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Pygru:
[color=green]Have you ever heard the following? “God is love! He would never judge anyone or send anyone to hell! That’s just not loving!”

This statement is of course a lie! God is love and His Judgment is part of what makes up His love. Any attempt to separate God's love from God's Judgment only ends in the creation of an idol, different from God.

Boomark:
Does the wrath of God last forever?

Yes, His Judgment is never ending. God's judgement against Adam and Eve in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24 continues even to this day to plague all of mankind. His most recent Judgement against the descendants of Jacob when He judged them about 1900 years ago is eternal judgment only to end after the last of them drops dead, I believe. And His Judgment when Jesus Christ returns to judge the sheep and goats in the Kingdom of God is equally eternal.

God's mercy does not cancel God's judgment nor does His mercy erase His Judgment.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you call that quoting of scripture? Even the devil quotes scriptures but does not believe it.

What you claim there in bold is an impossible lie! The statement that Satan quotes scripture, basically that said by God, is a lie.

■ Devil quote scriptures but Jesus proved that he is God's son by quoting the scriptures to counter Satan! Matthew 4:3-11....

The Devil knows only to twists the content of scripture by quoting it out-of-context or applying some special interpretation such as is typical with the religious to render, instead of what is written, a lie. As Jesus Christ said, the devil is a liar and the Truth is far from Him. Literally , the Devil cannot tell the Truth. Therefore, there is no way the Devil could directly quote the Truth of God stated even in Scripture.

lawani:
■ The original Sumerians were Hindus and Abraham was a Hindu. Sumerian itself as a language is closely related to Tamil spoken in India today. Abraham.and Sarah is the same thing as Brahmin and Saranatu in Hindu culture. Abraham was just a Hindu of the Brahmin caste and that was not his real.name. The hint that it was not his real.name is in the Bible

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Sumerians believed in anthropomorphic polytheism, or of many gods in human form, which were specific to each city-state. The core pantheon consisted of An (heaven), Enki (a healer and friend to humans), Enlil (gave spells spirits must obey), Inanna (love and war), Utu (sun-god), and Sin (moon-god).

lawani:
∆ Abraham lived in Sumeria and Nimrod was his King. Nimrod would have been older than his father. Any Abraham story in the Quran, not corroborated by Jews are pure lies, figments of the imagination of Prophet Mohammed because Abraham is the property of Jews just like Lisabi is the property of the Egba. Atiba belongs to Oyo, Atakunmosa to Ijesa and etc. Those who knew Abraham learnt of him from Jews and not from anywhere else. His story got to Arabs through Judaism, Christianity and Islam and that was from whom Mohammed first heard the name., So any Abraham story not corroborated by Jews are pure lies. Then Mecca would have not been there during Abraham's time. There may have been human settlements but not Mecca. Same way Ilesa or Abeokuta of that name was not there 3 thousand years ago.

Since Abraham was a Sumerian, it does not need telling before knowing that he was an original Earth man and his people today are Aborisha, Shinto, Hindu and etc. Not Christians and Muslims who are barbarians.

interesting! According to Scriptural records, Abraham's grandfather was Seth and his great grandfather was Noah. So, the allegation that Abraham Himself ever practiced paganism is to be questioned. My father was a .... probably traditionalist...I was never one of those myself. It is quite possible that Abraham was previously exposed to God from His youth.

BscHolder:
So basically what MrsAminaBello says below about ahnie is right?

The attached link is Ahnie! https://www.nairaland.com/6783865/see-meal-churchy-nigerian-almost#106398361

She talks openly about herself. No need to get it twisted with unverified claims made by others.

blackpanthar:
∆ The Jesus who said it was rich o......... Judas was stealing from his purse before he betrayed him. pls next time read verses in the bible in CONTEXT, don't isolate. He was talking about those who are controlled by money, who trust in their riches.

Stop spinning ludicrous tales!

