Politics › Re: Are There Nigerians Of Other Races? Say White, Arabs Or Indians? by laudate: 7:34pm On Feb 12, 2017*. Modified: 8:37pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
chijiblaze: Well it's all in the quote. Imagine getting Nigeria citizenship after 50 years of residence....just b4 u die! Those foreign wives are a different case altogether. Most times they retain their pre-marriage citizenship, & their husbands even adopt theirs. U get...marriage 4 visa! By the way, their numbers are very low. Less than 1% of 1% of the population. They are not naturally born Caucasian / white Nigerian citizens, which is what the topic is about. Their children will be mixed race (black / mulatto) that doesn't make them Nigerians of a different race. All Nigerians are black. Any person of another race having Nigerian citizenship most likely has dual citizenship. Maybe, but a good number of women who are members of the Nigerwives Association are pure Caucasians. Sheila Solarin's case was an exception and it was partly due to the fact that her husband was an activist of sorts, who had issues with almost every ruling government in power. There are other Caucasian women who got their Nigerian citizenship in 14 years or less.  To get Nigerian citizenship in the past, you had to renounce every other citizenship, and only hold on to your Nigerian citizenship. Dual citizenship was not allowed until Ernest Shonekan's time, when he became head of the Interim National Govt after Abacha. I need to check what the current state of the law is, on this issue. As for Nigerian men who marry foreign women to get dual citizenship abroad (not in Nigeria), this trend became popular in the late '80s, when the devaluation of the naira started.  It became fashionable to seek greener pastures abroad. Before then, in the '60s and '70s, most Nigerian men did not marry those foreign women to get foreign citizenship. They did so out of love. A lot of those men went abroad to study, and often came back straight home after completing their course or working there, for a few years. The Naira in the '70s & early '80s, was stronger than the US dollar, and almost at par with the British pound. Jobs were waiting for well-educated graduates, and car loans were available for professionals that needed it, at a good rate. All those things have changed now.  However to get back to your earlier statement, getting a naturally born white Caucasian who holds Nigerian citizenship at birth, would be difficult, as Nigerian citizenship cannot be granted at birth to a person born on Nigerian soil to foreign citizens, unlike American citizenship. Your parents would have to be bonafide Nigerian citizens or naturalised Nigerians, for that to happen. |
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TV/Movies › Re: Start Editing Movies Videos Like A Jagaban : 100% Practical Training by laudate: 12:30am On Feb 12, 2017 |
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Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 11:13pm On Feb 11, 2017*. Modified: 11:36pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
To the acolytes of IPOB and its' foot soldiers, here are some words of advice: “Before you start a war, always count the cost. If you couldn’t, you just might be walking into a very deep grave you had misunderstood to mean victory…there are people who would never start a war but they fear not to take on an enemy, and they have a mastery of the art of war without even lifting a finger, and won’t stop until not one drop of blood is left in your veins.” - Melchizedek Edward II https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/211253/bubbles-burst.html “I need not tell you what horror, what devastation and what extreme human suffering will attend the use of force. When it is over and the smoke and dust have lifted and the dead are buried, we shall find as other people have found that it has all been futile, in solving the problems we set out to solve.” - General Adeyinka Adebayo (rtd), former Military Governor, old Western Region https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/211253/bubbles-burst.html “In Biafra two wars were fought simultaneously. The first was for the survival of the Ibos as a race. The second was for the survival of Ojukwu’s leadership. Ojukwu’s error, which proved fatal for millions of Ibos, was that he put the latter first.”
