₦airaland Forum

babajero:
■ Settle down and read what you posted, it just talked about the north not being able to compete.
■ Nigeria is in the condition it is today because of the uncatered and unproductive populations the north and west are churning out just to win election.
■ During regional government you don't see a region giving birth to populations like guinea pigs just to win elections just because they know they will get allocation from federation account. It is only regional government that will address every challenges Nigeria have e.g. unnecessary movement of terrorists from one region to another will be checkmated, food shortages will be checkmated etc.

So from that entire passage, na only the north you see mentioned? Kai!

2. What the heck is this? Nevermind! Abeg make I waka pass o'jare!

Moonland100:
What most of you don't know about this state creation is that immediately Anioma or Etiti state comes to life, I trust other regions, especially the north, will create more for themselves. Let me explain better, you said you want to add one to the southeast, to make it 6, then the northeast adds one to make 7, the southwest adds one to make 7, and then you come again to add one to make 7... I am telling you within 10 years, Nigeria will reach 72 states.

I believe the aim is for 50 States like America, but I guarantee you that after that, only those in Lagos and maybe in Abuja would be able to raise their heads to say life dey oK.

babajero:
Mr man you just wrote rubbish. During regional government there was competitions amongst regions thereby bringing massive development and enlightenment.
The north that agitated and took us to federalism though they are still covertly practicing feudalism, didn't want anything to do with development, that was why they brought about quota system in the first place, because they couldn't compete.
It was during regional government that we had many indindigenous companies and some foreign companies, where are they today?
And mind you Gowon was just a fulani puppet that they used to capture Nigeria.

Massive development and enlightenment? Are you for real?

After a brief honeymoon period, Nigeria’s long-standing regional stresses, caused by ethnic competitiveness, educational inequality, and economic imbalance, again came to the fore in the controversial census of 1962–63. In an attempt to stave off ethnic conflict, the Mid-West region was created in August 1963 by dividing the Western region. Despite this division, the country still was segmented into three large geographic regions, each of which was essentially controlled by an ethnic group: the west by the Yoruba, the east by the Igbo, and the north by the Hausa-Fulani. Conflicts were endemic, as regional leaders protected their privileges; the south complained of northern domination, and the north feared that the southern elite was bent on capturing power. In the west the government had fallen apart in 1962, and a boycott of the federal election of December 1964 brought the country to the brink of breakdown. The point of no return was reached in January 1966, when, after the collapse of order in the west following the fraudulent election of October 1965, a group of army officers attempted to overthrow the federal government, and Prime Minister Balewa and two of the regional premiers were murdered. A military administration was set up under Maj. Gen. Johnson Aguiyi-Ironsi, but his plan to abolish the regions and impose a unitary government met with anti-Igbo riots in the north. The military intervention worsened the political situation, as the army itself split along ethnic lines, its officers clashed over power, and the instigators and leaders of the January coup were accused of favouring Igbo domination. In July 1966 northern officers staged a countercoup, Aguiyi-Ironsi was assassinated, and Lieut. Col. (later Gen.) Yakubu Gowon came to power. The crisis was compounded by intercommunal clashes in the north and threats of secession in the south.

Stop lying to yourselves !

https://www.britannica.com/place/Nigeria/Independent-Nigeria#ref517364

EDOLUWA:
■ Nigeria can never be great until we go back to smaller units by means of REGIONAL GOVERNMENT. Let each region solve their own problem by themselves. There will be good competition among the regions. If we stay under this Federalism then hunger will continue to bite harder until Jesus come back.

Stop telling yourselves these lies!

nairalanda1:
I always laugh when I hear regional government. Is it not the same regions where the big tribes were oppressing small tribes? The same regions where poverty and lack of development hit you well once you left the cities?
Plus none of the regions if we bring them back would be viable. In the 1960s yes,when the UK was buying most of what we produced. Not today when everyone is producing what we produced, even oil self.
Regions are for people who believe the myth that Nigeria was rolling in milk and honey when they existed. Lol. Corruption and poverty were.there live. And I have mentioned oppression. A lot of people don't realize that the reason why Gowon created states was as a means of saying f u to the big tribes. Not just to stifle Biafra.
Nigerians should stop looking for someone to share national cake and face reality

No mind Nigerians! They are always trying to rewrite history to suit their current delusion!

