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tbaba1234:
He had 10 goals and 10 assists in 27 games last season playing from the left wing.

Those are great numbers. I understand the Turkish league isn't great but it is better than Belgium in terms of quality.

Actually it's quite good but not exactly IMPRESSIVE.

I am not saying is he Robben but it's good enough then let's compare him to other left sided players and see who is more deserving.

tbaba1234:
Nwakeame deserves another shout but not as a striker. He should play from the left.

The basis for selection should always be outstanding consistent top quality performances in club and league.

What has Nwakeame done that convinces you I n recent times❓

andrew444:
Yes

That means anybody fit lie for anywhere

The only time you can not lie is if you were born in a country with automatic birth data capture.

Or if you came to the country very young like Iwobi and Fred Onyedinma. It's very easy to see your progression from primary school and local football it's very well documented.

Danielnino00:
That's fine.. But seriously, Chuba Akpom? The guy had d chance to play for us long ago but was forming bobo. He is doing well in Greece no doubt, but we have better players in his position...

That's not true.

tbaba1234:
Akpom is a good choice.

There are players who are far more deserving than him and in all honesty after multiple opportunities in England in three different division he was very disappointing.

He then goes to Belguim and has his best score tally of 6 in 16 games.

IMO not good enough just yet.

Awoniyi is more deserving and many others.

Joebie:
Saka is the only truth for now. He is in the main team.. The others, we can get for our youth teams. There is no guarantee they will be great in future. I remember when Akpom was firing all cylinders. Today, he is still not there yet.. youth football is only indicative, but not conclusive.

Agreed without reservation.

But this is the problem and BIG DISADVANTAGE of English football.

After playing youth football you need to be playing with men and or first team football. This will enable you to develop and progress upwardly. However, when they have played youth football for so long they stagnate.

Meanwhile Belguim, Holland, Germany and even France give a lot of opportunities to young players that's why they develop quicker for first team football.

The EPL is very unforgiving and very impatient they want the finished product NOW not later. Time is very scarce in the EPL.

Brazil is another example young players given a lot of opportunities. It mat seem surprising that Gabriel before he came to city at 19 had already played two seasons in the Brazilian league.

hebenezher:
Good evening guys.

I have an issue draining my life and my emotions. It goes thus; I have just graduated from the University with a degree of 3rd class in mathematical sciences(IT). It is so hard to accept but the deed has been done and I have to start looking forward. so, I want to make an enquiry if there's chance for me to do a master in the USA with such low degree or if they also accept 3rd class graduate through PDG. please I need your advice on this.

thank you all!

Depending on the subject area but in general you can do a MSc in the UK with even a HND particularly if you have work experience to underpin it.

BascoVanVeli:
I hope they qualify.

If Chuba gets them past Ajax he should enter the conversation

I watched Chuba for a long time, he was killing it at youth level at Arsenal and the expectations for first team football woefully NEVER MET.

He has had about 6 seasons in English football at EPL Championship, league one levels but unable to do anything of substance.

He goes to Belguim first division and scores 6 goals in 16 games, his best ever return in his career. He is in Greece with Poak and he has been satisfactory.

It's not good enough with the number of strikers we have anybody that has scored less than 15 in a season should not be in the conversation. With a proviso that for players in elite leagues the top three in Europe with a lower goal tally.

Joebie:
Nigeria puts a lot of attention on under aged tournaments. That’s where we get to win gold. Warri go say “at all at na em bad”. You should expect that just because Nigerians have been following these players from that level, most of those players will be fan favorites.

Agreed and understood however we can't use fanatical based sentiment to put aside balanced objectivity.

What it does is create bigoted double standard.

Once you don't join thier bandwagon you become a HATER.

Danielnino00:
Story story.... u don't like Osimhen period!

The guy has been in the limelight since that u-17 world cup! Okereke at that time wasn't known . That only gives Osimhen an edge over him in terms of popularity...


All ur boys are championship and league 1 materials... they haven't proved themselves at a higher level and thus have nothing on the likes of Osimhen, Iheanacho etc that u continually try to downgrade!

I responded in depth to your first post directly with specific clarity dissecting each of one of your issues.

I assumed a degree of education so you can respond with some level of objectivity.

