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jnrbayano:
∆ Your second paragraph has a little question mark. You were correct when you said that the blood will stop working if one intentionally does evil after knowing Jesus wise counsel but this will change once same person repents and turn a new leaf. The blood continues to cleanse so far there's contrition and repentance

This is very wrong belief on your part. That gift of eternal life which the blood grants to all who would choose to become citizens of the kingdom of God never stops working. It does not matter whether one chooses to continue in sin afterwards or not. The fact is the gift of eternal Life will never be taken away from such a one. Now, the end of such a person however, is another thing entirely since the choice of eternal reward or eternal damnation depends on what one does after receiving eternal life.

Expanse2020:
∆This statement is just to shackle because christ denied this statement of John that, the voice of my father you haven't hear it before, no body have seen God before...
For Jesus to said that whose voice did John here among alot of people in the heaven

Stop yammering abeg!

The statement was recorded as the words of Jesus Christ there in the book of John. So how could Jesus Christ have denied it? And what voice? I still believe you have never in fact read any portion of that book for yourself. How come? I don't know.

BraveGuy:
Across all religions of the world, we all know there is an expectation that there is a coming Messiah. Even the secular world know there is wind of change about to blow. However, Christians tell us that there is a special phenomenon about to take place, called the RAPTURE. In this rapture the Christians will just vanish into thin air. Is this true?

There is no truth to the Christian theory of rapture.

HenryQuest:
There is no doubt about the fact that we all have our shortcomings in one way or the other. While some sin very less, some others are grave sinnres. What surprises me the most is that most of the people we know very well to be evil live to grow old before they die. I have failed to understand why! If we take a look at most of our politicians, one would expect most of them to have died but alas, they live to even grow old. If you have reasons, proves or counter proves on this, you can share it. Happy New month to you all.

I believe this has a lot more with the so-called good people convinced in their own "goodness" that doing nothing about the evil that the evil people do is part of what makes them good persons.

mbaise1000:
■ The situation here is that you don't understand the bible, I will give you one more example, Jesus told his disciples to baptize people in " "the name if the father and if the son and of the holy spirit" But the same Peter and the disciples never baptized anyone in the name of "The father and if the son and if the HOLY SPIRIT" But the baptized people only in the name of "the lord Jesus" You will now say that they disobeyed Jesus Christ or that they DID not understand what he instructed? The bible is not just any other book, we are told that it was written by the inspiration of the holy spirit, this means, you can only understand it with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT, and not the way you are looking at it

Stop playing around and focus on the topic of the thread!

Fynestboi:
any one that claims she went to heaven nd she s putting on jeweries i would tell its a big lie she didnt go anywhere.

Rubbish! Jesus Christ instead said NO ONE will be sent back from the dead to warn the living. So, even those among them who tell you that wearing Jewelry is not allowed by God are liars, probably people possibly in need of psychiatric help instead.

Alexyem:
Please as i was reading bible this evening i came accros this passage please can someone explain dis better

Jesus Christ never sanctioned or sent out prophets in His name; He was firm that He, Jesus Christ was the last prophet sent by the God of Israel to the people of Israel.

26 So, brothers and sisters, what should you do? When you meet together, one person has a song, another has a teaching, and another has a new truth from God. One person speaks in a different language, and another interprets that language. The purpose of whatever you do should be to help everyone grow stronger in faith.
27 When you meet together, if anyone speaks to the group in a different language, it should be only two or no more than three people who do this. And they should speak one after the other. And someone else should interpret what they say.
28 But if there is no interpreter, then anyone who speaks in a different language should be quiet in the church meeting. They should speak only to themselves and to God.
29 And only two or three prophets should speak. The others should judge what they say.
30 And if a message from God comes to someone who is sitting, the first speaker should be quiet.
31 You can all prophesy one after the other. This way everyone can be taught and encouraged.
32 The spirits of prophets are under the control of the prophets themselves.
33 God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace. This is the rule for all the meetings of God’s people.
34 The women should keep quiet in these church meetings. They are not allowed to speak out but should be under authority, as the Law of Moses says.
35 If there is something they want to know, they should ask their own husbands at home. It is shameful for a woman to speak up like that in the church meeting.
36 God’s teaching did not come from you, and you are not the only ones who have received it.
37 If you think you are a prophet or that you have a spiritual gift, you should understand that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
38 If you do not accept this, you will not be accepted.
39 So my brothers and sisters, continue to give your attention to prophesying. And don’t stop anyone from using the gift of speaking in different languages.
40 But everything should be done in a way that is right and orderly. - 1 Corinthians 14 vs 26 - 46

