^^^^^^

You are acussing someone of throwing shades but your post itself is full of shades. I simply aired my opinion without mentioning names, the brother inserted himself into the equation and even said "35k might be like a million to some people sha". (You see nothing wrong with that)

I was only stating that we should use a third party and nothing more. Strictly my opinion and views. I never suggested myself or anyone. I even trust Rilwayne001 for the job but I didn't suggest him. Why? Just fairness to all.

You don't even know Empiree stance on the issue and you went ahead to conclude for him. It's alright. But it seems you didn't comprehend my post and went ahead to throw subtle shades. May Allah rectify and forgive us all.

Peace

Tessyy1701:


Lol!!! I think the total amount is 35K and You believe people will run away with that?(it might be like a million to some Sha) Lol!!!
It happens that I won 8k or so last year and the person bought it for 7k that's the reason why I supported cash transfer..
As far as I'm concerned any method is okay by Me......
Mr lanre, You think if ah will run away with ur money I will mention my full name. , what have we learnt from Ramadan then?

3 first positions (15k each), 3 second positions (13k each), 3 third positions (12k each), two fifth positions (8k each) and two eighth positions (4k each). That's a total of 144k.


Please don't think people are overwhelmed with the money or something. We aren't hungry, before the quiz competition people have been feeding and they would continue to feed after it. Don't think our lives depend on the money. It is just a way Empiree uses to celebrate Eid for brothers here and appreciation of "efforts" (The wordings "It might be like a million to some people sha" is highly insultive, degrading and insulting akhee, you might not mean it that way though).

What I am just after is just fairness and openness to all, I speak for myself ONLY. This is a public forum and I have met some amazing people here and we have become brothers beyond NL. We have built trust and brotherhood over the years.

What I want is a situation where justice would be served and one won't lose out of trust for another. Personally, I don't care which method they use, even if anyone run away with the money, that's the person's problem with Allah, not mine.

Moreover, my post didn't refer to you or point out names. You seem to be taking it personal. I was barely speaking on a general term and what I think would be better for all. Using a third party account apart from the contestants would be good. The third party didn't participate and moreover, it would be an old member whom Empiree himself, the mods and sone old members know very well. It is just about playing safe and nothing more. In Islam, even if you are transacting with your family members, Islam encourages writing it down. It is not that you don't trust them, it's for the sake of openness and for keeping records if one wanna backslide. That's what Ramadan taught us, that's what Islam taught us.

Akhee, please don't it personal. My post wasn't referring to you. May Allah rectify us all

Just going through the thread, I only have network in the morning.

Jazakumullah khairan Empiree, may Allah reward you in multiple folds. Only Allah can do that, our "Jazakumullah khairan" can't quantitfy your rewards with your creator. At least, everyone gets something.

As regards to sending cash instead, it would have been better if we could get someone outside the contestants. It is not that we don't trust ourselves but this is a public forum faah with faceless monikers. (I don't want stories that touch, make someone no receive over 100k finish, then boom, deactivate account. This is Naija ) Only a few know themselves personally. If we could get someone outside the contestants, that would be perfect. Had it been the mods are functioning, that would be good. I would have suggested Albaqir if my akhee is still in Nigeria ni (At least, Empiree knows him beyond NL, and some other brothers too. I know him personally )

But using an account of a contestant, that's no no. I support Alfa Rilwayne001 view, you can easily sell your airtime in Naija, there are many data sellers that buy airtime from people. Let's be on the safer side to avoid stories that touch.

prinzeepule:

Yes bro.
I am scared our lawyers here might not even understand AI not to talk of how to sue them appropriately.

Haha But there's no harm in trying

Rilwayne001:


I'll do better next year

Lanre, come and console me.

At bold, we will do better next year. I remember you said that last year too. Bro, just change your football club Arsenal and you would win the Grand Prize .

Lol, Hahhahaha������

LadunaI:


Lol...sorry bro it can be excruciatingly painful, when you've laboured so much and seeing it not materialize. I nearly become a victim when about some few minutes to submission I found that where a saved my answers it wasn't save, in fact I almost give up but thank God I saw another partially save copy, where I quickly edited and submit.

I trust Oga empiree he would find solution for you people.

Your case isn't that bad na. If I tell you what I went through before even making to submit, you would just be laughing ni.

After I have compiled the answers, I saved it on my laptop as a document file (doc). So, by 11:30PM I was prepared for the D day , I sent the file to my phone in order to copy it then paste it on NL. Wallah, file didn't open. My phone (WPS office) was reporting error upon error. I opened another file (on my laptop) and copied the answers there, yet still the file didn't open. I was like "why is this happening na?" And my phone was opening other files o. I turned the doc file to PDF file, yet still, the file didn't open still.

