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President GEJ takes constitutional review very lightly - this approach is revealing something about his approach to problem-solving . As mentioned in the article below ill-conceived & ill-timed. A little on the selfish side.

For the upteenth time there are reasons why the best democracries world over somehow stick with two terms of 4 years. A president that discusses very little with the nation cannot suddenly imagine himself to be wiser than the accumulated wisdom of these experiences.

The same fate that is befalling the "single term" proposal will befall the the "state of origin" proposal. I predict that the latter will die an even quicker death than the former. It is again ill-conceived, and kind of contradictory to the president's situation. He is from a state where they have gone to war over resource control and he became president precisely because for the first time ever a representative of Nigeria's source of foreign kudi stood for the presidency.

So, is the Niger Delta suggesting that they will now consider non-Niger Deltans as residents for resource allocation purposes? They don't want resource control anymore - just because by happenstance they found one of their sons in the presidency? You better believe that if you give a region's position to another region the former has the right to claim residency with respect to other issues e.g. resource control. Moreover, given the glee with which some people are waiting to use the "state of origin" proposal the other regions of the nation are going to make sure it goes to the dustbin.

You don't end tribalism by attempting to sweep ethnic identities under the carpet - what your are inviting is greater chaos. It is another shovel of sand in the unitary hole we started digging when the military took over in the 1960s - look where it got us today. More divided than ever.

Besides there are more fundamental issues that GEJ is leaving unaddressed. Security, Education, Corruption - not "oh lack of residency won't allow my friend to be a minister in my cabinet, so I  am going to change the constitution" kind of problem solving.

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/aug/09/national-09-08-2011-001.html
From ADETUTU FOLASADE-KOIYI, Abuja
Tuesday, August 09, 2011

Political inexpediency and ill-timing may have forced President Goodluck Jonathan to temporarily back down from presenting a single-term tenure bill of six years for the office of the President and state governors. Presidential spokesman, Dr. Reuben Abati told newsmen last month that President Jonathan was contemplating forwarding a bill of single term tenure for the President and governors in a fresh round of amendment of the 1999 Constitution.

But the plan has run into a hitch.
Daily Sun reported last week that the single term proposal suffered a setback when some legal experts engaged by the Villa to deliberate on the propriety of the bill differed on the proposal.

Fresh facts however, emerged yesterday that the decision to shelve the single term tenure bill for now was because of the inability of the president to secure the consent of the National Assembly.

The leadership of the National Assembly flatly refused to accept the proposal, which was considered ill-timed.
Besides, there is no fund allocated in the 2011 Appropriation Act for amendment of the Constitution.
Sources told Daily Sun yesterday that the President met the leadership of the National Assembly on plans to introduce the bill.
They told him to drop the idea, it was gathered. The leadership of the National Assembly reportedly told the President that the idea was not only ill-conceived, it was also ill-timed.

A ranking Senator privy to the meeting recounted how “the leadership told the President that such a weighty and sensitive bill should not have come from the Presidency in the first place.
“They told the President that he should have allowed the bill to emanate from the National Assembly, at best, from the Constitution Review Committee (CRC) when it decides to go ahead with another review of the 1999 Constitution.”
An analogy was drawn between the single term tenure bill and the third term clause which was defeated during the amendment of the Constitution during the fifth National Assembly.

In related development, it was also gathered that the decision to suspend the single term tenure proposal may actually have a remote factor in the paucity of funds in the National Assembly.
There is zero allocation for Constitution review in the 2011 budget. “That is why nothing has happened concerning the Constitution review since the inauguration of the seventh National Assembly.

“It is true that the House of Representatives has constituted a 37-member committee for its own CRC, but the Senate has not followed suit. This is because there is just no money for the exercise to start at all.

“Both Houses are looking in the direction of the management of the National Assembly for a loan to kick-start the exercise but it is not yet clear whether money can be borrowed from that source.

What analogy is baffling you? You said the government should step into your personal business - u didn't say, except bla bla bla. . .

I point out to you that indeed the government can, has, and will continue to control what you consider to be your "personal business" then you start issuing qualifiers.

Why not take your blinders off. I already anticipated your objection and answered, so who went to ekiti state university and who is carrying fake made in in Aba certificate

igbo boy:
UNa analogies dey baffle me!!! na ekiti state university u go (I sure)? You are comparing an event that is a National security problem (the boko haram menace) to ACN saying people should not travel at night (for what reason?)

typical ACN warrior, when pesin castigate ACN una go say na PDP hahaha, but u are right sha i sure aint no ACN, PDP? tufiakwa

Hatchet men showing their ignorance.

