emekaRaj:


Am alone with God, no mention plssssssssss

In khalwa and nairalanding abi?


Well, on a more serious note, I can't really say your experiences are false. People can see Jinns but most times it comes with some crazy conditions.

But yours looks like a gift and that makes me to be confused cos I had never heard about gifts like such before

tintingz:
Seriously, I've watched the yoruba movie.

One of the scene is the actor(baba Latin) seeing some forest dwarf people(people will call them jins) on the roof of his house and he was telling people he is seeing dwarfs on roof but they didn't see any only him sees it.

Not his house baba, he was seeing them on the roof of ile baale and they were dancing . When he traveled to Lagos and left abule, he saw one foolish iwin that wanted to urinate inside the soup of his brother's wife.

The iwin was like "Na everything una dey see? leave me make I go urinate na" Baba Latin just vexed and pour all soup away when his brother's wife was even tasting "ito iwin mixed with soup"

tintingz:

It is a very long time movie, I can't really get how he got the ability to see jins, I think he did some rituals or so. The movie is comical movie tho.

He didn't do any ritual.
He was a hunter and went hunting one day. He saw two iwins drinking from a calabash and decided to follow suit.

Later in the morning, he began to see different iwins.

The iwins later made him to be rich cos he could treat any type of disease with their help. He could forecast the future too.

They later tricked baba Latin and he became poor .





You don dey enjoy tori abi

Empiree:
Reminder

Booked

tintingz:
Interesting.

Interesting is the answer


Finally, I don land for Mr. emekaraj's thread
The thread dey do me like say I dey watch Baba Latin "Omo ode de" where the guy dey see Iwin upandan

Wa alaykum Salaam Warahmatulah Wabarokatuh Sino. So this brother is your friend? I do read his poetry everyday, we both belong to one whatsapp group like taht, where poems, ewi kike, spoken word poetry are shared by users.

I love his series, barakallahu feeh. By the way, brother sino, e don tey when you write poems o.

tintingz:
I dont have problem with my wife shaking another man's hand at all, she can do it in front of me, i cant read minds how will i know they are having feelings for each other? If she cheats, i can simply walk out from the marriage. people cheat whether they shake hands or not, it happens everywhere.

ok

You are still not getting the point. You choose to direct your reasoning in the way that suits you and not to see what other people are trying to project. I never argued that people don't cheat whether they shake hands or not. My point is that all these (Shaking the opposite sex, being alone with opposite sex in a room et al) are means that aid illegal relationship. These things are pathways to illegal relationship, it doesn't mean if someone engages in them, then certainly he/she would cheat nor does it signifies that if a person abstains from them, he won't cheat. That's not my point, my point is that, Islam always has a means of taking precautionary measures when dealing with things like this.

tintingz:
This is people's choice, what is wrong about it?

Things that are wrong to you might not be seen as wrong in another society, you cant use your ideology to judge other people's ideology.

The same way it is people's choice to use narcotic and hard drugs. Why is the government prosecuting them?

The western logic is that man is free to do whatsoever he likes in as much as he is not infringing on the rights of others. Right? Then, why are people being fined for not using seat belts? At least it is their lives and choice and they are not causing harm on anyone.

tintingz:
This happens everywhere. Marriage was just design to make relationships looks legal for lovers, given bride price, celebrating relationships, signing an agreement etc.

Not only to make relationship looks legal. It is also to regulate one's urges for intimacy. Even in the western world, is a married allowed to copulate outside wedlock?

tintingz:
Any stats for this?

Do you really need statistics for this? How many cases of hijabi sister being have you heard or see? Kindly compare and contrast it with that of non-hijabi women.

tintingz:
They rape kids because of their uncontrollable sexual urge, how is the case different from a lady in full garment.

We live in one hell of hypersexualized society. Everything is almost about sex. Forget about humans, the society is so bad that people are even raping animals! SubhanAllah! What attracts a man to a goat? Bodily features or assets?

So brother, as I have expalined earlier, Islamic measures are precautionary measures.

tintingz:
Rare cases is a case, men also get raped by women, but many of them don't speak out.

I never argued that rare cases aren't cases. You keep hammering on that, the fact is that men rape cases when compared to women rape cases is low. Take it or leave it akhee.

Sterope:

Pre marital sex is not wrong because it is wrong. It is not wrong for everyone but it is sinful for muslims. You cannot convince a non Muslim that pre marital sex is wrong because in actual fact there aren't any reasons why it is wrong.

Really? Russells says "I am not suggesting that there should be no morality and no self-restraint in regard to sex, any more than in regard to food. In regard to food we have restraints of three kinds, those of law, those of manners, and those of health.