Let's try option 2 I said. I decicided to use my laptop. I connected my laptop to my phone via USB cable (to browse via USB tethering), my laptop wrote "USB cord not recognized". This was around some very few mins to 12 o. I was like I am done tonight

Then plan B came in, I turned on my hot-spot and immediately I connected the Wi-Fi on my laptop, I got the error message "System has run into a problem. Collecting data, please wait". I was like SubhanAllah! Then I began to beg my laptop , don't disgrace me please. Maybe the laptop heard my cries, the thing came on after some minutes and I logged in into my account on NL. Quite relieved small, I will still make it I whispered to myself.

Copied the answers, pasted it and I submitted. Initially, I saw my post, and I was like "Yes, I made it!" Then, I refreshed the page to see the answers of other brothers, then boom my post was gone. I thought it was network. I refreshed the page again and nothing. Check my posts on my profile, I saw nothing. Then I scrolled down and saw that "you have been by anti-spam bot blah blah ". Anti-spam bot, not tonight faah.

Plan 3, I logged in to my alternate account after trying to recollect my password, posted again and few seconds, boom, my post was gone with a ban as a bonus. lol

Hahahahahahahahahaha

LadunaI:
On lighter note, isn't that there is CONSENSUS of antispam bot and MODs to have you disqualified.and you join the examiner? Lol its well!

Lol Me wey no sabi should join the examiners?! My own marking will be stricter

Your marks will just be turnionitsown ni

prinzeepule:


Definitely. Thanks for the patience.

Bro, sorry for the ordeal. It was destined that we won't be amongst the participants, despite our sleepless night and research. ; D

Let's get a lawyer and sue this silly anti-spam bot that discriminated against and made us to lose out on the quiz. I mailed the supermods twice, and even called out the section mods and a supermod on a thread, but I don't think these folks even read their mails at all.

That aside, bro, where can we get a lawyer?

Rilwayne001:


Aren't we? I've forgotten your post is still being held. E pele sir.

But empiree, can't he drop the answer again? Perhaps when dropping it again, you should avoid too much Arabic in your post. The bot ban people for it atimes.

There is only one Arabic line there. I fear if I repost the answers again, brothers might thought I have adjusted the answers after seeing theirs. I even posted my answers on another thread immediately I got banned by anti-spam bot and I got banned on my second moniker again. It is like a coup against me

That's why I was waiting on the mods to restore the post, unfortunately, they seem to be inactive. Allah mustaan.

Congrats man

Rilwayne001:
When is the grading going to take place?

I thought we were friends

It seems both mods of the section haven't been online for months ooo. Aunty dominique, please unhide my post on this thread..

https://www.nairaland.com/3633308/seeing-angels-malaika/105

Thanks

Empiree:
Still waiting on Lanrexlan's result to be restored. If it is not by the time Ramadan is over, you will be dismissed and CUTOUT submission will take your place. Plead to antispambot really quickly.

Antispam bot has released but didn't released my post I hate that dude.

Mukina2, Sissie, please kindly restore my post on this thread. E dakun
Treat as urgent
https://www.nairaland.com/3633308/seeing-angels-malaika/105