Aworis are Yorubas

The Awori are a tribe of the Yoruba people speaking a distinct dialect of the Yoruba language.
Traditionally, Awori are found in Ogun State and Lagos State, Nigeria. The Awori people migrated from Ile Ife and occupy present day Lagos state, with a comsiderable section of the Awori clan occupying areas within Ogun State as a direct fall out of the creation of Ogun State in 1976. Towns including Ota, Igbesa, Ilobi, Tigbo are all Awori settlements within today's Ogun State in Nigeria. The settlement of the Awori clan preceded the establishment of Abeokuta as an Egba kingdom in 1832, as Ota, the foremost Awori town within present day Ogun State was settled in the 15th century. The Awori are direct descendants of Olofin, one of the sons of Oduduwa - the father of the yoruba nation. As such, in accordance with Yoruba custom, they brought their crown along with them from Ile Ife. Osolo, one of the sons of Prince Olofin, settled at the Osi quarters as his father and his brother journeyed further south from the place where the plate sank at Idumota. The first crowned Oba at Ota was Oba Akinsewa Ogbolu in 1621, he was the son of Osolo.[1]

ezeagu:
Awori should not let themselves become the new Ogoni. Pushback the invading force!

B/4 you guys go to town on this you should know that the topic has been discussed to death here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=729430.msg8871684#msg8871684

FYI: Aworis are Yorubas

The Awori are a tribe of the Yoruba people speaking a distinct dialect of the Yoruba language.
Traditionally, Awori are found in Ogun State and Lagos State, Nigeria. The Awori people migrated from Ile Ife and occupy present day Lagos state, with a comsiderable section of the Awori clan occupying areas within Ogun State as a direct fall out of the creation of Ogun State in 1976. Towns including Ota, Igbesa, Ilobi, Tigbo are all Awori settlements within today's Ogun State in Nigeria. The settlement of the Awori clan preceded the establishment of Abeokuta as an Egba kingdom in 1832, as Ota, the foremost Awori town within present day Ogun State was settled in the 15th century. The Awori are direct descendants of Olofin, one of the sons of Oduduwa - the father of the yoruba nation. As such, in accordance with Yoruba custom, they brought their crown along with them from Ile Ife. Osolo, one of the sons of Prince Olofin, settled at the Osi quarters as his father and his brother journeyed further south from the place where the plate sank at Idumota. The first crowned Oba at Ota was Oba Akinsewa Ogbolu in 1621, he was the son of Osolo.[1]

olas2u:
This should not be accepted at all,lagosians cannot do same in other land within Nigeria

amor4ce:
But, didn't they sell their lands to outsiders for money, just like the mirror and whiskey story?

Official and unofficial corruption will continue to bedevil any developmental efforts in Nigeria until we elevate serious ones like this to the leve of capital punishment as they have in China.

Enough said.

EFCC Busts $3.5b Power Project Scam (By Yusuf Alli07/08/2011 00:05:00)

The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) has foiled an attempt to swindle a US-based company, Sunergy Worldwide Incorporated of about $3.5billion over a non-existing power project in the country.

Also, the commission has launched a manhunt for the Managing Director of the Nigerian firm, Arvokad Resources Plc, Mr. Jonathan Dike, who was allegedly central to the scam.

Investigation by our correspondent showed that the MD and directors of Arvokad had sought partnership with the American firm to build a $7billion solar energy plant.

Based on bid documents with purported official endorsement of the project by the Ministry of Power and Energy, the American company accepted to fund the project.

But at the point of remitting its 50 per cent of the cost of the project, the bubble burst following discovery by the American firm that Arvokad was not involved in any IPP plant in Nigeria .

A top source in the anti-graft commission, who spoke in confidence, said: “The controversial Nigerian firm, Arvokad, is purportedly located at 138, Aba – Owerri Road in Abia State.

“According to preliminary findings by the EFCC, Arvokad sought a deal with the American company by claiming that it was acting on behalf of the Ministry of Power and Energy.  Arvokad sought for partnership with Sunergy and asked the American firm to submit a quotation of $7bilion for a solar energy power project for the Federal Government.

The US company did as directed and thereafter, it was informed that it has been short-listed as the favoured bidder by the Contract Award Committee of the Ministry of Power and Energy.”

The source added, “As part of our discovery, officials of Arvokad impersonated a former Minister of Power, Nuhu Wya , by presenting documents claiming that the ex-Minister presided over the contract award committee,” and asked the American firm to remit 50 per cent of the counterpart funding valued at $3.5 billion.

“But shortly before the remittance, the CEO of Sunergy Worldwide Incorporated, Yua Xu contacted the recently established EFCC’s Transaction Clearing Platform (TCP) to verify the authenticity of the contract details. The TCP cautioned the American firm to withhold the remittance of the counterpart funds pending verification. And at the end of the day, it turned out to be a big scam and the affected foreign firm was communicated, and advised not to remit any money.”

The source said the EFCC is already on the trail of the Managing Director of Arvokad, Jonathan Dike and any of its directors.  “We have launched a manhunt for all those with stakes in the company; we will certainly arrest them for necessary grilling, “the source said.

