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Zaheertyler:
I've been hearing the word sin sin sin
Please what is sin

The concept of sin(where God is concerned) ONLY applies as far as those who are under Covenant with God. In the world we live in, it concerns those who are able to be redeemed--- those who are born of the blood of Jacob and are hence born into His Old Law of Moses --- and those who are born-again and are hence citizens of the Kingdom of God. Those who exist outside of God's Law have no need to concern themselves with the idea of sin given that God's curse from the time of Adam made no provision for redemption to be provided them from it.

As for the meaning of sin, sin is direct disobedience of God's very commandment and teaching. That which defines sin against God is clearly defined in His Law and as such does not depend on the ideas or theories of men. When one commits sin one is said to equally violate God's Law given that the Law is all of nothing in orientation. Only those who have attained holiness and have been approved righteous by God are able to have their sins forgiven by Him. All others are subject to whatever ritual is specified in the law for atonement purposes.

new2012:
Do you even know what "Xenophobia" means?
'racism', 'tribalism' all mean different things

na lie!

SIRTee15:
Cut the crap my friend. I just showed u your doctrines are unsound and not based on biblical scriptural ...

All you have done here is reveal further your ignorance of Scripture, something I have been pointing to from the beginning of this here conversation. You assume that by continuing to assert the illogical ignorance you have of what is written in scripture, you can somehow wash away the obvious contradictions that are the contents of the letters of Paul. Fortunately, the sane are not moved by such foolishness!!

For the umpteenth time, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

I can't spoon-feed you details of the Law and the Prophets as well as the Gospel, God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. You have to dive in and read these things for your self rather than continue to argue blindly pretending that you are awarded some sort of justification by doing so.

blazingyou:
■ What I meant by " work in progress" mean spiritual growth to me, okay! Spiritual growth is a continuous process in a christian life, thank you sir!
■ Light of God never shine in their lifestyle because they're hearers and preachers of the words but never are they doers of the word.
■ You have every reason to be curious and doubtful but never should you be judgmental about every christian... There are good ones and also bad ones. Keep your head up . . . I said this once be self conscious
■ Smiles children are the God friend... And I use children as an example to this question but it seems like you don't like because you don't know that children are God friend. . . Please, be around children from good christian homes

1. Well, this spiritual growth you speak of never seems to yield any of that that looks like Jesus Christ. Even your pastors and mogs are afflicted by this very problem — absolutely none of the resemble that which Jesus Christ taught of said. So, if this past acquaintance even after over a decade of being a work in progress appears no different from the ordinary unbeliever in his desires and deeds, then how can anyone believe this "work in progress" status is just not a mere mental illness?

2. I have never met even a single Christian in all of my life who exudes the light of God that is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ said the light cannot be hidden yet I have never seen it at all, not from any corner of this earth. Yet there are over a billion people who claim to be Christians on the planet, that is about 1/4 the population of the world. Doesn't that tell you something is wrong somewhere with the orientation of the belief system itself?

3. Jesus Christ, the one the Christians claim they follow, said to judge everything rightly. I have to judge them to know if any of them truly belong to Jesus Christ as they claim, and so far, I have yet to meet a single Christian who bears the light of Jesus Christ. I have met people who have been Christians for many decades — 30, even 40 years counting— yet not a single one exudes the light of Jesus Christ as Jesus Christ said all those who belong to Him should. That is enough of a reason to be wary of the claims made by Christians.

4. Jesus Christ never said children are holy or sinless. So I don't know where your claim that they are come from since it is not of Scripture. Also, children are a friend of Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ instead said those who are His friends are those who do as He commands - John 15 vs 9 - 14. So, it seems you are reading from a script that is not Jesus Christ either.

blazingyou:
■Firstly, claiming self righteousness is very bad for a true christian. I'm a work in progress in the Lord, through christ who straighten me. Amen grin just because you know of SOMEONE who is an opposite of what he says and do, doesn't mean everyone is like that.. Never let your experience from someone make you not to see the good in others. Pls Yes, truly the main reason for Jesus coming was for us to receive the gift of the spirit and also the fruit of the spirit... And through this we become Christ like.
■What I meant was that; children are holy and pure and also sinless. So, we as adult should be like children. . .

