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forgiveness:
At 34, Jermaine Defoe scored 15 goals in the EPL. It's quality, has nothing to do with the league.

Please educate him.

Eartquake1:
I don't take seriously a league where Jermaine Defoe is scoring a hat trick

Defoe at 34 was doing the same in the EPL.

If he was in the Belguim Turkish and or French league he will still score goal and possibly hatricks so don't you take those league seriously.

Danielnino00:
premier league

Wilfred Ndidi -Leicester city (regular)

Kelechi Iheanacho- Leicester city(unlikely to be regular)

Alex Iwobi- Everton (most likely regular)

Isaac Success- Watford (unlikely regular)

Tom Dele-Bashiru- Watford (unlikely regular)

Nnamdi Oforboh - Bournemouth (in like regular)

Leon Balogun- Brighton (unlikely regular)


laliga

Samuel Chukwueze- Villarreal (regular)

Ramon Azeez - Granada (likely regular)

Moses Simon - Levante (occasionally regular)

Kenneth Omeruo- Leganes (most likely regular)


Serie A

William Ekong - Udinese (regular)

Ola Aina - Torino (regular)

Budensliga

Jamilu Collins - Paderborn (regular)

Ademola Lookman- RB Leipzig (most likely regular)

Ligue1

Victor Osimhen -Lille (regular)

Samuel Kalu (Bordeaux (regular)

Henry Onyekuru- Monaco (pending)


See squad... .. ..All of them are decent players at their club.. not world class but certainly not below average (most of them)

Gernot Rohr, we don't want stories in 2021

You have to have some sort of unit of measurement to determine average or top players.

For instance you may not be the highest goal scorer in the EPL with 10 goals for instance but be classed as average or even below.

However, that same below average EPL player then goes to a lower European league and in that league becomes Messi all things being equal.

Another example is having a huge transfer fee on your head is indicative not conclusive of quality. Maguire has just gone to Manchester United for ridiculous money. Is he the best defender in the world not to me. Is he in the top 10 in the world still very debatable.

What l am saying essentially is ITS VERY DIFFICULT that's why football is so exciting. Because nobody can get it RIGHT all the time.

daveP:
With Utmost sincerity, i see no reason why most of those against Forgiveness talk are really biting their necks off.

He might not be topnotch, but forgiveness make a stronh, undaunted fact.... Ajagun is the only SE capped player, infact the 2nd Nigerian playing AM role in a rated league. 2nd not 11th or 22nd.


Trust me, if he continues perfoming, Rohr that needs someone in that role will reconsider him cos that role is as scarce as anything the SE cureent needs. Out of scarcity might outweigh the out of performance.


So asides this, i think most of those attacking him got him wrong. I hate this tribal smirk. Must that always be the Thanos-ic Finger click to winning?

Agreed without reservation

Joebie:
Ojo.. hmm how did i miss this one?

Correct one goal for Seyi I have modified.

Joebie:
if Defoe was Nigerian he would be in his mid 20s.

Well if the truth must be told na true U deh talk.

Nigerian players on the score sheet today Osimhen with two great start.

Ojo playing on the wing scored one for Rangers.

But the most impressive for me although not Nigerian was Defoe with a hatrick at age 36 will be 37 this year. If he was Nigerian we would have totally written him off.

jihday:
Doesn't always have to be about age though, some players just loose form. But then I understand you, anything to diss the local player

Nigerian have this ability to turn yellow to red and blue to black accept the lie when we know the truth.

MRI has limited the wholesome blatant age cheating that used to go on with our U17 teams.

And now you call it denigrating players.

What do you UNDERSTAND ❓

Taliban:
Meanwhile am happy that Aneke scored yesterday just after six minutes of coming on. Anyway would you know why he was used as a 75th minute sub? Also did anyone watch Ebere and Osayi Samuel yday? The BBC reported that both tormented Huddersfield yday. Am particularly interested in Osayi Samuel as he's also a midfielder if am right and doesn't need any change of allegiance but nobody talks about him. Odubajo played again yday for Sheff. Wed but Dom Iorfa was not in match day squad. Ajayi also featured.
Finally does anyone know why Etebo is yet to feature yet for Stoke, he hasn't even made match day squad. Right now we need to also have eyes on the EFL as there are a lot of Nigerian potentials there.