Contacted, the Head of Media and Publicity of the EFCC, Mr. Femi Babafemi said: “We have bust the scam but investigation is in progress.”

http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/news/15007-efcc-busts-3-5b-power-project-scam.html

I prefer the ACN brand, but I am not ACN - and they haven't said anything about SLS, probably for the same reason GEJ has kept mute - it is a political trap.

As for me, when this story took off on NL (you were still on orientation/leave from NL ), the last line of my pre-amble to the story was basically calling for his sack: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-673270.0.html#msg8374065

Since then we have educated ourselves here on NL about Islamic Banking, and if SLS had approached this the proper way it wouldn't have generated the heat it did. They just have to make sure that:
1) the banks do not become mirrors for passing Nigeria's money into fake Sharia-Compliant private businesses;
2) ensure it does not discriminate against christians; and
3) keep in check the tendency of fanatics to interpret anything with "Islamic" in the name religiously and use violence  when it doesn't work out.

Having learnt a lot from the many contributions I would not recommend SLS be sacked. He should however get a good talking-to from the president and give a firm assurance to be more sensititive to the multi-religious nature of the state in the future.

I think GEJ is simply waiting the next two years out to replace him. This is a wise course - SLS himself should not expect any different.

Beaf:
If a vote was to be cast today for Sanusi's sack, where would your ACN vote, and why? Abeg, mek we hear word! Its all about fake separatism for envelopes.

I'll try to or the movie might come on again soon.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=729722.msg8874559#msg8874559 date=1312735118]LOL Try to remember nau. any English movie with Yoruba in it is worth the watch.[/quote]

Ki n'se Yoruba movie - Was an English movie, but Loco was injecting Yoruba into it at every turn - particularly while arguing with his wife .

Can't even remember the title now.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=729722.msg8874487#msg8874487 date=1312734515]^Koruji
Yoruba movies wo ni yen? Emi o ti ri oju e lori Yoruba films kankan o.[/quote]

Sad. I had nothing seen his act in a long time, until recently, bringing back good memories of his good acting - and fluent command of Yoruba.

May his sould rest in perfect peace.

ak47mann:
Sam Loco Efe, the popular Nollywood actor and comedian whose career help jumpstart the famous Nollywood movie industry in Nigeria is dead.
Sam died today in his hotel room in Owerri, Imo state shortly after returning from location. He was 66.

I understand that others may not see it as any kind of solution, but I am not as dismissive. At least the people who have had problems cooking food for lack of kerosene will tell you it is a solution, but they & the ones doing the distributing should realize it is bad policy - so we agree on that.

We need an avenue for getting better ideas to them. These ACN governors & Okorocha, among others, are showing that they are looking for solutions to the people's problems, and would implement it if it is within their powers. As it stands, I am afraid the current approach is what is within the powers of state governors, so they do it.

It cannot become a habit. What they need to do with the Governor's forum is use it to force the FG into real reforms that will bring succour to the people.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=729651.msg8874387#msg8874387 date=1312733691]Koruji,
In comparison to SE, Osun citizens are not far flung from home. Regardless, its a bad policy and in reference to calling it a shor term solution, this is not a solution by any timeline, minute, short or long!
These Governors lack ideas and foresight.
What is the problem they are attempting to solve with the free kerosene approach?[/quote]

For your information, Osun State governor distributed 330,000 litres in Osun.

[size=14pt]However, this is really bad policy.[/size]

The reason the state governors had to do this was the FG's incompetence of everything that matters in Nigeria to itself. [size=14pt]This state governors are falling into the same trap if they make this a habit - it is only a short-term solution at best.[/size]

bellten:
This man Okorocha is outclassing a lot of his mates with style. Let's see if they can come up with a good response.

bellten:
I don't know my brother. But the one thing I know is that his policies are making life a lot easier for many Imolites.

He is like their big father. I hope he continues to lighten their burdens.

You just keep jumping around with your accusations. Second coming of Jesus? I thought that was what GEJ was supposed to be with his promises to transform Nigeria, end tribalism and such high fallutin stuff among a littany of other promises. And yes, "every knee shall bow" to GEJ according to you - that sounds more like Jesus than anybody I can remember.

Tea party in the U.S., blackmail for egunje - bring out your evidences for open debate instead of this "trust me" you are engaged in.

Beaf:
I really don't care if ACN is the second coming of Jesus. I am talking about how they carry on like the Tea Party in the US, pretending to be right wing when all their leaders do is blackmail for egunje.

Dear Kobojunkie,

Hope this meets you well. I write on this 7th of August in the year of our Lord 2011.

First of all, it is my considered opinion that your reply to my earlier commentary makes too many assumptions about what I think about ACN's suggestions - and of course ignored the fact that you were the one pointing out the obvious to me. You didn't have to tell me or given me a hint about why night travel is of value to those who do it, particularly since those same reasons are among the ones I put up right in my original post about why the ACN suggestion is at best a short term idea.

