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MindHacker9009:
■ But God in the OT condemned astrologers and stargazers.

Yes, God rebuked those who would go to them for advice or counsel. Did Jesus Christ— as a baby— approach the Magis, stargazers, or even sorcerers for advice in this case or something?

AntiChristian:
You are talking about the new testament the period when Aunty Grace was born! Na Grace Christians dey share! The astrologer didn't promote Jesus before so it was bad! The end justifies the means!

Nonsense!

Jesus Christ lived His life in submission to the Old Law of Moses — the Will of YHWH; grace has nothing to do with this. Now, read below what the Law of Moses — the Will of God — in fact says.

30 “You must not work on my special days of rest. You must honor my holy place. I am the Lord.
31 “Do not go to mediums or wizards for advice—they will only make you unclean. I am the Lord your God.
32 “Show honor to old people. Stand up when they come into the room. And show respect to your leaders.[d] I am the Lord. - Leviticus 19 vs 30 - 32

From the accounts in the Gospel we know that Jesus Christ did not go to the Magi seeking advice or counsel — they came instead to Him and worshipped Him. So what aspect of What the Law says do you condemn Him of sin by?

jaeyking:
Did the astrologers meet him with their own knowledge or through divine knowledge

That is like asking if the witch of Endor was able to conjure Samuel's spirit using her knowledge of divination or not. Of course, she did use magic/enchantment/sorcery/astrology, a craft which is frowned upon in the nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan where the Law clearly warns the people of Israel to stay away from consulting or seeking advice from those who work such arts.

30 “You must not work on my special days of rest. You must honor my holy place. I am the Lord.
31 “Do not go to mediums or wizards for advice—they will only make you unclean. I am the Lord your God.
32 “Show honor to old people. Stand up when they come into the room. And show respect to your leaders.[d] I am the Lord. - Leviticus 19 vs 30 - 32

LordIsaac:
■ You don’t. I still repeat, I hope you get the chance to apologize.
■ Don’t quote me again.

1. Apologise for proclaiming what Jesus Christ said of these men, including Kumuyi, which is that they are all thieves who come to steal, kill, and destroy His flock while using His name. Jesus Christ was emphatic when He said they were all false teachers and false prophets. So, why should I apologize for restating this?

2. All you need do is log off Nairaland, deactivate your account, and your wish is granted.

LordIsaac:
■ You don’t know him. When you do, I pray you’d have the opportunity to apologize!

Oh, I know the man more than you do actually, and I can tell you for a fact that the man is no different from the many other scammers who call themselves men of gods abi na gods of men.

Jemex003:
■ Maybe your own deeper life not Pastor Kimuyi deeper life church

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adeoyekay:
I don't know where you see your own Deeper Life oh
Deeper Life celebrate birthdays, this is not the first time of Baba celebrating birthday

Deeper Life doctrinal issues go way back oo!
Kumuyi breaks silence on youths obstructing service to celebrate his 80th birthday

Pastor Williams Folorunso Kumuyi, General Superintendent of Deeper Life Bible Church said in 2013 at its December retreat: “We don’t celebrate Christmas. It actually came from idolatrous background. That is why you don’t hear us sing what they call Christmas carol. Never! When you find anybody coming in, or any leader, trying to introduce the idolatry of mystery Babylon, that they call Christmas and you want to bring all the Christmas carol saying that is the day that Jesus was born, and you don’t find that in the Acts of the Apostles or in the early church, then you don’t find that in my church either. If you don’t know that before, now you know. We are not trying to make the church turn like the world. We want it to be like Jesus Christ, and more like the Apostles. If you don’t have that mind with us, then you have permission to go to other places.”

https://blueprint.ng/see-why-5-nigerian-churches-dont-celebrate-25th-december-christmas/

oyeb15:
Christianity is a scam. Those G.Os cannot try half of what they do here in Nigeria in Uk. They will land in jail. After many years, their prayers changed nothing.

The brainwashing is real abeg! See, as Nigerians still dey mumu to this day, after over 40 years of religious trance over the nation.

AntiChristian:
What does begotten mean? By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his Begotten/one and only son (Hebrew 11:17).
God impregnated someone like Abraham did Sarah above! That's the use of begotten! My God is far from all these yama yama! Why does God need a son to help him in his dominion? Is He not capable of doing all things by Himself?