Ikemba, “lacked tact, never took advice, suffered what could pass for inferiority complex and was power drunk” for losing the same war, his “ego and quest for absolute control” spelt doom for the Biafran project. “It is a sad but instructive irony that Lt. Col. Odumegwu Ojukwu, one of Africa’s one-time most brilliant political promises, was the man that led his own people with such a lack of ingenuity into what was clearly a foreseeable disaster.” - Chief Raph Uwechue (1935-2014), Nigeria’s first diplomatic envoy to France (1966) in his book Reflections on the Nigerian Civil War (Africana Publishing Corp., 1969): “I told Ojukwu [to] invite these people [and inform them]. He told me they would compromise. That’s what he said. He didn’t invite them, never asked them questions. That‘s not how to lead. That’s what led us into trouble. There are many areas we would have compromised. Ojukwu did not compromise. That’s one of the mistakes he made in the war…It wasn’t that Zik opposed the war. Anybody with an intellect, with a sense would consider carefully the implications of a war. War is destructive. There’s no country that went to war that didn’t suffer, not one. When we went to war, we destroyed everything we had.” - Dr Okechukwu Ikejiani (1917-2007), former President of the Nigerian Medical Association (1962-1966), and Biafra’s Director of Laboratory Services and Ambassador Plenipotentiary (1967-1970) |
Autos › Re: fear Not Automobiles by laudate: 10:33pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
I like your quotes. What an innovative marketing strategy.  But your price is not pocket-friendly.  |
Properties › Re: Quick Lettings Self Contains by laudate: 10:09pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Off Lekki-Epe expressway ....is what area exactly??  Don't forget that the expressway is very long! |
Celebrities › Re: Denrele Celebrates His Mother's Birthday (Photos) by laudate: 10:03pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
phayvoursky: NO WONDER.
NIGERIAN MOM GO GIVE BIRTH TO DIS KIND PIKIN AND HIM COM DE MISBEHAVE?
SHE GO SLAP DEFAULT SETTINGS ENTER HIM HEAD. ROFLMAO!!  |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 3:47pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Ah yes, I just remembered this excerpt from the old Vanguard Newspaper someone brought to my attention. It is a pity, that most people do not talk about this aspect of the post-civil war efforts. Awolowo and the forgotten documents of the civil war, by Odia Ofeimun | Vanguard Newspapers | November 17th 2012 |
... . Biafra lost much international support, except for the sentimentality of Caritas, when it was discovered, and discussed across the world, that the General of the People’s Army was engaged in unethical profiling of starving children in order to attract international sympathy.
In his letter of resignation from his $400,000 contract and his post as Public Relations Representative of Biafra in the United States, Robert S. Goldstein, who had helped to build up much international concern for Biafra wrote to the Biafran Commander in chief as follows: “It is inconceivable to me that you would stop the feeding of thousands of your countrymen (under auspices of world organizations such as the International Red cross, world council of churches and many more) via a land corridor which is the only practical way to bring in food to help at this time………..I cannot serve you any longer. Nor can I be party to suppressing the fact that your starving thousands have the food, medicine and milk available to them….it can and is ready to be delivered through international organizations to you. Only your constant refusal has stopped its delivery.”
... For that matter, the reverse side of the Biafran charge of genocide against the Federal side is that the charge can be firmly and rigorously laid that Biafra sent people into combat who had no weapons to fight in a real war. And there was a vast civilian population whose food needs were not considered an issue either in the initial promotion of war frenzy or in the course of the war. Those who continue to trip on the propaganda of war, and are probably hoping that they would be given food stamps and reliefs if they manage to plunge Nigeria into another war with their unthinking actions, need to be told that it will not be called a war if one side must feed the other side....
.... After the war, there was clearly more than a silver lining which ought to be acknowledged even in the face of the harsh circumstances that existed. It is in the fact declared by SG Ikoku, the Commissioner for Economic Development in East Central State in the Daily Times of May 22, 1971 that “the Federal Government had made available 21.505 million pounds grant and 10.620 million as advances and loans. It was part of the accumulated amounts saved for the East Central State during the war by Chief Obafemi Awolowo, the Commissioner for Finance and Vice Chairman of the Federal Executive Council, on the basis of population distribution of revenue.
No one, these days, is ever allowed to know this little matter even if the point is to show how well those who wanted the Biafrans dead followed the financial regulations that guided the Federation and so kept what was due to the East in reserve for them till they returned to the fold.
....This is not even to ask about how the money was actually spent, which I am sure must be blamed on those who had saved the money. Besides, there really ought now to be a cross-check of Awolowo’s claim that he saved African Continental Bank post-haste in order to help shore up the economy of the East.