Two, I put the idea of "selection bias" in simple terms hoping that you will not see this as somebody giving you an excuse. However, to you there is "no such thing as selection bias in this". FYI, this concept is a formal one among those who deal in statistics and this kind of situation, in which unmeasured actions can change the nature of your the data, is precisely where it is applicable. You are the one being moronic because you fail to take the time to find out more about a concept you might not be aware of, rather than dismiss it out of hand.

Third, if it was my cause to defend the ACN statement I would not have posted the article in the first place, knowing fully well there are people waiting to take advantage.  Instead, I am convinced that [size=14pt]open and honest debate is the only way we will find good solutions to our problems [/size] - people should not be afraid to state their opinion, even if silly, as long as they are prepared to change it in the face of evidence. I hope that people will be more honest in their commentaries, and pay attention to othersviewpoints when they make their own comments, instead of hanging on to one point without yielding, even when they are saying exactly the same things. An important part of any discussion, I am afraid, is to figure out the intention of the commentator in interpreting their comments. In this case, you have attributed wrong intentions to my comments - hence you addressing my comments from completely wrong angles.

Finally, it seems that you were just asking if anyone has concrete data to support this "fact", but you are now actually saying that it has been a fact for 20 years. Go and preach to the FRSC & the Nigerian people, not me. My very first post made it clear that I do not believe the ACN proposition as a sustainable solution, if at all, & I am sure they are prepared to re-adjust their thinking as long as we are moving towards a solution to the real problem. I commend the fact that ACN is not numb to the issue simply because "it has being a FACT for 20 YEARS". Certainly, neither you nor I nor PDP brought up the issue, even though a serious one - so we really have no right to be knocking ACN for paying attention to something that we seem to have accepted as a fact of life. That is the basis for my commendation, not the suggested solution.

Go back and read the very first post carefully if all these are not obvious - and you will find out that much of your complaints about what I have said about this issue holds zero water - I am aware that this suggestions annoys you every time someone says it, but you see to read posts with jaded eyes.

Yours NLDly
koruji - ESQ. (Attorney for the Nigerian Cause)

Kobojunkie:
So, instead of the FRSC to provide the lights, calling on people to suspend their night travels seems wiser to you?? /-:
Where did you get this from?
Excuse you? This FACT of yours has been a fact for about 20 years now. Stop pushing this as if it only became noticed two minutes ago, or when ACN opened it's mouth on this.

Again, during my college years in Nigeria, that has been the case . . . so I am not sure what this FACT will do here to help your cause on this. ACN opening it's mouth 20 years later, to decide to curbing the people's movement will be the best way to go about tackling a problem that has persisted in the last 20 years is, for lack of a better word, dumb.

WHAT? If People FEEL bad about night travel then they DON'T Travel at night. Night Travel is not compulsory. However, their FEELINGS ought not to be used to HAMPER the movement of those who do not share the same fears. Is that is not clear enough?

There is NO SUCH THING as 'selection bias' in this. Night travel has never been for all -- it's been a choice -- it has always been just for those who have no problems with it. I chose to travel by night myself because it seemed a faster and more efficient way to getting around considering the bad roads in Nigerias. You don't just impose laws on a section simply because of the FEARS of another section, without making sure DATA/EVIDENCE backs up these fears. That is just moronic.


FRSC is the body in charge of ensuring our roads are safe for our travellers. It is not for the FRSC to REFUSE to carry out it's duties but instead restrict people's movements instead.

To add to what makes sense, not encourage the senseless, OK?? This suggestion is senseless, and as Nigerians we ought to be against anything that curbs the freedoms of the people. Not seek ways to IMPOSE silly rules on people when the Problem is nowhere connected to them in the first place.

You are really showing a "true" face. Can you fight ACN for PDP without becoming an ethnic bigot. Where did you find "ACN's logic of ethnic separation"?

ACN helped liberate a people from the evil claws of PDP and you are here talking about ethnic separation logic. How about the logic of throwing off leaders who have had a good chance, but could not meet the aspirations of the people. If you know what is good for you in Balyesa you would find an alternative to PDP - it doesn't have to be ACN mind you. If ACN doesn't work for the SW, they would also be replaced, but never with PDP and its pack of thieves - as long as free choice is allowed during election time.

Beaf:
Sacking sanusi will require 2/3's of the senate vote; http://www.abududalley.net/publications/CENTRAL%20BANK%20OF%20NIGERIA%20ACT%202007%20-%20SIGNIFICANT%20CHANGES.pdf

There are 109 senators (3 per state and one for the FCT). 82 will be required if GEJ decides to give Sanusi the boot.
The states in red will be expected to vote against a sanusi sacking due to ethnic and religious factors. While those purple would do so, because it helps with ACN's logic of ethnic seperation, that will leave just 72 votes to play with, well short of 2/3's and not all would be sure.

Sanusi is an immovable blot on the nations landscape.

