₦airaland Forum

Verysmart101:
You are a very big fool for your comment.How can u joke with ur husbands life because of church doctrine? Are u for real? God will surely judge both of u fools

Interesting! So let's assume the woman had been the one in need of blood here, you think the man wouldn't have done exactly the same?

Cut the bull.. these people do the same to their own children so don't now pretend this isn't normal for JWs.

Lexusgs430:
In the best interest of the patient, the Hospital should have revoked her NOK status and acted in the best interest of their patient..........

Do hospital's have the right to do any such?

WhizdomXX:
OMG. Cult standard

It is a cult!

UMUAZEE:
You don't know what you are talking about. Being married to someone doesn't give you the right to deny them the right to live. Her decision basically killed the husband when he could have easily survived. In western world she is going to jail.

Please think well before you write rubbish make i too know no go kill you or somebody close to you.

Deny them right to what not? Do you understand this issue at all?

The women upheld the man's own JW, kind of like his will in all of this, and you say what now?

Britishpea:
What are you talking about There is no law that places spouse over family in case of healthcare decisions, on their spouses.
Some medical facilities can only decide to lift the spouse a step ahead of the family in hierarchy but no law stipulates that. Family only respects the tradition of marriages in terms of such decisions. Yes a wife or husband can take whatever decision by him/herself and no one can castigate her or him for doing same way no law can castigate family’ if they do same.

Medical facilities can do circumvent the Law how? By what power abeg?

aribisala0:
Which Law?

Have you ever considered Brushing up on the reality of marriage Law in Nigeria ?

lucky4west:
this is religious blindness at work...the same jw dat refuses blood transfusion is the same jw that has no issue drinking alcohol...pretenders...where in the Bible did our lord Jesus condemn blood transfusion? she can easily re-marry but a family have lost a son...they should have been informed of the doctor's prescription....sad

God never told you alcohol was sin either. So stop trying to equate the wrong things here.

Naijboy:
If it is in USA this woman would have gone to jail. She won't even try it. Doctors would not have obeyed her.

Stop lying!

cococandy:
It’s sad but it is what it is.

I once had a 17 year old patient whose parents wouldn’t give permission for her to be transfused as she lay there in the ICU dying. Heartbreaking doesn’t begin to define how I felt. It’s not like they didn’t love her, but they were concerned that transfusing her would condemn her in the afterlife and they believe the resurrection is better to look forward to than this present existence.

Had to get the ethics team involved and we had talks about emergency legal emancipation from her parents so she could make her own decisions. It was a mess.

Oh, I am at least glad the kid was not brainwashed to choose death in such a situation.

oluxy:
You can do likewise as the woman. God save your soul.

God has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. She lived up to her and her husband's beliefs is all.

BafanaBafana:
So assuming he is maladjusted as a result of parenting problems, is calling him out the right thing to do?

So it is OK for him to go around tagging women are wh0res to be stomped on, but not ok to point out to him the root cause of his lifestyle of bitterness and hatred towards women?

smile11s:
A Twitter user has narrated has narrated how a Jehovah's Witness parents refused to see their daughter and their grandchildren for 10 years because she married a man who is a Catholic.

@Purpleandflawed further revealed that since the couple left the country with their kids, the lady's parents have been issuing threats. 

She tweeted;

JWs see Catholics to be of the stock of Satan himself.

Dajmomma:
Hi, I'm new to this. I am American and my bf is Igbo. I've done a LOT of research about his culture when we were just friends. I cook him his meals from Nairaland, and take care of the house and kids. But I beg him to teach me more because what I read on the internet isn't how it is in "today's" time. Mixing our cultures is so difficult at times. I need help please!!!

Out if curiosity, If he is not interested in teaching you his culture, why force it?

CSTRR:
Who are you to speak when the Lord has not commanded it?

He will be a great husband to his wife and a wonderful father to his children.

What in the world are you doing trying God into any of this?

Did Op tell you He believes in or even regards God for that matter that you would attempt to drag God into this muck?

