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Odunayaw:
There's an acclimatization to the Nigerian battlefield they must undergo too. Anyway, let's wait and see.

Modify
I think the St-1 is from the same family of ZBL the Chadians Abi na Cameroonians use. But if the Sagaie were refurbished(not just painting o) it could complement.

Agreed without reservation.

We have an army engineering Corp.

When you retrofit your own RWS, FLIR and target acquisition soft Ware. You save yourself 75% of the cost of refurbishment.

It's not rocket science very straight forward stuff.

We can even upgrade the mine resistance by using cheap Indian steel.

Odunayaw:
Although I advocated this VT4 as far back as 2017 or so... IMHO we don't need it. Factor in training and competency time and how little an MBT will have on the battlefield, you just want to slap the red out of a General's collar!


Get the boys some bloody IFVs! Refurbished BMP2s could be landing in Nigeria in tens and twentys by April ending!

Back to the question of best value.

To make a difference you need to be able to deploy sufficient number of assistance to give yourself over riding advantage.

BMP 2 are dirt cheap have some issues with the fuel tanks in the rear doors. But they can still be very effective.

How much do they cost used from multiple suppliers in the former Eastern block. Probably about $40k per unit. Effectively less than a Toyota Land cruiser gun truck. I speculated not substantiated that we probably pay $45k for each Toyota gun truck we buy. Anybody know what we pay.

In this regard we shouldn't be buying anything less that 200 units, that will completely change the dynamics on the ground.

I am not a great fan of the BTR 80, think the Ukrainian BTR3 are better. Again easily procured with RWS and some basic FLIR. Between $35- 120K depending if you want to retrofit and do the upgrades yourself.

In this regard we should procure at least 500, stop our troops going in the back of Big yellow dumpster trucks and soft skinned pick ups.

rka2:
For people interested, NA has taken delivery of Chinese ST1 light tanks and VT4 MBTs

https://dailytimes.ng/insurgency-army-takes-delivery-of-sophisticated-armaments-from-china/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/04/08/insurgency-army-takes-delivery-of-armoured-tanks-artillery-trucks/

Is this good news❓ l simply do not know.

Without establishing the number, quality and the amount of money used to procure them. I really can not say it's good news.

If you have a fire in your house and you then use a small car fire extinguisher to attack the fire you are simply waiting your time.

When we talk about changing the tide of battle it's about allocation of resources for cheap best outcome delivery.

For instance, I would rather buy from Ukraine 100 T64 upgraded refurbished tanks than 20 Chinese ones. Obviously the 100 T64 will have far greater impact on the whole battlefield management and delivery.

Odunayaw:
Wait. You think 1500 troops will be in one staging area or what is this that I'm reading?

I made an informed deduction from the facts presented by General Adeniyi.

General Adeniyi had standing right beside him two other Generals and explained they were the sector commanders for two different Battalions.

All three of them were in the forward position with the three MRAP's. A Battalion will have at the very minimum 500 troops,that equates to 1500 troops in that sector.

How three Battalions have 3 MRAP's between them for a frontal assault is very shocking to me.

Odunayaw:
But why are you talking like NA doesn't give responses after comprehensive losses too?

As for this whole matter, I'm among those that believe we don't have leaders both in khakis and agbadas ready to see this through.

It would help when you respond to give comprehensive examples.

Maybe l am wrong but l have never heard of a Chadian army base been over run, taken over for days, multiple soldiers killed and weapons carted off and or destroyed.

This is the first time it seems to have happened to the Chadians please correct me factually if I'm wrong.

Boko have been literally uprooted comprehensively wiped out from Chad in the space of a week.

In Comparison how long have Boko made Sambisa thier operating home base without being uprooted ❓ What has been the comprehensive response by the NA.