So, if you closely examine what Paul said in the above passage, it becomes clear, that the church He mentioned in this case was not a gathering of believers or followers of Jesus Christ but rather a gathering that consisted of children of Isreal – sinners and non-sinners alike — to whom the Spirit of Prophesy promised by God to all the young men and women in the land at the time had descended upon - Joel 2 vs 28 - 31. The church meeting described by Paul was a general gathering in the land of Judah, and as such the reason why Paul must have seen fit to stress that the Law of Moses by honored by the women in the gathering, as opposed to the Law of Jesus Christ which those who are followers of Jesus Christ are commanded to live by.

■ In the Bible, it said that when the Gospel reaches everyone, the end shall come i.e the second coming of Jesus Christ. Matt 24:14
However, my question and thought is that, with modernization, civilization, technological advancement, globalization, do you think not everyone has heard the gospel. Pls endeavour to give reasons and probably cite examples of some places you think the Gospel has not gotten to, and why you might think it has gotten to every nook and cranny of the earth

Pay close attention to what Jesus Christ said.

14 And the Good News I have shared about God’s kingdom will be told throughout the world. It will be spread to every nation. Then the end will come. - Matthew 24 vs 14

The World, according to Jesus Christ, is the world that is the Lost sheep of Israel, and the nations are the tribes of Israel. The end He spoke of, as He confirmed in the same context is Matthew 24 vs 1 - 44.

Michael547:
■ 😆😆😆😆😆......And you think you are a true follower of christ?
■ And you have not in your entire life met another true follower of christ?😆😆😆
■ You must be the funniest person on planet earth.
■ So even the op that you are supporting is also not a true follower of christ😆😆😆

1. Well, one fact I am certain of is that no follower of Jesus Christ would:
▶ Associate Him, and His Name, with any organization of men on this earth
▶ Be associated with any religion or doctrines of men; Jesus Christ openly distanced himself from the religious leaders of even His time as well as their many doctrines and rituals.
▶ Use His name for any idea other than that strictly contained in His Gospel and Law; Using the name of Jesus Christ for that which He did not command or teach amounts to using His name in vain.
▶ Bow down to or follow any man or group of men who claim to be teachers or representatives of God on earth; Jesus Christ alone is the Teacher and authority to all of His followers.
▶ Subject himself to the standards of other men particularly where it concerns the Kingdom of God; Jesus Christ is the only standard that He judges all things by.
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Jesus Christ is God's Law defined and no man or person has authority from him to stand between Him, the vine, and His branches.

27 My sheep listen to my voice. I know them, and they follow me. - John 10 vs 27

So, that pretty much means every single individual out there holding or hanging on to religion has no part in Him Jesus Christ. There is no debating that unless you believe instead that Jesus Christ is not the absolute power and authority in the Kingdom of God which He claimed to be, in which case, this is all moot.

2. Absolutely! I have met a lot of religious beings such as yourself but I have never met a single being who exudes Jesus Christ in the same way that Jesus Christ said His followers would. o?

3. I am far from funny!

4. There is no mandate given by Jesus Christ that a follower go out in search of other followers so I know it is the religion in you that believes such nonsense. There is only one Jesus Christ and almost 100% of the claims you have made thus far have absolutely nothing to do with Him.