Cc. Tbaba1234

Question 1
i. In the Quran, Allah mentions creation of Adam how many places?
Answer: 14 places
ii. What are the two (2) things that are responsibilities of Islamic State in the society?
Answer:
a) Right to protection of places of worship (Surah Al-Hajj 22:40)
b) Right of life (surah Al-Isra 17:33) which include propagation of justice, developing individual character through education and punishment in the Shariah, etc.
Question 2
i. Not surah Ikhlas, which surah and ayah gives a clear design of the unity of Allah.
Answer: Surah Ash-Shura 42:11
ii. In which sura shahada summarized?
Answer: Surah Al-Araf 7:158
Question 3
i. It is in the Quran, where Allah informs us of existence of life on the planet. What is the surah?
Answer: Surah Al-Baqarah 2:30
ii. Which surah defined to whom zakat is payable?
Answer: Surah At-Tawbah 9:60
Question 4
i. A nabi (PBUH) is mentioned twice in the Quran; what is his name and in what surah or surah?
Answer: Dhul-Kifl in Surah Al-Anbiya 21:85, and Surah Sad 38:48; Idris (Enoch) in Surah Maryam 19:56, and Surah Al-Anbiya 21:85 or Al-Yas’a (Elisha) in Surah Al-Anaam 6:86, Surah Sad 38:48
ii. What is the name of individual who was sent to Assyrians?
Answer: Yunus (Jonah).
Question 5
i. Milestone in its chapter 2, an important subject was discussed. What is the title of the chapter?
Answer: “The Nature of the Quranic Method”
ii. After Allah, Islamic political system makes authority responsible for who?
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him), by adhering strictly to his sunnah.
Question 6
i. The 'rule of thumb' with regards to belief in Allah is.....?
Answer: Tawheed Al-Uluhiyyah (Belief in the Oneness of worship of Allah)
ii. Imam Tahawi said about Allah in his book, (Belief). What was it?
Answer:
“We say about Allah's unity believing by Allah's help - that Allah is One, without any partners. There is nothing like Him. There is nothing that can overwhelm Him. There is no god other than Him. He is the Eternal without a beginning and enduring without end. He will never perish or come to an end. Nothing happens except what He wills. No imagination can conceive of Him and no understanding can comprehend Him. He is different from any created being. He is living and never dies and is eternally active and never sleeps. He creates without His being in need to do so and provides for His creation without any effort. He causes death with no fear and restores to life without difficulty. He has always existed together with His attributes since before creation. Bringing creation into existence did not add anything to His attributes that was not already there. As He was, together with His attributes, in pre-eternity, so He will remain throughout endless time. It was not only after the act of creation that He could be described as 'the Creator' nor was it only by the act of origination that He could he described as 'the Originator'. He was always the Lord even when there was nothing to be Lord of, and always the Creator even when there was no creation. In the same way that He is the 'Bringer to life of the dead', after He has brought them lo life a first time, and deserves this name before bringing them to life, so too He deserves the name of 'Creator' before He has created them.
This is because He has the power to do everything, everything is dependent on Him, everything is easy for Him, and He does not need anything; "There is nothing like Him and He is the Hearer, the Seer." [Al-Qur'an 42:11] He created creation with His knowledge. He appointed destinies for those He created. He allotted to them fixed life spans. Nothing about them was hidden from Him before He created them, and He knew everything that they would do before He created them. He ordered them to obey Him and forbade them to disobey Him.
Everything happens according to His degree and will, and His will is accomplished. The only will that people have is what He wills for them. What He wills for them occurs and what He does not will, does not occur. He gives guidance to whoever He wills, and protects them, and keeps them safe from harm, out of His generosity; and He leads astray whoever He wills, and abases them, and afflicts them, out of His justice. All of them are subject to His will between either His generosity or His justice. He is exalted beyond having opposites or equals. No one can ward off His decree or put back His command or overpower His affairs. We believe in all of this and are certain that everything comes from Him.”
Question 7
On the day of Judgement, man wishes to return to 'dust' which is his place of origin. If he is wishing to return to dust to escape punishment, then, why is Satan who was created from Fire going to Hellfire for punishment? (brainer). Note: I will counter your argument if it doesn't make sense or valid.
Answer:
Shaytan is being created from smokeless flame of fire as taught in the Quran (Surah Ar-Rahman 55:15). It shouldn’t be surprising that he would punished by the same thing he was created from. Take these instances for example:
Scenario 1
The hand is made up of flesh and the cheek is made up of flesh too. But when one strikes the cheeks with the hand, the person feels pain. Why? It is because of FORCE and POWER of the hit of the hand on the cheeks.
Scenario 2
Hammer is formed from metal but it is used in beating sheets that are also metallic in nature. Any reason for this? Hammer is made from HIGH grade of metal and it is used to beat and form iron sheets of LOWER grade to it. If hammer is to be used for something higher than it, it won’t have effects on that material and would eventually break off.
Now to the correlation to the question, shaytan is made from a smokeless flame of fire (LOWER form of fire). The fire of Jahanam and its sisters are in HIGHER order than the fire that shaytan was created from. These classes of fire possess strong FORCE and POWER that is capable of hurting shaytan who was created from a lower form of fire. Secondly, the FORCE and POWER of hell fire is very severe that can burn anything if Allah wills. As regards to the FORCE and POWER of Jahanam and its sisters, Allah says in Surah Al-Furqan 25:12 – “When it (Hell) sees them from a far, they will hear its raging and its roaring.” The Prophet was reported to have said in Jamiat Tirmidhi (The Book on the Description of Hellfire - 24) Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: "The Fire complained to its Lord. It said: 'Some parts of me consume other parts.' So He allowed it to take two breaths: one during the winter, and during the summer. As for the breath in the winter then it is Zamharir, and as for the breath in the summer then it is Samum (Sahih)”
Imagine if hell fire could be eating itself up due to its severance and power, won’t it be able to consume shaytan of ‘ordinary’ smokeless fire?! Allah knows best!
Question 8
i. The Quran is divided into thirty divisions, each part is called a juz. What is the name of the last juz in the Quran?
Answer: Juz ‘Ama
ii. Name 5 common attributes of prophets
Answer:
i) Truthfulness
ii) Trustworthiness
iii) Isma (Being protected from sin)
iv) Smartness and intelligence
v) Tabiligh (Conveyance of revelation from Allah to people)
Question 9
i. Name 5 scholars who said Muslims must memorize at least 13 Attributes of Allah. With reference is A+
Answer:
a) Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Ali Ibn Babawyh Al Qurmi Al Saduq (Book of Unity, pp. 220)
b) Shaykh Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Saadi (Al-Tawdeeh wa’l-Bayaan li Shajarat al-Eemaan by al-Sa’di, p. 41).
c) Shaykh Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah (Bada’i’ al-Fawaa’id by Ibn al-Qayyim, 1/163).
d) Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (Majmoo Al Fatawa 2/600)
ii. What did famous Imam Ja'far As-Sadiq say about Allah?
Answer: “When Abu Basir asked him about Allah and that whether believers see Him on the Day of Resurrection, he answered, "Yes, and they have already seen Him before the Day of Resurrection." Abu Basir asked, "When?" al-Sadiq replied, "When He said to them, Am I not your Lord? They said: Yea, verily."(Quran, 7:172) Then he was quiet for a time. Then said, "Truly the believers see him in this world before the Day of Resurrection. Doest thou not see Him now?" Abu Basir then said to him, "That I might be made thy sacrifice! Shall I relate this (to others) from thee?" He answered, "No, for if thou relatest it, a denier ignorant of the meaning of what thou sayest will deny it. Then he will suppose that it is comparison and unbelief. But seeing with the heart is not like seeing with the eyes. High be God exalted above what the compares and heretics describe!" (A shiite Anthology, Muhammad Husayn (1981), p. 9-11)
iii. "This is not the face of a liar". This statement was made in reference to the prophet (SAW) by who?
Answer: Abdullah Ibn Salaam (may Allah be pleased with him)
Question 10
i. The Baar'ah declaration was read by Ali (ra) but the Hajj that year was led by who?
Answer: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him)
ii. Which surah of Quran also known as al-maani'ah?
Answer: Surah Al-Mulk, 67
iii. The prophet (SAW) said exact same thing Yusuf (as) said to his brothers on the Day of the Conquest of Mecca....what was this famous statement?
Answer:
قَالَ لاَ تَثْرِيبَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْيَوْمَ يَغْفِرُ اللّهُ لَكُمْ وَهُوَ أَرْحَمُ الرَّاحِمِينَ
He said: "No reproach on you this day, may Allâh forgive you, and He is the Most Merciful of those who show mercy!” (Surah Yusuf 12:92)

