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IDENNAA:
You don't seem like someone who will do well in critical thinking question, because you see everything in black and white .....Otondo

Blind telling the man with two eyes � he cannot see.

Only here we such ludicrous nonsense.

mostob:
Maybe his agent didn't do his work properly.

He should go employ Choupou-Moting's agent. He will get better club.

You can't sell bad market even to fools.

charlesemeka85:
performing in lowly rated Croatian league doesn’t mean em don arrive

Awaziem by now suppose to dey play for atleast the French ligue 1, bundesliga or even Belgian top flight

Even playing for any of the Scottish giants Celtic or rangers will be far better than in hadjuk at this stage of his career in europe

He played a complete season with Nantes 2017/18 , players, coaches and fans all saw him.

But at the end of the season nobody in the whole of French league one, nobody valued him enough to buy him. I wonder WHY ❓

I remember he played against PSG and against Neymar he was playing as a RB, he got turned inside out and got a yellow card for his efforts.

Somehow he was described by the delusional praise singers here, as having pocketed Neymar.

Danielnino00:
I,just like many others here we're disappointed in him moving go Croatia, but his performance so far has been awesome...Some "lion in a small league" thingy.... I wonder if Komekn would acknowledge that in the future or disregard it with his "for context, the Scottish league is rated on the same level as the English league one....bla bla...."

When you as a player throughout your career of 7 years plus keep dropping to much lower and less competitive league.

It's not progression but an outright sign of poor quality and limited attributes. You then go to a lower league and are doing averagely well it's not progression, you have essentially found your LEVEL.

Put in context that the league is rated near 20 then a Lion in a lowe League and club is no longer applicable.

Joebie:
For two good seasons you were MIA when Sadiq was a Lion in the lower league oh.

It's not tenable, he had already been playing for an inconsequential 5 years across Europe.

Ends up in the Segundo division and does very well, is it because the league is poor and he has found relevance in this poor quality league. Or is there true progression, l really don't know.

He is in the much better La Liga, a much better test of his supposed ability, only time will tell.

Unfortunately, he is injured it's an ACL horrific injury pray he gets well soonest .

TheSuperNerd:
Yeah you do that now, but I'm pretty sure you would have left it that way if I didn't pick up on it.

Actually it's pedantic , because I qualified my position with the word ARGUABLY, although this is very common place diction. It seems you don't understand the meaning and or context in which it is presented.

It essentially means that it is open to be debate and that he is one of the best Midfielders in the world, depending on your perspective.

But like a red flag to be a bull, you couldn't restrain yourself from indulging in unnecessary CONTENTION.

Your ego is out of control, you are the only one that knows "Dr to know"

TheSuperNerd:
Jude Bellingham isn't "arguably" the best MF in the world. Not even close.

Best MFs in the world right now? We have several ahead of him. So whether Arguably or Unarguably, he doesn't get a mention for now.

Bellingham isn't even the best young midfielder in the world. That title belongs to Pedri.

Get your head out of the Queen's ass. She's dead already!!!

Ive amended my post with the word YOUNG, an error of omission.

charlesemeka85:
Aston villa’s Tim Irogbunam on loan to Queens Park Rangers looks promising. Very tidy on the ball, good tackler, passer and ball carrier. One to keep an eye on

In all honesty there are several boys like him across academies in EPL and the Championship.

Been quite amazed at Jobe Bellingham , younger brother of arguably world's best YOUNG midfielder Jude Billingham.

He is getting interest from all the top clubs he has already started playing on the Championship. And winning U18 accolades for England.

I don't know any other second tier where outstanding players are courted by the top teams in European football.

And there are quite a few Nigerian boys in this league looking good.

Utonwanne:

Whatever you do or have worked is largely insignificant in the subject matter.

Football is simply business and buying/selling of players is anchored on Probability - 'believe and hopefulness'. That's reason Barcelona spent approx 300 Million on Griezman, Cotinho and Authur.

Your 'informed decision' is not absolute.

Like you said; I could tell you more but there's no need.

You deviate from the core subject area, dramatically.

What's the contention, the quality or lack of quality within the Segundo division.

So if an individual has subject specific proffessional and academic qaualfications anchored with front end participative experience in football. That according to you is inconsequential. CHEI !!!

Wow your sense of reasoning is baffling, Its now apparent that you have no idea.

But I don't want to deviate like you. On the three occasions that Manchester city U23 , played lower league clubs some in league 2, this year they got flogged.

That trend resonates with all the EPL PL2 Academy teams there has been the odd victory. But 90% of the time PL2 academy teams get beat by League 1&2 teams. That's consistent, continuous past and present over several seasons.