How many Nigerian armed forces bases have been over run by BOKO and sometimes they Boko have done a rerun and come back . In the past 10 years❓

bidexiii:
99% of guys here now are new comers, during the dark days where SiriusBlack was in the N.E frontline, then we got most of the gist from is thread before it was taken down. Then I was just deployed to the north east for the second time, bomb blast was the order of the day and constant attack on military formations.

The NA was totally humiliated, @samuelanyawu who is saying BHT is roaming freely now in the N.E, way back during the dark days Monguno where his currently working now was totally in control of BHT likewise other L.G.A then.
Much has to be done and can be done, I can beat my chest that things are far better now.

I am not new.

I have chosen to keep quite.

Because l have friends and family in the Nigerian armed forces.

And it's very frustrating to watch things unfolding and not being able to do anything about it.

Wrong decision in a corporate business entity result in a loss of profits. However, wrong decisions in the corporate entity of the NA albeit the business of war results in the irreplaceable loss of lives.

Whyem15:
The money paid for the tucanos was already with the Americans, part of the Abacha loot with them. I am not sure we could have done much regarding choice and I also hope we could get SU25 soon sha.

That doesn't make any sense.

Either they owe is the money or not and there are official channels for it be sent back to us

daveP:
Pls Don't even start with the Yobo defense. Its gonna suck. Pls, i use God beg thee.

I don't get your point.

Subzero047:
Carlos Pereira - World cup winner
Arrigo Sachi - Two Champions leagues
Avram Grant - Champions league finalist
Andres Villas Boas--Europa League winner

Even Arsene Wenger and Mourinho didn't excel at playing career

Now compare with the top footballers

Pele +Maradona +Ronaldo +Ronaldinho +Alan Shearer +Gary Neville +Paul Scholes + Sol Campbell = 0 trophies

You are changing the goal posts and you are giving us a history lesson.

First of all you created the context when you said to quote you, MANY of the best coaches and Managers were not professional footballers. The term MANY is clear at the very least that would mean 35% of all managers.

But even Clutching at straws and going decades back into football, you can barely find a handful of Managers who did not play professional football.

Because we were speaking in the present l approached it from the HERE and very present NOW.

Starting from my comfort zone the EPL and to find there is not one Manager that did not play professional football. I erroneously assumed that Mourinho had not played professional football.

The reality is that managers who did not play professional football are the very very rare exception. Not the MANY as you put it.

Have you put your head on the freezer yet? ❓ To cool it down, it clearly over heating.

Subzero047:
Many of the best coaches weren't profferessional footballers

If playing football helped, Maradona and Pele would have been great coaches

There is a saying " Look before you leap" and another " Think before you talk "

Apart from Mourinho can you tell me one EPL Manager that did not play proffessional football prior to becoming a football club Manager, please ??

We could go to the Championship and then across the Football leagues of Europe.

I am not sure how you qualify "Best Manager" but I presume winning trophies and performing in the top leagues will be a big part of it. In that context tell me one Manager ( although you said MANY) in the top leagues that you describe as best that did no play proffessional football excluding Mourinho.

Now after you have thought about it and realised how unwise your claim is, put your head in the freezer, too cool your head down, because it seems to be over heating. Thats why you deh talk like this.

Subzero047:
Playing football is different from coaching

But I suppose you know that

100% agreed but being a professional footballer is a great platform to start from.

And having the coaching badges doesn't make you a great coaches either.

kemicalreact:
Yeah, I'm quite surprised by Algeria and Egypt's case, even Serbia (a strong Russian ally) was threatened when they wanted to buy the S400

I think Nigeria should go for Russian weapons. They're cheaper, reliable and their delivery would not have any political undertone. We should have gone for the [b]Su 25 equipped with latest avionics instead of going for that [/b]Super Tucano which won't be delivered at anytime soon. The Su 25 is the perfect platform for this COIN war judging by its performance against terrorists in Syria.

The problem lies with the decision makers and I doubt the president's situational awareness of what's going on in the North East. The man is senile and old, but I don't really blame him.

Alll

Agreed without one iota of reservation.