We regard it wrong to steal food, to take more than our share at a common meal, and to eat in ways that are likely to make us ill. Restraints of a similar kind are essential where sex is concerned, but in this case they are much more complex and involve much more self-control" (Russell, Marriage and Morals, p. 293-294.)

This is the view of a non-Muslim, there should be modality and regulation with everything. We are humans and not animals.

Sterope:
A fully dressed woman is not safe from rape. Most rape incidents happen within the domestic sphere. Also, the way the world is now, there are men out there who have fetishes for fully covered women.

People have fetish motives for different things. Not only covered women, even babies.
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/230501-rape-six-month-old-girl-kano-govt-pushes-life-imprisonment.html

Sterope:
Paedophiles are actually attracted to the features of their pre-pubscent victims/object of desire. The innocent eyes, the lack of hair etc

This might be true but it is still an abnormal situation. A question, what attracts a man to an animal??

Sterope:
We can do without trying to justify Islam based on logic. Logic and religion do not mix. Religion is about faith. If you don't faith, you can't follow a religion whether it is islam or Christianity etc. However I am not saying I follow every Islamic presecription based on faith, there are times when I basically go with my logic.

Islam doesn't forbid you to use your brain but it should be in line with divine scriptures. Everything has its own guide and the Qu'ran is the guide. Mawlana Jalaluddin Rumi said "Even a child's reasoning says 'Busy yourself with books'. But it is not possible for a child to learn anything from the book on their own. Like so, the patient's reason brings them to a physician, but their reason cannot be a cure for them. If every blabbermouth was to find a way to Allah's grace and favor, would Allah Almighty had sent all these prophets?

If we are to go with every logic of tom, dick and harry on every Islamic issue, there would a lot of contradicting opinions. Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al Annam 6;116 --And if you are to obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah's path. They follow nothing but conjectures and they do nothing but lie.

tintingz:
I dont see anything wrong for two opposite sex shaking hands, it is nothing and if they have feelings for each other what is wrong with it?

So if your wife shakes hand with another man and he has feelings for her and she also have feelings for him, well there's nothing wrong right? They should go with the relationship riggt That's why people have many unlawful sexual partners
It is a gradual process, from shaking her hands, it graduated to touching her neck (or other part of her body) to touching and the last stage is the private part affirming all these stages.

tintingz:

The human brain cant be controlled when it comes nature, part of human nature is to have sexual feelings for the opposite sex(except for gays) no matter the Prohibition. I don't see anything stopping this(sexual desire), even catholic nuns, reverends cant control it as we read cases of sexual assaults, even in saudi arabia that are strict in sharia.

Exactly, nature can NEVER be suppressed. There are two extremes and a middle path: The first extreme is celibacy as championed by the catholic church and this is not possible, cos you can't suppress nature and news from catholic homes prove that (As nuns were seen committing fornication).

The second extreme is the idea of free sex as advocated by the west, that a man is free to have sex with anyone he wishes since he is not harming anyone and it's a mutual concept. This is also wrong (But it's not our discussion).

The middle path is what Islam preaches, fulfilling your sexual urges in the right manner. So, when you have sexual feelings for the opposite sex, do the right thing and get married to her, make the right moves, this is one of the means of fulfilling your sexual feelings towards the opposite gender.

tintingz:

Whether a lady wear/wore a full garment or not, rapists dont really look at that, as far the victim is a female or male they will do their evil act.

This will be just a discussion of going back and forth. Baqir has replied you on this. The chances of a lady dressed in full garment getting raped to a lady dressed in skimpy cloth is relatively low.

tintingz:

Are babies, kids mature to have a grown woman features? NO, why then do we read cases of these evil rapists raping them?

These are abnormal cases. Sometimes, rapists of small kids are up to something else and they aren't attracted by her features. Well, we are talking about an ideal situation.

tintingz:

There are cases of female raping male, why was perfumes not prohibited for men as well or perfumes doesn't attract women?

These are rare cases bro and Baqir has also replied this. I don't think we should be repeating the same argument, I am to input my take on the issue and take my leave.

Empiree:
Flexibility exist


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNDNUujl6Wo

Have you found the hadith Nurudeen Lemu quoted?

@tintingz, I am afraid I won't be able to continue.
Like seriously, Arab pleasers? So why 'pleasing' the Arabs, some even abandon their religion and they are still Arab pleasers? Does the location matters? Did they swallow their findings after living Arabia?
You wish to see what you want to and you wish to process and accept whatever please you and not what is logical.

What brought up the issue of me quoting those scientists is when you made a claim that the intellect is evolving and that's why we are having technological advancements in the world today.

