@abdulazeez1002, it is better you use your time for better things. Free advice

tintingz:
You still don't see the flaws here.

Like you said Allah already know before creation this terrible cruel punishment will happen, he has the power to stop it from happening but he went ahead with his plan. No matter the messagers he sent or books he revealed these things will still happen, it has been destined except he doesn't know.

The point is you just wanna argue and argue and argue your head out. You are not ready to reason with answers that people give you. You already know the answer in your mind and had a preconceived notions about a subject before. So no matter proofs, sound analogies people give you, you will certainly twist it/turn blind eye to suit your whims. You are not worthy the time and energy. It is not about projecting about you, seriously you are not sincere with yourself and it would be very hard to convince someone who's not sincere with himself.

It is like lending a blind man a pair of reading glasses, wallah it is useless.

tintingz:

Or let me make it more clearer.

A mother knew putting her baby on the floor where there's a needle will be harmful for the baby but she went ahead to put the baby on the floor and the baby swallowed the needle. Who's to be blame here? Why didn't the mother pick the needle from the floor to avoid any harmful thing on her child or she just deliberately leave the needle and and also put the baby on the floor when she knows what will happen?

Sino has answered a similar question to this (on this same thread), but you are not ready to read and understand. You are just ready to ridicule, mock, and claim to be intelligent and play blind games. Argue about things you have little knowledge about.
Read

sino:
The baby needs to be protected by you, cos the baby isn't equipped to make decisions yet! You on the other hand, knows better, but still went on to make a bad decision! Is God to be blamed for this?! Even at that, God still wants you to make the right decision and continues to give you respite, but do you care?!

https://www.nairaland.com/4928579/did-allah-know-what-happen/1#74622904

But Tintingz WILL NEVER see it, and if he does he will play blind game and still went ahead to use the same argument that has been debunked and explained to him on another thread. Very pathetic.

Sino asked you some questions that would have crumbled the foundations of your atheism (if you have answered sincerely) but pride and arrogance won't let you just as Sissie asserted.


He asked

sino:
The question is
Do you know your destiny? If it is hidden, but you sure know you are free to make your own choices, how does that contradict or conflict with your destiny which you do not know?!
I have asked you a couple of times:
Do you feel you are being forced to make your choices?!
Are your choices made consciously?!

Someone having knowledge of all your possible actions and choices, doesn't take away your ability to choose! That someone is not choosing for you, you are making choices for yourself on a daily basis! Except you know the future, your destiny would be dependent on your own actions and choices.

https://www.nairaland.com/4928579/did-allah-know-what-happen/1#74622904


But Boda Taiwo won't answer those questions sincerely because it won't destroy his beliefs and the thread would be rendered meaningless.


So you can continue with your mocking, ridiculing, blind games and be priding yourself in the mediocre knowledge you claim to possess. Wait, I am one of those who are waiting



Peace.

Rilwayne001:
Today makes it exactly a year when I was so broke I went inside the bank to withdraw N800. The cashier didn't even bring the money from the drawer. She just brought out 1k from her pocket like "Guy comot".

Ma fi radarada se mi lowo
Alaye ba ti e lo. Shey you give am change #200?

Empiree:
lol. That's like peanut. Reminds me of early 90s. I don't remember exact yr. My brother almost zeroed out his bank account. Only #150 left there. Even though at that time naira still had little value but not like 150. One hundred and fifty naira was definitely nothing at that time. My brother took me to the bank to withdraw remaining balance. That time we would sit and they called our names. He said if they call his name I should answer and go forward to collect the money. He was shy to withdraw #150

No be him money?! There was a time I wanna withdraw my last 1k (I get #1,050 or so in the account) when I was in school, na so the bank commot charges of #52 before I reached ATM stand. (I haven't gotten the alert for the deduction o)

I inserted my card, the thing said "Insufficient funds, unable to dispend". The thing vexed me, na so I check my balance and say "#995.06", the mumu has deducted their charges.

I just entered bank, picked up a teller and wrote "#10 (Ten Naira only) on it. When it was my turn and the lady saw the amount, she looked at me with one yeye eye, me no look oju uche oo, I just bone face ni. (In my mind, if them born una well, na add am for my account, no be my account )

Lol, that's one of the craziest things I have ever done Sha

SlaveryWorks:


So did the owner receive a death threat? The writer of this propaganda piece conviently glosses over any negative connotations and is vague on details. The thread you linked was interesting, however it’s fairly short and leaves me with more questions than answers. I’m going to gather a couple more facts before I conclude my assessment.