5. Lol... You do believe that Jesus Christ is according to the whims of men, don't you? What OP pointed out was known to me even back when I was just an atheist, unconcerned with the things of Jesus Christ. Would it have made sense for me to have at that time concluded like you insinuate that I was a follower of Jesus Christ by having that knowledge?

Michael547:
■ Who are these people? Where are they?
■ Can we identify them? Do you know anyone of them?

1. Jesus Christ, the vine, is the one who knows them. Jesus Christ did not establish an institution of men on earth to keep a record of His branches on His behalf. So, do not for one sad moment think your organization here on earth is somehow licensed by him in some ridiculous way..

2. Jesus Christ said to His followers of His other followers that by their fruit you shall know them. Those who belong to Him bear fruits of Obedience and can identify the others when they encounter them. The very light of Jesus Christ shines from each one of His own no matter how far away the person may be located.

I have personally never met one of the others but I believe what Jesus Christ said is nothing but the Truth of God.

No matter how much you try to fake it, your organization here on earth will never be able to duplicate this fact of Jesus Christ. Ask the Catholic church before you and you will know.

99thEnemy:
■ Historically, the Catholic Church was not considered a denomination in the same sense as other Christian denominations.
■ The Catholic Church traces its origins directly to the teachings and ministry of Jesus Christ and the apostles, as described in the New Testament.
■ It was the dominant and unified Christian institution for many centuries before the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century led to the emergence of various Protestant denominations. The term "denomination" is typically used to describe the different branches or groups within Christianity that emerged after the Protestant Reformation, distinguishing them from the Catholic Church.

1. The Catholic Church was not the first denomination. Rather it was the major denomination that prevailed during the beginning of the Christian movement -- a movement that sought to insert itself into the Jesus Christ narrative for personal and political gain --- over the rest.

2. There is no direct connection between Jesus Christ, the New Testament, and the Catholic. Most of the so-called early church fathers were non-Israelites, those whom Jesus Christ referred to as dogs and warned His disciples not to give His teachings to. How could there be said to exist a connection between Jesus Christ and the very people whom He said were not welcome in His fold— dogs aka non-Israelites?

3. The Catholic Church/Enterprise maintained its dominance, yes, notoriously by squashing the competition for many many centuries. But that does not mean it was the first denomination nor that it was truly. There are records of internal political battles within the Catholic enterprise throughout the same period.

Michael547:
■ Oga no need for epistle. Who are the true followers of christ today?

The followers of Jesus Christ are those who are commanded ONLY by Jesus Christ --- they hear His voice alone and are taught by Him alone. They do not belong to any organization of this world nor are they commanded by any group of men. They belong only to the Vine that is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. That is what Jesus Christ established in His Gospel. His Gospel and Word of God — Jesus Christ— is the same today as it was in the beginning -- almost 2000 years ago-- and will always be.

Michael547:
∆ I have been asking op to land and he has not been able to land. He claims that we can never know anyone else that worships God.
So how did Jesus disciples know themselves and worship God together? That is what he has not been able to answer.
∆ Hope you are not confusing the word 'church' to mean buildings? Church actually means a congregation of people that gather together to worship God irrespective of their location on earth.

Op has made it abundantly clear that even your denomination has nothing with Jesus Christ and the God of Israel who instead prescribed for His followers an idea and understanding far away from that which you keep pushing.

You confuse the word church to imply a collection of people connected via an organization, a system of this world ruled over by your GBs. Jesus Christ instead described His own church as a set of branches only joined together, not by any other idea but by Him. Each node/branch of Jesus Christ's church is not even joined by location or commonalities that have to do with this earth. They could be scattered away from each other yet connected to the master who is Jesus Christ. Notice the stark difference between what you call church and that which is in fact of Jesus Christ?