I simply countered your claim that if it took intellect and scientists more than 1400 years to discover some divine truths present in the Qur'an, who could have mentioned all those things in the Qur'an more than 1400years ago if not for the creator of intellect Himself? Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala)

That's my point brother and you resorted to call people who bowed to the truth when it came to them as 'Arab pleasers'. You still call that logic and reasoning or being stubborn towards the truth?

I refrained from replying all your claims like that one on Embryology (I never claimed there wasn't research on embryology before Muhammed came), the one on expansion of the universe (You went on to give me the history of cosmology, what's the correlation Did I say there wasn't cosmology before Islam?) and your claims. The argument will just be rounding circles and flogging a dead horse and I don't really the luxury of time). May Allah perfect our affairs.

May Allah rectify yours and everyone's affairs and make our feet firm on the straight path and never lead us astray. (Ameen)

tintingz:

I follow my sister to get some stuff in late hours in the night which happens everywhere, the Arab case is different a woman cant even walk or travel alone even during the day, a man will always follow her like a kid.

I would love to discuss this issue of mahram one day in sha Allah.
Cc
Albaqir, Empiree

tintingz:

What's the use of prohibiting what can't be control, the power of sex is beyond perfumes, dressing, human brain is design to mate just like animals.(sorry using the word mate for humans).
Criminalizing rape is what that can control it not prohibiting perfumes.

Same here too bro.

What Islam always try to do is to prevent and minimize the outcome of something. Take for example, the issue of shaking the opposite sex. A friend once told me "What is there? I don't feel anything(sexual attraction) when I do shake the opposite sex". It's true, he might not feel it but others do. Islam tries to deal with the general and never the exceptional.

A means to illegal sexual intimacy is handshaking with the opposite sex and Islam tries to curb it by prohibiting anything that might it leads to it. In similar fashion, you might not get turn on or you may haven't met people who will get turn on due to the perfume of the opposite sex to the extent of making sexual advances towards her, but certainly there are people who will get turned on due to the perfume of the opposite sex.

The mind is very delicate, the power might be beyond perfumes and dressing but you would quite agree that these are things that enhance it. Between a well dressed lady and a lady wearing a skimpy cloth, both of equal beauty, the one with skimpy cloth is more liable to rape.

Why?
She has given the opportunity of men to fist on her parts of the body that would turn them on. It's not rocket science, prevention is better than cure.

And Albaqir has made a wonderful contribution.

@tintingz, it is quite obvious that you are now grasping straws I am sorry for that. You are arguing for the sake of remaining relevant to the discussion. Islamic discussion is NEVER a win or lose affair, it is to ascertain the truth.

The problem is that you keep going against the so called logic and reasoning you believe in. To me, frankly speaking, you are unjust to your reasoning and to yourself. This is no longer logic and reasoning but rather, following of whims and desires.

You keep evading questions and continue to shift the goal post. That's not how to discuss logically and I am afraid I won't be able to continue if you refuse to be sincere.

tintingz:
Lol, does primitive people knew how earth looks from the space? I can Google it out with just few seconds.

The more our intellect evolve the more things are invented to examine it.

Agreed, the intellect is evolving. Why aren't other senses also evolving?? The eyes, ears, taste buds et al? Don't you think so??

tintingz:

Embryology was discovered by Aristotle before Islam came.

Many scientists far more knowledgeable than you quite agreed that the description of embryology in the Quran can't be known by any man in 7th century and it is only possible that it has been divinely inspired.

Dr. Keith Moore stated “For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur’an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development.

At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7 century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur’an and Sunnah.”

At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later.

This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah.”


Professor Moore also stated that:
“…Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur’an and Sunnah.

The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.
“The intensive studies of the Qur’an and
Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D… the descriptions in the Qur’an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century…”


“It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn’t read, didn’t know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate…

We’re talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature…
I personally can’t see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements.”


Joe Leigh Simpson
Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered that the Qur’an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised field of study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he insisted on verifying the text presented to him from the Qur’an and Hadith.
“… These Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the ‘writer’… It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches There exist statements in the Qur’an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur’an having been derived from God.”

Gerald C. Goeringer
“…In a relatively few ayahs (Qur’anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously.

In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature.”





Yushidi Kusan

Director of the Tokyo Observatory, Tokyo, Japan.
Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani presented a number of Qur’anic verses describing the beginnings of the universe and of the heavens, and the relationship of the earth to the heavens. He expressed his astonishment, saying that the Qur’an describes the universe as seen from the highest observation point, everything is distinct and clear.
“I say, I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Qur’an, and for us modern astronomers have been studying very small piece of the universe. We have concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts of the sky without thinking about the whole universe. So by reading Qur’an and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.”