To the first question, I don't know. The thread is short cos of the loss of nairaland data back then. The thread reached over 15 pages then.

The summary of the thread is what I posted from the writer. Since you have decided to call it a propaganda, there's a little I can to help.

Good luck with your findings.

SlaveryWorks:


I’m curious as to how this played out. Where can I find information on this event?

Read this

udatso:

Even though there might be some very few truth in what you said. I think you have mixed some things up. On Islam for Muslim section there are two major events that happened and somehow you are mixing the two.

The first was creation of the Islam for Muslim thread. Though I wasn't active on nairaland when it happened but I heard beer parlor rumor of se.un was issued fatwa and a threat to his life made him create a separate section for Muslims.....this was never confirmed as he never denied it nor affirmed it. I believe you are a reasonable person and taking rumoured gossip as fact is beneath you

The second was the creation of oath on Muslim threads. I witnessed this and please bear it in mind that Muslims never asked se.un to place oath on our threads.

There are some events that eventually lead to this.
It so happened that many Christians derived joy in insulting all that the Muslims hold dear.....As a result strict rules and regulations were placed to avoid chaos....It happened that while the Christian mods were too flexible with implementing the rules by punishing offenders, the then Muslim mod was far from that. He ensured that once you break the rules , he places ban on you that ranges from month to years.(quiet commendable I must say). During this era, we had some peace as many knew not to mess up in the Islam section.

However some aggrieved parties complained to se.un about the ban and to the dismay of the Muslims, their topics no longer grace the fp. When we asked for reason from such actions, he replied that it's safer he doesn't put our topics on fp so the bigots can avoid our topics......but it still wasn't enough as fp or not, they would always misbehave. He actually said the Muslim mods agreed to his decision which they denied. So Muslims further complained to se.un to return their topics back to fp as punishing those offended was the wrong way to do things.


The height of it all was one idiot went to Islam thread and posted pornographic pictures there...
After much consideration and suggestions were made from Muslims, se.un said that he would think of what to do....
Our topics returned to fp thereafter the oath was placed.....

I have to admit that to some extent the oath has helped kicked out some bigots away from Islam section but there are actually those who would still falsely take oath just to insult Muhammad (pbuh) or Allah or anything about Islam
...
@melody9,.1
After the oath was placed many Muslims especially those who knew of what transpired would hardly go to the religion section just to cause trouble.

Years passed. And many more users joined nairaland who saw the oath an injustice without knowing what led to it. And at such they would insult Muslims as if the oath was placed by them. Some New Muslims on nairaland in their quest to revenge would gladly go to their threads and return the favour.

But let's be honest here and I believe athiest or non muslim and non Christians can attest to the fact that when it comes to nairaland posts, Christians are much more intolerant. Even posts that talk about zakat (a major pillar of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with Christians) you would see them either talking about how Jesus is lord and God and how Muslims are doomed to hell...the more foolish ones will just insult the Muslims, or the prophet or even Allah.
Honestly if we are to talk about hate messages against either religion, Christians top.

This is the thread the brother is talking about.

https://www.nairaland.com/1579129/request-islamic-threads-frontpage

Unfortunately, most replies were lost during Nairaland tsunami.

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Thank you for the anticipated cooperation.

^^^^^^^@tintingz, I won't bother replying your post. You are so so dishonest with yourself. If you can't be sincere with yourself, how can you be sincere with others?! Inna Lilah wa Inna Ilahi Rajiun.

You made a grammatical blunder in Arabic by saying "I am a proud Kuffar" instead of "I am a proud Kafir". I pointed out that to you, perhaps you might give yourself the excuse of a typographical error or forgetfulness, yet you remain adamant, clinging tightly to the rope of "I have some knowledge of Arabic", "My father is a sheikh, know where I am coming from" and spewing unfounded claims. SubhanAllah!!!

Seriously, this is ridiculously ridiculous. If you can't differentiate between simple مفرد (singular) and جمع (plural), don't know when to apply them and still claimed that "The difference between them is pronunciation and they boils down to the same thing", then which Arabic knowledge are you claiming to possess?! La hawla wala quwata illa billah.