1.Abia
2.Adamawa
3.Akwa Ibom
4.Anambra
5.Bauchi
6.Bayelsa
7.Benue
8.Borno
9.Cross River
10.Delta
11.Ebonyi
12.Edo
13.Ekiti
14.Enugu
15.Gombe
16.Imo
17.Jigawa
18.Kaduna
19.Kano
20.Katsina
21.Kebbi
22.Kogi
23.Kwara
24.Lagos
25.Nasarawa
26.Niger
27.Ogun
28.Ondo
29.Osun
30.Oyo
31.Plateau
32.Rivers
33.Sokoto
34.Taraba
35.Yobe
36.Zamfara
37.Abuja FCT

You too dey find trouble. What is the difference between your last statement and my third phrase about the value of night travel to travellers, including lack of congestion at night. So, why do you have to give it as a hint to me

On your second statement, I don't know if accidents are more likely at night than during the day, but it probably goes both ways. Yes, the roads are deserted at night, but the lack of light means that those gullies (called roads) are likely to eat up your car b/4 you realize it.

As for the notion that it is general knowledge in Nigeria that travellers, particularly private ones, avoid travel at night there is no concrete data - just like with almost everything else. However, unless you are unaware of what is going on in Nigeria it is a FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL OF BECAUSE THEY PERCEIVE AN INCREASED CHANCE OF BEING ROBBED. Whether that is really the case or not depened on many other things. That people have the perception is however not in dispute. For example, during a recent trip to eople talked about that danger on a personal level on at least two occassions. There was even someone headed to Ilesa from Lagos, who on getting to Ibadan at 7pm decided it was not worth the risk to keep going, prefering to sleep in Ibadan to take off early the next day.

You keep asking about concrete data, but fail to realize that the data would only capture what actually happens - not necessarily how people feel about it and how they are preventing it. We call this problem "selection bias". In other words, if a lot of people already take themselves out of night travel then comparing data on robbery events between day and night travel may suggest to you that you are likely to get robbed during the day than at night - because the number of potential night events has been reduced before the data could ever be collected. So in this case familiarity with people's fears might actually tell you more about what is going on.

As for pointing out that not only ACN suggested this solution, it was not an excuse - as it was right there in the story that the FRSC has being advising commercial travellers to avoid night travel, confirming the fact that this is a general fear & thought process in Nigeria.

What we can add to the situation is not to seek to shut up the ACN - who more than any other party actually thinks about people's welfare issues (at least from my viewpoint) - but to contribute to the discussion on finding a real solution.

Kobojunkie:
I take it you do not have answers but are simply trying to offer more irrational arguments for what ACN suggested here, huh??  And I am also guessing you are of the assumption that attacks probably happen more at night than in broad day light on Nigerian roads .   

I don't know how well you know Nigeria but attacks and accidents happen during both night and day on our roads. My own experience was in broad day light and there was no other car stopping to help even at that.  There's really not been any data presented in over the last 20 years to show that the situation is worse at night than in the day --- no, not by even the FRSC. And if the FRSC is serious, it would at least start by addressing the main reasons why the attacks remain possible on our roads.

For pete's sake  . . . do you drive at night? Yes or no!!!By your understanding, do you think that your chances of getting into an accident increases at night, than during the day?  Please at least answer one question.

hint: Even Nigerian roads are deserted at night and so the roads are more open for drivers to ply at night than in the day.

You obviously are only after the ACN nomenclature. Being your personal business doesn't mean it cannot be addressed as part of a dire security situation?

You PDP lovers are bi-polar just because of what you are after. When GEJ locked down Abuja and ordered businesses to shutdown after 6pm due to the fear of Boko Haram not one word was heard from you guys. You might say that is an emergency situation, but the fact is the PDP government told you where you could eat & drink, and at what time. If that is not your personal business, according to your statements below, then nothing is.

igbo boy:
Delving into peoples business is not the role of any opposition party, If they were talking about how to jump start economy, provide jobs and such i would say yes they are in the right, But when it comes to whether i want to travel at night or day by bus it does not concern ACN at all, Yes we know the dangers of traveling in Nigeria at night but that is people's personal business if they want to risk their lives,

you bring up yankee, how many times have you heard opposition bring up such a silly idea- oh dont travel by bike after 4pm and such? Your analogies are always warped.

Aworis are Yoruba - only in deluded minds are Awori supposed to see themselves any different from Yoruba.

Your illusions know no bounds.

The Awori are a tribe of the Yoruba people speaking a distinct dialect of the Yoruba language.
Traditionally, Awori are found in Ogun State and Lagos State, Nigeria. The Awori people migrated from Ile Ife and occupy present day Lagos state, with a comsiderable section of the Awori clan occupying areas within Ogun State as a direct fall out of the creation of Ogun State in 1976. Towns including Ota, Igbesa, Ilobi, Tigbo are all Awori settlements within today's Ogun State in Nigeria. The settlement of the Awori clan preceded the establishment of Abeokuta as an Egba kingdom in 1832, as Ota, the foremost Awori town within present day Ogun State was settled in the 15th century. The Awori are direct descendants of Olofin, one of the sons of Oduduwa - the father of the yoruba nation. As such, in accordance with Yoruba custom, they brought their crown along with them from Ile Ife. Osolo, one of the sons of Prince Olofin, settled at the Osi quarters as his father and his brother journeyed further south from the place where the plate sank at Idumota. The first crowned Oba at Ota was Oba Akinsewa Ogbolu in 1621, he was the son of Osolo.[1]

ak47mann:
Yoruba people should stop this habit of dominating Lagos as their land, the indigenous people like aworis should not let the large migration of yorubas dominate them, how can they allow Yoruba people dominate them in the first place?