Sadly, he too claimed, even after over 10 years of Christianity, to be a work in progress. That happens to be the #1 excuse most used by Christians the world over. The eternal light of Jesus Christ is never seen in any of them because they all claim to be a work in progress. So, how exactly am I not to be afraid of people who do evil and are quick and ready to claim they are works in progress when confronted by the truth?

2. Children are not holy/pure and neither are children sinless. A two-year-old already knows how to tell lies. So I am not certain where you are coming from at all.

SIRTee15:
■ So if people were already resting on the Sabath day via the law of Moses, then what further rest did Jesus Christ bring for them on the Sabath. You said Jesus brought rest...what rest? For people already resting....
U just confusing and contradicting yourself up and down.

You know the only way to learn the difference between The Gospel and the Old Law of Moses is to study both of them by yourself, one at a time?

For the umpteenth time, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

I can't spoon-feed you details of the Law and the Prophets as well as the Gospel, God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. You have to dive in and read these things for your self rather than continue to argue blindly pretending that you are awarded some sort of justification by doing so.

Christianoir:
It is weird, I don’t talk with my neighbour, we only greet nd hail each other that where it end, but I haven’t really have any meaningful conversation with them before and it bother me sometimes tho.. I’m mostly an introvert nd the shy type. Is something wrong with me, sometimes I want to speak to them, but me speaking to them will mean being friendly, which I’m avoiding, ever since I rented this compound I’ve avoided trouble. Nd I’m someone who cares about what people say or care about the opinion of others, things get to me easily tho. Do they see me as a proud/arrogant person. I’m I weird. Is there people out there like me who have neighbors like me. Im a student tho. Please ignore my typo error.

Are we these neighbors of yours that you felt to ask us these questions regarding them?

SIRTee15:
■ U came here and claim Sabath is about rest from labour but what Jesus said in John 5 is an exact opposite. 16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
This is exactly why he said he's the Lord of the Sabath. So the question now is who should we believe about the Sabath.....Jesus Christ or the doctrines of

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Again with the ridiculous retorts.

25. On Saturday, Moses told the people, “Today is the Sabbath, the special day of rest to honor the Lord. So none of you should be out in the fields. Eat the food you gathered yesterday. - Exodus 16:25

Yes, the Sabbath is a day of rest from the Old Law of Moses. It is a day in which people were commanded to do no UNHOLY work — work for food that perishes. The people were meant to do good(Holy) works only on the Sabbath day — it was sinful to do unholy work on the sabbath day.

John 5 which you quoted speaks of Jesus Christ doing GOOD(holy) works on the Sabbath and every other day of the Week.
● So, how does any of what you posted above contradict or invalidate any of what I stated is equally contained in the same Gospel of what Jesus Christ said regarding the rest He came to offer His followers?
● Did Jesus Christ not make every day a Sabbath for His Followers - John 6 vs 25 - 35?
● Did Jesus Christ not decree that His followers would do the same work— good works— that He did and even greater - John 14 vs 12?

I don't get why you feel you need to argue blindly at all.

Sigh! Again, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

blazingyou:
First question: To be sensitive towards the commandments of God by keeping it and also be a doer of His words. . . Having a close relationship with God. . . Being intimate with His words.
Second question: Having the characters of God. This characters like, Love, kindness , long suffering, patience are what will enable you walk in spirit . Because, you will be self conscious.
■ You won't just do things because you feel like, your spirit will lead you and direct your step. Your mind will be open to big realm because your heart is PURE . . . Like a child whose heart is pure are like God because they have the characters of God. A child is quick to forgive, quick to love . They are pure and they walk in spirit with God. They don't know things but they are sensitive. Cheers

How does one go about having a close relationship with God? Please try to be more specific cause I am not sure where you are speaking from.
Do you currently have these characters of God you speak of or are you simply regurgitating the same stuff you have read somewhere from someone's opinion on it?