Sheuns:
∆ This wokeness were always forming will boomerang on us one day. We see someone doing something that’s obviously bad but we say let’s leave them to do what they like.
∆ The negative influence the likes of bobrisky have on some youth is getting too much and some actors due to insensitivity are reinforcing such behavior by awarding him some silly awards just to increase the viewership of their deadass movie.

If Bad for all of us is as defined by the Law in Nigeria, and no law has been broken, how then is this obviously bad?

2. You can only be influenced by that which you choose to influence you. So if the choice is you're to make at the end of the day, why blame others for what is apparently stewpidity on your part?

souljay007:
∆ Fellow christian Nairalanders... The scripture John 3:16..." For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life......Why is it so popular and known by every christian,even the children...I can remember it was the first bible scripture i memorized... Why?

It is all part of the brainwashing. By isolating the verse from the underlying context and suggesting, against the author's meaning, that God instead meant to love even those whom Jesus Christ was not sent to, your Christian leaders keep their gullible followers shackled to their craft for as long as possible.

Alwaystrue:
▪■Prophets are there to perfect the saints, to edify the church and for the work of the ministry but as @Joagbaje said, Christians live by faith and not by prophecy. A good prophesy comes to pass as we live on in faith and God's dictates while a bad may be averted as well just by the same way of living in Christ. .

How exactly do prophets, whom Jesus Christ made know were all false since He never sent any of them out using His name, go about perfecting those whom you tag saints?

promise101:
■ WE ARE SAVED BY HIS BLOOD!

Jesus Christ made known that His blood was poured out in other that men may be saved from the condemnation of sin — Death—, also known as the curse of sin, afflicted on them by God. Additionally, Jesus Christ explained how His blood would save them from death. The blood when consumed gives eternal life to those who drink it.

None of those verses you quote give a reason for any of the Christian "blood of Jesus" rituals you have.

Joagbaje:
■ God gave prophets to the body of christ as gift. A prophet is a seer. He sees beyond the ordinary into the realm of the spirit. Many prophets have gifts of healing also . ( not all ) so apart from diagnosing the cases ,they can solve the issues too.
■ As much as the office of the prophet is real ,one should not become a slave to a prophet. they should learn to live by faith in the word and acting on the word, but if a matter goes beyond what their faith can handle he can see the pastor .

1. Yet the same Jesus Christ clearly declared all who would come as prophets and teachers in His name as false prophets and false teachers. Jesus Christ even declared that He alone is the Good Shepherd indicating that any others who appeared as shepherds in his name were wicked folks. So, tell me, are you people for real?

2. Stop lying! There is nothing real about the office of prophets that Christians claim to hold. Jesus Christ, in His Gospel, made known that He was the last prophet sent from God and that all those who come in his name are wolves in sheep's clothing.

Lucifyre:
■ ...Yet again i'ld trash the randos pov and rely on the pov of the life work of academic scholars who have made these connectiions and established how the flood story from the sumerian texts which is the oldest civilization(4000BCE before Genesis texts in about 6th Century BCE)  influenced the same story been retold  by and across other near eastern texts of other mesopotanian civilizations. The isrealites been one of them as they were part and one of other cannanite groups. Except u've conducted your own studies and published it to be accepted by the wider acaedemic community, saying  contrary is just empty noise. I'ld suggest you educate urself, i could recommend books from renouned academic biblical scholars not fundamentalists/ apologists, that's if you want. 😏....

I see! So you would choose to subscribe only to the views of those among them who have chosen to make a direct connection while ignoring the opinion of others who state that there may seem a connection but not a solid enough one to claim the Gilgamesh epic to be more superior to the account of the flood story written in Scripture?

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On an aside, Abraham was himself described as a Mesopotamian who left his father's land to explore the land of the God who called him.

