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Northernblood8:
Yoruba people future president

I no go surprise at all.

Bobloco:
■ But he was by far a better leader when you compare him with the current notorious narcotics drug trafficker, certificate forger, buccaneering power grabber engaging in criminal state capture who has only succeeded in inflicting premium pains, hunger, and starvation on the citizens.

Why would it make sense to compare him to any of the current crop of criminals for Pete's sake?

Mrexcell:
All these atrocities uzodima has choosed to be committing against his own people I wonder where him and his generations intend to stay in imo after leaving office as governor?

Uzodinma did not show up at each polling boot to carry out these atrocities. He paid Imo state people to do it for him. Until Imolites stop hyperfocusing on Uzodinma, and instead go after the criminals among you who would take money from him to destroy your lives with, you will continue to be nothing but social media complainers. The same is true in every state in Nigeria. The criminal politicians use Nigerians against themselves.

jaephoenix:
■ Cherry-picking is a common vice for Christians. They pick out the goody stuffs in the OT like creation, 10 commandments, tithing etc, then ignore the baddies. If you ask why the ignore the baddies they tell you "Oh, its the OT, they contain the old order blah blah blah"

indeed!

Petalss:
■ I have come across varying interpretations of certain verses and statements in the Bible, which have led me to reflect on their meanings.
For instance, in one passage, it is clearly stated that Jesus was sent "only to the lost sheep of Israel." This seems quite straightforward, implying His mission was specifically directed to the people of Israel and not to other nations.
However, in another well-known verse, we read, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son." This seems to imply that the term "world" refers to everyone, encompassing all nations and peoples, not just Israel. This raises an important question: Should we interpret "the world" in this context as the entire world, or could it have a more specific or nuanced meaning?
Note: I’m not attempting to start a debate or argument, but I’m genuinely curious about understanding the meaning from your perspective. How do you reconcile these two verses?

I already responded to this earlier on this same thread.

The contextual meaning of a word is always more important when attempting to comprehend writing than any other idea one may have in one's head. The key to understanding the world that Jesus Christ spoke of in John 3 vs 16 is given by Him in John 3 vs 14.

↪ While in the desert, the God of Israel sent snakes to kill the Israelites for complaining. And then the God of Israel told Moses to lift a bronze snake proclaiming that those of the people of Israel— no mention of the foreigners who lived among them in the entire tale— bitten by the snakes(condemned to die) who would choose to look up at the bronze statue would be saved from death(condemnation of death), a sentence inflicted on them by the God of Israel Himself.

4 The Israelites left Mount Hor and traveled on the road that goes to the Red Sea. They did this to go around the country of Edom. But the people became impatient.
5 They began complaining against God and Moses. The people said, “Why did you bring us out of Egypt? We will die here in the desert! There is no bread and no water! And we hate this terrible food!”
6 So the Lord sent poisonous snakes among the people. The snakes bit the people, and many of the Israelites(not foreigners) died.
7 The people came to Moses and said, “We know that we sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray to the Lord. Ask him to take away these snakes.” So Moses prayed for them.
8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a bronze snake and put it on a pole. If anyone is bitten by a snake, that person should look at the bronze snake on the pole. Then that person will not die.”
9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it on a pole. Then when a snake bit anyone, that person looked at the bronze snake on the pole and lived. - Numbers 21 vs 4 - 9

Recall that at this point in the journey, the Nation of Israel had not been constituted so the text majorly regarded the descendants of Jacob — Israelites— separate from the foreigners among them. Moses lifted the bronze snake, and those who looked at it lived.

↪ Jesus Christ, in John 3 vs 14, is written to have said that in much the same way that Moses lifted the snake in the desert for the people of Israel He too would be raised as a beacon for those among them — the people of Israel — who wished to live after having been condemned to die by God of Israel - Deuteronomy 28.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14-16

Two things from all of this is
► God is responsible for condemning the Israelites to perish in the grave — lost. And He, God then also sent Jesus Christ to save the same people... Israel... after condemning them to die. Same as He did with the serpent back in the desert.
► The World that Jesus Christ was sent to is the same world that consists of those condemned of Israel aka the Lost sheep of Israel. Just as Jesus Christ made clear in Matthew 15 vs 21 - 28.

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When one completely disregards the contextual meaning of a word or term to apply in its place a meaning or definition removed from — foreign— the text itself, one is no longer attempting to comprehend the content of the text in question. Rather, it becomes an attempt to impose a meaning/understanding different from that contained within the text itself. This pretty much goes against every rule that guides human language comprehension.