I used to know someone who equally claimed to have a relationship with God and believed himself to have the characteristics of God. He was very religious. But this same person was vile and wicked to the bone, particularly to those he saw he could take advantage so when folks tell me tales of having the character of God even as human beings, I doubt their every word because, after all, God never said we are to become like Him. Rather, He said we are to become like Jesus Christ and there was no love lost between Jesus Christ and the Pharisees for sure.

A child whose heart is pure? A child who is quick to forget? I have never met such a child so I wouldn't know what you mean at all. Plus the kind of Purity/Holiness God demands does not come close to anything any child has. Children are not born holy nor do they become holy during their childhood so why do you compare God's Holiness which He demands from His followers to your ideas regarding that which children are capable of?

SIRTee15:
■ What I brought here speaks for itself. U are the one desperately putting words into Jesus and Paul's mouth to fit your bias. U failed to explain how Jesus could say nobody should be called father here on earth but we do call our Parents father.
Then U claim Jesus meant father as regards the kingdom of God. Then I asked U to show me where Paul said he's a father to people in the kingdom of God. You went on about how Paul preached about Jesus and kingdom of God, strawman argument borne out of logical fallacy.
The kingdom of God is about Jesus and eternal life. So show me where Paul said he's a father to anybody in eternal life. Bring a verse where Paul said I'm a father to you in eternity. That's my question and U are yet to produce any answer. Making claims is one thing but defending it with sound scriptural doctrines is another. Your other claims about Jesus also proves your doctrines are false. I have asked U to show me where Jesus said he hasn't changed the law..no response. Obviously U thought abolish is the same thing as change. It's our duty to call out false prophets amongst us who may want to lead others astray. If U don't like the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.

Again, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have near no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

Auki:
Jesus die for our sin
1. Negate God Justice. Innocent man sacrificed for the sinner
2. Negate God being the most merciful. Somebody must die to clean our Sin
3. Condemn most significant part of mankind to Hell for not living for too long to accept Jesus sacrifice
4. Negate personal responsibility, we are free to sin, just accept Jesus.
Satan has made this unreasonable Roman Pagan idea acceptable to Christian.

This is very interesting conclusion from your person. Indeed, the ideas pedaled by the religion of Christianity of Jesus Christ coming in to abolish their sins are not only unscriptural but also antichrist in origin given that Jesus Christ made clear that His food is to do the Will of His Father while He abandoned His own will.

SIRTee15:
■ From sabath to rest to eternal food. As I said earlier I need to change church or attend genuine bible study class.

Mark 2.24,27
[i] The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”......
27 Then Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.[/i]
John 5

16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

What is obvious from all of this is you have near no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

livenija:
Only lucifer start with L

Lucifer is a myth which does not exist in Scripture.
There is no evidence in Scripture to support a Micheal angel either since he is recorded as being a prince of the people of Israel.

As for name of Angels, there is only Gabriel who we are certain is an angel since he is recorded to have appeared to Elixzabeth, Zechariah, and to Mary. All others names you have of Angels are not really supported in much of Scripture.

GreatAchiever1:
■ I didn't ask if you read Scripture with footnote but for you to know that there are bibles like that is a simple example of what I mean.
■ And they were inspired by who?

explain what you mean by Scripture interprets Scripture.

2. All knowledge of Good and Evill belongs to God. Can you name one book that is not inspired of God who owns all knowledge

GreatAchiever1:
■ Some of what you wrote can be explained if one can spot out the discrepancy between the two, however for others there are difference and this can be due to copyist error.
Because God inspired every book of the Bible firsthand, the original manuscripts were error-free. But as the Hebrew manuscripts were transmitted from one generation to the next, a few copyist mistakes found their way into them and this could be due to an ink smear, a wrinkle, or a tear on one copy, as photocopying machine and printing press hasn't yet been invented.
However, the Bible is still as authoritative now as it was when it was first penned. God's Word is eternal, even in the event of a typographical error. We can put all of our faith on the Bible to be God's word to us.