What kind of questions are this now? It is common knowledge, particularly for private travellers, that you don't embark on a long journey in Nigeria if you are starting later than 6pm. The commercial transporters risk it because they have being carrying armed guards and it is a valuable business devoid of day-travel congestions. However, the armed robbers are becoming even more daring in their acts - hence ACN's sense of urgency.

The original article also mentioned that even the FRSC has being advising transporters to stop night travels - so this is not just something that the ACN chieftain dreamed up. As I mentioned before we tend to take this approach to finding solutions to problems in Nigeria. The idea is probably unworkable, and even if it is, it can only be a short-term proposition.

Kobojunkie:
Do you have some verifiable evidence of this or are you just making claims as we always do in that country? The decision here was made because 14 people died, but then I have read stories of more than that number perishing in daytime accidents on our roads. So how can you now declare night travel is more dangerous? If this is really for the good of the people, why not then ban traveling all together if you believe it will save people's lives, no be the people go travel the same accident prone roads during the day? How does that help the issue?

Why won't you believe the words of a well-documented killer without any basis in fact?

Reveals the kind of mind that inhabits your body.

[quote author=High_Chief link=topic=729376.msg8870971#msg8870971 date=1312674310]I believe that guy is saying the truth, but then again we know our country too well[/quote]

Do you people really think this kind of thing up for yourself or somebody really opened up your cranium to put fecal matter in there?

If Yorubas are thieving in their own land what name shall we call the Igbos in Lagos then - marauders sounds too lenient. Will have to come up with something stronger.

Mumu people.

Onlytruth:
I think the Aworis should chase these thieving Yorubas back to their own part of SW. Enough of all these deceit.
They should ally with Igbo to contest under APGA in the next elections. We will vote for them.

Isn't that the outcome you guys hope for. Find an excuse for GEJ to fulfill the deal with the devil to release Al-Mustapha by creating shadows of doubt through innuendo.

Your reverse reasoning holds no water. If he has truth on his side these 13 years he would have presented. You people should not think anybody is deceived by your antics & such irreverence might generate terrible consequences.

Beaf:
Both Dr. Fasheun and Gani Adams have been very consistent with their claims. There has to be something worth investigating.
Obviously, Al Mustapha is keeping everyone in suspense with the hope that some of the guilty persons would set influencial phones ringing and spring him out of jail. That must not be allowed to happen; since the man made his claims under oath, he must be forced to prove them. The days of highwire, "Nigeria is in my pocket" games are over.

ACN think Nigeria is like the SW? What is Nigeria like - the land of Boko Haramites & kidnappers, nation of no light always, bad roads, thiefing politicians. The stench that PDP left in place in the SW is what the ACN is trying to clean up.

ACN has talked about security, and its governors are putting in place better security, roads, transport system and other programs that PDP could not/will not dream about in 12 years of rule & wasting our time.

blackboy:
ACN, think Nigeria is like d SW where they can just wake up and dictate to the people what they want. They should think before they talk. The incident has happened let ACN talk about security , better roads and better and safer transport sysytem instead of trying to make life more harder for Nigerians .

They too like banning, taxing, revoking and quoting law. They should be sincere with the people not opening their moth unnecessarily.

Vultures manufacturing carcases so they feed on it.

I am amazed at the unreasonableness with which some people here are attacking ACN for speaking out on a people welfare issue. The proposed solution may not be right, but the fact is that thinking about it as a party is what we want as Nigerians. Unlike PDP that is really in charge but would not address any problem unless it is to make political gain.

As Yorubas would say "N'kan ti e fe je ko je k'egban" i.e. "Your focus on filling your stomach has taken your senses away", but you are the fool for it. Why is that? Well, do you know what your PDP government's response to Boko Haram bombings in Abuja was? That's right. They turned Abuja into a ghost town - imposing a curfew on the capital city of a 150 million strong nation, most businesses have to shut down at 6pm and they road-blocked paths into Abuja creating mile-long hold ups. At that time, none of you ACN condemning whiz-kids called GEJ and his govt. names. I guess PDP "works" for you, but this attempts to bring ACN down to the level of PDP is not going to work as thinking people can see right through it.