He will be a great husband to what wife? He tell you say im wan marry with all the redflags he hangs around his flag with pride? Will you gladly give your child to such a man?

Palema007:
Now you sound like a sore member of "cult" not that I hold much for a group of people with absurd beliefs and practices. But you must be delusional to think the world revolves around JW group or that every other person will agree to unreasonable thought processes.

As the defender of JW you are, gather your likes to go help the woman out.

I am afraid you have it twisted. I am not a defender of JWs, but instead one who defends an individual's right to believe as he or she sees fit, as long as it is not run counter to commonsense.

Not everyone out there holds high what you consider your norms and traditions. We shouldn't all adopt the same beliefs.

kobobay:
Reading this in the context will give us a clear understanding of what the Bible teaches.

Touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm is not what you think it says.
Please search the Scripture well.

1 Chronicle 16
Psalm 105

Anointings were of the Old Covenant Law of Moses days were God chose for Himself from among the descendants of Jacob, those who He would use for His purpose. Note that all of the prophets of God in the Old Covenant Law were taken from that stock.

In the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, there are no such anointings necessary this since instead God installs a new spirit inside of those who belong to Him and then He, via His own Spirit dwells inside of all those who obey Him - John 14 vs 15 - 25

So if you want to find God's anointed, then you should go search for them from among the children of Israel, not the Gentiles.

Palema007:
Lol... lawfully she may be vindicated but what about life outside court?

I wish life is that simple and people play by books. For future sake and to avoid similar situation, it is advisable to inform the family. Very Simple.

You need to read up a bit more on the beliefs of others, even these JW folks, to understand how ridiculous your stipulations here may sound to them. We don't all define these things the same way abeg.

You talk of life outside of court, well, to this woman and her dead husband, so long as her JW family see her as haven done the right thing, that may all that matters.

JONNYSPUTE:
... Slow down a bit Kobo.It doesn't work that way.

I am afraid it does.

Kellzzyy:
Lie. That I'm a Catholic doesn't mean I agree not to eat meat during Ash Wednesday or good Friday.

ROFLMAO


Please dont compare the JW cult to the Catholic party people abeg!. The JWs are actually known to stick to every inch of their doctrine unlike you Catholics seem able to.

Palema007:
Lol.... If only your previous claims can avert the family from tearing the woman apart (figuratively) will I agree to it and encourage women to. But since everything in your previous post holds no water with reality, I wouldn't advise any one to think or act on it.

May God give the woman strength and muscle to bear what's on her and still coming. It's one thing to be a believer, it's another thing to be a religious fanatic. Even pastors dey wise up these days.

That is why I said earlier that I hope justice, not jungle justice, prevail in this case.

Them tearing her apart does not put them in the right same way setting a teenager on fire for suspected robbery does not put his lynchers in the right. Jungle justice is never the answer, no matter the situation.

JONNYSPUTE:
... Which law are you even talking about here?.
The man was unconscious and it fell on her to use her brains but alas,she failed.Any sensible person be you man or a woman should know that once any of the spouses falls sick and is in a very critical condition,the family has to be aware and help to take decesions inrespect to that.

Since she and her church members took such a bad decesion then let her face the consequences of her stupid religious action.

Even in Nigeria, the law defines marriage in similar terms as a man leaving his father and mother to become one with his wife... she becomes his defacto family and guardian where he also hers.

Unless this man had listed his mother and father or any others as his guardians, his wife is it. And I seriously doubt he could have since he was JW.

Palema007:
Lol...I wish all you have typed and your opinion can really solve the situation on ground. If not,then my stand remains. She should have carried her husband's family along!

That is the truth and logical thing to do.

Solve ke? Someone died...nothing can solve that at all.

yemi1504:
Ignore button! A ti kofa nle, ifa ti n she SMH.

Again....You are not redpillers but hypocrites, redpill-coward even, this since you conveniently create exemptions to your redpill manifesto for women such as your moms.