LadunaI:

Lol empiree you want to introduce certificate of participation this year? That is an improvement , a bit of innovation been added lol.

You will see we're going to surpass 10, as lot of would be participants are in "ghost" mode now. Hope the question will be simple one.

On the consensus of the scholars, we disqualify you from participating. Join the league of examiners.

Rilwayne001:


Indeed, too small. Make it 250

I am suspecting this guy, oversabi is worrying you. Smh

Rilwayne001:

Insha'Allah.

Stop shinning teeth

Empiree:
O ti su mi ooo. They don't love Christian victims. They only use their plight to condemn Islam. I tire for them oooo.

This guy's responses baffled me. I didn't expect that from him. I thought he would watch and say "thanks sheikh for the beautiful sermons" but his comments got me sad.

Same thing last night on radio. A pro-zionist station pretending to love every human being. He loves saying "the Islamic terrorists" and say it as loud as possible. Not just loud but applies "Shaddah" (emphasis) on "Islamic terrorists" yet sent his condolences to NZ victims but he never mentioned or attributed killer as "CHRISTIAN terrorist".

I had to turn down the volume bcuz his voice irritated me. They continued to create hatred where is none.

I don't know why he was focusing on the minority message of the Imaam while neglecting the main message the man was trying to pass. I don't understand the motive behind that.

It is just pure hypocrisy. Non-Muslims are killed, the killers are Muslim terrorists. But when muslims are killed, another supremacist, Lone Wolf, deranged monster! Rubbish!!

true2god:
A Yoruba adage says: 'Eni kan lomo'. Meaning, it is a victim that knows the pain of a tragedy. No sane mind will be happy over an unfortunate situation, except a psychopath. The Muslim world need to do more to address the common incidence of terror among its adherents. The most violent and intolerant religion today is ISLAM.

Then many Christians on NL are Pyschopaths!! Their "happiness" at their deaths of selfless muslims speaks volume.
Do more in what sense?! Force pristine Islam into people's heads?! Many notable scholars of Islam speak out against terrorism almost every time and when there's a strike by these idiots, they condemn them outrightly. Then how will the Muslim world do more in addressing terrorism?!

At last paragraph, please who's feeding you with that statistics?!

tintingz:
Read to understand.

Knowing someone's future will make freewill an illusion, imagine knowing all my future and writing it down in a book, I picked up the book and I found that I'm following exactly what's written in that book, I follow every single damn thing written in the book, I'm bound to the book, do I still have freewill here? Now God who's the creator has seen the future of everyone till the end he has written it down in the book of destiny, now imagine you get hold of the book of destiny, are you in control of yourself or what God has destined for you?

I think you need the bold part most. You just type replies to argue your head out and not ready to accept anything given to you. Moreover, you said the other time on a thread that you don't have to accept answers and will keep arguing your head out like a mountain goat.

That apart, on this same topic, Sino has schooled you times without numbers but you are still using this same silly and watery argument. I swear this argument doesn't follow at all.

Sino asked you,
1) Do you know what's written down for you by God?! Answer simple YES or NO.