Tejatat Tejasen
Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and is the former Dean of the faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand.
Professor Tejasen studied various articles concerning the Qur’an and modern embryology. He spent four days with several scholars, Muslims and non-Muslims, discussing this phenomenon in the Qur’an and
Hadith. During the 8th Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia he stood up and said:
“In the last three years, I became interested in the Qur’an… From my studies and what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur’an fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.
Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible creator. This creator must be God, or Allah.
I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah , there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Mu h ammad rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger of Allah…
The most precious thing I have gained from coming to this conference is La ilaha illa Allah, and to have become Muslim.”



Reference: Moore, Keith L. and al-Zindani,
Abdul-Majeed A., The Developing Human with Islamic Additions , Third Edition, W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia, 1982, with Dar Al-Qiblah for Islamic Literature, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, 1983, page viiic. Limited Edition.

There are many of such incidents.

tintingz:

Greek, Egypt were already practicing this before Islam came, the Greeks use astrology.

You should wonder how birthday of Jesus was fixed by romans.

Lol,

Who's talking about dating or astrology?? Haaa Tintingz, I am talking about dates (dabinu).


Read
It was reported that Abu Moosa said: “I had a baby boy, and I brought him to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
He named him Ibraaheem, did Tahneek with some dates and prayed for Allaah to bless him, then he gave him back to me.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5150; Muslim, 2145).

Tahneek means putting something sweet, such as dates or honey, in the child’s mouth when he is first born.

What does science has to say just of recent?

A dose of sugar given as a gel rubbed into the inside of the cheek is a cheap and effective way to protect premature babies against brain damage, say experts.
Dangerously low blood sugar affects about one in 10 babies born too early. Untreated, it can cause permanent harm.
Researchers from New Zealand tested the gel therapy in 242 babies under their care and, based on the results, say it should now be a first-line treatment.
Their work is published in The Lancet.
Dextrose gel treatment costs just over £1 per baby and is simpler to administer than glucose via a drip,
say Prof Jane Harding and her team at the University of Auckland.


Andy Cole, chief executive of premature baby charity Bliss, said:
"This is a very interesting piece of new research and we always welcome anything that has the potential to improve outcomes for babies born premature or sick.

Read More
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24224206

Don't you see Islam is always ahead? Stop denying your intellect brother, it's injustice to the brain.

tintingz:

Lol, practice of breastfeeding can be trace to ancient Egypt, Greeks. Whether 7 years breastfeeding it doesn't matter.

Animals breastfeed their babies, who taught them?

Seriously Tintingz? Is this all you have gotten?? Am I talking about practice of breastfeeding or who taught animals how to breastfeed? This again shows that you are just having the dialogue for the sake of remaining relevant to the discussion.

Read yourself.
http://www.who.int/topics/breastfeeding/en/

tintingz:

Does Quran also said mountains trigger earthquake?

You see again?? Just shifting goal post, this is not logic man. You just decided to turn a blind eye to undeniable truths. Even people knowledgeable and more vast in the field than you, bowed to the truth.


Professor Siaveda
Professor of Marine Geology, Japan.
Sheikh Zindani asked him a number of questions in his area of specialisation, and then informed him of the Qur’anic verses and Hadith which mention the same phenomena he spoke of.

One of the questions was concerning mountains. Sheikh Zindani asked him about the shape of mountains; and whether they were firmly rooted in the earth.
“What is your opinion of what you have seen in the Qur’an and the Sunnah with regard to the secrets of the Universe, which scientists only discovered now?”
“I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true, the book is really a very remarkable book, I agree.

tintingz:

This is still a debate if the earth is expanding or not. NASA published that the earth is not currently expanding.

Using the 100-inch Hooker Telescope at Mount Wilson Observatory, Dr. Edwin Hubble has studied many spiral nebulae. He has discovered they are moving away from us at a rapid pace. This is strong evidence of an expanding universe. He has further determined that the farther the nebula, the faster it moves awa

https://cosmictimes.gsfc.nasa.gov/online_edition/1929Cosmic/expanding.html

tintingz:

Sorry, all what you posted have been discovered before Islam came by early scholars and some are yet to be verified.

Which earlier scholars?? Be sincere brother.

Alfred Kroner said “Thinking where Muhammad came from… I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case.”

“Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here…



If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur’an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur’an is a simple science text book for the simple man.

And that [b]many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago[/b
].

tintingz:

As for your last paragraph I don't get?

It's clear, animals, plants and other beings aside mankind and Jinn had been created to help mankind and Jinn attain success in this life and hereafter. To realize the purpose of existence. Allah has endowed man and Jinn with intellect and this made them superior over other creations.

tintingz:
You can't tell me you saw an angel sitting on a tree without proven there was an angel there, do you expect everyone to believe you?

If I told you I saw a fairy or superman will you believe me?