Or how quickly the Niger bridge was rebuilt, the cement factories rehabilitated and the African Development Bank cashiered into rehabilitation work with agricultural loans that Federal authorities had to look away from appraising on strict terms. Such things were left in the way that those who took monies from Biafra to buy food and ammunition but failed to deliver, have been forgotten with their loot of war. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/awolowo-and-the-forgotten-documents-of-the-civil-war4/ |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 3:00pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Nowenuse: Igbophobic? And how do u know that am not from Anioma, Ikwerre, Etche, Ekpeye e.t.c? See this one talking as if it is not these groups of people i am living with in Delta state, winning and dinning with, and hardly do u even see any of them talk about Igbo agenda. You can never see an Ika, Ukwuani, Anochia or Ikwerre person carry Igbo matter for head. Hardly! Cos most do not even believe they are Igbos. Let's watch na, it's no more Biafra, it's now 'Oke alozie oheze'. LoLL....continous clowns. Which would it be next? LWKMD!! ROFLMAO! See finishing...guy, you for pity am small, nah!  |
Politics › Re: Are There Nigerians Of Other Races? Say White, Arabs Or Indians? by laudate: 3:42am On Feb 11, 2017*. Modified: 4:03am On Feb 11, 2017 |
chijiblaze: There are some Arab (Lebanese) naturalized Nigerians in Lagos. Apart from that, no more. Back those days when the economy was still OK, we used to have a large number of Indians living in Nigeria but not naturalized. So if you come across a white fellow who tells you that s/he is a Nigerian, don't believe them! There are Caucasians who have naturalised after living in Nigeria for many years, and they even carry our green passport. Ever heard of Niger wives association? Members of this association are foreigners who got married to Nigerians, and ended up living in Nigeria with their families and a good number of them (not all, o) naturalised after several years.  Does anyone remember the late Sheila Solarin, the British wife of the late Tai Solarin of the popular Mayflower School Ikenne? She lived in Nigeria for over 50 years and was finally granted Nigerian citizenship, a few years before she died. Sheila Solarin: A Personal Testimony | by Akin Adesokan| PM News Sheila Solarin, co-founder of the imaginative Mayflower School at Ikenne, who passed away on 20 October 2011 at the age of 88, lived and worked in Nigeria for over 50 years..... Married to the legendary social critic, educationist and humanist, Tai Solarin, at the end of his doctorate programme in England in the late 1940s, she arrived with him in Nigeria in 1952, at the start of that incredible decade of Nigeria’s giddying race toward political independence.
Tai took up an appointment as the headmaster of Molusi College in Ijebu-Igbo, and very quickly ran afoul of the establishment there. He was a fiercely unconventional leader at a time the colonial system, though at an end, had seeded a natural deference toward authority of all sorts, and the educational system, with its traditions of inculcation, hierarchy, and formality was a bastion of conservative attitudes.....
....... The relevant point, though, is that Sheila was a person without attitudes. Which is why the issue of her long-delayed naturalisation puzzled many people. Writing about this issue in The Guardian newspaper of 30 July 2006, columnist Reuben Abati observed an extraordinary irony. Her application for citizenship was repeatedly denied at a time when Nigerians were voting with their feet, hankering after American, Canadian or European citizenships. And she was a Briton, with natural rights as a citizen there. But she kept renewing the faith, the last time being in 2002. After four years of waiting, she was eventually granted Nigerian citizenship with full rights on 25 July 2006. http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2012/11/06/sheila-solarin-a-personal-testimony/ |
Politics › Re: See The Pictures Of Lynden Industries Igbariam Commissioned Today By Obiano by laudate: 2:10am On Feb 11, 2017*. Modified: 2:39am On Feb 11, 2017 |
Ganiyat72: Let me invite my yoruba muslim brothers to come and pour their hate filled invectives. Sarrki,madridguy,aresa,demdem,raudemta,ngeneukwenu,dropshot,passinshot,blackpand,omenkaisalive,super1star,cleverly,laudate etc Anuofia! For labelling me with a false tag of a Yoruba muslim, may every good thing depart from your life, you lousy efùlefù. Ị sùḷù ̣afịa.  Ife n̄kịtị. I have told you before, this garment of impersonation you are wearing, will cut short your existence. |
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Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 8:10pm On Feb 10, 2017*. Modified: 10:44pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
In under to domicile or ratify a government decision, or enact a change, military govts issued decrees, through which they governed the people. Without a decree, a govt decision did not carry any legal backing or the full weight of the law. So that was why a decree was needed in order to translate the decisions reached at Aburi, into a legal instrument or into an agreement backed by law.  Govt has lost countless cases in court, because they issued a regulation that was not backed by law or a decree to back it up.  |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 8:05pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
StOla: You dabble into a 20pounds debate that you don't even know anything about. Which makes you the perplexing idiot here.