This here seems to be the major impediment to your ability to understand these things. You seem to impose the same limitations your Allah has on other deities and therein lies the major problem. If the only way you can imagine Allah maybe having a son is if he physically impregnated a human woman, that is all good? Your Allah may have that limitation to his person but the God of Israel — YHWH— doesn't. Scripture has it that the Son of God of Israel — Jesus Christ — was there with the God of Israel — YHWH — from before the beginning, before humans were created. This means Jesus Christ was not had by the God of Israel — YHWH — by way of human reproduction as you imagine. So, clearly, the word "begotten" does not deal only with human reproduction scenarios.

Note that the verse, John 3 vs 16, does not say, The only begotten Son of Mary(the human)," but instead refers to the only begotten Son of God of Israel— YHWH. His Son is an eternal being who was born from the God of Israel even before humans were made.

AntiChristian:
■ Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!
Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).
Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!
But then Paul happened!

Interesting claim by your person really!

● A major requirement for salvation in Jesus Christ is complete trust in the person of Jesus Christ as well as belief in Him, His teachings, and commandments. In John 14 vs 1, Jesus said, “Don’t be troubled. Trust in God, and trust in me. In John 5 vs 24, He said, “I assure you, anyone who hears what I say and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life(born-again). They will not be judged guilty. They have already left death and have entered into life(born-again)."
● The same Jesus Christ prophesied of his death in Matthew 12 vs 40, Mark 8:31-33, Mark 9 vs 30-32, Mark 10 vs 32-34, Matthew 17 vs 22–23 & Luke 9 vs 43–45 & John 10 vs 7-18 & Luke 18 vs 31-34 & Luke 9 vs 21-22.

Surely, anyone who claims to trust and believe in Jesus Christ ought also to believe everything Jesus Christ said regarding His death and resurrection. Anyone who trusts in God and Jesus Christ ought also to trust that everything Jesus Christ said of His death and resurrection is nothing but the Truth of God. Or do you not see this at all?

Now, of course, being born-again does not mean the same as being saved from one's sins which I suspect is what you are instead driving at.

P.S. This response isn't meant as a form of support for the Niceans and their creeds. My response is merely to present facts as stated in Scripture in response to your questions.

AntiChristian:
■ But then Paul happened![/b] Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”
Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.
■ Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?
Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

1. Paul did not misquote Deuteronomy 30 vs 14 as the image below shows.

2. Neither did Paul misquote Isaiah 28 vs 16. He quoted the same verse from the Septuagint instead.

Saviourk:
Hbd papa Kumuyi. More grace and anointing 🙏

Grace and anointing from whom? All your gods of men anoint and appoint themselves. That is why Nigeria no fit shake off the stench the leave behind them as they go by.

Gbogbowa:
he that you believe it or not we don't celebrate birthday and the day pst Kumuyi officially celebrate birthday I walkout of the church complete

You didn't walk out when the man changed his mind regarding TV, internet, women's clothing, hair and so many other things. Na when him change his mind about birthday, you go waka....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. You have indeed spoken well like one under his spell of indoctrination. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

JohnnA1:
Whatever you say man, no problem, no arguments 🙏🏾

I am simply against the many lies that religion hides from their indoctrinated crowd.
https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

Emma09:
Happy 83rd birthday to you Sir. The church that thought me the Bible which makes me still know the Bible till today. Though, I don comot for the church tey tey, Maximum respect to the Church for preaching holiness within and without. My leaving the Church was personal and nothing more.

You mean the church that indoctrinated you in lies no different from the JW cult?

Send your regards up to UK where your Baba relocated to all while calling on his followers to remain in Nigeria. https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

LordIsaac:
Highly disciplined indeed! I like him.

Highly disciplined in indoctrinating his masses. They are among some of the most wicked in that country Nigeria. But then Baba don japa since so no point since he does not have to deal with them all of the time like most Nigerians have to.

https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

Chikel20000:
D only one man I so love....he has no time for nonsense and if u like, drag him from now till eternity, he won't even talk back...so disciplined and courageous

He has no time for nonsense but his nonsense dey as enormous as the nonsense of all the other mens of gods out there. The man has defined and redefined sin so many times that many of his followers are left confused. You see a deeper lifer in NY and one who lives in Nigeria and you wonder if there are different rules for different countries at thispoint in time.

https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

AcadaWriter:
Happy birthday to Baba Kumuyi.