You claimed the book contains no errors but here we have shown that it in fact has errors, even if you claim those errors were made copyists. Unless you have that 2000-or-so year old Scripture which you assume has no copyist errors of any kind in it, don't you think now that your original claim regarding the book in your hand today should be revised. Afterall it is a lie to claim it is without her error book.

GreatAchiever1:
■ There is no change nor contradiction, the text here is a believing spouse with an unbelieving spouse, a different situation but with the same teaching.

Jesus Christ's teachings that concern those who are married can be summed up thus:

● Marriage is not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 38
● Remarriage after a divorce may amount to sin depending on the conditions that precipitated the divorce - Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32, Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9, Mark 10 vs 10- 12, Luke 16 vs 18, Matthew 19 vs 12

Under which of the above do you then consider what you claim Paul said to the marriage man and his supposed unbelieving spouse falls under?

GreatAchiever1:
■ How do they contradict?
■ It is evident throughout the bible but let me tell you so you can see what I mean. In most bible there is a reason why there are footnote texts in almost every verse; it's not for fancy, but an example of how scripture can interprete scripture.
■ Why was the text written by the Prophets of God regarded as Old Testament scripture?

Let's be sure we have the dictionary meaning of the word to work with here.

con·tra·dic·tion

a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.

So to answer your question, when two ideas oppose each other, there you have a contradiction.

2. I don't read scripture with footnotes. So, please provide an unambiguous explanation of what you said earlier about Scripture interpreting Scripture.

3. Because the Prophets and the information they sent were provided in the context that is the Old Covenant/Testament Law of Moses?

GreatAchiever1:
Proof.

The following errors are found in the same book which you claim is without error.

■ In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
* Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

■ How many fighting men were found in Judah?
* Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

■ God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
* Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
* Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

■ How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
* Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
* Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

■ How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
* Eighteen (2 Kings 24:
* Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

■ How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
* Three months (2 Kings 24:
* Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

■ The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
* Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:
* Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

■ When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
* After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
* Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

■ How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
* Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
* Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

■ When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
* One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
* Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

■ How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
* Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
* Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

SIRTee15:
■ If Jesus Christ is not the master of those of the old testament, why did he call himself Lord of the Sabath ?

Jesus Christ regarding Himself the Lord of the Sabbath adds or changes nothing to the Old Law of Moses. Why? Jesus Christ in Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 - declared that He has come to give rest(Sabbath) to those who are weary and heavy-laden. In John 6 vs 25- 35 He declared that His followers will no longer work for food that perishes but instead for food that endures to eternity meaning every day will be a Sabbath day for them. That Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath changes absolutely nothing of that declared in the Constitutional Law that God gave to the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan.

SIRTee15:
■ Show me where Jesus said he didn't come to CHANGE the law. Bring the bible verse here
U will just be forcing words I to Jesus mouth anyhow.

WOW... you are not even aware that it is a sin for any man to change God's Law? yikes!

Zaheertyler:
■ God is in each man. Just as Christ said his truth because he wanted you and I to be free
You too can say your truth . It's all about raising the vibration of our earth

So, this God let each man create for his own self and in his own image an idol to worship and somehow this one God accepts all of those idols nonetheless? Are you certain you have ever read up about the God of Israel and His Son Jesus Christ? Again, something tells me you just like to hear yourself talk up a storm of dust and nothing more.

GreatAchiever1:
■ How does it contradict? Explain.

Jesus Christ declaring His Word everlasting means no man has power or authority to add or remove or change any of that which He declared. He is God's Law after all. And it is against God to add, change, or remove from His Law. According to you, Paul extended(changed) that which Jesus Christ previously declared to include His ideas. So, do you not see how what you accuse Paul of doing stands in direct violation of Jesus Christ?

GreatAchiever1:
■ Infallible in simple terms means without error.
■ And no the bible doesn't contradict but explain itself.
■ Scripture interprets scripture, it doesn't contradict itself.
■ So hence according to you and some others; Scripture includes the Old Testament and the Gospels.

1. But there are records in the book which are of obvious error. So, how can you claim that the book is without error if there are erroneous recordings contained in it?