Discussion with you will always be fruitless until you decide to be sincere with yourself. Drop this mantle of pride and arrogance towards the truth, stop being proud of this mediocre knowledge, be sincere to know, discuss to add to your arsenal of knowledge and not to win or be the last man standing in the discussion.

I leave you with the poem of Ibn Yamin that says One who knows and knows that he knows… His horse of wisdom will reach the skies. One who knows, but doesn’t know that he knows… He is fast asleep, so you should wake him up! One who doesn’t know, but knows that he doesn’t know… His limping mule will eventually get him home. One who doesn’t know and doesn’t know that he doesn’t know… He will be eternally lost in his hopeless oblivion!

Allah's aid is sought.

Empiree:
this is a tactic used by so called former Muslims or "Muslim experts" who are now Christians, according to them. The same was used by "bonsue Fuji" man Ayuba. "My father is a sheikh" as if he and his father will be buried in the same grave.

Nonsense.

I learnt the guy is now a Christian. The argument is just weak. Even if your father is a sheikh and you failed to follow his footpaths, you won't gain anything. It is one thing to be born a Muslim, it is another thing to seek the conviction of being a Muslim. The way and how you seek for conviction with your sincerity will determine the output.

FriendNG:


I Know you're behaving like 1 but you still perform prayer and fast at that time. So I give you be benefit of doubts.

Are your family awear or na hide u dey hide.

tintingz:
Lol, you don't even know me that much yet you are asking those questions, well it's a good one.

Your claims prompted me to ask those questions. Yet still, you shy away from most of the questions.

tintingz:
I've studied the Quran in Arabic, I might not be all that good in Arabic but I sure have Arabic knowledge.

We said he hasn't studied the Quran and he went on to complicate things by claiming he has studied the Quran in Arabic. Mister, what you were taught is what everyone is first exposed to i.e. How to read the Quran in Arabic.

That's not tantamount to studying the Quran in Arabic. Not even close. Which Arabic knowledge? Iddadiyah or Thanawiyyah?
Or like this

tintingz:
I'm proudly Kufar.

https://www.nairaland.com/4874547/dreams-dream-interpretation#73430041

With the above, your Arabic knowledge is questionable.

tintingz:
Maybe I should introduce you to my father.

You keep clinging to this weak rope and committing fallacy. Your father might be a sheikh of Islamic studies, that's not tantamount to you knowing what he knows. Prophet Nuh was a messenger, yet his kid NEVER benefited from his knowledge nor guidance.
We know sheikhs of the highest order whose kids are shame to them. These kids know nothing as regards to the deen. (May Allah guide them and us)

Knowledge is acquired by learning and studying, it is NEVER inherited. Stop hiding under this "My father is this, my dad is that".

tintingz:
Now that's not even the context in my premise, when I said I have studied the Quran, I meant I've studied the stories in the Quran if they are historical or myths, if the scientific claims in the Quran are accurate or just some ancient thinking survey which the latter can never come from a divine entity, the morality and irrationality in the Quran.

Where did you study? Through "sheikh Google"?! Through atheistic websites?!

People who were sincere with their study like Keith Moore and Maurice Bucaille learnt Arabic before they even studied the scientific claims of the Quran. These are people with the high qualifications as regards to science and they were sincere with themselves.

Here you are, at one corner of your room, saying that you have studied the stories of the Quran without knowing the basics that are required to study them. Smh

Dear brother, humble yourself for knowledge. Make sincere your intention and seek knowledge through the right channels. Perhaps, Allah will guide you back to Islam through your sincerity. (If sincerity of intention still exists in your dictionary)

tintingz:
Now from my research, the Quran is no different from other mythological books, many of the claims in the Quran are already established or known before the Quran exist, there is nothing unique about the book.

Which research? The lazy man approach research?! This is just arrogance towards the truth, trying to paint yourself as an authority who has studied the Quran. Nah! You aren't.

I won't go into details as regards to the claims of the Quran, we have been there before and your replies were off points.

Believe what you want to believe, Allah is a watcher over His slaves. Guidance is from Him and it is for those who are sincere and humble towards the truth.



Peace

Empiree:
Yes, i read and I "shared" it back then. Lanrexlan probably forgot this thread. He's currently yearning for spiritual growth

Bump I just remembered I created a thread like this back then.

