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charlesemeka85:
Lookman and Dennis should replace Moses Simon and Musa in the super eagles team. Iheanacho and Okereke to take Ighalo and onuachu's place while aribo and esiti to replace Mikel and ogu

After two seasons of anonymous football by KC hr does not deserve a call.up.

That would be a slap in the face of players who are showing good form and improving like Awoniyi, Okereke, and others.

Ighalo has not completely turned his back on the SE and in that regard there is nobody currently better than him. And certainly not KC.

andrew444:
3 goals already in just 2 games

If he keeps that consistency and scores 15 goals by December then he will be moving in the January transfer window. To bigger and better things.

safarigirl:
You have used plenty English once again, in a bid to veer the discussion

The question is not if Rohr is knowledgeable of players performance in the German league, it is if he is more knowledgeable than YOU....in that case, I would personalky answer a resounding yes, seeing that Rohr haa scouted the likes of Sarenren-Bazee and Uduokhai from the same league, and you are too occupied with the English second tier to gain some knowledge on the German league

You created a new discourse with a new core theme. With my responsive comments taken out of context that's a CON.

You refuse to put matters into the correct perspective by COMPLETELY EVADING the questions.

Your approach is anchored on your personal discriminatory view.

If you truly think that ROHR personally identified, appraised and then selected Udokhai and Sarenren-Bazee all by his wonderful self.

Then you have a lot to learn.

BascoVanVeli:
Monaco isn't better than Gala. At least for now. If he goes back it won't be the worst option. He is a champion there and he won't have to worry about adapting or waiting for his time.

The tax regime in Turkey is very favourable and you make much more money in your pocket.

However, players with ambition and self belief will want to test themselves against better players and enhance thier developmental growth.

I remember when Yobo went to Turkey ☪ then before the World cup came to Norwich after playing easy easy go football in Turkey. He had REGRESSED and age had nothing to do with it.

So if you have ambition and believe in yourself and have a long term plan you will not go to Turkey.

tbaba1234:
It is about the level of competition and the prospect of growth. Perform well in the French league and you are looking at a big money move. Plus the french league is much better than Turkey.

Agreed without reservation.

It's a better place to showcase your talent.

safarigirl:
none of what you said is related to what Humilitiy asked

This your response reminds me of when a student doesn't know the answer to a question, and proceeds to just rigmarole about and weasel his way out of the question.

Do you think you know German football more than Rohr? I think most people would say no, you seem to onky be versed in English football, in that case, a Franco-GERMAN football coach would kjnow more of German football than you

When a comment is taken out of context it becomes a CON. I am sure you are familiar with the term.

You have changed the core theme of the discourse and created one of your own. You imply that the discussion was a comparison of my knowledge in comparison to that of Rohr. That's simply not true and very misleading.

This discourse centred on the idea because Rohr is a German football coach. He is therefore an authority on the subject of player performances , quality , ability and quality essentially player RECRUITMENT in the German leagues.

The presumption that led you to your proposition show your lack of understanding and knowledge of football administration and management.

You jumped on to the bandwagon without knowing where the final destination is and where it started From. Then used one of the stops to decide the final destination. That's not wisdom but the opposite.

What underpins the decision to recruit players is a network of recruitment heads, scouts, analysts and that knowledge converges for an informed decision to be made. That knowledge is mostly experiential particularly for recruitment heads. Sometimes scientific and sometimes emotive depending on the club management structure.

There is a very distinctive difference between a COACH and a RECRUITMENT Head.

Having this in mind, l want to ask you two questions.

How many Clubs in the German leagues has Rohr managed❓ And what in your opinion makes him an authority on players recruitment in the German leagues.❓ ❓ Finally what has Rohr been mainly centred on for the past 10 years❓ ❓ ❓

These questions sum up the substantive approach to the question not an emotive one based on ill informed personal presumption.

Humility017:
sometimes your talk eehhh.
only God knows where you get those words from....

if you were the super eagles coach...on your first match player happens to score the only goal that earned your team victory despite the eye brows been raised when you appointed as coach...
then after during the qualifiers he continues with the scoring spree...

you've watched him in training and you know what he can offer and you know of his potentials...

will swiftly forsake such a player all because he was having a tough club career...?

you think you watch or know the German league more than Rohr?
same question I wanna ask forgiveness?

the German and French league ..tends to be Rohr's favourites... so trust me any good player from that league will always be called by the old franco-German coach....

please next time whenever you wanna argue for a player like Ujah leave Nacho out of it...he is not the cause of the player national call ups misfortune.
*thanks

You really are an Uncle Tom, garnished with colonial mentality and big dose of inferiority complex in comparison to white people.

