₦airaland Forum

bixton:
■ The bolded is just what needed. As long as the design does not in any way specify federalism but rather made mention of a design and structure that looks like a federal system of government then it is not. We are good in lifting patterns but tailoring it in ways not done elsewhere.
■ There's no federal system all over the world that has 2 federal houses made of Senate and HoR.
■ There's no federal system all over the world that talks about 3 arms of government and 3 tiers of government.
■ So when people especially the politicians who think they know it and those who are given to wishful thinking come up and say we practice a federal system it's like they don't even know what they are system.
■ If it's not specifically stated in the book then it does not exist.

That's false! Rather, as long as the design and structure, in question, mirror the idea, it is considered to be of the idea.

2. The United States has just that.

3. Again, this is wrong! If you go back to Cornel University's definition of a Federal System you will find that what it says is that federalism is a system with control at 2 levels of Government.

Federalism is a system of government in which the same territory is controlled by two levels of government. Generally, an overarching national government is responsible for the broader governance of larger territorial areas, while the smaller subdivisions, states, and cities govern the issues of local concern.

Both the national government and the smaller political subdivisions have the power to make laws and both have a certain level of autonomy from each other.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/federalism

The United States also has 3 tiers of Government; we have the Federal, the State, and the Local Government or County Government, but control is found only at the National and State levels. I believe this is what is observed in the Nigerian case as well. The Constitution does not give LGs the right to create Laws or control any other aspects of life in Nigeria.

4. I hate to break it to you but Nigeria does in fact have the correct designs and structure for a federalist system. There is no question about that at all.

5. There is no requirement of the kind that you insist on there so I am not sure why you think insisting on this makes sense.

chidiokay:
■ I was @least expecting you to start by point out where i insinuated the law as new i don't need compliment, tell me a law that has no potency how e take beta one that was removed or flushed out whateva How can a law that has zero implementation or record of enforce be active .. are you menstruating
■ if you download a app and never open or use it will it appear on active app, my own phone sometimes advise me to delete such apps .. thats a smart phone you should be smarter
■ when i said drag governors to court, its not for prosecution stop being dumb, its for interpretation & enforcement, did tinubu not take FG (OBj) to court on local govt creation, have we not seen governors drag FG (Buhari) to court, or is it not FG that sue the 36 governors to court over lG autonomy criminal case kor
■ I won't even waste my time further, arguing the last paragraph with you,

1. See how person dey reason in 2024 ooo!

2. Yes, the app is in fact active on your phone until you manually deactivate or disable it!

3. Interpretation and enforcement of what exactly? Be clear on exactly why they approach the courts at least. Look again, at what the constitution says.

(1) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Constitution, but subject to subsection (2) of this section -
(a) no civil or criminal proceedings shall be instituted or continued against a person to whom this section applies during his period of office;
(b) a person to whom this section applies shall not be arrested or imprisoned during that period either in pursuance of the process of any court or otherwise; and
(c) no process of any court requiring or compelling the appearance of a person to whom this section applies, shall be applied for or issued:
More: https://jurist.ng/constitution/sec-308

4. Ogbeni, it is clear that you are not informed about the Law of your land. Please take time out to do that so you don't continue to argue like a fish-brain.

Abegi make una stop to dey post these nonsense stories!

chubinwa:
■ All this people coming out now to condemn the protest, why didn't they speak up against the hardship? This country belongs to all of us. In as much as I urge everyone to come out and protest against this devilish govt, let us do it peacefully devoid of any violence or destruction. Meanwhile, the Nigerian security agencies should tread with caution to avoid escalating the situation. #Godblessnigeria

Let me see!

● End subsidy scam and reverse fuel price to below N300 per litre
● Bring tertiary education fees back to their previous rates by reversing subsidies
● Restore electricity tariffs to affordable levels for the public
● Return import duties to their previous rates
● Publicly disclose and reduce the salaries and allowances of all senators, House of representatives members, and the speaker
● Establish an emergency fund to support SMEs
● Make INEC independent of executive branch with transparent processes for appointing its chairman
● Enact a law mandating INEC to electronically transmit live electoral results
● Reopen National borders
● Reform EFCC
● Declare a state of emergency on inflation
● Reform the Judiciary

Have you not realized at this point that those you have in government, and I am talking both at the National(NASS included), State, and probably the LG as well are all clueless and cannot do anything but seek more ways to loot from you? It has been over a year yet nothing tangible has come out of the Federal and even the State to back up all of the debt that has been incurred in that amount of time but the damage done is so evident even a baby sees it.