But you have just made evasive sentiment led NOISE, it's most disappointing.

Lucque:
Bros pls shift to quoting oda ppl.... Wen did d french FA nd media start hyping mbappe as a future balon dor winner?....wen did rashfords hype start from d same english press dat u so love nd respect?...was it after 2 or 3 complete seasons on d professional stage?...wen we start hyping our own u start to spew educated grammatical trash..a real smart man will realise dat accepting one's shortcoming is not weakness...i dnt want to discuss anytin wit u... Face d ppl dat have ur time... Goodday

You are muddying the waters of the discourse the subject is not comparison for justification.

Apparently it is your birthday.

Happy New year of your Birth.

Commend you for your approach which is mostly balanced and objective.

Lucque:
Bros okereke was not d one dat scored 10goals in d u17 world cup... Nd den seemed like his career was going to waste wen he suffered travails at wolfsburg... Okereke was not d one who some ppl here called wasteman... Okereke was not d one we all feared myt not live up to our hopes of being d new heir to d SE number 9 jersey.... Pls forgive us if osimhen gets more honorary mentions for his performance on his debut ( dat some ppl here have not been able to compliment because of d shame of eating their words about d lad... They know demselves). The fact dat we mention okereke with hushed breathing is gud for d lad... Dat will lower d pressure on him... nd pls i think we all have d ryt to our preferences.. so lets not make it seem like we are one unbiased group of analysts.... Cos we aint...

That proposition in bold is the anchor of favoritism and sentiment based preference. You have indicted yourself before the players has proven himself you have already earmarked him for glory and umerited selection.

Then you confirm your bigotry and double standard. It was OK to give umerited accolades to Osimhen but not Ok for justifiable accolades to Okereke. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander".

For those with a bit more football understanding know that youth football is only indicative but far from conclusive.

Everything in football is short term. To be underpin the inclusion of a striker on the basis of youthful glories of two years priory is ill advised at best at worst ludicrous. However , if you are Superdelusuional then it make sense to your befuddled mind that is unable to decipher between fantasy and objective reality. But to any other person with a balanced mind recognises such sentiments as futile in determining quality.

We are currently doing the same thing with KC for the past three seasons his last season at City was poor. We still keep looking at him instead of looking for players currently perfoming.

When a player is not perfoming we simply put him to one side pending when he will start to perform and look for those that are currently performing.

One season doesn't make a player it takes a few seasons to get consistency.

Joebie:
I will never fault Collin's invitation. We have been looking for a left back for years, not even one of us here could even recommend an inform natural left back.

Actually at the time I brought into the discussion The inclusion of Seyi Ojo.

Who has played left wing and left sided midfield with defensive responsibility for Liverpool and on loan at several Championship teams.

In modern football the Wing Back has evolved from the restricted Full back of yester years. Essentially this position us defensive but more attack based. This means that wingers will depending on the team flirt with both position. That's why Aina played on the wing several times for Hill in the Championship.

Seyi Ojo has the most important attribute for that position PACE but with added technicality and as you can imagine he can cross the ball something we lacked so obviously.

andrew444:
No mind komekn

If i am not mistaken benteke was bought for a whooping 32 million pounds 4 years back, liverpool didnt lost as as he was sold for 27, but he still managed 9 epl goals in 29 games sha

But the guy score for aston villa sha o

Villa played to his strengths he is an exceptional target man that thrives on crosses in the box and power play.

Brendan decieved him bought him and told him to press and play not in a diamond formation but interchanging with midfield like an.AM.

Brendan did the same with Balotelli but you know say Balotelli na Warri jaguda he told Brendan what toilet deposit his trash.

Now he is shadow of his former self in Crystal Palace but still on crazy money.

andrew444:
Drogba is faster than benteke

Benteke is like a snail

I agree but he's faster than Giroud naa haba snail ke.