Thanks for bringing this back to life Emekaraj

tintingz:
I was a Muslim, I've studied the Quran, so much myths and bad scientific approach which can never come from an all-knowing super-being.

@ Bold, which school did you "study" the Quran?! Who's your teacher?! How many years did you use in "studying" the Quran under your teacher?! Can you even speak the language of the Quran?! Do you know about Uloom Tafseer?! What about Asbaab Nuzool?!



See how you are making empty claims and had it been someone had made similar claims, you would have pointed out the type of fallacy the person made. It is so sad you are blind to your fallacies.


Be humble towards the truth, you can't learn anything while making such bogus claims or believing you already know about the Quran. Guidance is for those who are sincere and submissive to the truth when it comes to them.



Allah's aid is sought.

sino:

Wa alaykum salam bro, eid mubarak.

Many thanks for your advice, honestly, I do know it is a waste of time trying to prove almost anything to tintingz, this is not the first time I am having a discussion with him, but sometimes, I just still have hope, Allah (SWT) is the one who changes the heart of man. I have tried to probe his present disposition and seek what really gives him the confidence in his disbelief. Unfortunately, he hasn't been able to make a reasonable case for himself, other than criticize, make mockery and insult religion and religious people. One thing I have come to appreciate about learning and knowledge is that, and this is borne by my constant interactions with professors from different fields, is intellectual humility.

Eid Mubarak in arrears bro That's common with most so called atheists. Insulting and making mockery of religions and religious people, jumping from one religious thread to another. It's pathetic.

They think they are more intelligent than people who profess faith cos they don't believe in the supernatural. They are most logical people on earth!

Exactly, intellectual humility. When someone thinks he already knows, there is no point trying to explain anything.

sino:

Lol, no free time o, but your suggestions are on point, especially, the hajia part and I do not know what is drying my writing ink, I have been suspecting you , you now write better than I do , I need motivation and inspiration! By the way, I have been finding it difficult to play games these days o, I think I have game apathy!

Lol We too will get hajia one day o . Write better than you ke?! You are still my boss, I learnt the rudiments of poetry from you faah.

Should we take a challenge for motivation and inspiration?!

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Rilwayne001:


I thought it was just a one time job. Even per day, it pays really. You don't get $50/day job in Nigeria except you work in Shell or Chevron, even those have to be managers and not just normal staff.

Come oh brother, is the work really available? I'm interested.

Taaaaah The vancany has closed, try again next year . You too like money ooo.

Eid Mubarak guys, Taqaballallhu Minna wa minkum

..

^^^^^^^^^^

Put graphic pics na. You spoil person appetite now
Wait o, how many hours per day?

tintingz:
The problem in your post here is that you're appealing to ignorance, and it shows you being sentimental and not open-minded.

Did Allah personally appear to you he is responsible to all that or you just read it from an ancient book? Why is Brahma not the creator, do you believe Brahma is the true creator God of the cosmos?

There we go again, you just learnt about argumentum ad ignoratium and the rest. It is like you are getting fascinated by it

I believe Nana can't get pregnant and can't give birth. Then the question of whether she gave birth to twins or quadrupet is useless. You don't believe there's a creator, then the question whether it is Brahma or Allah or Olodumare is useless.

When you believe there's a creator of the universe, then debating His attributes and comparing different stories of creation will be relevant. Till then, it is totally useless...

Peace

tintingz:
Lol, the cheer leaders have arrive, the strawmanship.

And the person that said his evidence is from his belief is open-minded?

Like I believe all evidence of Superman existence is from Superman comic books, every other thing are false and irrelevant, yeah nice logic.

The evidences of Allah are scattered all over the place for you to see but you choose to ignore. In the heavens, the mountains, oceans flowing for millions of years and in your own self are evidences for the proof of the creator. But you choose to ignore them. Even if they give evidences brought to your face or the ones you can touch, you will still deny them cos you are seeking the evidences not to acknowledge the truth but to mock and ridicule. Firaun asked for evidences and he was given, yet he belied it even though he knew those evidences were the pure truth. Allah says in Surah An-Naml, Verse 14:
وَجَحَدُوا بِهَا وَاسْتَيْقَنَتْهَا أَنفُسُهُمْ ظُلْمًا وَعُلُوًّا فَانظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الْمُفْسِدِينَ

And they belied them (those Ayat) wrongfully and arrogantly, though their ownselves were convinced thereof [i.e. those (Ayat) are from Allah, and Musa (Moses) is the Messenger of Allah in truth, but they disliked to obey Musa (Moses), and hated to believe in his Message of Monotheism]. So see what was the end of the Mufsidun (disbelievers, disobedient to Allah, evil-doers, liars.).