Then how does your silly argument of a person writing your future plans in a book and giving the book to you and you follow every godamn thing written down in the book goes with what God has written?! Did God give you your book of destiny and you now have the privilege of following what God has written down? Do you have a peep into it?! Allah says (I don't care if you don't believe)
Surah Maryam, Verse 77-78:
أَفَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِي كَفَرَ بِآيَاتِنَا وَقَالَ لَأُوتَيَنَّ مَالًا وَوَلَدًا
أَطَّلَعَ الْغَيْبَ أَمِ اتَّخَذَ عِندَ الرَّحْمَٰنِ عَهْدًا
Have you seen him who disbelieved in Our Ayat and (yet) says: "I shall certainly be given wealth and children [if I will be alive (again)]," Has he known the unseen or has he taken a covenant from the Most Beneficent (Allah)? Do you know the unseen? Destiny isn't known, then how the hell is your crooked argument relevant? It makes zero sense.

2) Secondly, Sino asked "Are you forced to make your own choices? " KNOWING (OR WRITING SOMETHING DOWN IN A BOOK) is different from ENFORCING or something to be BINDED on someone.

Do you think someone is enforcing you to make your choices?! Do you feel the influence of a force (physically, mentally or any force) when taking decisions? All the rubbish you have bee typing on NL about religion and God, do you think someone forced you to type it? Aren't you sane and conscious when typing it? If you were to be called to a court of law as regards to everything you have typed on NL, would you say that you were under the influence of alcohol or insane or a mod pointed a gun to your head?! Just answer those questions sincerely and ask yourself if your silly argument tallies with it.


Lemme cite a scenario. During my undergraduate years, my project supervisor is fond of writing his project students' scores before the commencement of the projects (UNKNOWN to the students). How did he do this? He gives his students a test (not written) on the first day of encounter with them and observed their reactions towards the test.

Afterwards, he gives us the SAME fatherly advice, care, tutelage, guidance as regards to the success of our projects. He calls us for updates almost every week. While some of us (three out of five) followed strictly his instructions and did the projects assiduously, the remaining two guys weren't that serious with it. They toyed with their projects and didn't follow what Oga told us.

Long story cut short, at the end of the external defence by the EXTERNAL supervisor, three of us had As while two had Cs. Our supervisor wasn't even around during our presentation. When we met, he asked us the grades the external supervisor gave us and we told him. Then he showed us where he had written our scores and they TALLIED with what the external supervisor gave us. He has been doing this year in year out for his students and he said that he had recorded almost 90%.

Now bottomline is that, those two guys who had Cs, can they say that "We had Cs because our supervisor had written Cs for us"?! No, they can't. Why ??
1) They aren't aware of what was written. (DESTINY)
2) Supervisor gave everyone equal care and support towards the projects. (GOD'S CARE AND GUIDANCE)
3) They are fully responsible for what they got cos the scores weren't enforced on them. They worked for it and it was the consequences of their actions. (FREEWILL)

Note that the analogy isn't perfect. The supervisor wrote down the scores of the project through a singular test he had with us and he is not perfect. God, on the other hand, He is the creator and He knows man before he was even born. He knows when you were born, and when you are gonna die. He knows your actions, His knowing doesn't mean He is enforcing it on you cos you don't even know what He knows and what's written down with him. So how does that contradicts your freedom to choose??!! Think man and be SINCERE with yourself.


But I doubt if you would do that cos if you do, your foundation of atheism would crumble and turn into dust.



NB: I am not here for a back and forth argument with you, just bewildered by your insincerity and using the same rubbish argument on almost every thread. Brother Khaleell001, Ramadan is approaching. May Allah make us witness this blessed month. Please use your time for valuable things than arguing with a blind, insincere, confused man parading himself as an atheist. It's a waste of time, resources and energy. Trust me akhee, I have been there. Channel your time to better things.

Peace

Thermodynamics:
hello all, I've served in my current ppa for sometime, I have done documentation and monthly clearance in my current ppa, I want to know if I can still change my ppa to a ppa located in another local government.

You can but I think it is within the same LGA. Just see your LGI and explain to him/her. But I am sure of PPA changing within the same LGA

tintingz:
I'm talking about we irreligious people.

Hmnn. I won't talk but your premises were discussing science all through.

AlBaqir:



Its like when group of surgeons are talking on surgery and gbadamosi the carpenter naa ndasi

He wanna do surgery by nails and hammer and break world record

Empiree:
you are the one playing hate game. You started off twisting innocent sermon to suit you. Even if a layman watched the video he would say the sheikh wants peace. Clearly you don't want peace. Sheikh clearly stated that muslims should identity with victims but you somehow interpreted his message to suit you. The world is seeing what you guys are doing.

See how he was busy twisting what's clear as broad daylight.

It is sad that some Christians on NL are "happy" when catastrophic suicide bombings take place. Why? They would have the opportunity to bash Islam! Outwardly they might seem to be sorrowful but deeply, they are happy cos they have seen an avenue to bash Islam. Even if you tell these folks these bombers are misguided and they are misrepresenting Islam, they would argue that you are wrong and you don't know Islam. Wallah it is sickening. People have given priority to silly avenues to bash others over the sanctity of lives.