Chuks Aneke has a hamstring Injury is recovering and they don't want to risk it too much.

If I'm right Dominic Iorfa got a red last season and is serving suspension.

Osayi is a winger.

andrew444:
Na komekn talk am nah

na defensive midfielder i write and the real betis guy

You self see am

Sorry slip of tongue and finger na midfielder not defender.

I mean 33 year old Adlène Guedioura

andrew444:
Aribo is not competing with Ndidi

Charlesemeka should just stop this hype for crying out loud

I wont be surprised if rhor dont know this guy

He doesn't play in the Bundesliga so that will not be shocking.

It's not Hype, l like to see and am very impressed with players who have had to fight thier way too to get recognition from the bottom up.

He is not the finished article but he usw learning very quickly.

And as for competing with Ndidi not just YET.

andrew444:
Agreed

Ayoze is not that prolific ,he can play as a winger thou ,but he scored 12 goal in 37 Epl games last season so he did well

Do you know how many hungry players are waiting to get thier chance in Leicester , time waits for no one.

andrew444:
Haruna lukman now plays in the Tunisia second division

Chei Chei from the might Monaco to Tunisia well l guess it pays the bills. But English non league is probably better than that na

Nobody will ever know thier true age the guys because how can you at 28 be playing in Tunisia.

Joebie:
BUT and IFs
The point is Omeruo hasn't had a great club career until recently. He couldn't cut it in the championship. He did okay in Turkey and pretty well in Spain though. Omeruo has had far more opportunities because Chelsea is his parent club. Different circumstances compared to Ajagun. It's arguable they are in the same age range. It's not like young players never played in the NPFL

Check Omeruo pictures in 2009 are age 15 and check him now. What do you notices very little change over 10 years including height.

Go and look at Iwobi, Ejaria, Ojo, Onomah, Iorfa, Fikayo at 15 and see the difference.

Ajagun, Omeruo, Kayode, etc are from the set where anything goes whatever you declared is what you are. I remember when Fortune Chukwudi was alleged to be over age his defence was " Na only me "

Or better still look at Neymar and Coutinho at that time.

charlesemeka85:
Yes it's a step down but that was the best offer he had after the world cup monetary wise. The likes of Newcastle, gatefe and Valencia wanted him but Stoke offered him more money and signed him for 8-10 millions euros if am not mistaken.

Etebo never lacked suitors even Galatasaray wanted him on loan from Stoke this summer but Stoke refused because he is one of their best players. His name was also mooted in Newcastle for a possible transfer but Stoke refused letting him go.

The championship pays a lot more than what many think here. I will say that generally Championship upper level will pay more than the La Liga and Seria A lower level.

charlesemeka85:
And what have he achieved since playing as a 10 in Europe for the over 6 seasons in European football?

What makes a player an asset is the ability to fit in in more than one position. Iwobi for example can be deployed as a supporting striker, number 10 and from the leftwing.

Aribo can be deployed as a cm, am and defensive midfielder,same goes to Onomah while ejaria can be deployed as a cm and attacking midfielder.

Eze is naturally a 10 but can be deployed as a winger which is where he has played for reading In their last 2 matches.

IMO Aribo is now contending for the same position with Ndidi. Right now Ndidi needs to up his game and increase his passing range, add offensive play interceptions and yes a few more goals will be nice. That's if he wants to get to the next level.

The fact that nobody came in for him with a serious bid says he needs to do more.

If he doesn't hungry determined players like Aribo are coming behind him.

By the way do you know that Chuks Aneke also plays AM in the last two seasons playing for MK Dons he had the highest number of assists and if I'm right goals as well.

andrew444:
Bros cool down o, destiny different

Etebo being in the championship is no achievement, but okay for now, after this season i no wan see etebo there

Where was Algeria best defender playing❓

I rate the Championship higher on aggregate than the Belguim league, but you don't berate the Belguim league.