Manchester city is on the top of the EPL PL2 , arguably the best team.

Wolverhampton Wanderers FC U23 are near the bottom of the EPL PL2 table, a few months ago this struggling team played Villa Real B, they got beat narrowly 2-1.

So how did you arrive at the conclusion that PL2 teams will thrive in the Championship ❓ what is your rational ❓❓

My substantive view remains the Segundo division is considerably lower than the Championship and the larger majority of teams would be in English League two .

Utonwanne:
Ebeto is simply not good enough!

He has always been average at best

If Oghene -Karo Etebo is average then what does that make the rest of the team

Etebo was at our last world cup one of the most outstanding performers if not the top performer in midfield.

Utonwanne:
Let's say it's all down to policies but I still believe if EPL 2 teams are allowed to compete, Mancity and Chelsea -U23 teams will likely find their way up to Championship. It will even help top teams to retain some of their best young talents due to the fact that they will be playing in 2nd tier.

This is what I Strongly believe but no need to drag this further. Make we disagree to agree abi agree to disagree or anyhow dem dae talk am

The difference between me and you .

You BELIEVE, but what's your belief anchored on ❓❓

I KNOW and my Informed decision is based on 15 years of participative involvement with English football.

Add to that I've been to thousands of coaching sessions primarily with English football league clubs. Can't count how many youth games I've been to at youth level both in the UK and Europe.

I could go on and on, l could tell you more , but there is no need.

charlesemeka85:
bro epl u21 teams will struggle big time if incorporated to the the English 2nd tier

Not saying they won’t be able t win couple of matches but it will tough for them to survive the rigors of the championship and may be relegated to league one

The likes of edozie, lavia and co you mentioned are exceptional talents and too good for u21 football which is the main reason they left age grade football for that of men

Clubs snapping few talents from the u21 league doesn’t imply the youth league teams will strive when incorporated to the championship. Few players from the system will but not the teams

Thank you .

I don't think people understand how physically taxing and challenging the Championship is.

I thought that my once preferred number 1 Midfielder Etebo would rip the Championship and on a express highway to the EPL. But it didn't happen not sure why.

charlesemeka85:
Chai I just remembered Jordan Ibe now

Jordan lbe was an excellent player.

However, after his move to Bournemouth something happened not sure what. But his mental health has gone down , from depression to real mental health.

It's not something I can explain it goes beyond football. He is a shadow of his former self off and on the pitch.

Utonwanne:
Stop seeing football as arithmetic.

I don't know why you always like using this kind of highly flawed analogy of ;

Team A played Team B , Team B won Team C and therefore, Team A is better than Team C. It's more ridiculous owing to the fact you only use them when it's in the favour of UK leagues.

For example, Chelsea lost to a Croatian team and S. Donesk beat Leipzip like a thief. Napoli disgraced Liverpool and Brugge Bossed Atletico Madrid. I could go on.... It doesn't mean that the aforementioned winners are better.

I still maintain that Mancity U-23 Chelsea U-23 will be a mainstay if they are allowed to compete in Championship. Most of them always perform well in Championship when given opportunities. From Mouth, Tomori, Abraham, Solanke, etc

Some of them even slot easily into lower EPL teams... Just use S'ampton as an example -Lavia, Juan, Livramento, Edozie, etc. These guys will give Championship wahala.

It's not surprising your response.

I went into great detail to substantiate my opinion.

I didn't give you an opinion based on mathematical probability but a measurement of quality. I gave you the statistics based player individual assessment.

I want further to show you how the top Academy Mamchester city got beat by every League one and two club they faced. However,that didn't resonate with you .

Let me add something in every EPL academy at any one given time they are not looking at more that 4/5 boys as EPL Quality and potential. The rest are just making up the numbers. They will eventually find themselves in the lower leagues. And in majority of cases outside of football. Thats a substantive fact not opinion.

So what you see at the EPL clubs is the cream of the crop. Some academies are much more successful at it than others. For instance Chelsea and Arsenal.

But like a lot of our people we dont want facts and objective appraisal we want emotive preference. Otherwise our upcoming election should have been declared a " NO CONTEST " two geriatric thieves with clear health deficiencies blinded with corruption against a man who has clear OBI-dient eyes � to see.

The standard of Segundo division is so low , that La Liga youth academy teams can compete and be competitive.

Your arithmetic is flawed and not based on any substance just sentimental preference.

Utonwanne:
As much as I agree that the quality of the Championship is better than that of Segunda, I totally disagree with your point about Villarreal B.
The reason why they are there is due to the existing rules which permits the Primera reserve team to compete in Segunda and I dare say they are good.