To them, the bombers are the real muslims while others who condemn them are fake. I don't know how people can be supporting suicide bombing indirectly with such mentality. If all muslims are to be how these bombers portray, then every soul on earth should be dead!

Can we just condemn terrorism as a whole and just playing blame games?! We are humans first faah (NB: There are some rightly-thinking Christians though but rare on NL)

tintingz:
Yes we postulate them at first, at least we have reasonable things to believe in but then we can change our positions towards it.

Abeg who are the "WE"?! Are you a scientist ni? Wetin you postulate na? A person who hasn't mixed acid with base to form salt and water joining the league of scientists .Nairaland is a comic relief sometimes

Empiree:
I need to buttress your point by calling attention of my brother lanrexlan. He sent me whatsapp message few wks ago about a brother who was amongst the victims of robbery but he was not robbed when he recited this ayah in sura Yasin. Ayah 9. Please read the meaning. When armed robber lined them up and requested that they should all empty their pockets and bags, by the time they reached the brother who recited Yasin verse 9, they skipped him and jumped to the next. They did not see him at all.

Not even only Surah Yasin Ayah 9, there was even a report that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was screened from an unbeliever in the ahaadith. Read


The Qu'ran says in Surah Al-Isra 17:45 -And when you recite the Qur'ân, We put between you and those who believe not in the Hereafter, an invisible veil.

In the Tafsir of Imaam Qurtubi (May Allah have mercy on him) concerning this verse, it reads: Narrated Said Bin Jubair(May Allah be pleased with him):When the Surah No. 111(Surah Masad) was revealed, the wife of Abu Kahab came looking for the Prophet(Peace be upon him and his family) while Abu Bakr(May Allah be pleased with him):When was sitting beside him.Abu Bakr(May Allah be pleased with him) said to the Prophet(Peace be upon him):'I wish if you get aside(or go away) as she is coming to us, she may harm you. The Prophet(Peace be upon him and his family) said:''There will be a screen set between me and her''.So she didn't see him. She said to Abu Bakr:'' Your companion is saying poetry against me, and Abu Bakr said:''By Allah, he doesn't say poetry.'' She said:''Do you believe that?'' Then she left.
Abu Bakr said:''O Allah's messenger! She did not see you.'' The Prophet(Peace be upon him) said: ''An angel was screening me from her.''.[Hadith is quoted in Musnad Abu Ya'la].


Imaam Al-Qurtubi(May Allah have mercy on him): If the above verse is recited by a real believer, he will be screened from a disbeliver(Allah knows better)[Tafsir Al-Qurtubi Volume 10, Page 269]


The issue is that most of these things boil down to faith, sincerity and intention. Most importantly, many of these people rarely talk about it or boast about it. They only narrated it when necessary. Moreover, these things aren't employed for bad things. For example, you owe someone money that's overdue (and you have the capacity to pay up) and you recite Surah Yasin or any other other surah in order to be screened from your debtor Oga pay up
It won't work.

Bottom line is that be sincere, if you call upon Allah in distress using His words, he would surely response to your call.

I leave you with this ayah.

Surah Ar-Rad, Verse 31:
وَلَوْ أَنَّ قُرْآنًا سُيِّرَتْ بِهِ الْجِبَالُ أَوْ قُطِّعَتْ بِهِ الْأَرْضُ أَوْ كُلِّمَ بِهِ الْمَوْتَىٰ..........

And if there had been a Quran with which mountains could be moved (from their places), or the earth could be cloven asunder, or the dead could be made to speak (it would not have been other than this Quran).........

EmmGee:

I honestly thought this guy is/was a muslim.. what happened??

Yes, he is or he was. (Muslim at home, atheist on NL) He is just confused jare akhee. You know when you first read P. N. Okeke (A physics textbook) for the first time, you would get fascinated and think you have arrived. You may even think you can correct the author on topics you think the author has made a mistake. That's exactly what's happening bro. A guy laid hands on books on fallacies and logic, and he thinks the knowledge has arrived and he can question anything and everything.

Akhee, let's pray for total guidance from Allah. May He make our feet firm

sino:

Do you know what is actually ridiculous is the fact that tintingz is asking for parameters for the challenge when the book, the history of how the book came to be, and the preponderance of the book with regards to the book's impact, are everywhere!

tintingz, you may wish to peruse the following links, and when you are through, and ready to take up the challenge, I will be here to read whatever you can come up with....

https://www.nairaland.com/914083/quran-work-art-subjective-unanimous

https://www.nairaland.com/818668/why-quran-must-god

https://www.nairaland.com/919181/brilliance-book

https://www.nairaland.com/855448/gems-quran

https://medium.com/@Marytn/the-challenge-of-the-quran-dr-philips-fb00e8951153

It is not enough to come on here and make foolish boasts, since you can do better, write your own book (or whatever) that can compete with the Qur'an! Your time starts now, good luck!