The Sukhoi Su-25 frogfoot (flying tank) is your best bet, double the payload of the A29. It's operating costs are probably lower than the SA29.

Finally, Las Las, with some diplomatic Maradona and procurement ingenuity across the Eastern block.

We can pick up 24 very easily and depending on thier spec. Retrofit them with updated avionics and weapons suite. 12 within 7 days 24 within a month. Average cost $ 4/5 million. We will not have to wait 4/5 years before first delivery.

It's not a complicated plane to fly, so they should be operational within two weeks. The dont require high grade fuel.

Salatavor:
There are local OEM manufacturers all over eastern Europe looking for sponsorship and they will produce anything you want for you. These are ex soviet scientist and engineers who went private. What some nations are doing is to sponsor those companies and use them to mass produce weapons at cheaper rates.

Getting arms from the former Eastern block is like buying sweets from a candy shop.

Anything you want can be got for a fraction of the cost of USA and Western sourced arms.

Do you know l can get a used BTR 80 for less than what it costs us to get one Toyota pick up gun truck.

GabrielYulaw:
True. Geographical dynamics make the war unwinnable. No matter how many defeats the Taliban are handed, they can rest, recover and get more men and material from Pakistan and other countries. Or just buy weaponry from the corrupt and ineffectual Afghan government. The US is not going to invade Pakistan for this sort of thing, nor will it openly punish countries that support the Taliban as a way of weakening the Great Satan and ending its hegemony. That is the main reason this war is unwinnable and the same holds true for the Vietnam war and Soviet war in Afghanistan.

Get all the Taliban in an open battlefield and let them face a Marine Division and let's see what happens Nothing will happen though, because the Americans will win. But the Taliban ideology is so attractive that they will get fresh recruits within days and more material to replace all their losses. And the war will continue.

What some here can't understand is that some countries lend the Taliban their support because it keeps the US and NATO tied down and degrades their ability to wage conventional war. It also makes them expend money and resources they can barely afford. Just imagine the US using B-2s, B-1s and F-15s to bomb the Taliban. What do you think the flight time cost of these platforms are? If they can use these kind of weaponry to bomb some dirty dudes with AKs, are they going to use space ships to bomb the Russians when they flood through Europe on their way to eliminate NATO and rip Merkel a new one?

But does the same geographical and political considerations hobbling the US and the NATO alliance hold true in the North East? I absolutely don't think so.

Thank you two completely different scenarios.

Toju200:
Then we'll say it's 10 but more than

General Adeniyi said 8-10 gun trucks but even if they were 15, it's still does not explain matters.

RussianKGB:
Let me be fair with you. In your accessment just like you've listed the above gains by the Nigerian army, will you say with a straight face that after a decade of COIN, coupled with the expenditures since 2009 till date and the regrettable losses of our brave men and women in the NE that the Nigerian army has really tried?
The amount of money budgeted and expended to fund this war should have brought the bokoharam insurgency to a debilitating end. I have close family and friends that lost their lives to this nonsense going on in the NE. When will it be enough? Truth is the top brass in the ministry of defence are prolonging this war just so they keep cashing out yet there's nothing tangible to show for it. Our weapons cache are not upgraded or updated, we still doing the same things we did since 2009.
The Tchadians have one of the lowest army budgets in africa yet we see time and time again that when they go out to face these vermins they deliver. I have no regrets when i say the Tchadians are doing a good job. They're doing what every sane army in the world ought to do when faced with terror.

With my head bowed in shame l have to drink the bitter leaf juice of the SAD TRUTH. With what you said.

Can l add, we are in a desperate war our infrastructure and capacity is dire. We need assets like yesterday, here and very desperate NOW.

Then someone decides to spend $600 million on 12 turbo props modified upgraded aircraft that will not arrive in completion until 2024.

I don't like using vitriolic rhetoric and acidic abusive diction to get my point across. But l am tempted here. In order to describe this incomprehensible bewildering crass ineptitude.