2. The book itself does not speak but the characters in the various books are recorded to have contradicted the Word of God on several occasions. So how can it be said that there are no contradictions contained within the pages of the book then?

3. Scripture interprets Scripture? What in the world does that even begin to mean? Could you be less ambiguous in the claims you make so I can better understand you abeg?

4. Not according to me but according to what we know of the time in question. Paul's letters were included in the compilation that is your bible at least 2 hundred years after he wrote his letter to Timothy and the churches. When Paul wrote his letter to Timothy, what he regarded scripture obviously did not include his letters.

Zaheertyler:
Truth is personal OP I can read the bible and have a particular truth from it You can too and have a particular truth from it
But regardless it should be something that raises the vibration of the collective and leads others to personal freedom

No wonder in the religion of Christianity alone there are over 47,000 sects/denominations with their versions of truth(idols), all of which fall short when compared to the Truth of God Himself, Jesus Christ as recorded in Scripture. Na wa oo!

References:
“They are suspected to have died from Acute Viral Hemorrhagic Fever (VHF). This followed the management of a patient with febrile illness thought to have been the index patient with the disease 10 days ago, having presented with a febrile illness”, the memo stated.

Strange disease with a known name?

GreatAchiever1:
Nobody is saying that the Apostle Paul or any other Apostle chosen by God is infallible. What we are saying is that the bible itself is infallible and inerrant. The words of Apostle Paul and others written in the Scriptures are written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit -rejecting them is rejecting God.
No one except Jesus is infallible because no one lived a righteous life without sin.

Your Bible is infallible yet it contains contradictory idea after idea? Do you even begin to understand what the word Infallible means?

P.S. Paul, in his letter to Timothy, did not say that your bible is infallible. Rather, what Paul said is that every word in Scripture that predates His letters, by the way, is inspired by God who owns all knowledge of Good and Evil. Those words do not mean the same things at all.

GreatAchiever1:
■ Have you tried to understand why an Apostle will say such. The context is about marriage and in the case of verse 12, divorce. Now what did Jesus teach about divorce, Mt. 5:32; 19:9; Mk. 10:11; Lu. 16:18. Paul here is extending this to an unbelievable spouse, this does not mean it's his own personal opinion. This is something that is in line with what Christ taught on divorce and him (Paul) acknowledges that he teaches under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as he closes the subject matter on 1 Cor 7: 40.

So basically Paul added words into the EVERLASTING WORD of Jesus Christ which pertains only to those who are born-again for those who are not?

And somehow that which is against/contradicts Jesus Christ —changing His Everlasting WOrd to include that which Jesus Christ never allowed to begin with — is in line with Jesus Christ? Why is it that religion is ever saying the most illogical of things yet expecting people to accept it as being of God?

Yusuf54:
I think it was founded by Apostle Paul

Christianity wasn't founded by Jesus Christ nor by Paul. Rather, it was founded by dubious individuals in the circle who, looking at Judaism as a model, decided to not only hijack the moment but create for themselves an avenue by which to harness the power and wealthy potential of the belief.

SIRTee15:
■ Not interested in your long epistle filled with lack of sound doctrines and principles. Keep it for your gullible members u fill with lies and can't question it. We are bereans here. If U are adding words and context for jesus statement, we can do the for Paul's statement. Paul referring to himself as father or John calling his followers little children could mean mentor, role model, father-figure, guardian etc. that could be the context. Why this hard for u to understand is what I can't comprehend. All your false doctrines and fake believe will not negate the great contribution Paul made to Christian theology and christology of Jesus.

I am not in the mood for this unintelligent yammering abeg!

I already showed how Paul himself made clear that the context of his letters was Jesus Christ, and the same Jesus Christ by way of His Constitutional Law for the Kingdom of God revealed that He alone is Master to those in the Kingdom of God — of course, Jesus Christ could not have been master to those of the Old Law of Moses. This ain't rocket science. And in the same Kingdom of God, there is only one Father overall, the Father in Heaven, and no other as Father. Jesus Christ also said. And this the same Jesus Christ who proclaimed that those who love Him among His followers are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Seems you have nothing else to offer so let others engage abeg!