When you know something about it, then we can have a debate. I'm not here to lecture kids. No mind am. The answer has been published in various articles written about the war till date. You should ask him how many NdIgbo left money behind in Barclays bank, like he claimed.  Many of them cleaned out their savings from the bank and ran to the East. This was in the days of banks carrying out transactions manually using huge ledgers and large notebooks, o!  There was no internet banking at that time. If you had money in a bank in Lagos, and you wanted to cash it through branches of the same bank in the '80s and 90s in a different state or region, it would be treated as an upcountry cheque and it would take minimum of 21 days to get that money. Not to now talk of during the '60s. Can you imagine how long it would have taken?  Coupled with the fact that during the war, many branches in the SE and SS were closed down due to fear of attacks. Abeg, don't listen to their tales by moonlight, o! |
Politics › Re: Niger Delta Is Not With Biafra Dokubo Can Give Up Rivers by laudate: 2:54pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
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Politics › Re: Niger Delta Is Not With Biafra Dokubo Can Give Up Rivers by laudate: 2:54pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Pchidexy: Do you really think you re better than any Igbo dude? We own Delta state via Anioma. So, kolowerk! You own Delta State, indeed. Why do you chaps enjoy boasting like empty barrels?  |
Education › Re: Common Terms And Popular Places In UNILAG by laudate: 2:43pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
ericmor: U like cheap things o. Anyway, New hall is new hall. It use to be a male hostel way back then before giving some part to the ladies but their is an female hostel behind sha. N the op did not mention the GTB garden, is a nice place too The female hostel inside New Hall is Madam Tinubu Hall.  |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 2:25pm On Feb 10, 2017*. Modified: 2:45pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
ODVanguard: Chai! Na so Ojukwu jus mess up himself and his people via a needless war, when he could have gotten exactly what he went to war over without firing a single shot! Na over-sabi/thoughtless exuberrance/over-ambition cause am. Oh what a missed a missed opportunity thay was. The bobo should have been flogged thoroughly for such an epic blunder. So you sef don see am??  Ojukwu just wanted to be Commander-in-Chief of a sovereign nation, that is all.  Initially, his whole rhetoric was centered on saving the Igbo from their traducers. But along the line, there was a paradigm shift and his followers did not realise it. Ojukwu had shifted his focus from just helping his people, to acquiring power at all costs. The story could have ended differently, if he had listened to wiser counsel from others. It is so sad. May the souls of the departed, rest in peace.  |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 1:57pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Here is another view from a different commentator. “True federalism” and all that… By Mohammed Haruna | Publish Date: May 25 2016 5:00 AM | In rejecting the decree, Ojukwu stood alone among his colleagues. And his rejection, along with other decisions he had taken like his seizure of some national assets in his region, led to the conclusion among the federal authorities that the man had made up his mind to curve his region into a sovereign nation.
Gowon’s state creation was partly his preemptive strike aimed at isolating Ojukwu. Contrary to the revisionism we have been subjected to all these decades, that move was widely acclaimed as wise. For, up until then giving minorities in each region their sub-regions was widely considered a solution to their agitations that had started even before Independence in 1960. Read more at http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/columns/-true-federalism-and-all-that/148320.html#LyoiumQLala1kXfq.99 Ojukwu: Hero or Villain? | By Max Siollun on December 16, 2007
The federal government attempted to implement the Aburi agreement in diluted form by enacting a modified Constitution (Suspension and Modification) Decree which turned Nigeria into a de facto confederation. Ojukwu declined to accept the initial draft and insisted on a full and complete implementation of the accords reached at Aburi.
Nonetheless as the weaker party he could still have showed greater pragmatism to spare further suffering for his people. At this point Ojukwu’s decision making must be questioned. Ojukwu would have saved many lives had he shown a greater degree of flexibility by accepting the Decree as it gave him 90% of what he wanted. In the “winner takes all” mentality that is so symptomatic of Nigerian politics, Ojukwu unrealistically held out for 100% of his demands and in the end, received 0%.