EPL L2 teams like Man city U-23 or Chelsea will be a mainstay in the Championship if given such permission.

You don't have to believe me.

But I've had a lot of involvement with EPL youth academies.

None of them including the top of the league Manchester city will survive in the Championship none of them will have dominance in League one infact they will get relegated.

Most of the players are U18 , have not played hard tackling men's intensely competitive football. In addition less than 10% will play in the EPL, then barely 17% will become regulars in the Championship.

Remember Arsenal striker Chuba Akpom great at youth level but never able transit to first team football. So many opportunities now in Greece. Do you know Jerome Sinclair, Liverpool FC youngest player to play for Liverpool FC, couldn't make the transition he is a at age 26 a free agent after failing in the Bulgarian league.

I've taken a screenshot shot of results showing EPL academy teams getting flogged by League one clubs.

Villa Real played Wolves U23 Academy team and they beat them 2-1 in hotly contested game, Wolves are at the bottom end of the EPL L2. That should give you perspective.

Liverpool FC U19 just flogged Ajax 4-0 watched it up close and personal. IMO opinion most league two teams will flogg them with raw koboko. Don't dismiss the league two.

A few years ago Newport county beat Leicester city 2-1 that are in league two. A month ago or thereabouts Crawley Town( league 2) beat Fulham FC in the FA Cup. A good number of these players are on loan from EPL clubs,like James Belaghezi IMO best player in Liverpool FC academy better than Harvey Elliott.

Having this mind and putting matters into context what do you think would happen to Villa Real B in League two ❓

Amedino99:
IMO he doesn't really hate them. You see ehn what he is doing is clearly retaliation. The dude has come under a lot of criticism for his English centered opinions in which he will downgrade leagues non English born Nigerians players outside the shores of england just to elevate the status of English Nigerian players in the championship. Most of those his players have not really been playing well so naturally the long arm of the thread's vawulence really dealt with him. The height of it was during fulham's last time in the EPL before this season. There was a Nigerian player he used to hype here who unfortunately flunked. I can't place the guys name but the way members here went hard on the player was so strong. Since then he has taken a relaxed posture on promoting his preferred players here and prefers to be on the attacking mode this time blasting nwakali with every given opportunity. You may notice that most times if he is asked to mention players better than nwakali in the championship he would use Grammar to avoid mentioning players.

Your entire entire write is anchored on negative assumption, ignorant perception, disinformation and misinformation you are badly misguided.

Some facts ,

√Premier League is the best and most competitive
league in the world.
√ The championship is the highest earning second tier league in the world. It goes without saying it's the best.
√ l have no apologies, I have long standing participative interest in English football, therefore my knowledge base is English centered. No apologies.
√ By association I know a good number of English Nigerian players personally including Nigerian players like Awoniyi.

Your going back in time, let's have a history lesson, English Nigerian players not playing well that I have mentioned: Tomori, Tega, Ademola, Aribo, Adarabioyo, Carney Chuks, Oviemuno,Adebayo, etc

Players l haven't talked about for 2/3 seasons some even longer, Fred Onyedinma, Dominic Iorfa, Tega Onomah, Chuks Aneke, Moses Odubanjo, Seyi Ojo, etc

All these players showed promise but haven't in my opinion stepped up to the mark to the quality level needed for the SE. No excuses but a reality of football, injuries.

Aneke once hailed as the new Yaya Toure by Arsene Wenger, he had better stats than Joe Aribo in league one scoring 15 goals and same number of assists in Charlton athletic. But he is so injury prone he can barely play a season without injury. I haven't talked about in a long time.

Others had injury like Dominic he was on the verge of a move to Newcastle but injury took him out. He is finding his way back in league one. His team third in the league and he is playing regularly. Don't think he's good enough IMO.

Tega had some injuries lost his position to, l think to a better Anguissa at Fulham. Showed a lot of promise but he's not been playing regularly and is a bench warmer. Will move to Championship in January, most likely unless by a miracle he does something incredible. Haven't talked about him for over two seasons. He may play a full game next week Chalobah is red carded but such is the quality at the new Fulham.

If you notice I talk about players I know . I've known Tega since he was 15 at Tottenham he was the starboy then. Les Ferdinand, Chris Ramsey and Ehiogu ( RIP) were the U18 coaches then.

Most of these players I've seen up close and personal over time. Some from a distance. I don't get to see Nigerian players from the local league with the same regularity. Although l did look at Etebo in Warri Wolves years ago. I see a few across Europe when I go at least 6/7 times a year.

That it seems in your opinion is HATRED for Nigerian players❓

I don't like to clutch at straws, or cry over spilled Milk, I am not emotively nostalgic over players who are not performing. You simply move on its a very short term career and find the players who are in the HERE and NOW .