You expect the same set of clueless rogues to do for you what you have on your list there? They can't! So what are you all waiting for? The message should be total boot out of all elected leaders at this point, including the FG.

iramure:
satire

The same applies to Tinubu who equally did nothing as State Governor for 8 years.

chidiokay:

■ From offpoint to wrong analogy you could not even come up with an analogy that suite the discourse.
■ At these point highlight were i said its a new law , do you "reinstate" for something "new" abi o kor fe argue nii
■ Becos the law has no history of implementation or activation it is more or less "INACTIVE"
■ .subsequently Governors impunity override that law but the court has restored it ...
■ .any local govt chairman can drag his governor to court incase,
■ above all Funds will now be paid directly to local govts .. what never happened don pass no be big deal ... go n sit down jare

Offpoint here is you and the analogy was to help you better reason the foolishness of what is being done to you here as opposed to what you would rather pretend the case.

2. You are not as intelligent as you pretend, you know? You can only reinstate/restore a law that was removed or pushed out by way of legal manipulation. Section 162 of the Constitution has remained intact since 1999. The Supreme Court did not reinstate any law; rather it completely ignored the law and chose to instead assert a different idea.

3. The Law defined in Section 162 has been ACTIVE since 1999. A Constitutional law goes into effect the moment a country is established upon it. This happened back in 1999 as far as Nigeria as a democracy; the law never experiences a black-out of any sort so long as the nation continues to exist under the system established by that particular contract.

4. Impuntity DOES NOT override the Law(See Section 308 of your Constitution). Immunity does not absolve the President, Vice-President, Governors, or deputy Governors of any of the crimes committed during their time in office. Immunity as defined by the Constitution DOES NOT impede or do away with the people's power to have any of them removed from office and then prosecuted afterward.

5. Local Government Chairmen CANNOT drag Governors for criminal cases (See Section 308 of your Constitution).

6. The Federal government sending funds directly to LGs was illegal before this ruling(See Section 162 of your Constitution).

ezekuche:
even if an Igbo man sells long life with prosperity together with an automatic ticket to heaven, a Yoruba man will still not petronize him.. bunch of tribalistic bigots..

Stop with the racist nonsense!

Henryifi:
■ mad man!

Mad man honored as Governor? He is the governor after all.

ChrisblaOffurum:
Nigeria is a SHITHOLE Country. TINUBU nor OBI won't redeem it. take it or leave it. you all should Rest

What makes it even shittier is that even after being burned several times by the many political lies fed to them, the people continue to hope in many of the same political classes of poeple. This is a nation of zombies.

bixton:
■ Before you say PO is a better person and how has life treated Nigerians for the past 12 months. Remember, Nigeria is made up of 36 States and an FCT. Now truthfully say how was Anambra State when PO was governor and how was life there? How much wa PO paying as minimum wage during his administration as governor compared to Lagos and FCT? How much was the price of food stuffs? What's the IGR ?

I wish you lot had asked yourselves all of the very same questions before you installed Tinubu as president.

Obaranje:
I am not free from Anambra, but I don't think peter made Anambra people to buy one derica of beans 2000, rice 70,000 a bag fuel 750 800 and dollar 1500. And I don't think during his tenure in government manufacturing company where closing shops and no was planning suicide

You are very much correct that he didn't do any of the above. But he certainly did impede, illegally mind you, on the powers of the LG chairmen in his state during his tenure as governor. That contributed to limiting growth at the grassroots levels during his tenure as governor. Just imagine for a minute if the LGs had been able to freely carry out their various functions in the state at the time, the state might be a very different place than it is today.

YouAreNobody:
■ Anambra has one of the highest number of schools in the country. There's no need to build new ones while you can renovate the old ones and equip them with modern facilities and they'll rival any new building. I'm sure you know this. It's foolishness that makes governors start erecting new structures while old structures are doing the same functionality, just like my former governor, Rochas, did.
■ As for your second question, google is available for you to check stats. Or you're one of those leaders who don't know the value of statistics?

1. Having the highest number of schools means absolutely nothing if the level of education remains as poor as it is in other states in the country. But what you seem to be saying is that Obi renovated old schools and equipped them with modern facilities. What modern facilities are those?