His intransigence placed him and his people in a worse position than they started in. Rather than turning Nigeria into a confederation (which is what Decree 8 did), Ojukwu ’s intransigence gave the federal government an opportunity to overrun the Eastern Region, carve the country into several states and concentrate massive powers in the central government. Forty years later many Nigerians now call for the restructuring of Nigeria, and for devolution of power to its regions. Ojukwu had a golden opportunity to achieve this over 40 years ago but squandered it. Had he shown some patience he may have achieved his objectives – albeit at a later date. The old adage is that “the best comes to those who wait.”
Ojukwu could have taken a leaf from the book of another infant country named Israel. For several decades Jews fought to be given their own state in what was then British Mandate Palestine. In 1947, they were granted their state but only on half the land that they wanted.
Realizing that it is best to accept what is achievable today, rather than risk holding out for 100% and getting nothing, Israel’s first leader David Ben-Gurion accepted a state but cleverly did not enunciate the borders of this state – this leaving the door open to agitate for more land at a later date. Today the “green line” borders of Israel encompass more land than it originally had at independence. [/color] https://maxsiollun./tag/ojukwu/ |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 1:51pm On Feb 10, 2017*. Modified: 12:07am On Feb 13, 2017 |
TheSociopath: The enduring grip of historical falsehoods on Igbo minds continues to poison both Igbo culture and psyche.
BY TOCHUKWU EZUKANMA FEB 06, 2017
My recent article, the messages of Ahiara, an incisive piece buttressed with logic and reason, which refuted some popular but erroneous notions of tribalism and secession in Nigeria, drew a lot of hostile responses from some of my readers. They lobbed curses and hauled invectives at me. However, to me, it was all exhilarating. I relish rejoinders to my writings, be them abusive or appreciative.....
.....In search of peace, the regional governors, David Ejoor, Usman Katsina, Robert Adebayo and Chukwuemeka Ojukwu, and the Head of State, Yakubu Gowon, met at Aburi in Ghana, where they agreed on and signed the Aburi Accord. The most significant aspect of the accord was constitutional: the reduction of the powers of the federal government by devolution of additional powers to regional governments. Long ago, an Igbo professor of political science at Howard University in Washington, DC told me that Yakubu Gowon implemented the Aburi Accord. To me, his statement was not only unbelievable but sacrilegious. I lost my temper at what I thought was historical revisionism taken to a nauseating extreme. The elderly professor must have understood my problem. I was suffering from a hangover of the Biafran propaganda. I was under the stupefying hold of the lies we were fed in Biafra. For he stated, “don’t worry, with time, in the course of your reading and research, you will find out that Gowon implemented the Aburi Accord”.
Years later, I found out that Gowon implemented the Aburi Accord. In his book, Power Sharing in Nigerian Federation, Chukwuemeka Nwokedi wrote that, “Apart from minor adjustments to the Aburi Accord, in other to still retain the corporate nature of Nigeria”, Gowon implemented the Aburi Accord with Decree 8; “and the regions acquired more powers than they have ever had”. That was months before the continued wrangling between Ojukwu and Gowon led to the creation of states. But did Ojukwu not declare Biafra and we marched out to war on the mantra, “On Aburi We Stand”. According to other writers, the minor adjustments Gowon made to the accord was the cancelation of two articles of the accord, which stated that any region can secede from Nigeria at will, and that the federal government can, on no account, impose a state of emergency on any region. Ojukwu’s advisers urged him to accept Decree 8 because Gowon had “gone more than far enough”. He refused.
The removal of the two articles of the accord did not in any way imperil the lives and property of the Igbo and other peoples of Eastern Region. Ojukwu’s squabbling, against the advice of his advisers, over the two articles was solely motivated by personal ambition. Following Ojukwu’s declaration of Biafra, the war inevitably started. As it raged on, it was obvious that a negotiated settlement to the war would be most advantageous to the Igbo. Ojukwu’s obsession with maintaining himself in power stalled the peace talks that would have extracted for the Igbo a number of concessions from the federal government. Despite the enormous toll of the war, especially, on human lives, he kept protecting his position and power, until it became untenable. And, as Biafra collapsed, he ran away; Biafra surrendered unconditionally.