Joebie:
Rabiu Ibrahim couldnt cut it in Belgium.

He failed woefully and quite shocking to me in the Scottish league playing for Kilmarnock.

I remember also a certain Rueben Gabriel who played one game for them was so bad, he never played for them again but ended up going to the World cup for the SE.

charlesemeka85:
Rabiu Ibrahim plays as an attacking midfielder in the Slovenian league. Amoeba!

Please forgive my disdain for the Slovenian league, but come on, " that one na League "

Rabui was once named as one of the top 20 teenage sensations in Europe. That's why l say youth football is only indicative not conclusive.

Look how he has fallen and l am aware of the issues he faced at Sporting. But he went to Psv if I'm right then Gene, then Celtic, then Kilmarnock etc,etc . In a period of 10 years plus if of professional football he has played 75 games. Something is not right.

He is getting paid he is officially 28 l don't think we should be looking at him. Or we should look at Haruna Lukman too who is playing in Lithuania after playing in Monaco and others meanwhile he is only 28.

Joebie:
He scored 6 mins after his introduction. impressive -- Aneke.

Chuks Aneke is the one that many dismissed here but he going to suprise many here.

charlesemeka85:
Hahahahahahahahaha a Chai iorfa go dey regret now for turning us down. Playing for the super eagles for help the boy career. Chai! Wasted talent.

Alot of our foreign born players lacks good advisers I swear. I hope the likes of tomori, Tammy, uduokhai, torunarigha, Amaechi, Saka and co learn from the mistake of iorfa, onuoha, agbolahor,Sidney Sam, owomoyela, ehiogu and co

Iorfa did not Turn Nigeria down, however the three Nigeria origin players in Germany did but we don't stop trying to get them to change allegiance. That's bigotry.

There is a lot if misinformation about Dominic, he was an England international called up at 18 to train with the senior team. He made it intrinsically CLEAR that he would commit at 23.He had to give the English FA the impression he was committed to them.

In his situation he must first of all sort out his long term contractual future and then n disengage himself from England U21 without bad blood.

Well he did all that and at age 20 in March 2017 made that commitment to the NFF officially after a meeting with Rohr at Wolves. Rohr was very receptive made a number of positive commitments to him then Rohr got to Nigeria and everything CHANGED to date.


With regards to decisions by Nigerian origin players. You really need to understand context. The first thing a player needs to do all the time is ALWAYS ensure your long term contractual future.

Playing for England youth pushes your value way up the ladder and gets you lucrative endorsements. So before you start changing allegiance you generally ensure you have tied down all your loose ends.

Effectively playing for Nigeria is not necessarily career enhancing it doesn't give you a boost. If you are already playing in the EPL or Championship you will be in the shop window week in week out. If you perform you will rise and have progression. You do in need the SE to further your career.

These Nigerian origin players boys opting for Nigeria who were already making waves in thier careers. Do it out of love for thier Fatherland.

andrew444:
Yeah you should be suprised because you are a bias and sentimental person and you expected me to be like you

Dominic iorfa cousin

I apologise l over estimated you, l presumed you understood my use of satire and irony to create a tongue in cheek exaggeration.

But obviously you did not.

You fall my hand oh, which kind Villa school you go sef.

9ja man u suppose know say waterside and inland no deh take kanoo connect, Warri no deh Makurdi. So Dominic no be my bros.

andrew444:
Kante is a better player than ndidi, no be wetin i go dey argue, and that doesnt stop ndidi from being world class, player pass player.

I don't disagree with you just suprised you said it.

After all its here many were saying KC us better than Gabriel and Raheem as well as Mbappe.

andrew444:
Kante is better than ndidi , its simple

But the rest of your midfield are BANG AVERAGE

Na you deh talk like this about our World class Ndidi.

You are showing your lack of fanaticism and your inability not to be objective l am most disappointed.