Paraman:
In Lagos I live, they still try their best. In some other states, Governors just give them small change out of what they are entitled to

Those Governors are thieves because Governors are not empowered to rule over the LG by the Constitution. Call for impeachment and prosecution of your thieving governors.

GeneralPula:
■ Fight to keep wetin? You wan fight Military? Military rule isn’t a civilian style that you can just go on the road to start a protest or something - nah straight shoot on sight! It was Ironsi that abolished our Regional system. Those that tried to talk were killed or sent to jail.. Nigeria under regionalism did well more than this federalism..

Let's all stop trying to rewrite our own history abeg!

https://www.britannica.com/place/Nigeria/Independent-Nigeria#ref517364

Dshocker:
■ Which corruption and criminality? Oga go back to history, and study how the Nigerian state was faring, under regional government. Then compare it to the democracy of today, where every state is lazy and depends on the federal government to run their state.

Stop trying to rewrite history abeg! Corruption and criminality did not magically appear from nowhere at some point in time. Get real!

What you see in your democracy today is the result of having a country where the people rarely engage in their government. Democracy is meant to be a government of the people by the people. However, Nigerians adopted a backseat approach to their own democracy, and what you see is just the result of that. Simple!

Kingray10:
■ The local govt don't work all they do is steal and blame state govt. We hardly see local govt patch street talk more of using tilling road.

So long as the Nigerian people refuse to engage their own government, nothing will ever work. You find a local government where the electorates place themselves as watchmen over affairs at that level and you will find a local government that works better than any other. But where in Nigeria do you find that?

Dshocker:
■ So after he explained perfectly well, why the SouthEast/Nigeria does not need additional state, you are still talking of balancing. Didn't you read his write up? As far as i am concerned, regional system of government is what we need at this critical time, let every region go and manage their resources.

Regional Government my arse! Nigerians once had that but do you know why they did not fight to retain it when push came to shove? Because it did not benefit them then as the narrative would have you believe today, and, the same problems of corruption and criminality plagued the system even then. So, why in the world do you think going back to that which the people never even bothered to fight to keep makes sense?

EmeeNaka:
Agbakoba is not wrong altogether, but he failed to understand that we can't put our eggs in one basket. We have to request for more states for sake of balancing. However, if Nigeria decides to restructure, then there we are.

You are very wrong! State creation does not better the lot of the people. The last state exercise happened almost 30 years ago. Did you know that almost 99% of all the states created, as well as those they were created from, are today among the poorest of states in the nation?

Nigerians need to call for states to be merged back to their original positions before the 1996-97 creation of the most recent states. And then go from there to figure out a better way forward.

Paraman:
Creating more local government area is far better than creating new states

A lot of the current states need to be scrapped before all of that. It has been almost 30 years since the last state creation exercise. Many of those new states as well as the original ones were carved out are nothing to write home about.

Reloadedisraelp:
Even so he invested the money in Nigeria .thereby providing thousands of job for the people..... So stop crying...

Peter Obi is guilty of violating the Constitution, the very agreement upon which Nigeria was founded, during his time as governor. He should be investigated and, if found guilty of that and any other crimes against the people, appropriately punished. Any other story you are telling yourself is part and parcel of your private delusion.

manmade:
anyone can stay on the Internet and be forming super star as you're doing now . People like you are called internet wailers

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manmade:
a young man like you.

...I am glad we now have the Kenyan children to serve as an indictment against the many unreasonable delusions borne by Nigerians about how the world specially works in Africa works. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

manmade:
lead others will follow.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Who lead the Kenyan children? 🤣🤣🤣

Anyipro:
■ Those of you saying Obi invested Anambra money in his private company should petition the EFCC. The man exited power since10yrs ago but there has not been any evidence to nail him. Go and verify

It does not matter whether he invested money into private companies at this point since the evidence is solid that he tampered functioning and access to LG funds for the LGs when he was governor, he is guilty of subverting the Constitution and should go answer for that. Obi should volunteer to be investigated for undermining the Constitution and if found guilty of dipping into LG accounts, accept the punishment for that. Serving as an elected leader is not the only way to help the Nigerian people. Obi can use himself as an example of what the Nigerian people need right now on how to deal with criminality, past and present.