Even a homeless man can have money or something in his purse worth stealing. The fact that Judas sold the man named Jesus Christ for a mere 30 pieces of silver should cause you to realize that even Judas realized that Jesus Christ was worth if sold off at the cost of a slave than for him Judas, to continue digging into that financial purse you speak of. Take advantage of the context of Scripture next time when looking for tales to spin!

jnrbayano:
∆ What is this prayer about?
"I am covered by the blood of Jesus"

That prayer is paganism/voodoo that Christians have adopted along they way, along with many other such ideas.

jnrbayano:
What does the blood of Jesus do....Cover, fight and/or cleanse?

Do you think the answer(s) is/are not in the option given? Please, answer with some biblical backing.

Let's discuss.

The blood of Jesus Christ who was sent by His Father only to the Lost Sheep of Israel does nothing of what you have up there. According to Jesus Christ, His blood grants those who drink it Eternal Life and that is that -- John 6 vs 25 - 45.

born2reign001:
Hi, could anyone let know the difference between obey and submit? Thank

To Submit implies to put one's trust in a particular idea or being. To Obey is to make tangible/that submission one supooses one has in a particular idea of person.

You didn't acknowledge the Catholic church

Acknowledge Catholic why?

Lucifyre:
∆ if a book has multiple possible varied decutions when its claim is a singular one then problem's not the people but the book.
∆ No one reads the epic of gilgamesh or other epics or say the decent of Ishtar and comes to extremely varied conclusions even though they're much older than the bible.
∆ Even books covering more complex topics like astro physics, time dilation, quantum mechanics have less varied deductions and are more conclusively objective than the "divinely inspired" book. Somehow its mainly and almost always religious texts with this problem. Or is it not the same set of people reading other books and coming to objective conclusions?!

The book does not have any of what you describe at all.

2. I read the Epic of Gilgamesh -- I did so recently too-- actually and I came away believing that there were similarities that existed in one particular idea with the Noah story contained in Scripture but the stories were all too very different at the same time. So, let's stop making this vague connections where no serious contacts even exist..

3. What exactly are you on about? Am I to take it that you read the book seeking objectivity regarding what exactly? Less varied deductions? What in the world are you on about ?

Look up the meaning of the word "inspired" and tell me what you understanding is then of this "divinely inspired" idea of yours.

Emusan:
∆ Yes! But the main objection to that verse is actually THE HOLY SPIRIT because it's evident that The Holy Spirit must be a Person since He witnessed with the Father and The Word. Other objection is placing them together.

Though other scriptures still affirmed the Person of the Holy Spirit, without that verse.

1. Humans understand even Satan, equally a spirit, to be a kind of individual or person. So how can perceiving the Holy Spirit of God in similar fashion be of issue?

FortresOfChrist:
Hebrews 10:26 Amplified Bible (AMP)
26 For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for our sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate],

Does this verse in its context mean what the church interpreted it to mean? I need some help here please. Lord our fortress bless you as you contribute.

What the author of the letter to the Hebrews meant is that Jesus Christ --- God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God --- is the ultimate/last chance at redemption God has made available to the israelites who have all been judged and condemned by the God of Israel. There is no other way to come for them.

Basically, your churches lie to you with their many interpretations of even this one verse.

Molake94:
I have seen post where people say: we should not make God the Father; God the Son; And God the Holy Spirit as one
Then pls I need more Understanding on 1 john 5:7 which says For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

All three of them are one means they are all of one accord --- agreement.

mbaise1000:
∆ I said that JESUS never lied, I am trying to understand if what you actually said is that it has happened 1900 years ago, if it has happened ALREADY, we will not be here the way it is now, the promise is always that at the end of the present system of things, there will be no more suffering and wickedness, it hasn't happened yet, Satan is still rulling this world now, Jesus will not come and things still remain the way it is now, that is our hope, if you believe that the end has come and you are still the way you are, it means that you have misses the rapture, people like me won't miss it

1. Jesus Christ is the one who said it would happen while His disciples were alive --- the very same go generation that they lived in. That generation ended up about 1900 years ago. Either you believe as Jesus Christ said that it all did in fact happen then, or you don't. Which is it?