Forward the message to the UK where the man said he now resides abeg.

https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

Appletek:
You are saying nonsense and you're even using bad English.

He said nothing but truth. Denial of the facts won't make them disappear, you know.

https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

Gbogbowa:
you are a liar we deeper life dont celebrate birthday because jesus and all the Apostle did not celebrate birthday though some are compromising today

Some are compromising? LOL.... Your oga Kumuyi himself is where the compromising began! The man changes his mind regarding the definition of sin just as much as anyone else out there. Recently, he was recorded advising his sheeple not to be moved by the Japa wave. But this man forgot to mention he and his family don already japa oo...
https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

alwayzonlyn:
The Defender of Faith!!! Happy Birthday Sir!!!

Defender of a faith that keeps people morose generation after generation, abi? Any wonder why there are so many religious folks in Nigeria yet that place is closer to hell on earth than most other places? Even Kumuyi himself don Japa, but he continues to tell his indoctrinated masses to stay back in Nigeria.

https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

OLAADEGBU:
Tinubu greets Pastor Kumuyi at 83
NEWS AGENCY OF NIGERIA
June 5, 2024 6:57 PM
The president prayed for many more years in good health for the Lord’s servant and his family.

He prayed for more years while the man himself ensured he had a medical team around to ensure his heart ticks on and his fluid system continued to run healthy. Shey he Japa'ed to the UK, all while he continues to tell his followers to stay the course back in Nigeria? https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

Felabrity:
Pastor Kumuyi and Pastor Adeboye sharing the same age and both from the same state Wild. Happy birthday

Both of them sharing in the mission of scamming Nigerians while they live in a universe entirely different from that their followers occupy! Kumuyi continues to tell his followers to stay the course while he and his family don japa.

https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

BlowYourMind:
Happy birthday to the man of God that always stands for truth, righteousness, and holiness

Stand on truth that leaves his followers mindless bots, indoctrinated from generation to generation? Come on now! Surely, you are aware that what is present in Nigeria is far from God. Even Kumuyi knows this and that is why him too don Japa. https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

BlowYourMind:
Kumuyi is still Kumuyi. He never said it was a sin for someone to celebrate people on their birthday. All he preached against is extravagance that leads to temptation and sin

He said it is a sin to watch TV but changed His mind. He said it was sin for women to do their hair with attachment but changed his mind. He said it was not right for his people to japa but he forgot to mention that he already japa'ed before many of them. https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

Rexymania:
When Kumuyi na Kumuyi, he will tell you that it's a sin for someone to celebrate you on your birthday He calls it revaling

Even Japa was a sin when Kumuyi was Kumuyi. But now even Kumuyi don Japa but him still dey tell him sheeple to remain in Nigeria https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

JohnnA1:
Happy birthday Papa. More strong years ahead IJN. AMEN!

Your Baba Kumuyi Japa'd to UK some time ago! You no go find your way follow am? https://www.nairaland.com/8106152/pastor-kumuyi-advises-members-not#130169083

Ken4Christ:
∆ It won't happen. You want to kill the larger percentage of Nigerians who are not working in any of the tiers of government.

How will Labor's demands kill the passive populace? If anything, it might be the jolt that finally wakes the average Nigerian man on the street the fk up. Labor should not settle for anything less than $250,000 after this nonsense abeg!

OmoGomesIlorin, you mean this news and the associated videos are fake ?

BadMaster:
It's extremely insensitive that, while talks on minimum wage is still going on, they decided to increase judicial officers' pay by 300%. This is insane. This obviously shows that they don't even rate Labour and the whole strike thing.

Very very insensitive move i tell ya!

Sadly, most of those agitating against Labor and their demands for an increase in minimum wage will not so much as raise their voice against this obvious atrocity against the Nigerian people. Here's hoping this is fake news! .

This is some serious Politricking. Na Tinubunomics we go tag this one abi Wetin. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

GreyLaw:
Happy, Happy birthday to you sir. You taught me Christian character and discipline!

Character that have kept them enslaved for generations.