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Really?

Uneducated you say? What then do you make of this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW-tHypvvxM

Honestly, you need to shut your mouth rather than open it and come out with putrid fallacies. It is better for you to keep schtum than open you dirty mouth and take away all doubt that you are indeed stup1d and an arrant fool!

Another one for you, ode!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEsJNRW-3XQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77MmZGlM-Qk

ndu_chucks: The above is a bunch of crap! This ancient manuscripts that contain these secrets were privately revealed to you ko? LWKMD Show us the manuscripts, we will not accept your deception on its face.




I dey laugh o.

The reason for the poverty of babalawos is that they are essentially uneducated, without marketable skills, and most are illiterates. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but what I said is true of those babalawos I saw and spoke with from Abeokuta to Ibadan, to Oyo to Ijebu and beyond.

Mayor_of_Lagos: Esu is a hidden wholeness.

An experience has a co-joined hidden aspect which together creates a wholeness, they co-exist and move together.

No experience is permanent. If a person is stuck in an undesirable state for too long, its because they have unconsciously blocked the opposite aspect of that undesirable state, which otherwise should bring in the desired aspect, and by giving an offering their Ori is placated to open the way for the other aspect to manifest and complete the cycle or wholeness.

Dont be afraid of Esu, dont fight him, dont block him but embrace him.

Willingly or unwillingly, you are bound to encounter him.

Mo taka osi danu!

Mi o ni resu!

ndu_chucks: How convenient of you! You don't have any problem with issuing rebuttals with up to 8 bulleted items when you are challenged on this same thread, but you now want me to go and read a whole book before you will answer my very simple question to you. If you have no real knowledge of Ifa, there is nothing shameful about making an admission.

The vast majority of 'authentic' babalwos and Ifa priests are illiterates and very unsophisticated. Trust me, I've travelled far and wide within the SW and these people are outright dumb, sorry to say (most of them still believe that anything that goes up must come down due to gravity - mumus). You have an opportunity to summarize the Ifa philosophy for us and i will not accept the cop out that one has to be Yoruba to understand. So lets have it, educate us please.

You are very very stupid for labelling the custodians of our culture and heritage not to talk of religion, dumb.

Aja lo ma je enu buruku to fi sosokuso yen!

Omo ti o niran!

All this talk about esu is scaring me o.

You have just gained a follower!

Thank you so much for speaking my mind and for not being partisan.

You said it beautifully when you said and I quote: "The reason is "our ability to self-evaluate, self-criticize and self-regulate".".

With Yorubas like you around on this forum, there is hope that we would get a balanced argument at intervals even though members like you are very few and far between.

Thank you for your critical analysis.

lastpage: Thank you for your post jare.
I am Yoruba, l dont give a hoot about any political party or personality-followership and l an NOT a beneficiary of neither the 40-Laptop nor the 40-iPad! I have been using a computer since those days when they only come along as a dumb terminal and weigh a ton on your "special table".

You can call me any name you like, l no send.
If l see what l think is wrong or needs further attention, l will say it wella.
I dont follow the crowd or pledge "blind allegiance" to anything or anybody,.... not even to my tribal brothers.
That is why l am Yoruba! .... and l must say that some of us are not living up to the billing in our recent discussions.

Granted, some Ndigbo will criticize and try to rubbish anything that has its origins in Lagos/Yoruba or even APC (OPC? ) but then, like l always say, "we must never forget who we are" nor forget why we are always a cut above the rest.

The reason is "our ability to self-evaluate, self-criticize and self-regulate".

We "improve and refine" in all these criticisms and l expect most of my brothers here to learn to take criticisms, even when you "honestly" consider it unjustified, .......in your stride.
But there are also "honest criticisms" which YOU might not be aware of and the fact that it comes from an "Igbo-hater" (as you often label it) is not enough reason to ignore it, gloss-over it or deny it outrightly!

For example, looking at the population demographics of Lagos state, l will honestly expect the govt to make "mass transit options", its priority .... and to START such mass transit projects, in areas where there are more people (numerically) so that even more of the masses will feel the benefit of such projects.