Danielnino00:
I don't usually use the word "hate" when discussing football matter but this your continual downgrade of Osimhen is getting out of hand!! .. Osimhen just left the Belgian league where he performed exceptionally well..he was exceptional at the u-17 world cup too so it was normal that his move to Wolfsburg should be celebrated! ..I mean for God's sake he is a Nigerian! a product of our youth team! what else were we supposed to do other than support him??

it is hypocritical for u to keep using his Wolfsburg days to judge him when some of ur favorite boys like Iorfa,Ojo,Onyedima,Solanke,etc had bad times at different clubs too but u tag them "exceptional”!
I can bet my testicles that u didn't know who Okereke was until he moved to Belgium . there's no guarantee yet that he will surpass Osimhen's record in Belgium..heck! he isn't the first Nigerian to hit it right in Belgium!
Osimhen has upgraded from Belgium to France so its totally normal for him to be rated ahead of Okereke... and like I said earlier,he is well known among Nigerian fans! he has been in the scene for long...Okereke just entered recently...

Give the boy the credit he deserves!!

In most things I do I try to be objective.

First of all, what in your understanding is downgrading a player ❓ Because I don't join the same train euphoric praise for a player doesn't mean HATE or DOWNGRADE. Give me one not two instancees where l down graded Osimhen.

Osimhen has done excellently well but he has just played his first season of professional football. That's perspective. He is on a forward progression hopefully it will continue.

Second presumption without substance. Favourite players, talking about a player doesn't make him.your favourite. I talk about KC but he not my favourite player. Solanke is a distraction to this discussion l have met him several times and said he has no affinity to Nigeria in any way essentially he's Oyibo. Where When did l PERSONALLY call him exceptional ❓

Onyedinma l haven't talked about him for some two seasons as a quality prospect. He made some very unwise decision and his career has lost traction. Another misinformation.


Ojo I know and talked about him being an option for the LWB because we didn't have one. Good quality players but Exceptional not yet. Where did l say excellent exceptional ❓ more unfounded assumptions.

Iorfa I have given a history lesson several times and stated the issue of UNFAIR practice by the NFF and huge amounts of misinformation and untruthful storie. I have said he was regarded as exceptional in his team and with England. I know of him and know his agent and former club quite ( Wolves) I dint think l have called him EXCEPTIONAL EXCELLENT TALENT. I have been critical saying I think he lacks technical ability and intelligence. But pace aerial dominance strength and doggednes a big YES, l think he will become he has the potential to become a quality CB if he evolves.

Not too long ago well 2917/18 season l said that Fikayo Tomori is poor. Well one season later he has turned it all around to be an excellent CB. I said this month's ago he us the best CB we have yet to be capped. That's becoming a possibility he us now on the bench for Chelsea.

I had heard of him in Seria B. I know Nigerian Origin players who left England to play in Seria B, So don't presume.


Your final statement concerning Osimhen and Okereke is plain bigotry and biased standard. When Osimhen did well in Belguim it was a unit of measurement. However now that Okereke is doing it, it's no longer relevant that's blatant hypocrisy.

Okereke has been on the scene but ignored.

Finally, please let's not use the name if God in vain the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.

andrew444:
Benteke is not fast

Drogba was not super fast either.

edi287:
Hmmm maybe but let's remember Ravel Morrison who was better than Pogba at the youth level didn't get games with the first team either. Fergie might have overrated Cleverly but I wouldn't go as far as saying it was all bias/racism.

Look what some people in the know had to say about it:



The Main Reason Why Sir Alex Ferguson Did Not Trust Paul Pogba

Adnan Riaz in FOOTBALL

José Mourinho smashed Manchester United's club-record transfer in 2016 to bring Paul Pogba back to Old Trafford.

While there have been moments where the 25-year-old United ace has been criticised for his performances, his current form under caretaker manager Ole Gunnar Solskjær will be enough proof for some fans that he is one of the best midfielders in the world.

Even when he was at the United youth academy, there were many that saw the potential of Pogba.

However, Sir Alex Ferguson allowed him to leave the club for Juventus in 2012 after he turned down a contract.

Okay, some fans would be quick to lambast the legendary United manager for letting him leave and then the Red Devils paying as much money as they did to re-sign him, but it seems like he had his reservations about the World Cup-winning Frenchman.

According to the i newspaper, United 'insiders' revealed that the 77-year-old Scotsman believed that Pogba wasn't mature enough.

[b]Interestingly, the claims are backed up from a number of different viewpoints.