So because Rohr was born in Germany donkey years ago but has never coached a team in Germany and has been coaching Football in Africa for a decade. He is an authority on German football.

And in your small mind he knows more about German football than anybody else. Chei !!! you fall my hand.

There are many club scouts, German based football agents , Recruitment heads that know way more than him. Some of those scouts and agents are African but because they are Black you will dismiss them and accept Rohr your oyibo master.

With all your education your mentality is still in bondage to the white man, that's pathetic. I shame for you.

edi287:
At least the UK get database to confirm if he's lying or not.

Apart from the automatic birth data capture.

The minute you play local football at age 5/6/7 you are registered with the local league candidates all your stats are recorded.

Unlike Nigeria.

andrew444:
He should make chelsea team as an epl player and start game for them

Its possible you know

Maybe he is waiting for Omeruo to start game first , particularly as he was signed when he Fikayo was only 12/13 over 7 years ago.

andrew444:
All those top 20 defenders in bundesliga in that link you put ,all of them are better than fikayo tomori ,you are just beating around the bush writing long note without making valid point

Fikayo is a championship player and can't be compared to a bundesliga player ok .

Firstly, I probably would have said that without any HESITATION two seasons ago. Fikayo was almost hopeless at Brighton then just about Ok at Hull.

But right now not ANYMORE. He is actually a Chelsea player who has played albeit only a few games but he still a Chelsea player.

It's not what league or club you play in but what you actually do in it, that's pertinent. Top performances get you noticed and bigger clubs come for you. For example Osimhen from Charleroi to Lille.

As it stands, it's almost CERTAIN that Fikayo Tomori will be playing in the EPL for Everton, Aston Villa or somebody else.

So because he is NOW a EPL player according to you he cannot be compared to a Bundesliga player, that's your principle not mine.

You are much more intelligent than that your statement in bold.

andrew444:
Sure

If he does well he can be Called up it's just simple ,nobody is blacklisted from playing for the eagles

Yes they are

Example Dominic Iorfa

forgiveness:
He scored double digit goals in the bundesliga consistently for three good seasons until he left and came back from China.

He can.

I haven't heard much about this guy.

Instituting the principle that the only basis for selection is continous consistent top quality performances in your club and league.

At one stage the Bundesliga was rated number 2 in Europe. We had a player who had not played any first team games invited to the SE.

What I am saying he should at least have been invited to see what he can do and if he performs then selection.

Admittedly not impressive he only scored 4 Bundesliga goals all season but then KC scored 4 over two seasons and was still considered.

There is a DOUBLE STANDARD.

charlesemeka85:
U won't rate him cus he doesn't play in England.

Remove emotive sentiment and look at matters objectively.

I have this proposition which l use regularly, "Better to be a Lion in a lower league and club than an anonymous mouse in a top club and league"

No bias, no sentiment or emotive based preference or otherwise. Just measured objectivity.

The Bundesliga is ranked number four in Europe, that means it's not on the same level as the EPL no debate. Add to that the unique characteristic of the Bundesliga where one club dominates everything for the past decade plus that Is Bayern Munich.

That effectively means there is a big gap between the top team and the next 4/5 teams and an even bigger gap for the next 5/6 Bundesliga teams.

It would be safe to say the Upper 3/4 teams of the Bundesliga may apart from Bayern Munich may not be on par with the Upper half of the EPL. If you consider all Bundesliga teams outside of the top 5/6 are probably on par with the Championship. So that puts player performances in context. Maybe that's why young players unable to get into the first teams of EPL top clubs are thriving and putting in outstanding performances in the Bundesliga. For example Ademola, Jason Sancho, Reiss Nelson, Gnabry, etc, etc.

Now the next question is, how good is Udokhai? is he among the top twenty defenders in the Bundesliga ❓ see ratings below. It doesn't seem so.

https://www.worldfootball.net/marks/bundesliga-2017-2018/filter-abwehr/1/

https://www.fifauteam.com/fifa-19-bundesliga-defenders-guide/

Unless you have information to the contrary we can say he is not one of the top 10 defenders in the Bundesliga.

Now look at Fikayo Tomori arguably the best CB in the Championship. Voted player of the year by Derby County. Now wanted by multiple EPL clubs would definitely be in Chelsea if not for the large squad of current defenders.

So which do you prefer without sentiment the most outstanding defender in the championship or the anonymous Bundesliga defender. An example to consider Balogun leaves Bundesliga and struggled to get games in the EPL.