But I will not.

What kind of leaders do we have.

I CRY FOR MY COUNTRY.

Toju200:
what's the question

I made a tactical assessment and raised questions from those observations.

All the questions relate to the specifics of that one engagement at that time.

The use of existing assets and expected outcomes.

In a nutshell, how did 10 rudimentary gun trucks hold down three Battalions of the Nigerian army ❓❓❓ With a IMO opinion projected 1500 troops.

Whyem15:
Now, I'm not disputing the fact that the political class is corrupt and have been embezzling funds for buying weapons, but when these funds were made available, were we allowed to get them? Do you know the number of arms deals involving Nigeria that was blocked under the guise of "human rights violations" by those who sell tons of weapons to saudi and UAE yearly?
This problem is both internal and external, the earlier we accept that that of external is the one destroying us most the better.

The USA is not the only country in the World that produces arms.

bidexiii:
I asked you a question indirectly the first time and am now putting it to you had a question !
Will you say the United States and NATO are serious about the war in the Middle East for over 18years with all there military strength ?

The war is not on US and or European soil.

So in many ways it's a proxy war, that's limited by multifaceted international political dynamics.

The USA and NATO are serious about this war.

However, the geographical political dynamics make thier end game result to be convoluted.

Your question is a non question, it fails, because you can't equate a political answer to a military solution capability.

Toju200:
Here's the general's complaint
Wrong Info
That was his major concern they where given a wrong tactics to follow and the enemy was able to Surround and pounce on them..
And that unit from what I saw where relentless How would you tell me they fired at you 100 RPG and Mortals and the general said they are still standing strong and are not running..
And according to him The airforce arrived and I believed they did cos the declassified footage of the providing CAS is on their twitter handle..

You have made an assumptive general statement, but not addressed one of the questions l have raised.

BlackBaron:
Guy, I don't get this sniper thing especially with highly mobile enemies. High calibre anti materiel rifle on a highly fluid battlefield will do what exactly?
Its possible our troops are battle weary and unrotated. Heck, I would now like to see the children of the most powerful Nigerians getting rotated into the theatre, maybe then we'll see some traction.
As for those at the top, I think they've lost the initiative.

It's a battle proven tactic adopted by both British and US forces in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. When dealing with gun trucks and suicide vehicle.

A 50 Cal. Sniper rifle is used to hit the engine block, if you hit it right ↪ first round knocks the engine, and brings the vehicle to a stop.

You have other other options depending on the objective and types of rounds you have. An armour piercing round will bore a big hole in the engine one shot, an incendiary round in the cabin will take out the driver and passenger in the front and injure passengers in the back.

So in NE Boko predominantly use pick up trucks mounted with HGM.

Does that explain it for you.

Sizzorkay:
How many areas are the Chadians defending? You guys keep bringing up Chad over and over again. If BH /ISWAP is spread over a certain region of chad as they are in Nigeria, chad at this point would have France providing massive support for them, because they do not have the resources to even sustain such fight for 6 months, let alone years.
So what Chad ( in my little opinion) has done is take the fight to the enemy in border areas of Nigeria, that's different from trying to defend so many positions, towns, cities and villages. If all Nigerian soldiers have to do on occasion is mass up and run up on BH without having to worry about anything else, then that would have been easier done as well.
We are comparing two different things here. Chad isn't a stronghold for BH or ISWAP, sadly Nigeria allowed them to have that stronghold on our soil.
Now switch Chad for Nigeria, and Chad would be in huge trouble, like i said, they won't even have what it takes to sustain the onslaught for 6 months, they don't have the resources for that.
And where did you get this report? from the video or statement the man published? any link?
I still think our soldiers seem to lack awareness, they tend to stroll about as if there are no enemies around.
See the other day when troops were massacred, and a soldier said they were sleeping or some sh!t, and go caught unaware, now imagine that, you are in a war zone, no look nothing, and you are surprised you got caught unaware.
Oh well, me, I'm not supporting the Govt, i only feel for these poor soldiers being led to slaughter by clueless leaders.
We have a country where people are busy saluting and not trying to offend, so instead of having a frank discussion, they simple take whatever little they are given and go to war half-cocked .