Does scientists know about gravity in the past? Can gravity be seen or touched? No, but Isaac Newton discovered gravity through calculation, measurement.

So why can't scientists be able to examine spirit/soul in the future?

Lol, your question is like asking how can we be able to get answers from Google with just few typings in few seconds? Was that possible in the past? How are we even browsing through air waves?

Evidence please.

Yes.

We will just be going around in circles. Just a question from this, prove the existence of Allah with all the philosophy you have been proclaiming

Protagoras vs. Euathlus

As an ancient story has it, Protagoras once took his student Euathlus to court. Euathlus became Protagoras’ student with a promise to pay half of his tuition fees in advance, and the second half once he would stand in front of the jurors and win his case. Once he had learnt the skills, as fortune would have it, he could not take on any cases. Some sources say that he would not take any cases in order to avoid paying the remainder of the fees. Protagoras decided to sue him for breach of contractual obligations. The interesting nature of this case is the paradox that arises as to the ruling.

Let us first hear the two sides as they plea their case.

Protagoras: “Let me tell you, most foolish of youths, that in either event you will have to pay what I am demanding, whether judgment be pronounced for or against you. For if the case goes against you, the money will be due me in accordance with the verdict, because I have won; but if the decision be in your favour, the money will be due me according to our contract, since you will have won a case.” (Aulus Gellius’ Attic Nights, Rolfe translation)

Euathlus: “So let me tell you in turn, wisest of masters, that in either event I shall not have to pay what you demand, whether judgment be pronounced for or against me. For if the jurors decide in my favour, according to their verdict nothing will be due you, because I have won; but if they give judgment against me, by the terms of our contract I shall owe you nothing, because I have not won a case.” (Aulus Gellius’ Attic Nights, Rolfe translation)





Tintingz, see the battle of logic and reasoning. Who won??

tintingz:
Yes our intellect has limit but it is evolving. Can you compare the intellect of the primitive people with modern people of today?

Is the intellect alone that is evolving? The eye and ear should also involve, don't you think so? We should be able to see and hear things the primitive man was unable to hear and see.

The funny thing is that:
It took your intellect and your scientists more than 1400 years to discover the stages of embryology which the Quran has mentioned more than 1400 years ago.

It took your intellect and your scientists more than 1400 years to discover that giving dates to a newly born child is highly beneficial and Islam has taught this more than 1400 years ago.

It took your intellect and your scientists more than 1400 years to discover that breastfeeding a baby for 2 years is the best and Islam has mentioned this 1400years ago.

It took your intellect and your scientists more than 1400 years to discover that mountains are stabilizers of the earth and Quran taught that 1400 years ago.

It took your intellect and your scientists more than 1400 years to discover the universe is expanding and Quran taught that 1400 years ago.

Should I go on? What your scientists are just discovering with much sophisticated equipment are what the creator has bestowed upon his prophet in the glorious Quran more than 1400 years ago. These are divine truths that undeniable except you want to lie against yourself and be unjust to the so intellect you pride yourself in.

If it takes more than 1400 years for intellect of man to evolved in order to comprehend things that happen within men and things that surround him, then how many years will it take your intellect to reach the stage of ascertaining the unseen? Eternity man

tintingz:
We choose or create our purpose.

There's no certain answer to this as there are biilions of people on earth.

Two questions, are you a Muslim by choice?

What's the purpose of animals?

The purpose of other beings except man and Jinn is to help these duo come to realize the purpose of their creation.

tintingz:
Ameen!

There are thousands of divine scriptures.

Yes there are thousands of acclaimed divine scriptures, but how many of them has successfully prove itself to be true except the Qu'ran??

tintingz:
Now @bolded, sounds irrational.

It is not irrational, it is not possible to explore a creation more than its creator. Maybe I should have put it in this way, "Intellect without guidance is imbalance".It is true philosophical thought is able to reach certain truths to the extent of their observation of life and their universe but not all

tintingz:
What's the treatment for malaria in the Quran, where is sickle cell in the Quran? What was the skin color of the first humans?

Allah says in Surah An Nahl 16;43 - .......So ask those who know, if you do not know.
So you expect the Qu'ran to state the cure to every disease and at the same time relates the story of every prophet?? Common akhee, it is a book of guidance and not a book about cures to diseases nor encyclopedia.

tintingz:
- First of all was there any Prophet of Allah sent to the vikings, Eskimos? How then are they guided?