So that's why l don't rate Uduokhai comparatively to Fikayo Tomori.

charlesemeka85:
yea you are right. the duo of tomori and uduokhai are better players than adarabioyo

I don't rate Uduokhai on the same level as Tomori in any way.

charlesemeka85:
Tosin Adarabioyo has joined Championship side Blackburn Rovers on a season-long loan from Manchester City.

The Premier League champions confirmed Adarabioyo's move on their club website on Wednesday with a short heartwarming message for the youngster.

"Everyone at City wishes Tosin the best during his time at Blackburn."

The Man City website did hint that gaining more game time was the thoughts behind the loan deal for the towering defender.

"The defender, who joined City as a five-year-old, will look to continue gaining experience at Championship level after making 36 appearances for West Brom during a loan spell last term."

Adarabioyo made his City debut against Chelsea in 2016 and in 2016/17 played against Steaua Bucharest and Celtic in the Champions League.

"In total, he has made eight first-team appearances for City and has also represented England at youth level on 15 occasions," the website went further to recall.

The 2019/2020 season in the Championship starts this weekend with Blackburn Rovers hosting Charlton Athletic in a 3pm kick off game.

Watched him for a long time since he was 16, he has a lot to learn, and he is nowhere as good as Fikayo Tomori.


Blackburn is the quintessential KICK and RUSH , blood and guts English football team he is going to find it not very pretty.

mu2sa2:
Left Nigeria to go to Scotland to be cleaning oyibo shiit. Her child may end up as what? Na wa o!

A ignorance is bliss.

A toilet attendant ensures the hygiene of the WC (water closet) there is no cleaning shit as you may put it, particularly as the water never runs dry."

A toilet attendant "Kpecke" can on a good night with sharp banter can predominantly on a Friday or Saturday in a high volume patronage and upmarket night club at the end of the night take home £500, even more. Now that is the exceptional cases but on average they can make £200+ a night. So when you see them buying houses in Lekki and driving an upmarket SUV, you can laugh at them.

i have seen people with Masters and PHd opting for this tax free cash in hand option, i wonder how many of you would jump at the chance if given the opportunity to clean " Oyibo shit" a you have put it, you included

ChrisKels:
Shut up boy, u trynna circumvent the Subject of the discourse as u knavishly got embroiled in semantics. Sorry if I was harsh earlier but this post doesn't portray u as someone better, bkus it reeks of bile and a total roll down acerbity. Now back to ur mess.


Did u not see this ''If I stay healthy and play consistent games, I'm sure I'll get a new invitation," before putting forward that very lame post of urs?

Maifrend shift

There is a saying we have in Warri " Who deh follow craze man fight imself deh craze too"

But maybe if you take a look in the mirror and digest the substance of my deduction with measured objectivity. You may apologise.

Once again I will say my comments are entirely in context I was responding to Charlesemeka85 fact based observation.

According to Charlesemeka85 he has played 16 games in the Bundesliga since 2016 that's simple not good enough over three seasons for a call up to the SE.

If you look at it with further depth you discover that over 5 seasons of football he has played barely 46 professional matches and he is 22.

He has not been outstanding quality and one of the top players for club and league. If you add the term injury prone it looks even more dire.

He can with projection and faith, hope to have an injury free season. However, until that happens it's wishful thinking. You select players on CURRENT CONTINOUS CONSISTENT PERFORMANCES not by speculative expectation. It's not harsh it's simply FOOTBALL.

See the screen shots of my comments below and give back to basics and asked yourself what it means to circumvent if needs be use a dictionary.

Once again you have chosen to completely go off on a tangent of abuse and vitriolic caustic rhetoric. WHY

Who has CIRCUMVENTED the discussion me or you❓ ❓ ❓

CaptainStephen:
The boy is quality unfortunately injuries had been his bane.

Unfortunately injuries in the harsh world of football will not give you a reprieve but will count against you.

As a consequence you can be easily labelled as injury prone. And that will cause your faltering career to be curtailed even further.

Injury will come and go it's part of football. However, long term continous in and out of injury is NOT GOOD.

ChrisKels:
Dafuck!! u jumped this;

The exciting winger was in contention to be named on the Super Eagles roster for the 2018 World Cup but struggled with knee problems for a significant period which prevented Rohr from including him in the provisional squad list for the tournament in Russia.

And this;


''If I stay healthy and play consistent games, I'm sure I'll get a new invitation."

U really are such a dumb troll. Sorry to say this, but, ur wanton desperation to floor some players in here blindly is gradually making u look more stupiid than we thought

Is it possible for you to make a comment without resorting to the gutter. Without unnecessary abuse and caustic vitriolic rhetoric.

I do not know where you are from but remember this "Out of the depths of the heart , the mouth Speaks"

For once try and garnish your words with grace if not grace civility and if not civility at least be a gentleman.