There is substance to what you are saying undoubtedly.

Consider the bold, " That's like using shyness to eat poison" and agreeing to go on a suicide mission. Imagine how that destroys the moral of troops.

However, l am not speaking in general but about one particular engagement and all that we know about that one particular engagement.

That enables us to make have a specific understanding that may or may not be tenable in other engagement situation across the NE.

Indeed it may be indicative of the tactical approach of the NA. I simply do not know.

It's like I have seen videos of our bases been over run by Boko. From.the positions of our burned out gun trucks you can make an informed inference in general What happened in the battle.

Danielnino00:
Hey Komekn .. while you were away,we all literally had a hot argument about Yobo's appointment into the national team coaching setup...
We have been told that u are a big fan of Yobo .and at the same time,we know that u have little love for Amaju and the Nff .

So,do you think Yobo's appointment was merited and justifiable? Or was it just man know man thing... Especially when u consider the fact that Yobo has no coaching licence yet...

We'd like to hear your thoughts ..

Yobo was not invited to the NFF set up by Amaju.

The experiential competence that Yobo has acquired by participation in 20 years + of professional football in Europes top leagues from some of the top coaches in the world exceeds most so called coaches with badges.

Having a driving licence doesn't make you a great driver.

SamuelAnyawu:
I have seen a situation where ISWAP sent a message to a military base of an attack on a stated date. They came on that day and dislodged the military.

Chei !!!! I am very confused. WAHALA deh

Maybe you can explain.

I was listening to General Adeniyi report, he said there were three Battalions at that point.

That they had been out flanked by 8-10 gun trucks, that over 100 RPG's and Dame number of mortars had been shot at them.

Three Battalions should equate to at least 1500 soldiers, There were three General at the front of the battle with three MRAP'S leading the assault or hiding in defence.

How can 10 gun trucks hold 1500 men into a static position. The effective range of an RPG is about 300 metres at best. Anything over that and it's wildly inaccurate ( off target)

All the three MRAP's will have HMG didn't see. optics so it will be steel sights. So trying to hit a small target first shot at 400 metres will not be easy. But hitting a gun truck in at 500/600 metres even with steel sights, considering the higher elevation of the MRAP's should be plausible particularly if they keep breaking cover all around you.

Then foot soldiers dug into the ground should be able to engage. Yes those AK's don't have optics but they should still be able to hit the guys shooting the RPG's anytime they break cover to shoot. In addition we should have out own RPG'S to respond with.

I would expect that within these three Battalions there should be at least 10 snipers not neccesarily with high calibre rounds.

So how did they get so overwhelmed.

It's not making sense to me. Something is very wrong and it's not just the lack of equipment. It's very puzzling.

Compared to us Chad have literally a rag-tag army. They are using BMP1, they have no body armour. Don't have any MRAP's lots of gun trucks but nothing specail.

What's going on❓❓❓❓

Toju200:
UPDATE: the attack yesterday was repelled BHT loss: Unknown number of Dead goats
Four GPMG and Two RPG recovery..

Good news

bidexiii:
BREAKING: Boko Haram Currently Attacking Borno Community | Sahara Reporters

Boko Haram terrorists are currently attacking Ngala in Borno State, SaharaReporters can confirm.
The attack comes less than 24 hours after the insurgents pounced on Kirchinga under Madagali Local Government Area of Adamawa State on Monday night, razing no fewer than five houses.

READ MORE: https:///2RzW62H

I am not in the North East, but this primary school intelligence.

We and everybody else knew they were coming, shouldn't we have been waiting prepared to give them a "bloody hot murderous welcome"

Is that too much too expect.

kabe1:
Chadians are the best in Desert warfare.