BERNIMOORE:
Constitution are meant for courts to interpret and the supreme court has ruled over the matter Now Voiding that part of constitution because it has being violated severally by the Governor.....unfortunately it can't be appealed...

If in fact the Supreme Court gave power to the FG to directly interact with the LGs, it means your Supreme Court altogether ignored your Constitution rather than attempt an interpretation. FG interacting directly with all 774 LGs I the countries renders subsections 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of section 162 of your Constitution a joke!

The very contract upon which Nigeria was established as a nation is your Constitution and these criminals have to thrive on subverting every inch of it that gets in the way of their agendas and goals. That is what your criminals in power have been doing for the past 25 years; and yes, they use even the Supreme Court and the gullible Nigerian people to accomplish this too.

manmade:
■ write ✍️ a petition to the EFCC and list out the names of the people that you knew have
embezzled state fund and stacked it in USA then carryy a placard to the state house the following day to mount pressure on them to seized and release those funds to Nigeria govt. You think Nigerian social economic problems can be solved on the Internet by the online warriors like you? I was born and breed in Nigeria and I understand the country like the back of my Palm.

Write a petition? Are you joking? This is your understanding of things yet you have been arguing blindly and vehemently all of this while? Please stop and look at what the Kenyan children!

manmade:
■ There are two things involved here , it's either you're pretending not to understand Nigerian political terrain or you are actually far from the reality, if you shout from now till next year on the need for people to vote for their conscience, many people will still come out to collect money and sell their votes , a lot of things are involved on why it's happening like that, that's a story for another day,now back to the topic, it's undisputable that you can't remove or impeached a sitting governor in Nigeria without the assistance of federal government, Ayo Fayose was successful impeached during his first tenure in ekiti state because he was disrespectful to OBJ , ngige was kidnapped as a sitting governor by his God father and forced to tender resignation letter until the public outcry made them to restate him , where were you when all this thing were happening? What was your contribution to stop it ? So that we would understand that you're not one of the " bunch of people sitting back"[b][/b], you may say , that was a long time ago, where were you and your the likes when governor SIM fubara of river state demolished the house of assembly complex and pursued the legislatures out to fore install the plan to impeach him? , You may also make an excuse that you're not from River State and it doesn't really concern you. Let's give you an assignment: it's a well known fact that none of the 109 senators is performing to expectations in their various constituency, so open a register to collect the signatures of the 50% voters registered in your constituency and initiates the process of recalling your senator from national assembly, put the advert online and other media. I want to check how patriotic you are .

Stop rambling abeg!

Peter Obi, if you really wish for the people to believe you stand for truth and democracy, then turn yourself into the authorities and answer for why you illegally denied anambra LGs access to funds for the most part of your time as Governor of the state. Lead by example abeg! Nigerians need right now a spark and Mr Obi, you can be that spark for them .these criminals in office have embedded their figures for way too long. With you leading the way, your followers might finally get the confidence they need to do the right thing as electorates which is to call for immediate impeachment and prosecution of all guilty officials beginning with current governors followed by senators and representatives, etc.

shereef19:
∆ Critical thinking But u r yet to give the Evidence Strength And deduction

Huh? Evidence of what?

alansary0064:
how comes Kano made up the list? because its currently running caretaker chairmen

Imagine the Federal now doing exactly what the State Governors were guilty of, wielding power not granted it by the Constitution. Na wa oo!

manmade:
■ you're talking as if you don't understand Nigeria politics, impeachment of governor is not a child play and can't succeed unless with the full support of the president, take for example what is happening in river state, the best way to maintain clear separation of powers is to allow each unit of the federal system to manage it's purse, why I be elected as a chairman by my local government people, only for someone to be telling me that I can't manage my funds , if the people that elected me believed in me then I don't need the validation of any governor to operate or guide how I expend my funds.

1. Oh WOW!! So, because it is not child's play, Nigerians shouldn't even attempt it at all? Who told you need to president's support to impeach a governor? Are you kidding me? Do you people even listen to yourselves? Why do you people think like this?