According to narrations, there are 124,000 Prophets which Allah sent to different nations. The Qu'ran is not a history that would tell us the names and nations of each prophet. Instead, it tells us the purpose of all prophets was the same and that is to call people to Allah. Allah says in theSurah Ghafir 40;78 -And indeed we have sent messengers before you, of some of them we have related their story and of some we have not related their story............... Maybe a prophet was sent to the Eskimos or vikings, I can't categorically say YES but Allah says he had sent messengers to EVERY NATION. (Surah Al_Mumeenon 23;44, Surah An Nahl 16;36, Surah Yunus 10;47). And Allah speaks the truth. Allah will NEVER punish a nation sending guidance. All these things you know man.

tintingz:
- There is NO universal truth in every religion, each are having stories, mythology of their divinity.

- The listed are yet to be proven.

You don't get my point. I said any religion that claims to be true should be able to provide logical and reasonable answers to all those universal questions like "What is the purpose of creation?" "Is there a creator?" And many more

tintingz:
You're welcome bro and how're studies?

Alhamudulilah, studies is fine.

tintingz:
Being rational is something you can prove, something that's base on fact, we can calculate 1,2,3. We all can see the moon but can we all see angels, jinns, ghost? Can we measure them? Even those that claim to see angels, jinns, demons, ghost are yet to prove it.

What exactly are you driving at? That seeing is believing? What we cannot see, we can't prove? This is philosophy and not rationality. Islam commands belief in the unseen and it is impossible for the five senses to perceive the unseen. Rejecting this is tantamount to rejecting the existence of a creator (Allah) since it's unseen and existence of Angels and Jinns.

tintingz:
Scientists discover there are tiny objects, organism they developed a microscope to be able to examine it. But is there any evidence for spirits, supernatural entities? Scientists are still doing research on souls, spirits and am sure in the future there will be certain answers to it, a Muslim scientist even said it.

You keep asking for evidences for supernatural, things that you can touch and see. The belief in the unseen is what makes you a Muslim, if you reject that belief then you cease to be a Muslim brother. That is what differentiates you from a materialist philosopher.

No matter how much scientists research on souls, the knowledge they will have will always be little. The subject of psychology is not to understand the nature of spirit/soul but merely to investigate the effects and causes of spirit related phenomena.

You are yet to answer the question, when will scientists invent a device that would enhance the intellect? At least, to grab the full knowledge behind the soul. At least philosophers believe in the existence of the soul based on phenomena manifestations.

tintingz:
Quran is NOT is not the only book that talked about spirituality, supernaturals, there are thousands of books, and they are all contradicting.

When there are thousand of books that talked about spirituality, what is required is then to place all these books under proper scrutiny and see which one is perfect. ONLY Qu'ran matches this challenge.

tintingz:
If I can't question what I can't see or feel, ear then how can one be rational about it?

Do you believe in ALLAH??

tintingz:
Treason is a different case here, where the person tries to harm government by waging war, violence, being rebellious.

Religion on the other should be people's choice to practice or leave.

There should be freedom of speech as long the person is not inflicting harms. E g in Saudi Arabia an atheist was killed lately for apostasy, there is no freedom of speech in that country.

Exactly, there is freedom of speech.

Changing of religion is not punishable in most cases, however, if that conversion is accompanied by an attempt to discredit Islam or propagate another religion within the islamic state, It is considered treasonable.

The apostacy law came about during the time of the prophet; in order to discredit Islam, some Jews in medina would accept islam in the day and leave by sunset; They continued to do so until the law was put in place.

Guess how many people did that act of accepting and leaving Islam the next day? None. The law is to serve as a deterrent and please, Saudi Arabia is not perfect Islam is.

emekaRaj:


Perhaps U ar talking from the perspective of having known him b4, but theres nothing Muslim about that guy. U can go through his comments.
Someone dat doesnt believe in the unseen can't be a Muslim, because it also means u dnt believe in Allah subhanawataala who is unseen.

Exactly, belief in the unseen is what makes one a Muslim.

emekaRaj:

As for my thread that's my experience, and am sharing them, something everyone is scared of doin because of judgmental hostile attitude from the Muslim bro. But me am diferent, I dont giv a blip. I was opportune to hav met alot of Sheiks because of my experience, so I dnt tink i should care much about nairaland opinion.

U can hav a look at the thread it's for anyone who understand it. If u dnt, there's no much i can do.

I would certainly look it in sha Allah.

emekaRaj:
Dat guy has been touched by evil forces... At this moment he is not confused he is more than confused, wats even more annoying is wen he is claiming to be rational, am like dude, do u even listen to urself, how can U claim to be rational with different confused thought.

The only help he can get is... A thourough RUQYA... Dats if it help.

As for me i care less.

You care less about a Muslim 'battling' with his faith?

I am still coming to your thread though, still not understanding. Your thread looks like I don't even know

tintingz:
Do you know that I'm already an apostate here, I've been stylishly placed fatwa for apostasy by a fanatic lord here.

Be sincere, what's the penalty for apostasy in sharia?