A litany of the falsehood we were fed in Biafra is beyond the scope of this article. David Klinghoffer was right when he wrote that, “Widespread misinformation poisons a culture”. The enduring grip of these falsehoods on Igbo minds continues to poison both Igbo culture and psyche. They make us paranoid – we feel surrounded by enemies committed to our destruction, and in our suspicion of these “enemies” we see ulterior motives in every act, no matter how well-intended and benign, by other Nigerians. In addition, they make us feel like innocent victims of the evil devices of an alliance of the other Nigerian ethnic groups. And like perennial victims we refuse to take responsibilities for our actions; we find psychological refuge in blaming others, the Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani, etc, for our problems.
Blaming others for your problems is gratifying, but destructive; it reinforces the feeling of victimhood. The mindset that sustains a feeling of victimhood is antithetical to victory. Therefore, a victim remains a loser until he changes his mindset. For our own good, the Igbo need to change their attitude towards Nigeria and the other peoples of Nigeria. This demands rising above the misinformation of the Biafran propaganda by embracing some incontrovertible historical facts..... Source: http://saharareporters.com/2017/02/06/misinformation-continues-poison-our-minds-tochukwu-ezukanma Alright, o!  When I mentioned in another thread, that Decree 8 met 80% of the demands Ojukwu made at Aburi, some simpletons rained invectives on me.  A wise man would have accepted the decree, and pushed for its implementation, with a view to getting the rest of his demands met, at the end of some other day. But not Ojukwu. He threw everything out of the window, and announced a secession. Now, it is gratifying to see that some other folks have analysed the whole issue, and reached the same conclusion. Here is another view shared by former super permanent secretary Philip Chukwuedo Asiodu's in an old interview concerning Decree 8 of 1967: WHY ABURI ACCORD FAILED, BY ASIODU |tnv | THE NIGERIAN VOICE |
Asiodu: But coming back from what I was saying. Go and read decree 8, if we had implemented it - in three months, we would have had four independent states.
Q: Why was it not implemented?
Asiodu: "Because, it didn't satisfy the Easterners. The decree had been promulgated by Gowon. It was to be implemented then. But it was seen by Ojukwu as not being sufficient. I am saying that politics is something which has to be played with some tact. Sometimes my brothers there see black and white where there is immediately green in between. Sometimes, there is really no finesse in politics. They will think the reality is not important as how you get there. The reality was that Nigeria was finished under decree number 8. The reality is that although it was finished, they didn't proclaim 'we hereby dissolve Nigeria'. But that was of no effect. You go and read it. But it was rejected...." https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/thread/12170/87243/1 Asiodu: "Then few of us- Alison Ayida, late Aliu Martins, myself, Abdulaziz, who served in the East, 'we went to ask Ojukwu what is it you want so that we could prepare the ground for a meaningful conference, where every side would know what they are saying.' Eventually, just as Ojukwu was warming up to tell us what he wanted , so that we could have come back to Lagos, sell those ideas to Gowon, and see if we can reach agreement, C. C. Mojekwu came and broke up the meeting.
He destroyed that last chance, and we flew back empty handed. Before they started cooking up the Aburi, they went to with unequal preparation. But before then, General Gowon was only communicating with him as an officer. He did know that behind Ojukwu, people were working. So, we didn't want Ojukwu to get the wrong impression. In anyway, we then agreed that a letter be prepared, addressed from my house, signed by Alison Ayida,who was in Oxford (cuts in, he was in Oxford too?) at the same time? Two of us signed this letter trying to spell out to him the consequences of what will happen if secession was declared. That there would be war and if there is war, until you vanquished federal authority, you will not get recognition which will give you access to the sea, and so on.
I can be embittered. I can feel for my people. But I have a duty to make sure that every step I take, I have calculated all the scenarios and make sure that in the worst scenario , I am not taking them to a worst decision. https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/thread/12170/87243/1 Asiodu:"When they subjected this Aburi accord to simple analysis, it was simply saying Nigeria is no more practically. And as far as was concerned, the civil war or no civil war, then chaos would have started later. All the same, we said look, … if we still want to be a country….authority which deals with customs, currency, federal trunk roads, foreign and external defences, that is more than enough for a government. But it must be able to act.