This conversation is the reason why I remain convinced that the Nigerian people are not ready for change at all. They sit back and make excuses for illegalities perpetrated against them yet they dare to complain about the treatment they get from their government. It is like watching a bunch of confused elements rant on about how not much is to be expected of them even while insisting thy are important. Make up your minds abeg! Either do something to change your situation or forever hold your peace on these issues.

manmade:
■ I believed you're not in support of the governors having access to too much money at their disposal to the extent of embezzling billions of dollars every now and then, then what other way to curb this excess if not by removing the yam from the shed of the goats,
■ the constitution stated that we are practicing federal system of government, check how it's been practice in USA and other federal systems all over, no where in the world have the governor taking money on behalf of the local government or municipal government,
■ the only people that may find this new development unpleasant are the governors and those benefiting from the free loots , I have a feelings that you're one of the caretaker committee that's about to loose his position of free money 💰 or you're indirectly benefiting from the status quo

1. First of all the goat-yam analogy is a very stewpid one in this case. Embezzlement is a criminal offense. So, says the Constitution. All those who commit crimes are to be stripped of their office, and prosecuted like the criminals they are. This is simple. So, I don't understand why I need to repeat it over and over again.

2. The same thing happens here in the United States. Embezzlement happens here from time to time. We don't rush to change the laws when it does. NO, we simply do the common sense thing every time, without fail. Any government official caught embezzling public funds is stripped of his office and prosecuted for all crimes committed. So, I am not certain why this idea is just hard for you to grasp.

3. Stop lying, at least to yourselves! You know they embezzled funds yet all you did was take one of the yams away from them and call it a day? And worse, you do this by completely ignoring the very Constitution of the land. Are you for real? What about all the funds they have already embezzled? What about the State funds, loans, etc., they will continue to embezzle? Why do you folks think like this?

manmade:
■ Good ! You're now coming back to the main problem on ground, right from 1999 when this constitution was handed to us by the military, the local government chairmen have always been at the mercies of their governor, they don't have free hand to operate, check the news on goggle,
■ you will see a few of local government chairman that tried to rebel against their governorsbecause of this reason and their administration will be dissolved by executive order or by the pronouncement of the house of assembly, that's why you hardly find reputable people or politicians contesting for either councillorship or as LG chairmen but with this new development you will begin to notice grassroots developmental projects here and there.

That is not true at all since not all Governors ILLEGALLY took control of their LGs in 1999. The Constitution, since 1999, has always maintained a separation between the Governors and the LGs, the same as it exists today. There was no reason why the people should have allowed such illegality to continue. The Constitution allows for the impeachment of Governors.

2. Why in the world would an LG chairman need to rebel against the Governor when the Constitution makes clear that there is a separation of concerns at the 3 layers? An LG Chairman ought instead to take his complaint to the electorates who have the power to contain their House of Assembly to investigate and remove the offending Governor from office.

Again, one illegality does not resolve another illegality is what I keep saying here.

Did you know that since 1999, there have only been about 6 attempts made to impeach criminal Governors and most of the attempts were not initiated by the electorates but rather by opposition politicians?

manmade:
■ I have a feelings that you are not oblivion of the fact that the decision of the supreme court is final in a case like this ...,
■ The constitution has been interpreted and that's the final , the law look at the intent of legislation whenever there's ambiguity like the instant case and they have given it clear interpretations , I don't think I mentioned it anywhere that the supreme court is the law of the land , but court makes new law by the interpretation of the intent of legislators to meet the demands of the present situations,
■ that's why it's commonly said that law is not statics, it grows everyday as the situation demands.

Indeed it is final but that given it is against the Constitution — basically ignore the very document the Supreme Court was set up to uphold at all cost — it should cause every Nigerian out there to do think. If the Supreme court of the land has no respect for the contract upon which Nigeria itself is defined, then what confidence should the Nigerian people have in its courts?

2. Again, the Constitution was ignored since it contains no ambiguity in this particular instance; it was not interpreted. The decision made by the Supreme Court was rather a political one, not a constitutional one.