Even if signs and evidences of Allah are brought to your face, you won't acknowledge them unless you are sincere. You will end up calling them "tricks to deceive the gullible". You are not different from the men of old.


Quran says in Surah Al-Hijr, Verse 14-15:
وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِم بَابًا مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّوا فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ
And even if We opened to them a gate from the heaven and they were to continue ascending thereto,
لَقَالُوا إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَارُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَّسْحُورُونَ
They would surely say: "Our eyes have been (as if) dazzled. Nay, we are a people bewitched."

Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 7:
وَلَوْ نَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ كِتَابًا فِي قِرْطَاسٍ فَلَمَسُوهُ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ لَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِنْ هَٰذَا إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ
And even if We had sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) a Message written on paper so that they could touch it with their hands, the disbelievers would have said: "This is nothing but obvious magic!"

So when you are ready to dialogue with the aim of knowing and being sincere with yourself, then discussions can be beneficial

tintingz:
I'm highly disappointed at the dishonesty of Lanrexlan, someone I took as a brother, he is one of those that knows me well on Nairaland when I was a Muslim, a defender, apologist, a mujahid. All my post when I was a Muslim are in my profile as evidence, no one can deny it.

Now the question is if I'm not open-minded how come I became an atheist? I come I reason outside the closed walls(indoctrination)?

But ofcos the hypocrisy is obvious, non of you ask me if I'm open-minded when I was a Muslim but now that I'm not, the hypocrisy surfaced.

Dishonesty?! I took you as a brother Taye (and you are still my brother in humanity), if not I won't open a thread cos of you, questioning the reasons for your change in belief. Had it been I don't care about you, I won't have opened the thread nor chatted with you on whatsapp as regards to your belief. On that thread, you were in the discussion to win, to have the final say and you ended up making ridiculous claims.

But the problem is that, you just want to argue and argue, that is not a way of dialogue. You ridicule and mock, that is not the way of dialogue. One will end up wasting precious time and moving around circles.

Your questioning was borne out of whims and desires. You want to be free, you see Islam as a barrier restraining you from fulfling your desires and you are looking for a way out.
Then questioning began upon reading small books on philosophy. You began to ask why. Why do we have to pray 5 times a day? Why will agreed intimacy between two adults be a sin? And tons of why and why.


@Bold (indoctrination), that sums it up. You were a Muslim cos you were born into a Muslim family! You were practising Islam cos your parents are Muslims and that was the reason you were defending Islam then.

With due apology bro, you never tasted the sweetness of faith. You didn't understand Islam except from the fact that you were born muslim. You didn't search for Islam without the lens of your parents.


Guidance from Allah, may He uphold our feet upon Islam

Dear sino, salaam alaykum warahmatulah wabarokatuh dear brother. I will sincerely urge you to refrain from discussions like this. Talking with a person with a closed mindset is like giving a blind man a reading glass. It is of no use.

Dear brother, don't waste your time moving around circles with someone that is not sincere with his quest and just want to argue and argue. Like tbaba1234 once said, he is just trying to validate his disbelief and won't be objective no matter how many proofs and logic you use. It is one thing when questioning is borne out of reading and seeking the truth and it is another thing when it is borne of following whims and desires.

Akhee, if you think you have free time you wanna use, please kindly spend it with your hajia . If you can't (almost impossible ) , please write poems cos I have missed your poems. If your muse isn't flowing, please play games. That's more worthy than discussion with a close minded person that is just reading about fallacies and its types and barely comprehend what he reads.

My 2kobo

Empiree:
Solve this



Who Is The Strongest In This Picture?
I say 2

3
Why? He is supporting the weighgtof three people

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
@tintingz, I won't bother replying all what you wrote up there. As AlBaqir would say, some discussions are waste of time and resources. I won't let you lure me into one endless and unbearing discussion that would turn into hide and seek game. You just proved my points with what you typed up there.

My schedules are too tight these days, even if I have free time, I would rather play FIFA or GTA than engaging in a long discussion that won't yield anything.