Given that all Jesus Christ said concerning the end time happened almost 1900 years ago, it clearly follows that what you think is taking place today has nothing to do with the End time as described by Jesus Christ. How can anyone who claims to believe in Jesus Christ not have this much already resolved?

mbaise1000:
∆ You claim to know Jesus and what he said but refuse to accept what those he sent out said, you are selecting the things that support your narrative but you can succeed with that ONLY with the type of people who are blinded that they cannot understand that word, if you are doubting what Peter said about Paul, you are doubting every other thing Peter said because when you cast doubt on one thing he said, you are saying that every other thing he said is doubtful, the is not the way of TRUE Christian, I am not expecting you to be a Christian, you don't talk like one, you disagree that Jesus met Paul, you have no proof to support your denial, we have proof to support our agreement with that. You want me to disagree with people who were present who walked with Jesus, who Jesus spoke to face to face and accept the words of a deranged paedophile, a liar and someone who said he doesn't know where he is going when he died?
∆ BTW whether you accept the witness of Peter or not doesn't change anything, the truth remains the truth, Jesus is lord and will judge everyone on the judgement day

1. Again , Jesus Christ said He alone is the standard by which all who follow Him is to live by and be measured against. So where do you get lifting Peter or Paul as standards in the name of Jesus Christ?

2. The Truth of God is Jesus Christ. Any other is of the lies of men.

wifeesnatcher:
∆ You don't know what you're saying, a man can claimed his child with all means, the court can only compel him to compensate the woman after the court verdict

I don't follow at all. Can you please cite a case so I can better understand your argument.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe that the God of Israel is fully Human and Fully God?

Wetin concern this nonsense religious debate you engage in with God's Law and standard?

So, God of Israel's own decree is not standard enough against your god of man? Imagine someone who pretends daily to know God of Israel yet without understanding how the Law is the only standard against which all who claim to belong to God of Israel are to be weighed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Christianity is indeed a religion of scammers hiding their trade behind the name of Jesus Christ who was sent by the God of Israel ONLY to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Kumuyi is a scammer like all the other religious leaders of the time of Jesus Christ from whom Jesus Christ distanced Himself and the message of His Kingdom. Jesus Christ said they were all false teachers and false prophets, without exception.

OLAADEGBU:
∆ You have not answered the question: Who is your god and what is his/her decree?

So, God of Israel's own decree is not standard enough against your god of man? Imagine someone who pretends daily to know God of Israel yet without understanding how the Law is the only standard against which all who claim to belong to God of Israel are to be weighed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Christianity is indeed a religion of scammers hiding their trade behind the name of Jesus Christ who was sent by the God of Israel ONLY to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Kumuyi is a scammer like all the other religious leaders of the time of Jesus Christ from whom Jesus Christ distanced Himself and the message of His Kingdom. Jesus Christ said they were all false teachers and false prophets, without exception.

Lucifyre:
■ It's not like there's any objective interpretation of the book, basically non exists. What you get is half or say pseudo-objectivity at best. The interpretations are basically just a symptom of the major problem which is the Kafkaesque nature of the book itself. A book where a decent portion of it is contradictory to the messages its trying to pass across, historically, socio culturally and politically inaccurate for the most part. A book selectively compiled of different books over a thousand year period written by god knows how many writers of which there's a lot of pseudographia involved, some books written by more than an author and passed as a singular author. Original manuscripts lost and what u have are basically copies of copies of copies of copies with parts missing in some and non existent parts in the rest inserted into others. Lots of missing historical, socio cultural, ethnic and political context and dynamics of the times. Nor the thought process of the writer or the genre in which written taken into context. Godspeed applying any objectivity to such a book.

The problem isn't the book even as we have it today. The problem is the notion that every person who reads the book can then assert his or her private interpretation of what is clearly stated in each of the contained books by the different authors over different times.

OLAADEGBU:
■ What god do you serve and what is his decree?

So, God of Israel's own decree is not standard enough against your god of man? Imagine someone who pretends daily to know God of Israel yet without understanding how the Law is the only standard against which all who claim to belong to God of Israel are to be weighed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Christianity is indeed a religion of scammers hiding their trade behind the name of Jesus Christ who was sent by the God of Israel ONLY to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Kumuyi is a scammer like all the other religious leaders of the time of Jesus Christ from whom Jesus Christ distanced Himself and the message of His Kingdom. Jesus Christ said they were all false teachers and false prophets, without exception.