You can not say that in the Ministry of Defence, you can not promote somebody a Lt Col, except you have a unanimity. You cannot move one plane to another place except through unanimity. Even when you have those limited powers, they must be able to function. And you cannot function in the context of those things they said. And then what you have is four countries.
Q:And the permanent secretaries vetoed it? Asiodu: "No. The permanent secretary made analysis and said look, if you are really serious, if you say you are having Nigeria, you must have central function which must be fulfilled. There is no need saying this is central function and you cannot fulfill it. So, we analysed and said these were based on incorrect premises. People came with proper papers, well formulated. The other side just went thinking they were going to do initial breaking of the ice. Therefore, please try to reconcile this to ensure that we still have a country.
Gowon in fairness, vetoed that approach, and still proceeded to have decree number 8 of 1967. If you go and read that decree, and if the East had accepted that decree, there would have been no need for secession. Nigeria would have disintegrated within three months. And you can not move anybody without unanimity. You collect revenue, you cannot transfer it…"
Q: Decree 8 was an affirmation of Aburi accord? Asiodu: It was an affirmation of the Aburi accord which gave the East under Ojukwu, more than 95 per cent of what Aburi meant. But because there were maybe one or two phrases which they didn't like, if they read that thing and it is still there, they'd have got what they wanted. But it was such that, hostilities would have broken out among four independent countries. Not one on one.
And I think, we don't have much time now. With the present challenges in the country and the lack of serious effort to address the issue, we may even be in worse position if we are not careful. Because, this time, it will not be federal versus Biafra, but among 110 million people. So we are going to end up with warlords, if authorities should finally break down and I appeal to God that we avoid that, by stopping all these jokes as if we can continue milking this country forever.
What we are doing is not sustainable. And the sooner we address, try to create a new national austerity programme, discipline ourselves, decide that we cannot be millionaires, billionaires in little islands with a whole ocean of poor wretched people, there would be this tsunami which will overwhelm all of us.https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/thread/12170/87243/1 |
Culture › Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by laudate: 1:35pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
ODVanguard: Can you just imagine the guy is still arguing blindly and insisting on his imaginary theory or should we call it fantasy? The explanation is plain and simple common sensical yet he's apparently not bright enough to get it.
Them folks must either not have a history they're proud of, or are just plain shamless for wanting so badly to fraudulently superimpose themselves into Yoruba history. It's quite shameful I tell you. Leave them, nah. Don't you know what they are like?  Apart from this Tequilah chap, 5 other people (including your humble self) have already told them the truth and analysed the situation clearly, to show that there is no relationship between the Ugbo people that Moremi unmasked, as well as the Igbos of the eastern states. They still don't want to listen. Let them keep wallowing in their deception.  It keeps them happy. |
Sports › Re: Alternative Routes During Access Bank Lagos City Marathon February 11 2017 by laudate: 1:08pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Access Bank should just go and hold this marathon on the outskirts of Lagos, like Mowe or Epe where the population is more widely dispersed. If you see what happened in Lekki last year, the whole area was on lockdown for more than 5 hours while the marathon took place. And after it ended, there was a gridlock, as cars and people tried their best to get out of the area. It took another 4 hours before sanity could be restored to that district. mtcheew... |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 12:46pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Dhugal: Ko ni da f'eni fi kini yi se o Eeyah... is that the new way you now describe yourself?  Or is that the direct translation of your native name?  |
Jobs/Vacancies › Re: How I Got A Job I'm Not Qualified Or Trained For by laudate: 12:44pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