So, enjoy your atheism. Only Allah gives guidance and Allah knows that we (your pals on NL) tried calling back to His path. Bye

Sissie:



Very well said.

You need to understand his psychology.
1. He can’t agree with you even if it’s glaring because doing so would make him question his beliefs (atheism) consciously or unconsciously.

2. he would need to shift post and confuse similitudes in order to justify and make himself believe his atheistic beliefs are true.

3. Even before his atheism that he suddenly thinks he is intelligent, tintingz had mediocre knowledge and that hasn’t changed irrespective of all the atheistic websites or forums or videos he listens too. He is still mediocre even if he thinks otherwise. And yes I know there are very intelligent atheists.

4. He isn’t arguing with you to seek for clarity or understanding, he is arguing to justify his beliefs and you can’t successfully argue with someone who has that goal in mind.

So why bother

You just sum it up brilliantly. One thing is that he thinks he already knows everything and there's no point learning what you think you already know. He reads with the sole aim to refute and not dialogue. He just wants to mock and 'catch' fun.

I have met intelligent atheists, even on NL. One dude named NL.member, he was an atheist and dialogues nicely even though we don't agree on most things. May Allah keep our feet firm on His path (Aameen)

tintingz:
@bolded

Allah is not ominipotent, ominiscience aftar all, bro you know we have discussed something similar to this before which you shy away from discussing further.

There's a paradox that says: "Could God create a stone so heavy he could not lift it"?

Firstly, I never shy away from discussing it further with you. I have clearly made known my points. It is not a must you agree with me before we can conclude we have closed the chapter on that. (Moreover, I don't have time repeating the same arguments all over again)


Secondly, what we discussed on Whatsapp was "Where do evil comes from?" You gave your arguments and I gave my arguments while giving various similitude to simplify the arguments for you. (If you want me to post our discussion, I can post for all to see).


Thirdly, what you quoted above was simply taking about the actions of man. I was simply asking the brother a question of how actions of a man can be a creation of Allah(and he can't prove it). Man is solely responsible for his actions and there is no verse in the Qur'an that says that Allah created the actions of a man. Actions are borne out of freewill Allah given to man and man is solely responsible for his actions. Allah knowing the actions of a man beforehand is different from Allah creating man and his actions.(I clarified that on Whatsapp). I never discussed the issue of actions of man with you.


Fourthly, you are fond of twisting the similitude I gave as examples most times. I remembered that you said "Nobody would put you in hell fire if you failed in school" when I was simply giving you a similitude to make you see that there's a punishment for failing tests in school and similarly there is a punishment for failing the test of life. You made it into direct comparison with your statement.


Fifthly, you find it difficult to agree with someone even if the proofs are glaring to your eyes. Instead, you twist and shift poles. I remembered on that thread I opened for your sake "What's wrong with Tintingz?" After I gave you scientific proofs that were found in the Qur'an and scientists who agreed to it, you said that the scientists were simply trying to please the Arabs! These are people that you don't possess a quarter of the knowledge they possess and the certificates they possess (Sorry if I sound offensive).

On that same thread, I gave you the new scientific finding of giving a new child chewed dates which the prophet has prescribed hundreds of years ago. Instead of you to agree with it, even after the proof (link to the findings) given, you went on to ask another question; "Do you know that giving sugary foods to new baby is harmful?" is all what you mumbled.

But one thing that's common to most acclaimed atheists like yourself, is that whenever you think you have found the so-called freedom in your atheism, you feel some hidden knowledge of everything has been given to you. It is funny seriously.

Sixthly, dear brother, you bite more than you can chew. You barely understand the concept of a thing before jumping on another. Moreover, you are found of asking questions in question. In all candour, with this style, one can barely achieve anything from a discussion cos it would have deviated from the main purpose and one won't have finished a discussion while starting another one.


I pray that Allah grant you guidance but guidance is only for the sincere and truthful ones. Salaam

Rilwayne001:

May Allah continue to bless you brother, and everyone of us. Aamin.
I truly appreciate.. Jazakumullahu Kayr.

Allahumo ameeen.

LadunaI:
EID MUBARAK! EID MUBARAK!! EID MUBARAK!!!

Eid Mubarak bro and congratulations.

Empiree:
Unfortunately you stretched these answers. Phenomenon is karamat now. Rawatib which consist of 12 you mentioned aren't karamat. Karamat is to change water to wine. Turn staff to snake like Musa(as) etc. But these you mentioned are the gateways to extraordinary events not karamat themselves.