2. Nothing on Google says what you claim, and yes, I have had this debate with someone before this. According to reports, it has the best school completion records among the states, sure, but the best educational system... that is a stretch.

bixton:
■ Please can you help me with the section of the constitution that talks about true federalism or you can also explain to me. Let me understand what is true about our type of practice.
Thanks.

Let's visit the meaning of Federalism. Please pay close attention to not just the definition of the term but also the example of current states that implement the system.

Federalism is a system of government in which the same territory is controlled by two levels of government. Generally, an overarching national government is responsible for broader governance of larger territorial areas, while the smaller subdivisions, states, and cities govern the issues of local concern.

Both the national government and the smaller political subdivisions have the power to make laws and both have a certain level of autonomy from each other.https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/federalism

The constitution, the legal contract/agreement upon which the federation of Nigeria is defined does not talk about federalism. What it instead does is describe the design and structure of the system.

YouAreNobody:
■ He invested in education, which is the bedrock of any progressive society
■ and that's the reason why Anambra still tops in education to this day. You won't know this because you're used to stomach infrastructure

1. Invested in education, how? By rebuilding old buildings? Are you for real?

2. Anambra is tops in education, how?

chidiokay:
■ The question is, was the constitution followed since 99, or was it enforced ... nobody dey follow you argue the law was long written or not, if not that you just want to argue for arguement sake
■ I said "reinstated" .. find a dictionary bro cos you are just arguing off point
■ besides is it even court/judge that will pass a new law should we think local govt autonomy is new sef

The way the average Nigerian reasons is most definitely at the root of all of the problems of Nigeria!

Suppose the Law says that a husband beating his wife and vice versa is a crime, but people continue to flout the law and policemen turn a blind eye when they see a man beating his wife even in a public place, does it mean that the law is the problem and needs to be changed? Does it mean that husbands or wives cannot be sued and prosecuted for any of the crimes they have committed during all of that time when the law was in place?

If nobody dey follows the law then why are you rejoicing here that the Supreme Court has twisted the law to create a new one which according to you nobody will also follow?

2. You can only reinstate/restore a law that was removed or pushed out by way of legal manipulation. Section 162 of the Constitution has remained intact since 1999. The Supreme Court did not reinstate any law; rather it completely ignored the law and chose to instead assert a different idea.

3. Courts do not pass new laws.

Tigernut101:
■ Tribalism has blinded their eyes

You mean Racism, right!

Ubanz:
This man doesn't know that he is the worst Governor in South East. And the least respected.

Really? So why is he still the governor?

Michaeltreasure:
■ I get it now. Only the Jews, the children of Israel are under divine control. The rest of mankind is on autopilot...

That is what is written in the book. All of the rest which is believed among those in religious circles were all concocted by their religious scammers to deceive and shackle their gullible followers.

chidiokay:
■ I said the court reinstated local govt autonomy" , so what was the arguement for the long lecture is relevant,
■ koko be local govt autonomy never existed now its modus operandi that good news for whoever claimed none happened under BAT

The courts never did what you claim since LG autonomy was never broken in the first place. Rather, what the courts did was to, against the Constitution, grant control over the LG to the FG in this.

2. Subsections 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of section 162 of the Constitution have been in existence since 1999. LG autonomy has always been a part of the Law in Nigeria. Stop yammering and pay attention to your own Constitution, please. Stop allowing your politicians to diddle with your head with their many arguments meant to keep you blind and deceived.

Michaeltreasure:
■ The bolder, Almost everyone who grew up in a typical Nigerian Christian home will know that.
■ Btw, since you believe in the God of Israel, do you not believe he's the God of Humanity? Or to you, he's restricted to only Israel?

Ok! So you believe it because the very same men who lied to you that the God of a Nation called Israel is concerned about even you, a Nigerian who has nothing to do with His Israel. Don't you see a problem here?

2. The God of Israel declared to His people, Israel, that Israel is HIs only inheritance in the land of men. The God of Israel gave His Law of Moses only to the descendants of Jacob; He gave His Law Jesus Christ only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. By His own words, He restricted Himself to the descendants of Jacob alone, His Israel.

He never said that He was concerned about all of Humanity, so why do you ignore that which He said while you believe that which He never said?

kabanayol9:
The person that is saying they will not join the protest, make dem ask am what he has done differently to ease his people at imo state?