LOL

BascoVanVeli:
Shehu Abdullahi wore the captain's armband for his club yesterday.

What club and league is that.

BascoVanVeli:
I would like to sometimes see Iwobi play at the striker position for Everton. Silva has used Richarlison in that position before but I actually think Iwobi will do much better because he is so much more bigger and stronger. He could even make the perfect false 9 when you add his skills and mobility.

Iwobi is bigger and more physical than Richarlison hmmm ❓

chrisooblog:
i agree at arsenal you can't get away with making silly errors even if you put in effort but everton they will be more understanding because they know it's not a top club (yet!)

only pressure i see is from the price tag

When a big club pays £40 million for you it's just about average price for them Its not huge.

However for Everton paying £40 million is HUGE and it will come with HUGE EXPECTATIONS. It's easier to play well surrounded by top players than with less technically gifted players.

The assumption that it's going by be EASIER is simply not true.

BascoVanVeli:
Are you saying Alex will have more pressure on him in Everton? That is like saying Wilfred Zaha is facing more pressure at crystal palace than he was at man u.

You do know that an average performance at arsenal would be considered great in Everton?

Zaha waa and stil is the poster boy at Crystal Palace.

That time he spent at Manchester United almost killed him he was close to a mental breakdown with Moyes.

Then all the tall about him having escapeds with the daughter if Moyes did not help matters.

Going back to Crystal Palace was essentially going back to his family.

They are totally different situations.

edi287:
M Silva is trying to change all that. Besides Iwobi is more than a technician na...he has physical qualities too.

The operative word being Trying.

If he doesn't get the results this season he will.be under pressure and it will be a win by any means possible.

Nonetheless i am VERY IMPRESSED with him he has brought in a really good guy Luis Boa Morte as his Assistant Manager. . I knew him at Arsenal and more recently at Sporting L. He's a good guy and has been around.

andrew444:
Royston drenthe got him self distracted at the liverpool lifestyle during his Everton days

Very unserious player

There were many.

There waa this Senegal player that had played with France U21 but a striker for Everton Very very unserious player.

Almost became a night club dj and like to carry excess luggage babes.

I've forgotten his name.

charlesemeka85:
Liverpool legend Steven Gerrard reserved special praise for Joe Aribo following Rangers' impressive 4-2 road win against FC Midtjyland in the Europa League third qualifying round on Thursday evening.

The Scottish Premiership giants led 3-0 after 56 minutes thanks to goals from Alfredo Morelos, Aribo and Nikola Katic, before Nigerian midfielder Frank Onyeka reduced the deficit in the 58th minute.

The former Charlton Athletic star continues to show what he's capable of since his arrival at Ibrox, with his strike against FC Midtjyland his third goal in Rangers colors from five appearances in the Europa League qualifiers.

''I have nothing but praise for my players. This is a difficult opposition who have good players,'' said Gerrard to Rangers TV

''They are very big in profile and you can see their set-piece threat. They have got good players and technicians who can hurt you.

''I thought Jon Flanagan for his first start was immense. The two centre-backs were fantastic again and Joe Aribo again gets an unbelievable goal.''

London-born Aribo is willing to represent the Super Eagles if he is approached by the Nigeria Football Federation.

If he continues with this level of consistency he is on his way to a big move.

This Dude is very hungry and determined he has had to fight his way to the top no free hand outs given to.him on the way.

BascoVanVeli:
You can get yourself distracted anywhere even if say na village you dey but that doesn't mean Everton is the same as the capital of the country.

The media is even different sef and that means the pressure is automatically dropped.

When you are in big club with multiple stars you find out there is less pressure on you.

That's both case with Iwobi in Arsenal very little pressure and not too much expectation.

But right now all eyes are in him in Everton with huge expectations from Manager and fans. It's like out of the small simmering frying pan and into the FIRE.

He has to develop mental resilience he is not with the comfort of family and familiar faces in London.

It's a big CHALLENGE but whatever happens he is laughing all the way to the Bank for the next 4/5 years.