It's like asking me what's the penalty for treason in any government?

Read this hadith

Sahih Bukhari (Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions - 124)

Narrated Anas, There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-`Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him." Then Allah caused him to die, and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is the act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and took his body out of it because he had run away from them." They again dug the grave deeply for him, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is an act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and threw his body outside it, for he had run away from them." They dug the grave for him as deep as they could, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. So they believed that what had befallen him was not done by human beings and had to leave him thrown (on the ground).

Take a good look at the embolden words. Even the prophet didn't order that man should be killed, it was his time of death that came upon him.

There's freedom of religion but don't propagate falsehood against the religion and don't practice treason. If you are caught in any government, it's death.

That hadith people always quote is in isolation and not in context.

tintingz:

My rationality is to question everything, why won't I question the supernatural? How does Satan enter people's mouth when they yawn? Or pee pee in ones ear? How does Muhammed(SA) rode on flying horse to the sky but when told that Greek Gods rode on flying horse it will be rejected? Where did Adam and Eve lived, what's their skin color? How did we populated the earth from these two people? Why was Allah more active in ancient middle east? And many more questions that can't even be answered rationally.

Seriously brother?

If your rationality is to question everything, then your other senses too must be able to see, hear, taste, and feel everything. Don't you think so?

As your eyes have their limits, so do your ears, and your intellect.
Stop thinking that the intellect is limitless.

If the eyes can see everything, why the need for microscope as an aid to see tiny little objects? Scientists have designed some equipments to enhance other senses but when will they invent a device that would enhance the brain to think deeper and question unseen things? That's why the Qur'an is there as a guide to see one through his voyage of reasoning and reflection.
To filter out the chaff from the grains.

Among the things that made you a Muslim is the belief in the unseen. Then how can you question something you don't see??

tintingz:
Wow! My lovely brother Lanre is back!

I remember those days when you call me on phone just to check on me and ask about my well being. May Allah(SWT) continue his blessings on you.

Allahumo ameen, I pray the same for you akhee. May Allah make our feet firm on this path of Felicity.

tintingz:

I know you will be shocked about the sudden changes in my posts concerning Islam, well I'm still that tintingz, the Taiwo you know, I don't have any grudges with anybody here except does that insult me.

It's good to know you hold no grudges against anyone. In fact, it is a praiseworthy act in Islam. What I am worried about is how views and stances on issues.

I just hope with Allah's help, we can trash them out in sha Allah.

tintingz:

Well I've be reading a lot of books concerning all beliefs, religion, science, philosophy, psychology, history etc.

It is good to explore things, but it becomes problematic when one begins to give more priority to those things than divine scriptures.

tintingz:

I believe the brain was design for humans to reason and reason and reason deeply, there is nothing like "leading to the truth" in my ideology, everyone, every beliefs is claiming the truth. What's truth to you may not be truth to another.

You are right, our creator has given us intellect which make us more superior to every other being. It's true we must utilize and use our reasoning but in line with the scripture. Any reasoning without the revelation is zero.

Mawlana Jalaluddin Rumi said "Even a child's reasoning says 'Busy yourself with books'. But it is not possible for a child to learn anything from the book on their own.

Like so, the patient's reason brings them to a physician, but their reason cannot be a cure for them.

If every blabbermouth was to find a way to Allah's grace and favor, would Allah Almighty had sent all these prophets? That's to say, there's always a need for something to guide your path and as a Muslim, that's Qur'an and sunnah.

Sure, truth is relative. But there are UNIVERSAL TRUTH. Truth that are widely accepted by people. It's a universal truth that water is made up of 2 molecules of hydrogen and 1 molecule of oxygen.

It's a universal truth that sun rises in the east and set in the west and many other examples.

In the same vein, when it comes to the religious realm, there must a universal truth in which any religion/ideology claiming to be authentic must be able to prove.

Questions like;
Is there a supernatural being ??
What are his attributes?
What's the purpose of our creation?
Where do we go after our sojourn in life?

tintingz:

This is normal, to be worried about a brother that you loved by heart, thanks for that. I'm also worried about your absence for years in this section, I hope you're back for good.

Welcome back bro.

You are welcome akhee.

I also hope I am back for good. In sha Allah, I should be more active here once again. I was overwhelmed by activities in school.
Thanks dear brother.

ayinba1:
@Lanrexlan

Do you know him personally? I mean off nairaland?

If not, I would suggest that you recall prior posters like Abdulsleek and maybe usermane. I may have noticed his more recent posts than his earlier ones which may have seemed genuine. Overall, May Allah grant him the best gift, Ameen

He is not impostor

Check his previous posts, in the late 2013 and years after. He's a Muslim

Allahumo ameen

Rilwayne001:
Welcome back Lanre. Feels good to have you back.