The Hebrew history of the patriarchs indicates that Yahweh selects Abraham and his descendants as his chosen people. Abraham, a Semite living in the northern Mesopotamian city of Haran is the son of Terah, who comes from the city Ur in southern Mesopotamia. He was born in the Sumerian city-state of Ur around 2000 BC. Remember, Sumerians were the earliest culture that was found in Mesopotamia.

interestingly, the captivity of Judah was carried out by the Mesopotamians, the same lands from where Abraham came from.

Babylon was an ancient city located on the lower Euphrates river in southern Mesopotamia, within modern-day Hillah, Babil Governorate, Iraq about 85 kilometers south of modern day Baghdad. Babylon functioned as the main cultural and political centre of the Akkadian-speaking region of Babylonia, with its rulers establishing two important empires in antiquity, namely the 19th–16th century BC Old Babylonian Empire and the 7th–6th century BC Neo-Babylonian Empire, and the city would also be used as a regional capital of other empires, such as the Achaemenid Empire.

Plus1234:
gabbage as usual. Mental problems Dey worry you. Sickness of the mind Dey worry you.Keep going after Christianity and watch how you will end badly and you will be miserable in your life.

The many delusions of a gullible sheeple!

Hildalicious:
∆I know that we are saved. i hear people say for you to be saved you must do this or do that. but my problem is, i don't know what Jesus saved us from. i have been morally upright from childhood as i was brought up by my parents from a christian home, but since i became born again nothing changed, i am still the same person as morally conscious as usual.
so, i really don't know what being born again has done for me.
because i really want to value what Jesus Christ did on the cross, please can someone tell me why Jesus died?
i understand that people have been morally upright even before Jesus came to die

Jesus Christ came to save the Lost Sheep of Israel from the curse of sin aka death -- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 & Deuteronomy 28 vs 12 - 56 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 - 40 -- placed on them by the God of Israel

Emusan:
Absolutely! That means you agreed with Jesus that Holy Spirit is a person!

I always agree with Jesus Christ given that He is the King, Judge, Jury, and executioner— the absolute power and standard —in the Kingdom of God.

Emusan:
No one says He does. Still the same point above. The emphasis is on 1 John 5:7 as it makes Holy Spirit to be a person. Do you understand that?

Jesus Christ, in His Gospel, described the Holy Spirit who is also known as the Spirit of Truth as having a will of His own - John 14 vs 25-26 & John 15 vs 26-27 & John 16 vs 4-16 - much like persons do.

mbaise1000:
I certainly agree that it's only through Jesus that we are SAVED and that Jesus you say you know trusted and sent this people on this message, they are the ones who walked physically with him, and wether you accept it or not, they understand Jesus and his teachings better than you do, if Jesus BELIEVED they will not do what he instructed, he wouldn't have sent them, and you have failed to give me an instance from the scripture where Peter or Paul lifted themselves above Jesus, or where they instructed anyone to lift them up above Jesus.

1. You have not been paying attention all this while..

First, at least 144,000 individuals were sent out into the world by Jesus Christ from Jerusalem with a mission to go gather back Israel to God. Your fixation on one or two is not commanded and just that, your fixation. Second, the one we have all this while attempting to lift Paul as a standard is you. Trying to convince me that Paul was sent by Jesus Christ because Paul said so is akin to lifting Paul up as a standard. Suggesting that because Peter said something regarding what Paul may have said in his letters implies Paul was of Jesus Christ is akin to lifting another other than Jesus Christ Himself as the standard where Paul is concerned. Jesus made abundantly clear that He is the standard that all His followers are to judge all things by. Yet, you have conveniently ignored that so that you could instead judge even Jesus Christ by Paul.

mbaise1000:
∆ What exactly is your own definition of end time?
Is it different from Jesus' own version? What did Jesus say will happen after the end time?

The "End Time" was a time described by the prophets as the time that God would judge the Nations but also a time when there would take place a change in times. In response to the questions asked Him regarding that particular time which His coming was meant to Herald, Jesus Christ spoke the words recorded in Luke 21 & Matthew 24 & Mark 13.