The OP here is instead a redpiller all the way, sometimes those of you of the cowardly stock aren't able to achieve for fear.

Palema007:
Lol @bolded..

Well that's to avoid the situation she is into at the moment.

There are laws but we have norms and traditions, in Nigeria laws are hardly obeyed or recognized. Moreover it is just the right thing to do, she doesn't own the Man. Same way her family would have held her husband responsible if the case was reserve.

Apart from the law, right and wrong becomes subjective. Following her belief, she is probably convinced she is righteous in her decision. Throwing such things as tradition and norms at others only holds meaning if they also subscribe to the same set of norms and traditions that you do.

As for who owns the man, the man owned his own self...and he chose ti sign it away to the JW ideology.

This is indeed a sad situation but their isn't anything that can be done at this point. The woman was rightly her husband’s guardian by law and she choose to uphold their religious belief over whatever standard others may have or belief in. There is really nothing to that can be rightly done about that.

lalalista:
do you realize how many people have died from the hands of their partner in marriage? Those people married because they feel marriage is mandatory.

How is their gullibility to be blamed on marriage?

Please go work on your critical reasoning skills abeg and stop posting this hogwash Upandan.

Palema007:
Omoh....the wife just allow her husband to die because of church doctrine. The least the church can do will be to denounce them and they will go for another denomination.

In cases like this, the wife should have informed the husband's family too before making the decision but then all these devotees can be something else at times.

Why would she have to consult those who are considered infidels by the JW cult standard in such thing when even the law does not mandate she communicate these things to them.

Pecoleee345:
He was semi conscious so the doctor told the wife being the next of kin.......According to the nurses in the ward they said the guy came in unconscious from the theatre so there no way he could know about the blood thing.
He was operated Saturday night and he died around 2am this morning.

The husband family have gotten the police involved so they are questioning the nurses and doctors.....to be honest everyone is actually against the wife decision.

Very sad situation! I hope justice , and not jungle justice, is served at the end of it all.

yemi1504:
Nah, some of us do love our moms as redpillers but we can't just stand the disasters parading themselves as some women in this generation! Chikena!

You are not redpillers but hypocrites, redpill-coward even, this since you conveniently create exemptions to your redpill manifesto for women such as your moms.

The OP here is instead a redpiller all the way, sometimes those of you of the cowardly stock aren't able to achieve for fear.

marshalcarter:
Read what i posted...read what the op posted there and read what you posted now and think with your brain...

Stay blessed

Why are you scared of mere questions?

Pecoleee345:
The problem now is the guy isn't here to clarify if he agree to not getting transfused with blood.....You no we are in Africa nobody want to hear that part, I can't even suggest it else I will be beating here ooo.

Find out the condition of the man when his wife signed the papers at least. Was he conscious when his guardian signed the documents on his behalf?

thesicilian:
1. Ok
There's enough blame to go round, actually.
The wife takes blame for prioritizing religious beliefs over evidence based medicine.

2. The husband also takes the blame, because by signing up to become a JW, he invariably agreed to all their terms and conditions including no blood transfusion even for life saving conditions. The wife was only following his example.

3. The doctor also has some part of the blood, for agreeing to do the surgery knowing the strong stand of JWs against blood transfusion and not providing alternative measures.

1. What do you mean by blaming the wife? The husband was also a Jehovah's witness, and by the way, nowhere in the OP are you told that the husband was not conscious when his wife signed the papers in question. She most likely signed the documents as his guardian right before he was taken in and operated on.

2. They both made their choice to join the cult and so the parents, while they grieve, ought to understand that these folks chose this for themselves.

3. That one na lie abeg!

Pecoleee345:
Yes......an abia indigene.
They are not taking it likely with her at all.....the whole thing sound ridiculous.

Non of her jehova witness is showing up.....they all left her now.

Death is never a joke.

Pecoleee345:
The husband too is also a jehova witness but he didn't take the decision clearly cause he was semi conscious.

So, the husband was also a Jehovah's witness? Well, case closed.