As for lying and those who tell the truth but still end up in Hell, the ahadith you cited are rather generic and are not acceptable in this quizzes because it stretches your submissions. Sorry bro and thanks for these ahadith.

Ooh, I got the wrong perception of phenomenon. Sorry for stressing you.


No problem bro, you are welcome

Empiree:


Far as I am concern, i understand perspective with which the Sheikh answered the pope when he mentioned "plot of women". He was right. Mr Lanrexlan from his perspective was right as well that we all can agree with. That the specific word is not direct speech of Allah but it doesn't mean it is not in the Quran bcus at the end of the day, Quran is absolutely speech of Allah whether His Majesty was narrating past incident or His direct speech or not. So i believe the Sheikh was right and also most definitely, the question posed by the Pope was subjective.

The questions and wordings posed by Pope was similar to Yoruba tale of the moon where figure of speech was employed.


Once again, Eld Mubarak.


See you soon with update

My points exactly @bold. It is not a direct wordings from Allah. I never denied that it is in the Qur'an but attributing what Allah never said to Him is very dangerous. It is fabricating words against His majesty. The wordings were the wordings of a man which Allah has reported to us.

The question would have been subjective enough, had it been that it reads "Which thing did Allah created and the Qur'an said was might?" So the subjectiveness would revolve around whether 'plot of women' is a creation of Allah or not and not whether it's a word of Allah or not.


Thanks for seeing from my lens. Eid Mubarak akhee

Alhajiemeritus:
I meant Lanrelxan was wrong in my own opinion

Even after proofs have been shown to you? And you can't refute them?! Since you prefer your opinion, I leave you with your opinion. La hawla wala quwata illa billah.

Surah Yunus 10:41--... say: "For me are my deeds and for you are your deeds! You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what you do!"

Empiree:
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"Iro sunnah" abi?. Do you have theoretical evidence for those LIES?. So your answer is vague. Therefore, you get

Um Kalthoom (may Allaah be pleased with her) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He is not a liar who reconciles between people and conveys something good or says something good.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 2495).

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Lying is not permitted except in three cases: a man’s speaking to his wife to make her happy; lying at times of war; and lying in order to reconcile between people.’” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 1862; he said: it is a hasan hadeeth. See also Saheeh Muslim, 4717).


Ibn Shihaab – one of the narrators of the hadeeth – said: I did not hear of any concession being granted concerning anything that people call lies except in three cases: War, reconciling among people, and what a man says to his wife or a woman says to her husband.

Imam Ahmad (26731) narrated that Umm Kalthoom bint ‘Uqbah said: I never heard the Messenger of Allah grant a concession allowing any kind of lying except in three cases: a man who says something intending thereby to bring about reconciliation; a man who says something at the time of war; and a man talking to his wife or a woman talking to her husband. (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah, 545)



Why did wrong my answer to those who tell truth and will still enter hell? Allah says in Surah Al Mumenoon 23:84-89 Say: "Whose is the earth and whosoever is therein? If you know!" They will say: "It is Allah's!" Say: "Will you not then remember?" Say: "Who is (the) Lord of the seven heavens, and (the) Lord of the Great Throne?"
They will say: "Allah." Say: "Will you not then fear Allah (believe in His Oneness, obey Him, believe in the Resurrection and Recompense for each and every good or bad deed)." Say "In Whose Hand is the sovereignty of everything (i.e. treasures of each and everything)? And He protects (all), while against Whom there is no protector, (i.e. if Allah saves anyone none can punish or harm him, and if Allah punishes or harms anyone none can save him), if you know. They will say: "(All that belongs) to Allah." Say: "How then are you deceived and turn away from the truth?"


Why did wrong my Rawatib answer? Is it not a phenomenon that contains 12 things? The Nabi said: "Allaah will build a house in Heaven for whoever is diligent in observing 12 Sunnah Rak'aat (as follows): 4 Rak'aat before and 2 after the Dhuhr (Midday) Prayer, 2 after the Maghrib (Sunset Prayer), 2 after the ‘Ishaa’ (Evening) Prayer and 2 before the Fajr (Dawn) Prayer." Hadith sahih narrated by at-Tirmidhi No. 379 and by others. Hadith No. 6183 in Sahih al-Jaami’.

So