This happens to be what those in religious sects including Christianity who brandish their many interpretations are ultimately guilty. Their various interpretations violate the very context and content of the texts they quote, texts all written by humans with human hands in human languages and ultimately broadcast for human consumption.

Petalss:
■ This is a teaching found in the Bible, yet it is important to note that there are various interpretations of its meaning...

Why these various interpretations? Where in the book is it stated that interpretations are allowed or to be considered to begin with? What particular author of what book in that entire compendium insists on the creation of these interpretations you speak of? Why must I debate these various interpretations rather than simply accept what is written in the book of Jesus Christ and this God of Israel? Of what value or meaning is any of that exercise?

Consider the following text.

Edet lives in Calabar. He is 8 years old. Every morning he goes to school. But in the afternoon, he stays at home. He likes to read. His mother buys him books from the bookstore.

What interpretations are necessary to simply comprehend the message being conveyed in the passage? How many of them? Why?

Emusan:
■ anytime you hear them saying Jesus must have lied, just know that they are the one actually saying Jesus lied. It's evident that you lied against Jesus as Jesus message is for THE WHOLE WORLD. So,are you of the blood of Jacob?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Keep telling yourself these things.

CyrusVI:
■ They dont directly rob or kill anyone Yes, they could be a link, but the emotional effects differs when its a direct attack on those people like the Bandits do Stop excusing one negative behaviour with another

So, all that money they embezzle, even money meant to go to feeding, security, and healthcare, is without consequence(direct or indirect) as far as the very lives of the people they steal from?

Emusan:
■ You lied against Jesus Christ because Jesus died for the WHOLE WORLD. Reason why He commanded His disciples to go and MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATION! Matt 28:19 Just answer the simple question, if your conscience isn't judging you already
You are lying against Jesus

I love the way you people like to think that using a translation of the text that suits your particular delusion means Jesus Christ must have lied when He said He was sent by His Father only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, a text equally found in the very same translation you use even here(NIV). 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

sweetrace:
He steals from people, and murders some and now thinks he has money. So he is doing giveaway with money that is not his. He should keep the money. People have been surviving and will still survive without it. His so-called give away will not give him a clean conscience or happiness.

That is pretty much the same thing your politicians do, isn't it?

Petalss:
■ Kobojunkie. I have been longing to ask you this question. Who is Jesus Christ and what is his relationship with God and to the world or the Israelites?

The details you seek are as written in the Book called the Bible or the Old Israelites texts. Jesus Christ is the Son of God — God's Constitutional Law in the Kingdom/Nation of God — and He was sent by God only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. These details are found in the book.

Emusan:
■Does my question sound that way? I only ask you, ARE YOU OF THE BLOOD OF JACOB? A simple yes or no question

You disregard Jesus Christ and His Truth, but you are mightily focused on the particulars of my bloodline as though it somehow colors the almost 2000-year-old facts of Jesus Christ. Of course, I want to understand how this detail of mine matters as far as the content of Scripture established almost 2000 years ago.

So, again, If I am not of the bloodline of Jacob, you mean I am not allowed to state the facts of Jesus Christ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Emusan:
■ Why are you avoiding that question Are you of the blood of Jacob?

Wait a second, so If I am not of the bloodline of Jacob, you mean I am not allowed to state the facts of Jesus Christ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Emusan:
■ Yes! But you can see clearly that God is after THE WORLD.Meanwhile, you have not answered my question and proved how Only Jacob's BLOOD will be saved. My question again, ARE YOU OF THE BLOOD OF JACOB?

Jesus Christ who reiterated that His Father, God, sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel is merely a joker to you? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Abeg, waka pass me with your brain-damage o'jare! I don talk am say you religious nut-jobs don't have any regard for the person of Jesus Christ and His Gospel. You are more interested in the many lies of your scammers-in-the-lords, the ones you all would instead die for. 🙄

Melonsmasher:
THERE WAS NO ELECTION IN IMO STATE
And that's a 1000% fact cus that is where I reside, there were no ballots, there were no voters, the people have squarely given up on looters

Una too dey like to do nothing but complain.

Emusan:
■ No! It's not fact, reason why you can't answer that simple question and support your point with the scripture.
"For God so LOVE the WORLD that He gave His one and only Son, WHOSOEVER believe in him will not perish but have everlasting life"
So, tell if you have Jacob blood running in you and where God said ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE JACOB'S BLOOD will be saved.