Mind you, l am not saying that if you locate such projects in Ikoyi or lekki, that there wont be users/customers for it; my point is that it benefits more people, who actually need it most, as they have no "better alternative" ....(compared to affluent people of Lekki and Ikoyi who probably have three cars parked in their compound and rarely commute long distance to their homes, from work)... ..
if "low income and densely populated areas" of the state take priority in the location of such projects.

Now, l understand that "private initiative projects are strictly FOR PROFIT" and if a user from Lekki can conveniently pay #100 to use the service, his counterparts from Mushin, Ikorodu, Bariga or Makoko might not be able to afford more than #50 for the same service thus, a profit oriented private investor would make his choice wisely!
But then, this is where "responsible and responsive governance" comes into play.
Government has a duty not just to the rich but even more to the poor. It is a social responsibility and it is not uncommon in "sane climes" for Govt to partly fund a project in order to make it locate to a particular "low-yield area" where it would benefit the "numerically-larger, masses".

Some have been quick to point out that some "masses-oriented projects" have been slow or seem abandoned, in favor of "for-profit and elitist-location projects" in Ikoyi, V.I and Lekki axis.
Well, facts on the ground seem to support this assertion and what l expect any "omoluabi" to do is examine this critically (for example, the badagry road under construction, inland waterways transport, pipe borne water, e.t.c. dont even get me started about the state of our BRT System!) and either adduce intelligent reasons on why they appear stalled/stopped or proffer reasons why they could not be completed/initiated as expected.

Instead, what we get is a lot of rancid and foul-mouthed abuse at anyone who dares raise a divergent opinion like we are all supposed to subscribe to the 40-Laptop/i-Pad sheep mentality! Very un-Yorubaic!

That Lagos is miles above most, if not all other Nigerian states is as obvious as daylight, especially most states in the East of Nigeria and l can understand when some (Yorubas) ask them to "remove the lump from their eyes before pointing out the gnat form the eyes of others".

In essence, they are saying "do you criticize your own Governors, who are doing virtually nothing in your state, the way you descend on Fashola and Lagos"? Thus, l will admonish our Igbo brothers to let 'charity begin at home' ....without neglecting the outside as well.
Let us see the "fairness" in your criticism.

We all travel to the East, irrespective of whether you are Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa and we use those "death traps" and erosion riddled roads in the East. What are Igbos doing about this? What are you doing about your Governors that come to "spend weekend in Lagos or Abuja" while leaving their people in abject poverty? Do l see you criticizing them openly as you do Fashola and Lagos?

let us all be objective and redefine our criticisms, let is not be "ethnic based" or based on a "we against them" mentality as this is what the politicians want ...and take advantage-of.

Always remember, bad roads in the East dont kill Igbos alone, plane crash in Lagos dont kill Yorubas alone neither does Boko Haram in the North, killing Northerners alone. Our dilapidated educational and health sector affects all our kids, (Yoruba,Igbo and Hausa) so why should any of us keep quiet if we see and think it needs addressing?

We may "go on a yabbis galore" at ourselves but in the end, we are still "Brothers and Sisters"!
We can disagree heatedly but we should let reason prevail at the end of the day!

****Waiting for the flaks*****

Lastpage!

rozayx5: Fashola and Tinubu will never complete a Project unless they have a share in it, am happy after his 8 years in office, and all the hype about him the "Messiah" of the SW and yoruba went abroad for a common Knee treatment,leaving the common Lagosian to LASU teaching hospital --- what makes him different from PDP, and they call themselves the hope of Nigeria
Rubbbisshhh

Indeed, indeed!

Tinubu had the cheek to lambast the aviation sector (although rightly so) for not giving opportunities to professionals to manage the sector. The irony and dare I say hypocrisy of it all is that he clearly does not believe in the Nigerian medical professionals to treat his bad knee; he had to run off to the west to obtain treatment.

As per the subject in contention, Fashola realising the operation of the cable cars is a laudable achievement but as someone queried earlier, how far has he gone in delivering his promises on the rails, the ports and Badagry?

We want to know

gregg2: Bunch of greedy criminals

1) Where is the Lekki International Airport he promised us will be ready by December 2012?

2) What about the Lekki Seaport?