Former United player Darren Fletcher echoed similar sentiments about the former Juventus star when he spent some time coaching the Red Devils reserves.

"I did a spell coaching with the [Manchester United] reserve team, which included Paul Pogba, Jesse Lingard, Ravel Morrison -- a lot of talented players," he told Sky Sports' Monday Night Football in 2018.

"We played [Pogba] a lot higher up the pitch in attacking areas and we felt like he was the one that could go and win us games really.

"A combination of the fact that we felt he had a little bit of ill-discipline in the middle of the park as more of a central midfielder."

In fact, historian Tony Park made an observation that suggested Pogba was fairly inconsistent for the youth team.

"Pogba would have one great game, one average game and one anonymous game," he explained.

"It was why Fergie didn't trust him. When he arrived there were 10 to 15 new players around the scene at the time, all with bigger reputations.

"Ravel Morrison was by far the standout and coaches were giving him lots of attention. Pogba's ability was not in doubt, it was his inconsistency, that's been an issue all his career."[/b]

Well, the rest is now history.

Pogba once again rewarded Solskjær's faith in him against Fulham, opening the scoring with a brilliant strike in the first half.

He followed up his performance in the second half after he scored from the spot kick and United secured a 3-0 win at Craven Cottage.

Where will United finish in the Premier League this season?

Let us know in the comments.

I had seen Pogba as youth player.

And one of my friend a football agent was quite close to him. I knew his older twin brother when he was at Crew with Chuks. I also knew his brother agent he seemed to be Eastern European.

What is said in the papers is not necessarily the truth.

There is always a racial divide in clubs more so in the North of England.

Although saying that Liverpool is TOTALLY DIFFERENT since the arrival of the last two Managers and HO of the academy.

Ravel Morrison is a WASTEMAN totally unserious and highly indisciplined. He want to groove. I hope he has changed otherwise a total waste of talent.

andrew444:
Kc might be back to form, you never can tell till he is given some game time in the epl


Oga there is nothing wrong with osimhen being a light weight according to you

Is abraham not light weight?

Nobody will compare osimhen to drogba, they are trying to say they are similar, its no harm being similar to a legend like drogba.

Abraham is not LIGHTWEIGHT by any stretch of the imagination.

But Osimhen is not similar to Drogba you can say Benteke, Lukaku, Josh King, Mitrovic, Demba Ba are similar because they are very physical players.

Danielnino00:
Conspiracy ke?? I dont think the majority of super eagles faithful knew about Okereke until recently.. Osimhen just like Iheanacho and other past players that shone at the u-17 world cup is well known by Nigerians... Add to the fact that Osimhen plays in a better league...

You are being far from factual and truthful.

The fanatical favoritism for Osimhen started before he had played a single game for Wolfsburg.

He had a good if not exceptional season after failing vat Wolfsburg he has done well. But he has just started in the French league.

I can assure looking at type of player Okereke is if he continues scoring goals regularly like this he will be in the EPL in January. Mark my words

andrew444:
I think echiejile did decent

Only ikpeba was fantastic

Diplomatically speaking l agree he was satisfactory buy he should never have been selected over Aina. He was already finished at that stage.

andrew444:
Okereke is good ooo, yes they are different types of players

I have been following him since a guy brought up his name here when he was at seria B , either chris or charlesemeka

I cant just praise osimhen alone

Thou the season still has a long way to go, more players might even emerge with good form

It's very early days.

We have people already comparing the clearly light weight Osimhen to the strong Imposing and dominating DROGBA that's being delusional.

KC scored a few goals in pre season and some one being Superdelusuional announced KC us back to form that's simply ludicrous.

I know we are fans and therefore fanatical but must we put our brains into the bin.

charlesemeka85:
French Ligue 1 side Monaco are on the brink of announcing the signing of Everton-owned winger Henry Onyekuru.

French sports daily L'Equipe is reporting that Onyekuru has inked a five-year contract with the Principality side following a successful medical, which has effectively ended his association with Everton.

The transfer of the former Eupen man will cost Monaco €13.5 million plus bonuses of up to €1.5 million.

Onyekuru has been signed as replacement for Rony Lopes, who is being linked with a switch to Sevilla before the close of the window.