Jesus Christ, the one who made the statement found in the passage instead insists that in much the same way God gave the Bronze snake to the Israelites in the desert as a path to redemption, He too was being given to the Israelites who were condemned of His time so that they no longer be condemned.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert.[a] It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
[b]16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life. - John 3 vs 14 - 16

For Pete's sake, the entire conversation Jesus had in John 3 beginning from verses 1 - 21 was with Nicodemus, a Pharisee of Israel. Jesus Christ was not foolish when He pointed out that He was sent to the same people who were condemned by God in the desert.

Note: God did not condemn the foreigners living among the Israelites even in the desert.

AbuTwins:
■ As usual, you'll divert to what you want to me to hear! But that is not what i asked you!
I just need the translation of the verse below as the people who you trust wrote them originally!
What's your correct translation of 1 Samuel 13:1 and what do you see to its representation in the Vulgate, the Hebrew, the Septuagint and also the Chaldee? There's also an Hexeplar version!

@AbuTwins , The one desperate to divert here is your person. You created this thread suggesting that the particulars of Joseph's life were vital to the grand scheme of things. Then you went ahead to suggest that the story told by Joseph's descendants and people was of no use. Then you conjure up by absurd by suggesting that a story that came almost 1000 years after the original story by a total foreigner who never even encountered the people of Joseph — his descendants — is the more accurate version of Joseph's life. And you take offense when our jaws drop at the absurdity of the claim you continue to make?

2. About 1 Samuel 13: 1 and the life of Joseph, these are just stories of men; accuracy of account does not and should not matter at all. Why? Because they were not gods but men. I know this may be much for you to understand(it is a thing religious folks seem to struggle with in their many tussles to claim supremacy over other religions)but it really matters little whether Saul wore green underwear or Joseph had a rainbow-colored coat. What instead matters is the Word of the God of Israel. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Beremx:
@✓ My kid brother lives at Enugu and he says he enjoys 22hrs of electricity. I can't remember the area he lives though.

Heathrow Airport alone generates 5000MW of electricity for its use. Compare that to an entire country of 200,000,000 people using only about the same amount of electricity each day and you realize how very funny that claim really is. In Nigeria, people seem to believe everything runs on Juju.

lexxwiz:
■ Stand your grounds oh Men!!! Money has destroyed a lot of families..
I can relate to your story, I have a sister who is stinkingly rich. Na so dem Dey worship am for the whole kingdred. I love my sister don’t worry but she started letting it get to her head. She built a house in my hometown and inscribed her name on it (very big) lol. I mean, you didn’t have to embarrass the men like that. Mind you, she’s married and she didn’t do that in her own husbands village. I confronted her and that’s how the wahala started till this moment. I just kuku focus on my own hustle make e no come be like envy.
■My brother, just focus on yourself and work towards your own progress. Forget about honest opinions from your siblings, na money driven siblings you get. Find money my brother!!!

You are kidding, right? You confronted your own sister for building a house in her own papa's village and putting her name on it. If it had been a brother of yours who had built that very house and inscribed his name on it the same would you have confronted him as well? What gives you the right to decide what she can or cannot do, where she can build a house or cannot build a house, and how large she can inscribe her name on it or not inscribe her name on it? Go and fking apologize to your sister for that disgusting attitude of yours abeg!

She isn't the reason you have yet to build a house of your own like hers in the village; hating on her for doing it first will not help you either. Jeez!

2. From your story, you are the one who seems money-driven... money-driven to act like a jerk towards your own sister. Even if she is indeed being a jerk about having more money, that doesn't excuse the fact that you were also a jerk to her in this.

danvon:
✓ He was poisoned...
He was too powerful, coups could not work for him, poison was the best bet, it also helped that he was a muslim.

Lies!

Apcshyte:
Was he killed? Or did he die of natural sources

The rumor at the time was that he died atop of one of his concubines...he wasn't murdered. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 And all of Nigeria, from North to South, rejoiced on that day. 🥳🥳🥳🥳

AbuTwins:
■ Of cos it won't! What's your correct translation of 1 Samuel 13:1 and what do you see to its representation in the Vulgate, the Hebrew, the Septuagint and also the Chaldee? There's also an Hexeplar version! Abeg I dey go sleep! If

Correct Translation? You are attempting to convince us that the story of Joseph written by his own people and descendants should not be trusted. That rather, a story sold by a man who had absolutely no connection to the timeline or people of Israel and his descendants should instead be trusted. How did you get that to make sense to you? That is what I am more interested in realizing here. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mohammed's story comes many thousands of years later in a foreign land and to a foreign man almost 600 years after the nation of Israel formed by the Israelites— descendants of Joseph included— had been destroyed and the people scattered across the world. Yet, somehow you want us to believe that a foreigners story is the more accurate version of what happened to the man named Joseph...Seriously... more evidence is needed on how you came to this conclusion of yours. Abeg, explain this juju for us make we understand. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Petalss:
■ I mean the man in the video. Since a truck pusher who is a Chosen don become millionaire abi na billionaire. Using style to advertise the church, come and become a billionaire in our church. He even use E-money as an example.