SIRTee15:
■ All this long shalaye is not necessary. Jesus said do not call anyone on earth Father. Simple. If U had call anyone on earth Father then U are guilty of breaking jesus commandment If U have ever referred to yourself as father to someone here on earth, U are as guilty as Paul U condemning. Making exegesis and talking about context for jesus but denying Paul same makes no sense to anybody except u.

I call on you to engage your brain when you reason these things please.

Jesus Christ said He did not come to change or abolish the Law which existed in the land at the time. Meaning that even though He came to give new commandments, that commandment had to have no impact on existing Laws in the land. Do you know how He was able to do this? He taught His followers that a separation existed - Two different Nations were in play, each Law belonging to the other or the other. The Old Law pertained to the context that was the Nation of Judah/Israel in the land of Canaan, whereas the New Law/Covenant which He brought to His followers only applied to those who were born-again hence of the Kingdom of God. He lived in submission to the existing Law at the time in question but He gave to His followers — those who are of the Kingdom of God which He brought to them — the other Law to live by. And both Laws are Eternal Laws.

Jesus Christ's rule to His followers applies only to those who belong in the Kingdom of God. That much is made abundantly clear in His teachings that even a gnat would not miss it. So, this attempt by your person to feign ignorance of the basics of the Kingdom of God — a Kingdom that is not of this world — does not do your case any good.

P.S. If, as you claim, I am as guilty as Paul, then it means I am equally guilty of sin against Jesus Christ as well and would immediately repent so that I continue instead in submission and obedience rather than disobedience(sin). But what you will never get me to say is that the Word of Jesus Christ is to be diminished to raise me from my guilt. I will never throw the truth of God, Jesus Christ, under the bus as you lot do so freely, all so you can raise a man above Jesus Christ.

Abdulgaffar22:
■ Yet there are some Christians who insist that Qur'an is a book of lies and deception simply because it rejects Jesus crucifixion (Qur'an 4:157-158), the foundation upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected. However, when you read and understand the major problems associated with doctrine of sin atonement through Jesus crucifixion, then you will realize the reason why Qur'an must reject Jesus crucifixion if the book is really what it claims to be; i:e the word of God. These major problems are explained below.
■ Condemnation of an innocent and righteous soul for the sins he has never committed is illogical and act of injustice that is clearly forbidden in the Bible (Matthew 12:7, Proverb 17:15, Exodus 23:7, Psalm 34:22). Besides, Bible make it clear that any one that is crucified is accursed by God ( Galatians 3:13). How are we to conceive a merciful God putting His beloved prophet under His curse when God of course knew Jesus never did anything wrong? To raise a more controversial question, if it’s true that God’s justice must be appeased by sacrificing his own innocent Son, then don’t we have to conclude that pagans who have throughout history sacrificed their children to appease their gods had the right intuition ?

No book claims to be the Word of God though. Scripture is itself not the Word of God. Rather, the one who claimed to be the Word of God — the Word out of God's very own mouth — is Jesus Christ, the one whose crucifixion and resurrection you reject.

2. So, your approach is to condemn Jesus Christ by way of a faulty doctrine that is foreign to Scripture itself, that is your approach?

Abdulgaffar22:
Despite the the fact that ; on the authority of Holy Qur'an 1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth (Qur'an21:91)
3. Muslims believe in the all the miracles performed by Jesus during his earthly ministry (Qur'an 5:110) .
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus'2nd coming toward the end of the world (Qur'an 43:57-61)

Muslims do not believe in Jesus Christ. Rather they believe stories they have been told about it. Jesus Christ said those who believe in Him obey His teachings and commandments, something no Muslim would ever be caught dead doing. Jesus Christ said His Words are everlasting — Unchanging — meaning that no man has power on earth or beyond to change anything He had declared or said. And since Jesus Christ made clear that He was sent by His Father, the God of Israel, only to the Lost sheep of Israel, it makes no difference what a Muslim who does not follow Jesus Christ thinks of the person of Jesus Christ.