3. The Law may not be static, however, that is by no means a reason to completely ignore it.

Again, every time your government circumvented the Constitution— attempted to resolve an illegality by way of another illegality— it has always ended worse for the Nigerian people. And your government has been digging many such holes, back to back, for the last 25 years of this democracy. The ones who have almost always come out at the top every time though are the many criminals in government. I am talking about those who committed the initial illegalities and those who attempted to use illegal means to resolve problems — or at least claimed that was their intention. It never works out for the Nigerian people, and it is no different this time either.

manmade:
■ local government chairman is closer to the locals than the governor, they don't have any excuse not to perform now, they also don't have immunity like the governor so if they deal anyhow with people's fund ,they go see anyhow ,not

You know that not all State Governors are guilt of pillaging State accounts. However, you will scarcely find any LG Council that has responsibly carried out even 1/3rd of its Fourth Schedule Functions in the past 25 years. How many times have you heard of the people in the Local Government sacking and prosecuting any of their LG Chairmans for embezzlement?

manmade:
■ seemed you don't understand what the law means, the recent supreme court decisions on the LG autonomy is the law until same is either reverse or review by the same court,
■ the Court has interpreted the relevant sections of the constitution to mean direct payment to LGs and that no election no fund to the LGs

Wrong! The Supreme Court is not the Law of the land. Rather the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land and it does not grant the FG direct access to the Local Governments. The Supreme Law of the Land maintains a direct separation of concerns between the FG, State, and LG by way of what is currently defined. None of the 3 branches directly interact at all. Rather, funds are deposited into an account which is then distributed by the National and State Houses of Assembly

It is wrong to insist that the court interpret the Constitution. Rather, in an attempt to resolve an issue of illegality, the Supreme Court chose to put forth ideas that directly contravene the Supreme Law of the Land. Essentially, the Supreme Court, by giving the FG this go-ahead (supposedly) completely ignored the contents of subsections 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of section 162 of the Nigerian Constitution. How much more against the Constitution can that get?

Every time your government circumvented the Constitution— attempted to resolve an illegality by way of another illegality— it has always ended worse for the Nigerian people. And your government has been digging many such holes, back to back, for the last 25 years of this democracy. The ones who have almost always come out at the top every time though are the many criminals in government. I am talking about those who committed the initial illegalities and those who attempted to use illegal means to resolve problems — or at least claimed that was their intention. It never works out for the Nigerian people, and it is no different this time either.

manmade:
well, that' from moral angle but there is different between morality and law , the law is that no election no fund .

That is not the Law. That is instead the illegal —unconstitutional — idea your FG has come up with to take control of the LGs for itself.

manmade:
if they do ,they would be accountable to their people and EFCC, thank God, they don't have immunity from being prosecuted, this arrangement is better than having a governor dealing with the local government fund as if he likes.

The Governors that have been stealing from both LG accounts and state accounts are not accountable to the people? Really?

The people can easily call on their senators and reps in the State Assembly to have their Governors impeached and prosecuted but they have mostly refused to do so to date. So, what makes you think the same people would do that in the case of the LGs? It is like Nigerians prefer to piss down their own backs on behalf of their criminal politicians or something.

Pacesetter123:
■ You are getting it wrong. The LG autonomy was there long before the advent of the joint account something. Ask yourself,how the states function when there was LG autonomy in the past. Or were states not functioning as at then?
■ For your information,the constitution has already spelled out the functions of the states.The FG,SG and the LG have their different functions in the constitution. Take for instance in the area of health, the LG is responsible for primary healthcare,the state responsible for secondary healthcare while the FG is responsible for tertiary healthcare facilities. In terms of road construction/maintenance,there are what we called trunk A,B and C roads in this country.Trunk A is for federal,B is for state while C is for LG. The list of functions go on and on. So I don't understand what exactly you mean by giving functions to the state as if they didn't have any function all along apart from controlling L.G funds.
■ And what has state police got to do with supreme court granting financial autonomy to the L.G?

1. Whenever did the LGs have any autonomy different from the autonomy currently spelled out in Section 162 of the Constitution?

2. States NEVER had legal control over LG funds to begin with. The States have never had LEGAL control over the LGs or the LG Funds since the 1999 Constitution. The only offices prescribed this power of the LG funds in the Constitution are the National and State Houses of Assembly. These acts by state Governors in controlling LG funds were all done ILLEGALLY. These are cases that clearly violate the Constitution which is at least clear in suggesting impeachment and prosecution. Sadly, no one is calling for this because the Nigerian people have been blinded by a narrative that instead has them calling, en-masse by the way, for more illegal actions from their same government. The average Nigerian out there now reasons, not critically, but according to the script fed them by the same politicians who do not have their interest at heart.

3. State police ke! With the way Nigerians refuse to call out Governors even when their criminal acts against the people are known, do you think it makes sense to hand them State police too? Are you people for real?