3) Where are the trains we were told he ordered from Canada since 2011?

4) Why is he abandoning the much hyped Lagos - Badagry expressway that he lobbied Fed Govt to handover to him?

5) Why is a state like Lagos still without portable pipeborne water?

Well, these are crucial questions that require honest answers. Even though the op is a known critic of all things progress from the Yorubas, nevertheless let's shoot the message and not the messenger.

Any rebuttals?

KINGwax: iyalaje has alwys been by influence, wealth, and not election. What are u people ranting abt?
As a yoruba entity, u shld knw dt the post of iyalaje is a political appointment where the King decides who presides over the office.

And if the interest of the market will be considered, then who else will be a better option to bring influence and govt attention?

She has been in the market since d days of her mother. She is a trader that has travelled far and wide. This is not a matter of age.

In abeokuta, the iyaloja was a toung rich lady, and the iyalaje was alaba lawnson who doesn't even av a market. This was even years back!

We need to be informed.

Are you trying to insult my intellect? Oh, you must suppose that I am as daft as you not to be able to decipher democratic rule from the autocratic rule of the monarchy, abi? Don't even start with me, otherwise i'd eat you like sharwarma.

Listen, no one is asking that Akiolu go through a democratic process to install her who he deems fit to be installed as the iyaloja but it is equally prepostrous and smacks of nepotism that for the among the number of traders that have been trading for almost as long as the previous iyaloja, the "king" only saw fit to install the daughter of a very influential political figure while hiding under the excuse that the new iyaloja being the daughter of the previous, had learnt the ropes from her grandma and because she is wealthy. What rubbish is that? Is it that there are no other wealthy, far more experienced and older market women to take up that task?

I am not really surprised by the reasoning of a lot of you, anyway. When we look deeply, we see that you lot do not even have a stake in Lagos and really, everything goes for you so long as such nepotism is not practised in your states.

Rubbish!

Demdem:
Don't give a damn about ACN. The decision is the kings not ACN. Deal with that.
Oba Akiolu has always been an honourable man that lagosians respect no matter ur political stance.

which stupid king is that? The same one that take counsel from Tinubu on how to run his kingdom. No matter how much icing sugar you choose to dress this up with, it does nothing to take away from the fact that not only is tinubu politically influential in the matter of the west, he is also meddling with our traditional government. He is the monarchy and his greed is what will ultimately lead to his demise, mark this day down.

He would be brought down whether through shame or death!

That he "delivered" you from the PDP means that you should now lose your sense of reasoning?

By making Afam and ike moderators, Seun just made oam4j's work a little harder.

You mods keep apologising.

Why don't you try and get it right for once!

olawalebabs: This thread is simply for COMPLAIN. COMPLAIN, I mean to COMPLAIN.

ok, ok, ok...

Rossikk: You are a Slave to the British. They have no right to talk rubbish about corruption in Nigeria when their own record with regard to Nigeria stinks to high heaven. That is the point. Even without checking, I'm 100 percent certain that Alams did 100 times more for that region he governed than any British govt did when they ruled the place.

Okay, I see that you are clearly a fan of Alams.

Shame!

I'm out!

I support your stance, Rossik and agree in totality with your arguments so long you are not trying to absolve Alams of wrong doing or trying to justify his criminality with that of Britain.

Ignore those calling you racist as clearly, they are benefiting from the British government themselves one way or the other.

Stick to your guns and do not be deterred by the mobs trying to shout you down.

Passed out?

Did they collapse?

Hope they have been resuscitated o.

GAR3TH: Exactly, you just proved my point. That APC doesn't care about developing Nigeria, they only seem to care about winning the next election. That is the exact same thing PDP has been doing all these years. They rather go with popularity (buhari)than people who have merits like the other numerous APC members.

give an example of a member who is more meritorious.

djustice: Your stupidity is breathtaking. Your first sentence demonstrates that succintly. Have you actually ever read the constitution? Amushua buruku. Dada ndindin, oponu tofoshi! Shiooorrr!

Ki la gbe, ki lo ju? Oro yi n bi mi?

Okay, refute my standing and show me where it says so clearly in the constitution.