Lol, do you expect him to watch the videos with open mind? See his replies na. I don't really know what he was thinking while typing that. Even writing an ordinary article requires great deal of grasping topic and knowledge, not to talk of a book. Maybe he thought a book is just "copy and paste"

sino:

Brilliant?! SMH, I am sure you have never read any classical Arabic poetry in your life! What parameters are you looking for? Do yourself a favour, bring the verses of the Qur'an and compare with the above and show me the brilliance of the above, in what way is it brilliant?!

Why not write your own and let us see afterall you claim the Qur'an was poorly written or you cant write your own?

Akhee, Akhee, Akhee. How many times did I call you?! You expected someone who doesn't even understand Nahw and Sarf to understand Ardu!!!!!!! Akhee, are you expecting too much ni?! Imagine calling the rubbish up there "brilliant Arabic poetry" Smh


No waste your time faah

tintingz:
Lol, The Quran was poorly written, verses are out of context. It's like when you're reading a bedtime kids story.

The ancient Greek polymaths texts are far better than the Quran.


I will write down a well scientific and rational revelation that will beat the Quran challenge hands down.

This not a pride, this is what I can do. I'm planning on writing my book.

My goodness.

Ad hominem

Take it easy brother.

Ad hominem

You committed ad hominem fallacy, for the fact you decided to attack my person instead of the argument, infact you committed non-sequitur join.

There's nothing worthy of attacking in your personality. Truth is just bitter. I still maintain my stance on what I said. Only empty korodom makes some much noise. A person that barely understands Arabic and doesn't even have foundational knowledge of science wanna write a scientific and rational book to challenge the Quran!!! Pathetic and ridiculous!!!

I have been laughing since I read that post of yours
This dude doesn't know what it takes to write a book sha

But if the bragging and self-professed knowledge joined with pride do make you sleep better at night, then enjoy your imaginary world of knowledge.


**unfollows thread**

tintingz:
Lol, I find the challenge ridiculous, I mean what's so special about it that it likes can't be produce.

The Quran is even poorly written with very simple words.

tintingz:
I can write a well rational and scientific revelation that will beat the Quran challenge.

Unfortunately the Quran didn't mention any parameters as to meet the Quran challenge.

When ignorance and arrogance copulate, this is the product. A person who can't differentiate between mufrad and jaamu in Arabic, not to talk of understanding sarf and nahw (Balagha isn't in your league) claiming that the Quran is poorly written with very simple words. SubhanAllah!!!!

A person who has NO basic training and knowledge of science (You aren't even a science student) claiming he can write a well rational and scientific revelation SubhanAllah!! See the height of self pride and arrogance!!!!!

Please, do you even read what you write before you post? Where do you think you would get the knowledge to write a well rational scientific revelation?? Atheistic websites or where?

You are fond of thinking highly of yourself and making empty claims. By the One whose hands is my soul, arrogance will take a person nowhere. Stop parading yourself as a person of knowledge about Islam nor science. You aren't even 1% close to both.

Reading books on internet or offline don't signify studying. There's a huge difference between studying and reading. You are greatly missing that part.

This is not an attack on your personality or ad hominem, just a piece of sincere naseeha.


Allah's aid is sought
Peace.

Empiree:
But the dude used to romance the website but now saying they are upon lkhwanmuslimun manhaj and they strayed. But he used to use the website as evidence anytime we debated. He would run there to pull references. Now he distances himself. He used to praised owner of the site, sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajjid.

He's a confused fellow. He's remotely controlled taqlidi but he denied being blind follower.

Wallah I was shocked to see that. This is a guy who quotes islamqa freely then. Any thread is islamqa upandan. Just suddenly he realizes the owner is an ikhwaani haha kilode .

Now he is championing another website, maybe in a year's time, that website would be shia website and he come up with another website

iamgenius:

And you didn't read what she said there.
About the free mixing in weddings, according to the level of my knowledge but Allah knows best, the free mixing is not her business unless if she will also be partaking in the free mixing.
Since weddings are Halaal "aslan". Halaal things can be mixed with things that are not permissible, and that doesnt make it Haraam.

It's obvious they can't be all relatives, even there's limit of mixing between relatives like cousins to cousins mixing.

Exactly, freemixing in wedding on none of her business. Is it her cake that would cause the Freemixing? Absolutely NO! What's the headache?! Whether they smooch, peek or kiss in a birthday party or wedding ceremony, that's the problem of those involved and we will all be accountable to our Lord.

If the op refused to bake for birthdays or wedding cos of the fear of freemixing or whatever, will her not baking stop them from organizing birthdays?! If she refuses to bake, will it stop freemixing in weddings?! Why must she not bake?! I am just curious.

Let me give some scenarios.

Scenario 1

Mr A is a supplier of bags of rice and beans and a young man visited his stores to buy foodstuffs. He wanna buy 30 bags of rice and 20 gallons of groundut oil. But Mr A has learnt or perceived him to be a yahoo boy. Won't he sell to him because of his job? Or idol worshipper came to buy palm oil (maybe to worship his idols or feast for the gods), won't he sell to such person?

He would, what he is trading is 100% halal and Mr A is simply running your own business. What people do what they bought or the means of their wealth is none of his business. Their decision is with Allah.