Let's compare all these players to Nwakali, all of them have done WAY BETTER than he has over the past 7 years without question.

None of them got relegated back to playing youth football as Nwakali did at Porto B. And having the indignity of being a bench warmer in a youth team.

None of them have had their contracts terminated prematurely or had to beg for a club to sign them. None of them is getting paid peanuts.

Nwakali will not survive in the hard working physically taxing league one not even league two. I may have felt these players are not good enough for the SE, but Nwakali is not better than any of them. If you make a comparison of their career progression of so far.

I being assumptive but it seems you alluded to Tega Onomah to have "flunked". Do you think Nwakali can smell the Fulham academy talk less the bench? Tega earns probably 25 X more than what Nwakali gets , that's over £30k a week , that's a great flunked career

Joebie:
You dey scrutinize players, you no go mention players make we too scrutinize. We need midfield reinforcement from the Championship or League one. Oya pls mention some. Abi u wan enter League Two, Oshare?

Oniovo

Before you begin to scrutinize , appraise and assess players, there has to be some benchmark, of quality capacity and ability anchored on comparison analysis.

There are always exceptions and room must be made for them. Thats why I rely on my long standing proposition; "Better a Lion in a low level league and club than a mouse in a top level club and league"


The premier League is the best and most competitive league in the world. And so somebody doing averagely will most likely be a lot better than someone in low level league doing above average.

Even my proposition must be taken with restraint, you could be the number one outstanding Midfielder in the NPFL but the standard could be so low that even an anonymous mouse could be considerably better than you a Lion in the NPFL.

Comparison analysis the quality of league and club comes into the question.

The background to our current trajectory is Nwakali and the low quality and competitiveness of the Segundo.

I've said this before and I will say it again without apology . In general the money you have will determine to a large extent the players you will get

The Segundo division has a about 5 clubs at the top end who have some degree of quality and the rest below that from low to very poor. A league where the Villa Real B team ( academy Youth team) is above mid table.

None of the EPL L2 ( U23 youth teams) can compete in the Championship and will not be able contend competitively in League one.

That says the league is poor quality. Nwakali has been generally poor throughout his professional career. He is doing averagely well in this poor quality league. Is this a sign of improvement ❓or rather hss hr found his mediocre level.

Consider that Joe Aribo went from league one to the SE and had been outstanding since. He is now in the EPL and doing well above average.

If we can consider Nwakali as good quality for the SE, we have lowered the benchmark. What then about the hundreds of Nigerian players across Europe in far better Leagues and clubs.

Indeed the players in a lot of EPL academies are therefore by comparison good enough to be considered for the SE

BannedLarge:
Why you hate these guys so much na?? Free them bro

Although the truth may be bitter to some it's not an act of HATRED to present an objective appraisal and state the truth.

Apologies if it's too bitter for you to drink.

Meliforme:
Athletico Madrid should have gone on to lose, if the match was never anything to reckon with.

Being top quality may not always translate to the zenith of endeavours. There are other requirements to it.

They cruised through the match in gear one no need to stress themselves.

It added nothing to them and they had nothing to prove.

Kog45:
Really appreciate Frank Lampard for believing in Iwobi.I remember how he changed very average Tomori to a real CB and Tammy will never forget Lampard for giving him the platform.

Tega had already made it as a quality striker by doing exceptionally well in the Championship.

Lampard only confirmed what everyone already knew,

mostob:
Fred Onyedinma better than Nwakali's past, present and future.
As in..the same Fred o

Nwakali don suffer sha.
What is even the difference between championship and La Liga second division?

I've already talked about the quality of the Segundo division from a measured objective perspective by comparison.

Meliforme:
What will you say about Kelechi Nwakali's performance in that friendly game Super Eagles had against Athletico Madrid.

This match took place over 4 years it was an inconsequential friendly match for Athletico Madrid.

That's the context.

If this match was of such great importance and quality ,then the players who participated, will have had a career boost. Will you agree❓

You would expect selection will be based on outstanding consistent exceptional performance.

That being the case Nwakali and Nwakali should have had serious progession by NOW. But Chidi Nwakali is now playing in Saudi Arabia and Kelechi Nwakali is in the doldrums of the Segundo division.

Not much more to say.

codemaniacs:
Okocha is one of the best Nigerian midfielders and he ended up playing for Bolton..
Mikel that was supposed to be a CAM was turned to a DM just to be in the starting eleven..

Our players especially CAMs or CMs no matter how good they are will never be rated high enough to be a top teams CAM in the top 5 leagues..

even Onyedika that we are praising now, If he moves clubs they can end up turning him into a defender...