By the way the same ACN that you are condemning so much is the one that immediately called for a security summit that would examine the entire Nigeria security system to bring much needed reforms. However, the PDP govt. is entirely "wise" it does not need to discuss anything with anybody. We are waiting for the "transformation" that was promised to reach our security system.

lagerwhenindoubt:
When ACN loyalists, sycophants and Tinubu apologists come to roost , alcohol aplenty and beer-filled conversations become the order of the day

The Security of this Nation (Not just the Oduduwa Nation) is a fundamental and indeed pivotal base for Economic, Social, Political progress. Security ensures Justice and Justice ensures Democracy. ACN are just looking at scoring any point. This problem is not new and even a secondary school student will tell you that the proposal is a hair-brain effort at best. What ACN should have pointed out and backed-up with intelligent discourse (obviously impossible when you are intoxicated) is how to bring Police Reforms back to the drawing board and offer practical steps to gradually improve Security in the Nigeria. What ACN has done is to demonstrate the weakness and flimsiness in their propaganda machine. Real issues are hardly discussed with the intention of proffering solutions instead they are used to score political points instead of truly addressing the needs of the people.

@Poster suspending Night Travel, why not suspend movement after 6:00PM all over Nigeria. Security lapses must be addressed that is the direction ACN should have proposed rather than this half-wit presentation not even suited for a primary school debate

Yeah their "thang" they have not being doing for 12 years.

igbo boy:
Why is ACN always acting like they are the government? Una no win national presidential election so biko Sharap, When una fit win then una go fit dey seek orders and laws and all those BS, in the mean time sharap let the govt of bros J do their thang,

That was so easy for you to condemn ACN. Wasn't it.

ACN as a party, its leadership and many of its elected officials have their hearts in the right place. And that is saying a lot when it comes to Nigeria. ACN being a progressive party probably realizes that its solutions will not always be correct, but that open discussion of issues and potential solutions, and a willingness to re-adjust thinking is the long-term way to succeed as a progressive party. ACN has the basic setup and outlook to bring true change to Nigeria, but that does not mean that they are immune from our general "situation" as a country.

You can go back to your PDP and its cluelessness, but I prefer the ACN brand.

Still I would not beforehand throw away anything that PDP proposes until I examine it. Although given 12 years of experience most of their proposals are likely to be based on selfish ends.

VUVUZELA10:
These benighted political leeches and parasites masquerading the political landscape as leaders wouldn’t stop amusing us. When will they step out of their winter of absurdity? If a National Publicity Secretary of a second biggest party in Nigeria is putting on a garment laced with lack of ideas then Asiwaju Congress of Nigeria is not an alternative now and in the future. NO Mr. NO. Stop thinking with your mouth.

It is easy to jump away from the point of the analogy and u did it again below - by going into narrating your night travels. You don't think the ACN knows that bad things don't happen all the time when you travel. There is something that distinguish the night travel situation ACN is concerned about from day travel or any other time of travel. The solution to it is not as simple as ACN recommended. Similarly, there is a problem with your proposed solution below - there are thousands of points where the robbers can operate from, and they can game the police. Thus, like the ACN recommendation (which admittedly may not be as good as yours) these are all temporary.

The last part of your reply give the same basic reasons I gave in my original post for believing that night travel is a valuable economic activity.

PointB:
lol, unfortunately sir, I dont eat apu, and I not also hungry.
To the issue at hand. I understand the use of analogy, but in this case the analogy you presented is faulty ab initio. I strongly disagree that bad things happen (only) when you travel at night. I have traveled at Night at various times, nothing bad happened to me. This situation is that brigands taken over a section of the road. The temporary measure here should not suspension of night travel, rather it should be a show of force! FG should flood the area with security agents (patrols, checkpoints, and what have you). Traveling at night has alot of economic; suspending it for any reason is out of the question. And like I said, how do you enforce it? With the same security agent who should rather be going after the bad guys?

You can call it crap if you want, but I am not calling it crap.

I commended ACN for paying attention to this issue. Given that, I am not about to call it crap since I want more attention to be paid to the issue. If it wasn't clear enough for you I don't consider this a great solution, so I suggested that if at all, such suspension can only be short-term, depending on how critical things are.

Kobojunkie:
what "solution"? Why in the world are you COMMENDING this NONSENSE from people who are supposed to speak on behalf of the people?
Na only during night travel accidents and robbery dey happen on those highways? na so dem tell you?

As for you PointB, U are fortunate I do like drinking garri, but I am not hungry right now - so if you are hungry go eat apu

It is not "equated" my friend, it is an analogy. The only comparison between the two situations is the narrow part about the recommendation by the doctor (ACN) on the travel issue. Of course, you cannot equate travel at night to damaged legs (the analogy here is that something bad happens when you try both). You cannot also equate ACN to a doctor (again the analogy is merely that they are both giving a recommendation about a problem). The third analyogy is that both recommenations are temporary.

PointB:
My friend go drink garri, you are obviously hungry. 
Traveling at night can never be equated with walking on damaged legs (which kain analogy be dat?) Nigerians have been traveling at night for ages. The authorities should remove whatever obstacle (robbers and brigands) that are obstructing to free movement of people - whether day or night. Temporary suspension is not a solution, not even in the short term. And it is not even enforceable to begin with.