What's wrong with you?

You are the one person more so than anybody else that loves abuse and insults on this thread.

You don't upset me, l just feel sorry for you, you must lead a sad, bitter, dissapointed and discontent life that's why your heart and mind are so DARK.

I say Good morning to you, have a cold coke and a smile let the sunshine in so you can see without darkness.

charlesemeka85:
FC Augsburg newcomer Noah Sarenren Bazee still harbors the ambition of playing international football for Nigeria and has revealed that he is in contact with manager Gernot Rohr ahead of the 2021 Africa Cup of Nations qualifiers.

The exciting winger was in contention to be named on the Super Eagles roster for the 2018 World Cup but struggled with knee problems for a significant period which prevented Rohr from including him in the provisional squad list for the tournament in Russia.

Despite uncertainty surrounding his fitness, he honored the invitation of the Nigeria Football Federation to train with the Super Eagles in London ahead of a friendly against Senegal in March 2017.

The 22-year-old has been following the progress of the Super Eagles and praised their performance in the recently concluded Africa Cup of Nations.

Speaking to transfermarkt.de, Bazee said : ''I am still in contact with Gernot Rohr. The Africa Cup of Nations showed the great potential there is in the team.

''If I stay healthy and play consistent games, I'm sure I'll get a new invitation."

The German-born winger has 15 Bundesliga appearances under his belt since his debut in April 2016.

That's not the kind of form that should get a you a call up to the SE. Simply not good enough.

Should look elsewhere

Danielnino00:
The bolded sounds hypothetical when we consider the fact that u refused to agree that the constant change of managers at Wolfsburg was one of the thing that affected Osimhen's progress there ..

To make a comparison there must be similar attributes and components not necessarily identical but SIMILAR.

Tammy was third highest goal scorer in the Championship had played 41 league games and a few games for Chelsea as a 17 year old. Before going to Swansea on loan in this context he can be described as a top player with huge potential. Nonetheless he was still able over 31 games to score 5 goals and a good number of assists. Not great but still not too bad under the circumstances.

Swansea on the space of three years has had 8 managers and Wolfsburg has had 5 in the same period.

Osimhen had no past continous consistent top quality performances to underpin his position or quality. He was a youth player that was going back and forth between the first team and youth academy. He essentially had done nothing to make any deduction of quality beyond past youth football glories. He had played 12 games over two seasons and failed to make any impact. At that time he was simply not good enough he couldn't even break into a relegation facing poor quality side.

No contradictory deduction or double standard beyond your own. Two completely different situations with little or no similarity.

I should add there were better players ahead of him and he couldn't dislodge them.

ChrisKels:
U either said the bolded to save face or u really do not understand the meaning of the word consistency. He was good at Bristol, very poor at Swansea that he single-handedly sent them to the championship, then, he was OK at AstonVilla. These sums up his 3 seasons as a pro, and u call that consistency neglecting the woeful season he had(where it mattered most) in between the so called good seasons he had in the lowly championship?


Eerrm before u make this a Tammy debate, please where does veteran Iorfa play these days?

Blind hatred no get let u see Road.

At Bristol he was not good he was EXCELLENT as a teenager being the top three highest goal scorer in your first season of first team professional football.

At Swansea the team had sold key players went through how many Managers issues on and off the field. Let me say Categorically a club that has had 8 managers in the space of 3 years is almost impossible for any player to excel talk less thrive. However he still scored 5 goals in the EPL.

Fast forward to 2018/19 and he was the highest goal scorer at 21 in the Championship.

I noticed you and many others still clamour for KC who has scored 4 goals in two seasons of EPL football with Leicester and call him an outstanding talent.

charlesemeka85:
you are right but there is chances of a white english boy erupting from no where with atleast 10 goals in the epl this season or next and if that happens tammy will be forgotten by the english fa.

moreover southgate will prefer starting rashford as a striker instead of tammy. england is blessed with young flank players coming up so i see no reason deploying rashford to the flanks only if kane starts. tammy's best bet in international football is with nigeria. with england he will gain few caps but with nigeria the chances of becoming the teams undisputed number 9 is very high but sentiment aside i don't think he will turn back to play for us so he is good as gone

Currently even with the ingrained conscious and unconscious RACISM prevalent across all spheres of life in the UK.

No Oyibo boy were go clear any of our black boys in the No. 9 role currently and not for some time to come.

All the prospects are Black.

However, he would be wise to shift base which l will not be shocked to see happen. Particularly once he has settled his long term contractual future.

You must understand that your transfer value, endorsements, advertising, etc are all intrinsically linked with you being classed as an England international.