Oh, that one? Millionaire in the same Nigeria that we know abi na another Nigeria? Their millionaires are poor men.

AbuTwins:
✓ Yes!
Till I conclude the post!

Your conclusion won't change this fact though. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Petalss:
Is this particular man a billionaire?
Na God of Chosen give Dangote money?

The man is probably now a billionaire after ripping off his 10's of thousands of followers out there.

AbuTwins:
■ Of course! The inconsistencies is just too much in the Bible!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Let me get this straight! So, because you consider the original dairy kept by the descendants of Joseph himself inaccurate, you conclude that the book written by a complete stranger, several thousand years disconnected from the event, should be the more accurate account. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

santaclaws:
■ He could have said it in a better way, not by quoting someone saying "your children". Why didn't he say his own children... Abeg, I no get time for yeye issues...

Stop being meaninglessly afraid of your shadow naw! Heat does in fact kill and children are known to be vulnerable, including old people.

Vaturava28:
Enjoy this new perspective about the story of God.

Which God? There are over 4000 different deities identified out there; Nigeria alone has over 40 different deities honored by the people. So be more specific abeg!

santaclaws:
■ That will not be the portion of my children and that of everyone else around me. . . Carry your negativity go elsewhere.

Heat kills people every year even in Nigera!

jmoore:
■ Nigeria should be adding additional 5,000 megawatts every year. Lack of power supply is one of the major causes of depression in Nigeria. I just took this picture from outside my balcony. Only 15% are currently enjoying stable power supply from the paltry 4,000 - 5,000 megawatts This means Nigeria needs around 30,000 - 35,000 megawatts for a reasonable power supply for the country.

Yet someone tried to convince me only some days ago that everyone in Enugu City enjoyed 23 hours of electricity.

Youareforgiven:
■ you keep repeating this lie hoping that it will stick right ✝ John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
■ Second, Christians do not worship one deity! Rather they worship numerous deities in the form of their many demoninations and/or gods-of-men. A typical Nigerian Christian, for instance, is more willing to die in the name of his/her pastor than in the name of the deity he pretends it all about. Christians worship one God, Jesus Christ the righteous. Not everyone that calls Jesus Christ belongs to Him.

Jesus Christ clearly defined the world to which He was sent in His teachings. In John 3 below, He narrowed it down to the same world that God caused Moses to lift the snake in the desert to — the world comprised of the condemned of Israel. (Yes, condemned by the God of Israel to die.)

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him.
18 People who believe in God’s Son are not judged guilty. But people who do not believe are already judged, because they have not believed in God’s only Son. - John 3 vs 14 - 18

Indeed, God loved the world which He cursed, the condemned of Israel.

2. Christians worship many gods and this is evidenced by the fact that every single denomination bows to a different interpretation of the very same set of verses indicating they each take their ideas, not from what is written but from the words out of the mouths of their many gods-of-men aka scammers-in-the-lords.

You, right here, are doing the same exact thing; you ignore what is in fact written in the book to assert instead the version of things that have been fed to you by your particular set of gods-of-men. Why else would a seemingly sane individual deny the fact of Jesus Christ which is that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel — the bloodline of Jacob — by His Father — YHWH — who swore that Israel is His only inheritance in the land of men?

AllLovingGod:
Abeg rest. It's not a must to comment on every thread on nairaland. It's constituting nuance already. Thank you. Cheers.

Again, Which God? I hope you don't mean the God of Israel who swore that HIs only inheritance in the world of men is those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their literal veins.

Your best bet is finding a god among the many Nigerian deities to cater to your needs rather than let people like OP continue to deceive and delude you into thinking some foreign deity is coming to save you and others in Nigeria. Look around at how the country has faired since the introduction of the ideas of these foreign deities to see for yourself that their major presence has been absent however the cruel lies and wickedness of Nigerians who claim to believe in them are everywhere to be seen.