Nwakali is not European so don't expect him to be highly rated...

Bissouma, Partey, Gueye, Amadou Onana, Kouyaté, Keita, all came from Australia and are white.

charlesemeka85:
if nwakali is half as good as lil gavi and pedri he won’t be in laliga 2

I am tired of this hypocritical double standard hysterical hype of a player who has done nothing.

Nwakali is playing for Ponferradina FC a bankruptcy struggling team with retired, free agents and poor quality players. He is has found his level

There is a reason he is in this poor division, and outstanding quality is not one of them. This is a league the Villa Real B team play in and they are quite a few levels above Ponferradina FC.

Villa Real B team is essentially a youth team that's thriving in a men's league. This gives us an insight into the general quality of the league. Undoubtedly there are some good teams but very few once you go beyond the the top five teams.

For example, Villa Real played Wolves U23 team ( academy Youth team) most of the boys will be under 19 some even 15. Wolves got beat 2-1. If Wolves U23 played a Championship team they would get flogged

All youth teams including Chelsea will get flogged by any Championship team. Get beat by most league one teams not all but most.

The mid table level Segundo teams are poor quality , I would place them at best league two to be generous but most likely much lower.

That gives us context about what quality of players you are competing with. Nobody would be gettin orgasmic about a player doing averagely well at youth football level. As many do about Nwakali here.

Many get offended about using monetary value to assess players quality. But there is an undeniable link between value and quality, you cannot get away from it. A club where the combined weekly wage bill is €37K divide the gross sum by a squad of 22 players and your talking real peanuts.

Many here were vociferous in denigrating a number of Nigerian origin players in the Championship and league one as well in EPL Academies as too poor quality for the SE. But find no problem in continuous unjustified praise for Nwakali. That's bigotry, double standard and shameless hypocrisy.

Let's highlight this hypocritical double standard and bigotry by comparison.

I haven't talked about Fred Onyedinma for at least three seasons as well as quite a few others. I felt he was not good enough, l still do not think he is good enough.

However, if you put him side by side with Nwakali and make a balanced scorecard analysis of sorts. You will find he will beat Nwakali on all fronts, past and present continuous.

If you put into the mix Ojo, Onomah, Oviemuno, Amos, and l could name 10 others like David Kasumu, Osho, Tella, Iroegbunam, Igbodaro,Hungbo, etc , etc You will find they are playing at higher standard than Nwakali and not begging for teams and or earnings peanuts.

I could name a host of EPL premier League academy players as well. I will like to remind many who have forgotten Iwobi played his first senior game for Nigeria when he had not played one game in the Premier League for Arsenal.

I've made a screen shot of PL2 which is essentially the EPL academy Youth teams and results they had against League one and two teams. Wolves is not one of the higher performing teams but had hotly contested match against Villa Real B team and lost 2-1.

My view it's only the players who are putting in top level consistently outstanding performances that should be given selection.

charlesemeka85:
English born Elijah Adebayo with a brace for championship side Luton town against huddlesfied

That's a terrific �� come back .

He had been struggling with injury for quite some time.

Last season he scored 16 goals or thereabouts in the Championship last season. This a league which is the most competitive second tier in Europe.

Maddison has been to outstanding today, should get the MOTM in my opinion.

hatakekakashi:
I don't know. Tell me

You clearly don't know that's why you opened your mouth and let everyone know, there are several missing gaps in your understanding.

Anyways don't worry check ✔️ your dictionary or Google it and see how inept you look.

KINGinVAHALA:
Because you actually don’t have sense to know what makes sense.
If you do, you won’t post that a player didn’t played well because his team lost.

I am lost for words or rather the lack of them

hatakekakashi:
Which Vardy? He hasn't been in the game since kick off. Maddison has been running things for them and scoring too.

I agree .

But what's a talisman ❓

Leicester led by their long standing talisman Vardy seem to have woken up from a coma .

It's now 3-0 and we are still in the first half.

Amazing, hopefully they will not throw it away in the be second half. This is an an absolute must win for Liecester City .

IDENNAA:
Do you have a brain malfunction or what? You are too dense ,abeg!

There are some very wise words from the infallible book that precedes time.

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

Your heart is so dark all that comes out is vitriolic, bitter acid rhetoric garnished with rancourous resentment and hatred.

I am sorry for you, you need redemption and deliverance.

Oh my goodness beyond all imagination and expectation.

Leicester have scored two goals against Nottingham Forest within 5 minutes of each other. This might there first win of the season.

Unfortunately Awoniyi was through on goal keeper beaten but hits the post.