Thanks dear brother, hope you are good??

Rilwayne001:

He's not even an agnostic, he sounds confused. The other day, he said he doesn't know whether he's a pantheist or a deist. Lol.

Maybe the word 'confused' is better.

Rilwayne001:

The thing is, he claimed to be rational. Of course we are all rational, but he took his own far by questioning the supernatural. And albaqir asked him a very pertinent question the other day. A question I wish he had answered but he didn't. Thankfully you are here now. And being one of his buddy and a respected bro here, you can be of help as well.

Exactly bro, we are all rational but rationality without guidance is futility. In Islam, it is both aql(intellect) in line with naql(Qur'an and sunnah).

Trying to use the brain to comprehend some supernatural events is akin to a person who is using a scale designed for measuring gold to measure mountain. No matter how perfectly made that scale is, it would give way because it has exceeded its capacity.

Our senses have their limits, the eye has its far point and near point. Same with the ear, there are sounds which the human ear can't hear and yet they exist.

The same is applicable to the brain, you can't rationalize everything. If you try to, then it's either misguidance or insanity.

Rilwayne001:

I had asked him to open a thread and tell us his predicament, but hitherto, he hasn't. Hopefully, this thread will do.

I am still expecting him here.

Rilwayne001:

Once again, welcome back brother. And please don't disappear as usual.

Thanks brother.

Lol, I would try not to disappear again

AbdelKabir:
^^ won't elongate this further, when you enter a thread like this, don't act hypocritical, set your priorities right....

Except if of course you agree with the misinterpretion of the Qur'an......

Then that's another case....

Ma'a salaam...

You still don't get the point.
May Allah have mercy on our souls

AbdelKabir:
It is worth mentioning that, this is the kind of egging you gave your friend while we were the harsh and arrogant ones, you can see what has become of him today....

So in your mind sir, you think 'being harsh' by calling people names and tagging people is what will make them accept what you presented? What a reasoning.

This is not egging, just telling you that there are more subtle means of correcting people than name callings. You always see discussion as a win or lose affair, Islamic discussion isn't.

You can easily point out the errors of the brother and he would have appreciated you if you have done it with the correct adab. But no, you resulted to names calling.

Don't you know that the more you call people names. the farther you are pushing them away to accept what you are passing?



Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 159:
فَبِمَا رَحْمَةٍ مِّنَ اللَّهِ لِنتَ لَهُمْ وَلَوْ كُنتَ فَظًّا غَلِيظَ الْقَلْبِ لَانفَضُّوا مِنْ حَوْلِكَ فَاعْفُ عَنْهُمْ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ وَشَاوِرْهُمْ فِي الْأَمْرِ فَإِذَا عَزَمْتَ فَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَوَكِّلِينَ

And by the Mercy of Allah, you dealt with them gently. And had you been severe and harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about you; so pass over (their faults), and ask (Allah's) Forgiveness for them; and consult them in the affairs. Then when you have taken a decision, put your trust in Allah, certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).


When will you learn of passing messages without insults and name calling?

AbdelKabir:


Only a hypocrite does this, we sincerely ask Allaah to cure your heart from the disease of hypocrisy.....

You are busy calling people that don't agree with you as gullible and you think that it's right? May Allah assist us

Empiree:
Welcome back

Bothered too actually but I really don't know much of his past here until I realized lately that he was active in this section. Some brothers are not making his situation better to be sincere.

Although I have always seen his ideology more as a joke. I thought he was not serious until he made some comments that got me

Lately, I have not seen anything he agrees with Islamically.

Thanks bro.

He was an ardent poster here before. Even some of the questions he is asking on his threads are questions he had answered when non-muslims asked such questions in the past.

I don't know what's wrong with the brother? Maybe he has busied himself with some sort of philosophical books, I just don't know.

Exactly, some brothers are making things worse. Just name calling (ANAS, NAS et al). I don't know how that would help him.

Maybe he got some answers

I have gone offline for a while, but on coming back and reading some posts of my brother, Tintingz I saw some things that caught my attention. He is sounding like an agnostic to me or am I missing something

Tintingz, please which books have you been reading of recent?
Do you know believe that the brain/logic only is capable of leading one to the truth?

Please I am worried


Empiree, Albaqir, Rilwayne001, Sino

AbdelKabir:


Nothing to say!! aren't you being deluded truly to believe 19 is a special number?

The great scholar Sufyan ath-Thawri (may God be pleased with him) is reported to have said,
“Knowledge is three hand-spans: the first breeds arrogance, the second breeds humility, and in the third, you realize you know nothing.”

May Allah help you to cross to the second stage

Rilwayne001:

Pele