OLAADEGBU:
■ I knew you were clueless but I just didn't know that it was this bad.

So, God's own decree is not standard enough against your god of man? Imagine someone who pretends daily to know God yet without understanding how the Law is the only standard against which all who claim to belong to God are to be weighed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Christianity is indeed a religion of scammers hiding their trade behind the name of Jesus Christ.

OLAADEGBU:
∆ Do you see what happens when you point one accusing finger at an innocent man, how many fingers point back at you? You could not give one reason or evidence why you accuse the man of God and this just exposes you as being the real wolf here. You are just projecting yourself in all your writing and it shows that you are just an enemy of the Cross.

So, God's own decree is not standard enough against your god of man? Imagine someone who pretends daily to have knowledge of God yet without understanding of how the Law is the only standard against which all who claim to belong to God are to be weighed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Christianity is indeed a religion of scammers hiding their trade behind the name of Jesus Christ.

lawani:
∆ Yes but the child can denounce the father and adopt another father but he or she will need acceptance in another place which may not be forthcoming

How many children do that?

kkins25:
In can't seem to find the rules for such customary laws. For paternity fraud to occur, adultery must first take place. That's enough grounds to throw the woman and kid out.

You can't seem to locate customary marriage law in Nigeria? Continue!

wifeesnatcher:
∆ Mention the people with that tradition and prove to me how one traditional law is greater than a constitutional law. I 'm waiting

Greater than? The Constitution of Nigeria recognizes and uphold customary law where it concerns marriage and paternity of a child so this your "greater than" debate no enter at all. As for the traditional laws, the customary courts already make provisions for several of them including Igbo-related. Please go back and provide answer to the question in the case that customary law is invoked.

Plus1234:
Werey Dey worry your head.The guy na frustrated man without a job.he is suicidal if you pay close attention to him.He is also a Muslim using taqiya to deceive.he is is doomed and not to be taken seriously.

Kumuyi is just another one of the thieves/robbers/religious leaders such as even the pharisees and sadducees before him who comes to steal from God's flock, kill the fat of God's flock and destroy God's flock - Ezekiel 34 & John 10.

OLAADEGBU:
∆ What measuring stick are you using in jumping to this conclusion?

God's Very own Teachings and commandments, Jesus Christ, ihe one and only standard by which all who claim to be of Him should be judged; recall He commanded His followers to judge righteously. Kumuyi is no different a fraud. As Jesus Christ made clear, Kumuyi is just another one of the many thieves out there who come to steal, to kill and to destroy God's flock -- Ezekiel 34 & John 16, a wolf in sheep clothing.

wifeesnatcher:
■ You're inexperienced, If DNA confirm the man coming to claimed the child as his own, he will win easily in any court. It is left for the child whose he want to make his dad, this might damage his pyshcological life forever. Why not just close your pant and give it to one diick instead of the stress and distrust and controversies attach to it

Let's assume for argument's sake that the only reason why a man would present DNA proof in customary court would be to claim custody of a child of his. There are traditions where the custody of the child belongs to the mother so long as the man has not paid a bride price on her head. In such a case, would this DNA proof in customary court overrule such traditional law? Would the child be handed over to the man against the mother?

hansomb:
∆ You sounded like a victim of paternity fraud 🤥. Either directly or indirectly. Else, reasons why you are defending such.

Defending? The law is there for every citizen to uphold and defend. If I uphold/defend the law only when it benefits me, would I be any better than a criminal or say one of your many dubious politicians?

Customary marriage laws are meant to be respected as a whole --- you don't pick only the aspects that benefit you, deny the rest, and then claim you abide by the very same law. Either embrace the whole or abandon it entirely and opt for the alternative.

wifeesnatcher:
∆ Until the father of the child returned to claimed back the child

Not if the woman he had the child with was married under customary marriage terms. So long as the woman's husband claims the child, he -- the one who had a child with a married woman --can do nothing.