mayorchelsea: Forget the title of the thread.The firm had no department or role as that.I was asked to write on the relevance of that role to what they do.They were impressed with what I was able to come up with especially the fact that it was impromptu. They decided to create that role and I'll be working with other experienced hands too but I just don't wanna relax and assume I'm good to stay.I want to do well and it's what brought about this thread in the first place.Again,no candidate applied for this role because they didn't have it and I just used my experience in microfinance to convince them of the need for it,would you blame me? Thanks for the additional info. No, I wouldn't blame you. But you need to also manage their expectations by letting them know that your experience in this new field is a bit limited, and as such you need their cooperation and support. Now, as a new staff they may not be willing to send you on courses immediately, so you might need to fund those courses yourself, initially.  Since it is a new role, you would also have to manage all your internal stakeholders very well. This is critical, as some chaps in there may not know exactly what your new job entails, and may see you as interfering in their work, whenever it comes to time to carry out your assignment. Just solicit their understanding, and work hard to learn as much as you can. Any mistakes on your part, could lead to the regulators slamming a heavy fine on your microfinance bank.  I wish you lots of luck.  |
Politics › Re: Clueless Investors Bought Over Nigeria’s Power Sector – Saraki by laudate: 12:36pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
jpphilips: since you have gotten your facts right, then go back to your previous post and edit it!! Why? There is no need. |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 10:36am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Dhugal: You really are a nodcock,raised to the nth power. Stupidity it is,mistaking me for another.But then,it's your factory set mode. Let me make it clear,since you're yet too dense to grab,you're constituting a rather noticeable nuisance on this board and it's high time you're called to order. Contribute meaningfully or shut the hell up. Better still,go get a job.Any job,and contribute meaningfully to the society.Not the layabout that you currently are. Chai!! This matter don pain you enter bone, o! Eeyah, oya take my advice. Take the next turn on your left, and then go straight on. You will get to a market. At the gate of the market is a huge transformer. Quickly hug it with wet hands. Then come back in here, to share your experience. It should cure you of your obsession with me, you chameleon with multiple identities.  |
Politics › Re: The Dream Country ... Oduduwa Republic by laudate: 10:27am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Omudia: I didnt read your thrash sir. Rea-aa-lly?  Keep deceiving yourself. If you didn't read it, it would not have hurt you to the point where you felt the need to use the strikethrough button. That's okay. You got the message. You read it, it pained you and in a fit of fury - you cancelled it.  Now, you can throw another tantrum. We are waiting! |
Politics › Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 10:24am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Nowenuse: If not stupidity, why do many Ipobs lack cognizance of the fact that almost all Igbo politicians, elites, powerful business men, religious and traditional leaders do not give a rat's ass about Biafra? They seldom talk about it in the open let alone chamioning it, when they are the ones who are supposed to be at the forefront of the struggle in order to make it plausible.. We only see scoundrels, societal misfits, derelicts and all manners of low-life igbos killing themselves on Biafran issues. Is Biafran agitation only for the poor and faceless Igbos? I no know say you sef, see am.  Wait first... I still dey read the OP's post. I wan digest am very well, before ..... |
Politics › Re: The Dream Country ... Oduduwa Republic by laudate: 10:21am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Omudia: You're a fool.... I should be the one telling you to stop spamming my mentions. Daft iPod tout who is bereft of a sane mind.
Go back and check my first response to that Yoruba dude, it read "As an Urhobo, I'm also in support of this".
Get lost, fool. Hehehehe..... this matter don pain you enter bone.  Stop foisting the tag of IPOB youth on me, because I am certainly not one. Only a lazy, clueless toad like you would reach for that handle. You were here when your brother was busy claiming that you were Fratermathy. You said nothing to refute it. It was after the real Fratermathy showed up, that you now rushed in here to claim you were not impersonating him. Abeg, swerve. Carry your crap to another direction. Nobody gives a hoot about who or what you are. You are too inconsequential in the scheme of things!  Anu ofia. |
Romance › Re: At Age 25, A Man Must Have An Apartment & 2 Cars - Lady Says And Was Blasted by laudate: 10:15am On Feb 10, 2017 |
vena92: Oga this mindset of impossibilities is what keeps us backward.Read what I wrote again. Oga, it is this psyche of just swallowing any info., without critically analysing it, that has led our country to where it is today. You sef, go back & read my responses with an open mind. |
Politics › Re: The Dream Country ... Oduduwa Republic by laudate: 10:08am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Omudia: When have I tried to impersonate him? When did I mention that I'm fratermathy? Stop casting vain aspersions. You can't even keep your lies, straight. Anu ofia, get off my mentions. You are too ridiculous for words. |