The Nigeria international spent last season on loan at Galatasaray, scoring 16 goals and providing 6 assists in 44 matches.

Lukman Haruna, Rabiu Afolabi and Victor Ikpeba have represented Monaco in the past.

Apart from Ikpeba thier careers did not go as far as expected. Add to your list Echiejile and he played not too long ago about 40 games for them.

It's a note of caution, he has not arrived the HARD WORK to improve starts NOW. He should not get complacent with €€ he is earning.

gamaliel9:
Is there a conspiracy to downgrade Okereke in favour of Osimhen?

The type of publicity both got is not the same...

There is first of all EMOTIVE BASED SENTIMENTAL PREFERENCE for some players.

David Okereke for me is not lightweight and smashing the Belguim league like a storm he is not lightweight.

They are two different types of player.

But all the praise goes to Victor overwhelmingly and in that a unconscious or even intended down grade of Okereke.

It's simply not balanced.

andrew444:
I think ferguson was bias

These were the days when corruption was rife in United.

Ferguson son was a very influential agent in the Manchester United set up.

Derek HOD recruitment had been there for donkey years and he him eye deh shine for deal.

edi287:
Fergie said he wanted Pogba to watch Scholes and learn from him.
I think he would've gotten chances the next season. Pogba was smart and brave enough not to wait

Sorry to say to you that's just media Rubbish.

The coaches ganged up against Pogba and pushed forward Cleverly to the detriment of Pogba. Pogba can never be like Scholes everybody knew Pogba flamboyant style and outspoken.

In reality Fergie didn't like him personally.

Eartquake1:
The experiment has led to the discovery of Collins, Ebuehi, Osimhen, Onyekuru and Co

Is there anything that you will not complain?

I don't think they were discovered as such by Rohr.

Osimhen was already given preferential treatment on past youthful glories. Onyekuru was invited but not given opportunity when he was tearing think up.

Collins was in Bundesliga 2 and average but invited.

Ebuehi was the only one that l think was actually given opportunity.

In reality there is s lot of background movements with NFF officials and agents pushing thier individual players forward.

Anybody who thinks that Rohr has total control and it's all about his soke decision then your in Delusion.

Happy birthday BascoVanVeli.

Stay blessed stay fulfilled and stay with God.

You bring quality to the discussion with an encyclopaedic knowledge of local Nigerian football.

One day be one day I go buy u Nkwobi with Moet to wash down.

BascoVanVeli:
Pogba ran his contract down there was nothing Manchester could do. If Victor's loan didn't work out they would have released him.

There is a lot more to it than you think.

There was the small issue of Tom Cleverly not anywhere as good as Pogba but described by Ferguson as the best young Midfielder in Europe. His Dad was a coach at United ( undue favoritism) senior players ( Ferdinand) almost revolted why Pogba was not given opportunity. The issue of race was raised.

Pogba left in anger and revolt at the disgusting treatment he had received. He may not want to say that in public.

Funny Cleverly and Hope Akpan shared the same agent at the time.

Danielnino00:
Was Aina inconsistent before Rohr dropped him for Collins that just recovered from an injury?

That particular decision is totally baffling and incomprehensible to me.

Then on the statistics table he was the best defender for Nigeria in the AFCON. Considering he was dropped for two games yet his stats were better than all the defenders so it is not speculative assumption. But proven fact.

If l allow my imagination to run wild. I can speculat in the negative that other NFF officials put pressure on Rohr to select other players over him. Why u be Naija you speculate because it was not a football decision.

BascoVanVeli:
I am not trying to do a told you so but I just want to reemphasize that these young boys need time to adapt when they get to Europe. They can have a bad season or two but they will come good in the end.

That's not true.

There are more who don't make it than those who do. You of all people should know that.

Football is about ability but also the big determinant OPPORTUNITY I am not sure which is the most important component.

There are many excellent footballers who have died in the non league football of England denied opportunity. This can be for multiple reasons, lack of network, Agents, Favoritism, Racism, Corruption, etc.

To think a few years ago at 20+ Mahrez was refused by a moi moi club in Scottish premier league and Ngolo Kante at 20+ could not find a club and went French league 3.

So this is the nature of football.