But once you can sort out your long term contractual obligations then it's difficult to loose value.

So if he then changes allegiance then NUTTIN SPOIL don't forget his socail network is predominantly black and Nigerian. Ebere and him played local football as kids.

Although he fall my hand with this oyibo babe when he carry put for head.

andrew444:
Has he joined the turkey club already?

The last time i checked turkey leagues produced many players at the world cup and you people see it as a bad league especially Komekn

We have more Brazilians in turkey than Nigerian players, you said Nigeria players love turkey, please call 15 nigeria player in turkey league right now, am not sure if you will complete the task

Person see offer for turkey una want make him dey epl or others league wey offers no come from

Remove sentiment and emotive based favoritism.

The Turkish league is not a top quality league and does not attract the best players in thier prime. This is just the truth.

If you are in that League you are not competing with the best. The very favourable taxes regime is very favourable to many players particularly those unable to compete in the better leagues.

andrew444:
And to get work permit no hard un capped isaac success, Na special talent dem use

I don't know but you should consider the ownership of the three clubs Watford Grenada and Udinese.

He was in Spain for quite some time and I do not know his immigration status.

I know of a Nigerian international now retired recently who played in the EPL he circumvented the work permit rules by virtue of a Portuguese passport.

timay:
Something tells me the work permit shit is a lie.
Everton doesn't want him yet. With all the club appearances even in the Champions league over the past 3 yrs, I believe he should be more than qualify.


He would probably get loaned again. His handlers are just using it as a way of not letting his value drop.

Everton is about to sign Moise kean from Juve , for 27.5 million. If they needed Onyekuru, he should have been staying cos it's not as if they don't need a Striker.

Harsh truth is Onyekuru is a business transaction and not a prospect for Everton.

If Ademola Lookman 21 ( true age) who was able to light up the Bundesliga when on loan and understands the physicality of the English football leagues. And who was unable to break into Everton as a regular player what chance therefore, does Onyekuru have to be realistic ❓

ChrisKels:
While Onyedinma who gives consistent top quality performance, joins Wycombe Wanderers in the abyss of the league one, on a permanent basis from Millwall,





Pretender Osimhen lands in France for his Lille medicals.

At the same time Tega Abrahams collects the number 9 jersey for Chelsea and scores in pre season against Barcelona.

At the tender age of 21, has had three seasons of first team football was the top goal scorer in the championship. Can be described as a consistent continous top class outstanding player.

Probably now worth in the region of £50 million if Chelsea will even accept that.

charlesemeka85:
Trapzonspor interested in Chidozie Awaziem

Some people ple said he was our best defender in the AFCON.

Should he not be moving upwards as opposed to staying in Turkey with his exceptional talent.

tbaba1234:
Spot on.

Quality leagues attract quality. Players leave Belgium every year but they find good replacements.

Particularly the Belguim and Dutch leagues look at how many young teenagers are given opportunity and thrive.

Then look at the real age of the players in the NPFL.

There lies the PROBLEM.

LZAA:
Rivaldo,aimar,aldair,leonardo,romario,zico
Of course it drained quality in their leagues
Saying players are not good enough is a farce
Pep and cryuff molded barca in their own image
Fergie built team after team at united
A talented player not coached properly is a liablity
If in doubt look at ravel morrison

This is misleading what you have stated in the bold.

Ravel has an attitude problem, lacks discipline , is very disruptive and has no professional ethos and focus.

His problem is not about being coached properly

BascoVanVeli:
The league loses big talents but it is like a revolving door. Some go out and some come in. After Stephen Odey there was Lokosa and even after him the Kano pillars still almost won a double this year.

What the league is really missing are names but there is still big talent here. These guys become household names and leave and this makes it hard for the public to keep up.

In my opinion a very big problem is the age factor and age discrimination.

Irrespective of how good you are once you are above 26 even younger most European clubs which is the preferred destination will not consider you as a prospect.

As a consequence age is intrinsically linked to potential and your prospects.

That's why across Africa or anywhere else there is no Automatic Birth Data Capture thier is inevitable age cheating.

Consequently, a lot of players are already at thier peak and struggle to improve and then inevitably fall down the ladder. But also for many the quest for money is paramount not career progression.

That's the reality and to be honest do you blame them.

andrew444:
Did you watch the training ?

Do you know if Gerard is lying?

He was not given a chance simple

What about the players that are doing well in training and when e enter real match dem dey flop?

I know Beale assistancoe manager to Gerard and l know Gerard. I can assure you, so please remove any idea of lying racism or prejudice.

He was given many chances but was Woeful and Flopped big time, simple truth.