What do you mean what do I mean? Where is the crap so I can call it crap?

Kobojunkie:
um . . . what do you even mean? Abeg please . . . when you see crap, call it it crap!

Abeg go siddon somewhere

Seriously, you are wrong in suggesting that ACN is proposing not travelling at all i.e. like a doctor telling you not to move around. The doctor (ACN) in this case is telling you to suspend walking ON DAMAGED legs (equivalent to traveling at night) NOT suspend/ban moving aroundat all (which would have been like suggesting not to travel at all).

You need to be aware of the law of analogies, I guess - everyone of them break down at some point and so must not be taken out of context.

PointB:
No sir, it is not an idiotic proposal, it rather a VERY IDIOTIC proposal; stemming from paucity of progressive ideas from a so-called progressive party. The analogy you gave is very misleading. Even those without legs find ways to move around let alone those with just broken legs. What is the use of walking aid, especially if it is critical that you move around. How about wheel chairs?

Let us try another analogy here. When MEND were busy blowing up pipelines, why didn't FG suspend temporarily, the exportation of crude oil? A credible answer to that will show you that ACN suggestion is an ill thought, knee jerk reaction! It is not implementable!

It is not an idiotic proposal if it is short-term and the situation is critical. It is like when the doctor tells you can't walk on a broken leg for a few weeks. It would be idiotic if he were to tell you to stop walking altogether, but he may advise you to "suspend" walking on those legs.

I hope you note the difference Suspension NOT EQUAL ban

jamace:
What an idiotic proposal! But planes have been perishing passengers lives. Why has airtravel not been banned?

Yeah, it is a general approach to finding "solutions" to problems in Nigeria that even a progressive party like ACN has to realize and combat.

Kobojunkie:
So, instead for pushing harder for the problem to come to an end, LIMITING the freedom of the people, to travel when they want, is now considered a solution??

I don't know why people like to compare apples and oranges around here. If Slobadan were tried by people he directly affected with his crime you better believe they would have forgone court trials.

American will never treat those ex-presidents like that because those ex-presidents never sank to the level of African despots. In reality though if Americans were treated by a ruler like Mubarak treated people in Egypt you better believe they will put his head on a stake when they get him.

However, the American people don't even play with their freedom. As such, before a leader gets so powerful to behave like Mubarak he would be long dead as in d-e-a-d.

Let me give you an example of the recent case of the Senator from Alaska or let Wikipedia inform you how Americans treat people who gets caught violating public rules. After reading his brief history and what happened to him then read about this entire crime in the following quote, then you will realize that Americans will never any leader like Mubarak in their midst.

Theodore Fulton "Ted" Stevens, Sr. (November 18, 1923 – August 9, 2010)[1][2][3] was a United States Senator from Alaska, serving from December 24, 1968, until January 3, 2009, and thus the second longest-serving Republican senator in history. He was President pro tempore in the 108th and 109th Congresses from January 3, 2003, to January 3, 2007, and the third senator to hold the title of President pro tempore emeritus.

Stevens served for six decades in the American public sector, beginning with his service in World War II. In the 1950s, he held senior positions in the Eisenhower Interior Department. He played key roles in legislation that shaped Alaska's economic and social development, including the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act, the Trans-Alaska Pipeline Authorization Act, the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act, and the Magnuson–Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act. He was also known for his sponsorship of the Amateur Sports Act of 1978, which resulted in the establishment of the United States Olympic Committee.

In 2008, Stevens was embroiled in a federal corruption trial as he ran for re-election to the Senate. He was found guilty, and eight days later was narrowly defeated at the polls.[4] Six months later his conviction was dismissed on grounds of gross prosecutorial misconduct.[5]

On August 9, 2010, Stevens died in a plane crash[6] while en route to a private lodge.

On July 29, 2008, Stevens was indicted by a federal grand jury on seven counts of failing to properly report gifts,[71][72] a felony,[73] and found guilty at trial three months later (October 27, 2008).[73] The charges relate to renovations to his home and alleged gifts from VECO Corporation, claimed to be worth more than $250,000.[74][75] The indictment followed a lengthy investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) for possible corruption by Alaskan politicians and was based on Stevens's relationship with Bill Allen. Allen, then an oil service company executive, had earlier pleaded guilty – with sentencing suspended pending his cooperation in gathering evidence and giving testimony in other trials – to bribing several Alaskan state legislators

Quote from: Roland17 on Yesterday at 04:52:01 PM
I agree with BABA on this one, putting a frail old mind in the cage is inhuman and undignified, America would never treat any of its ex president that way, even if they are found guilty of heinous crimes , even the culprit of the biggest Genocide ever, Slobadan Milosovic was not treated like a Dog, the Norwegian extremist that was recently arrested for mass murder is still being treated with respect and care.