Scenario 2
You are a vet doctor and a man called you to inform you that his pig farm has been infected with a viral disease that is killing tons of his pigs. He needs your help. Won't you do your job to save the pigs?

Or you won't save them because pigs are haram in Islam?! You are simply offering an halal service. A lady (prostitute) would enter paradise because of feeding a starving dog (which is also haram (to some extent) in Islam) and another lady would be in hell cos of starving a cat.
Why won't the man start killing pigs cos they are haraam? Allah created pigs for a purpose and He didn't ask us to starve them to death or refrain from treating them. Since one is not selling them and one's MAIN specialization is not treating pigs and one is not benefiting DIRECTLY from them, then no problem.

Scenario 3
You are a medical doctor and they brought a kaffir patient to you. Would you say "Oh no, I can't treat him. He is a kaffir, he is impure. Just let him die. If I treat him, he would revert to his disbelief. Let him die, that's one less a kaffir on the surface on the earth" WTF!!!!

Do your job man, forget about the person or what he will be up to after having good health. That's his problem with his creator.



Bottom line is that the basis of what you are offering matters the most. Is it Halal or Haram ?! If it is halal, why the headache?!

Baking cakes is halal as far as I know. What people do with the cake is none of your business. The basis of your work is permissible. If they like, they should use it for birthdays or ogun festival or house warming, that's their own problems with their creator, not yours.

Even if one claims you are aiding them in doing bad, how are you aiding them?! Is it the cake that would satisfy their hunger?! Without the cake, will they die?! Without the cake, won't there be Freemixing?! Without the cake, won't the birthday party hold?!

iamgenius:
About the birthday, brother, don't follow your whims. I won't discuss this.

Please just prove it is haraam from kitab wa sunnah or qiyas from scholars.

tintingz:
Red herring, projection fallacy.

We don't have to accept your answers in an argument, it's called a debate for a reason, we will keep refuting, dialogue as long as there are holes and flaws in your arguments.

That's the problem, you just wanna refute and refute without direction. Religious dialogues are to arrive at the truth, not who's right nor wrong. Since you are not ready to accept answers, what is the purpose of asking the questions? To mock? To ridicule? It is a waste of time replying your threads.


And Mr man, you are not dialouing. You are just arguing blindly. You can't even answer the questions, you are just shouting "Red herring" upandan. That's the latest type of fallacies you just read It still dey shack you

I am not here to debate or dialogue with you. It is a waste of time. You are not worthy of the stress.

Bye bye

AlBaqir:


Best qualification

The ruling of permissibility of trading in the Qur'an is "umum - general". Only what Allah and His Prophet restricted (qaiid) will be exception. This is what the first confused guy failed to know when you quoted the verse of permissibility of all trading. Prophet has already forbid selling of alcohol (interestingly some of their celebrated sahabah continued to sell and drink alcohol after the death of Rasul).

Anyway, the OP and the student of Najmudeen (who is giving phone number of his teacher) and the rest of confused folks should give us one single evidence where Prophet forbid "birthday" not to mention baking cake for birthday.

What I found disturbing is that the op has even decided that birthdays are haram from the onset. ONLY Allah and his messenger have the rights to declare something haram. But people just throw halal and haram cheaply about.


Even if consensus of scholars would declare something haram, on what basis? On what grounds was the Qiyas based? The Rasul didn't celebrate birthdays, but did he declare it haram? Did Allah declare it haram? On what grounds are the scholars declaring it to be haram? I don't celebrate birthdays and I am not an advocate for it. I just need to why birthdays are haram from kitab wa sunnah or consensus of scholars with sound evidences.

Please, we should be extremely careful with word "haram and halal".

AlBaqir:


He seems to be lonely and desperately needs someone to "argue" with to double check his new beliefs. Very uncomfortable.

The thread is useless and uncalled for. Lots have been discussed here already:
https://www.nairaland.com/4641276/argument-possibility-necessity-does-god

He can't live without mocking and ridiculing religious people and their beliefs. That's the foundation of his belief. That thread is an eye opener but he is not ready to learn. To him, he already knows and religious people are deluded. He and his folks are the ones walking upright! Pathetic.

AlBaqir:

To all so-called atheists (real and fake), the most important thing if at all they intend to argue is to discuss about EXISTENCE OF GOD. Someone that do not believe in existence of God, how would he believe in God's attributes (e.g wahdaniyyat - oneness of God)?

I have told him something similar. An atheist worried about multiple gods. For example, I believe Esther is barren and can't give birth to a baby. Then, how will the questions: "When did Esther put to bed? " "What's the gender of the baby?" "What's the complexion of the baby? " be relevant? Asking such questions will make me look plain stupid. But, he just wanna argue.

AlBaqir:

The guy simply intend to argue as a result of his mental instability. He's never sincere.

It is insecurity. He is looking for means to validate his misguidance. It is obvious with his meaningless threads and jumping from religion section to Islam section. He is NEVER sincere with himself.