Emusan:
@∆ t's an issue to them because Holy Spirit must not be seen as a person to dismiss the Trinity claim just as it's an issue with you with your numerous false teachings here.

Anyways, Jesus Christ did not describe a trinity. Rather z He differentiated Himself from His Father and the one who is the Spirit of Truth, even as He continually emphasized their oneness - being of accord/agreement.

prettytasha:
∆ Delusion. There is a reason it is called a vow , with what happened here if the man gets sick or broke the woman has every right to leave him because she only signed up for better and for better .

And the man dey there dey look

She can equally do the very same even after saying the vow. So, what you are insinuating makes no sense.

Scentedgrance:
Ahnie nailed everything professionally we were impressed with her services.

Good to hear!

Ahnie Congratulations!

cnwokike:
Good morning my Nairaland family. This days as Christians we go to Church for worship on our days of worship be it Sundays or Saturdays.
While studying the old testament, I found out that the places of worship are used interchangeably. Temple, Tabernacle and Synagogue. Are these three the same?

You must not have been paying attention to detail as you read through the book.

Mescopaul:
Pastor W.F. Kumuyi General Superintendent, Deeper Life Bible Church, condemns the message or portray of those people that claimed that they went to heaven and God told them people should start dressing like Deeper Life. He openly said that those testimonies are not to be believed by the church, and that we dont need anyone from the dead to come and preach to us that are living.

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He emphasized the fact one need to be born again inorder to make heaven and not dressing like Deeper Life outwardly and the sin, bitterness, anger, envy, and hatred, is still in the heart. "We have the word of God, the bible, so we dont anyone from the dead to come and tell us what to do, we in the church we wont believe those, let them go with their stories, we believe the bible is sufficient for us".

If clearly, Kumuyi is aware that a deeper life way of dressing has no impact on a person's relationship with God, why then does this man continue to insist that the way one dresses is of importance to "holiness" for his gullible followers to this day?

Kumuyi is no less a scammer than the likes of Oyedepo, RCCG, GBs, and all the others out there including the Pope.

confessionsad:
■ My younger sister has recently begun spending time with a neighbor in our apartment complex, a situation I find troubling. Despite her assurances that their friendship is harmless and she understands what she's involved in, I have reservations. This neighbor, who is part of a confra, engages in drug use, smoking hemp, taking Colorado among other concerning behaviors, and my sister has been increasingly involved with his circle of friends, which has greatly influenced her behavior and character
Over the past year, my concern for my sister has grown as I've noticed a shift in her attitude and behavior, which seems influenced by her new acquaintances. Our conversations about this issue have led to tension between us. Recently, this tension escalated into a physical altercation of me hitting her, which I deeply regret. Following our confrontation, my sister sought the assistance of the boy, who, along with his friends, retaliated against me. This situation left me feeling isolated and unsure of what just happened
I have reached out to our parents for support, but so far, they have not intervened in a way that has led to a resolution. It feels as though I am being positioned as the problem for trying to address these concerns. Despite the challenges, my primary goal remains to find a way to ensure my sister's safety and well-being, even as it seems we've drifted apart since she started associating with this group.

How old is this younger sister?

kendraloops:
■ I have been having a running battle with myself trying to read my bible everyday but I just can't. sometimes, I pick ut up to read but I don't know where to start. An idea came to me to try reading from Genesis to Revelation in a particular order but that dint work cos it would seem like am reading a textbook or novel.
I really yearn to know more about God especially these days our pastors preach from " their own bible". Thought of using a devotional like Word for Today, donno if it would help. I'll appreciate sound advice pls.

Where did you get the idea from that you are not to read the book exactly the way you read your textbooks and novels? The books contained in your bible were written by humans who spoke and wrote human language and thought the same as humans. So why do you illogically convince yourself that it is not common sense then to read the book written by them the same way you would books written by other humans and in human language?