The reason he get mouth is because una never impeach am and stone am. All una dey do na to complain from today until after them leave, nothing else. If una no do anything to remove and stone them, what do you expect them to think but to believe you accept them as your representatives?

rigid123:
Tinubu is the economic policy head of Nigeria, his actions and inaction led to where things are. The protest is centered around him and his cronies all over Nigeria that rigged him in including uzodinjo.

The protest is centered around him by whom? Who are your leaders who centered the protest around Tinubu? Why can't you center your protest around the removal and stoning of your local criminal elected officials instead?

Michaeltreasure:
■ You seem to be an atheist, seems you don't believe in the Divine...

But I am not an atheist at all since I believe in the God of Israel. So, answer my question. You believe in what you call "divine repercussions" but who fed you ideas of the existence of such?

chidiokay:
■ Wow ! you now know the law better than the court itself, so if its a violation of the constitution why is everyone accepting it as a welcome development, why is NBA, the activist and opposition silence
■ if it is bad for democracy shouldnt peter Obi criticize it, did Peter obi not shackle local govt una go just open mouth waa

1. Everyone is accepting it probably because like always the Nigerian people remain ignorant of their very Constitution and the many political manipulations of their political class.

See, I don't need to be a lawyer to know what the Constitution says or understand that it is being violated. I simply need to educate myself on what it says to know this. Before all of this the Constitution never granted Governors access to the Special account they were to maintain, and neither did the Constitution grant Governors control over LGs. The illegal control and dipping into LG accounts are criminal offenses and all implicated governors ought to be punished. However, this decision by the Supreme Court does three things
● It exonerates the Governors by insinuating the Constitution is to blame.
● It illegally grants the FG direct access to the LGs, shifting power over the LGs from the National and State House of Assembly into the hands of the FG. That power shift moves Nigeria well away from true federalism as currently defined in the Constitution
● Removes full control over election and removal of LG chairmen from the hands of the people at the local level to the FG. If the people have a problem with their LG chairman, they now have to tangle with FG if they wish to have him or her removed from office

The ruling benefitted the politicians. State governors cannot be impeached and prosecuted for what are crimes against the people. And the FG now garnered more control over issues at the grassroots level. The people get absolutely nothing but a lopsided government at the end of it all.

2. Peter Obi does not enjoy impunity in Nigeria so you are free to demand he be prosecuted for crimes committed during his tenure. So what exactly is stopping you from doing that?

NothingDoMe:
Good morning, Kobo.

Uzodimma and his political touts — everyone connected to him in the South East— need to be uprooted from office and influence in the East, and prosecuted.

rigid123:
We know when and what protest to avoid. Not this one. You people cannot continue to get away with the hardship inflicted on the people.

Uzodimma, all the incompetent senators and reps, along with LGs need to go. No protest will remove them. Only active engagement by the people at the grassroots level, in the running of their system from all ends will do it.

rigid123:
■ We will fully participate. I don't know when this Supreme Court governor became the mouthpiece of the East. I repeat, we will fully participate. Infact, Uzodinjo should worry because it will definitely touch him.

Before that please remove the self-installed mouthpiece of the South East and his cronies first before you go out to protest. Sack all your State senators/reps, and LG politicians beginning today.

chidiokay:
■ Court reinstatement of Local government autonomy is not a bad news i presume, abi Peter Obi no hear news

What the courts attempted was a violation of the Constitution and possibly an attempt at exonerating the criminal Governors who in fact illegally shackled the LGs for their purpose. So, put that issue to one side altogether.

Catchinedu:
i agree with him, here in the East, we no dey reason protest. Do we believe in this Government? hell no! are we going to protest? no! we just dey.

You don't believe in the eastern governors but you will not call for their impeachment at all?

Bestman360:
Does that invalidate his propositions and the ideas he is projecting now?

Politicians always seem to have good ideas, and they announce them as ways to distract from the many problems they too have helped create in the same system they pretend they are for. Obi helped entrench many of the problems that exist today in Anambra state. And until he goes back to answer for them, he should not expect to be treated any different from the other political problems of Nigeria.

Payperboii:
I heard it's 3 months after the actual divorce

Nonsense!

validplanet:
If the divorce takes eternity to happen, should she stay single for eternity?

Divorce does not take an eternity to happen! Also, once a person has filed for divorce in the courts the person is typically free to move on, only not able to remarry until the divorce is finalized.