So how did Boko-Haram manage to kill 90 Chadian soldiers in a single attack?

IMO they got complacent fell asleep, the worst singular loss in thier history.

Now it seems Boko have woken up.the sleeping Tiger � and it's bitten off thier head and ripping them to shreds.

So Boko have decided to run into Nigeria where they seem to think it's safe for them.

Whyem15:
Things like this make me wonder what our ISR platforms are for.
Most of these cheap drones will even detect movements like this.
Ordinary artillery strikes will take most of the vehicles out.

I don't know what type of artillery guns we have but l very much doubt if we have laser guided and or GPS targeting with our artillery.

That means they are not precision weaponry and you run the risk of civilians casualties and as well as missing your target.

This is an enemy on the run continously changing location.

You really need companies of troops ideally specail forces and or units in search and destroy missions. Knowing if needed they can call for reinforcement back up. Both air and ground assets.

It's sad that we don't have RWS on our armoured vehicles in enough numbers to to take the initiative. We actually don't have enough of anything to be honest.

Because search and destroy is best done at night again not sure if we have enough night vision goggles for our troops. Having optics on your assault rifles a great advantage as well as suppressors.

All this ensures you have the advantage and suprise when tracking the enemy to kill him.

Our best bet is the strike forces that use the SA procured Reva MRAP with the twin guns. Not a lot of stealth but it's what we have. And gun trucks with HMG. Groups of 10 vehicles.

We did have the Ukrainian BTR3 not great for IED protection. But l want to presume they should have RWS, with basic Night vision with FLIR and as such a good option for troops on search and destroy missions.

persius555:
I miss the NA of the 80s-90s. The Tchadians are like hyenas. They make a mockery of you when you look weak and defeated.

It's amazing how they have made the best use of the social media platform for the world to see.

How did you come to that wide all encompassing deduction❓

Hopefully not by sentiment or perception.

persius555:
This right here is the very approach that gives these terrorists the needed oxygen to mutate and carry out more attacks.

You don't win a war like this on the defensive. Bomb them to disarray and send in the ground troops to do the mop-up.

The opportunity has presented itself for us to show off our kill and redefine the narratives.

100% agreed, l hope we are not giving them time to regroup.

SamuelAnyawu:
The Army base in Damasak, Gubio, Magumeri and Gudumbali are all on red alert just in case ISWAP tries to attack as they are relocating massively.

We are fine if ISWAP does not attack any base as they are trying to find a new home

In an attrition war you don't wait for the enemy you go to him.

Now that Boko will have many wounded, are disorientated, thier arms supply limited and thier moral at a very low point.

Is this the intended military strategy to win this war❓

Should we not be ones hitting them with everything now, they are on the run, we should be running to get them. They are at thier weakest point.

It's time to attack relentlessly and very strongly.

SamuelAnyawu:
Sir RELOCATION OF ISWAP FIGHTERS FROM LAKE CHAD AREA TO SHELAWA VILLAGE.
About 1520 hrs date,

ISWAP fighters in about thirty (30) vehicles including gun truck and motorcycles are sighted relocating from Lake Chad area to Shelawa village about seven (7) kilometers north of Gudumbali town the headquarters of Guzamala LGA.

It was revealed that the relocation of the insurgents was due to the onslaught by the Chadian troops at the lake Chad area. Before this relocation, already there was a sizable number of the insurgents and their equipment at Shelawa village.

There is need for air interdiction and deployment of blocking forces at Gudunbali town, Garanda and Aligambari villages all of Guzamala LGA as well as Zari in Mobbar LGA with a view of stopping the insurgents from escaping.


From a UN Security Group

Lest stop being diplomatic and showing foolish pride.

Just direct the Chadeans to go there bombing will do nothing you stilll need ground troops to clear them out. And as it stands the Chadeans are highly motivated and ready.IMO