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Vicotex:
go and ask your elders where is Ogene originated from.

Just like how i dislodge you the other time you were claim Etsako as an ethnic group in edo.
Mah niqqa u knw 0-nothing bout' those people in Edo. No be everything google go show nd no be everything wey dem show u be 100% fact/proof

Guy, we all know where the Ogene comes from. Other ethnic groups have their own versions, which they have christened in their own indigenous languages. Period.

When and where did you 'dislodge' me? Point out the thread, and paste the link here so we can verify, because we all know that conjecture and hyperbole are your middle names. And my knowledge about Edo people does NOT come from google. I have relatives married to Edo people, so do not presume to tell me what I already know!

PenSniper:
Even if Ogbemudia's mother is Ibo, does that make him Ibo ?

Don't mind the guy! Even if Ogbemudia's mother is Igbo, what about the millions of other indigenous people that exist in Edo State who are NOT Igbo? Their urge for territorial expansion and need to claim anything or anybody close to their axis, is going to be their undoing.

Vicotex:
Egusi soup (Igbo food) served side by side with Groundnut soup (Afemai food) in the coronation of the Uthairu/Ogie (King) and during "Age group".

They also use "Ogene" drum during their cultural occasion, e.g Age group, marriage etc.

So only Egusi soup (which a lot of Yoruba, Itsekiri, Nupe and other tribes also serve and eat) is your own definition of Igbo influence on the Afenmai and Esan culture??! I laugh.....in Greek!

Bros, you are hilarious! I thought you were going to list at least 12 dishes to show heavy Igbo influence on the Afenmai. Guy, am yet to be convinced of this your Igbo influence, o!

As for the Ogene, a number of cultures use this kind of instrument and it is called by different names in their own respective languages.

Vicotex:
not talking bout' highlife.
I said listen to the sound you'll hear it.
You probably haven't heard an Afemia traditional song before.
There is no need exchanging words with you

Yes, o! Please don't say anything to me unless you have your facts ready. Your ability to deal in conjecture is quite strange, and when you are called out on it, you then take refuge in mundane remarks. My last comment was addressed to aim5 who drew an analogy between traditional Afenmai music and highlife sounds. Next time you want to allege that there is an Igbo influence on any other culture, please try to be specific by stating exactly what constitute those influences.

aim5:
I can see where he's coming from when he says that Igbo and Afemai music are similar.. he's probably confusing that peaceful, melodic highlife sound for an Igbo influence in their music.

Thanks for your response, jare.

ekenedegreat:
I think you're the one with shallow mind here. You're making issues out of nothing!!

Nah, all the shallowness resides in your own mind. Check am well.

aim5:
I can see where he's coming from when he says that Igbo and Afemai music are similar.. he's probably confusing that peaceful, melodic highlife sound for an Igbo influence in their music.

I see! Is he saying highlife originated from the Igbo?

ozoro:
Population of Nigeria was 66 million in 1977.

Most youth could not go to university, how many children in the villages went to university? Because you good are young you now take these things for granted.

My father had 8 brothers, only he and another brother went to university- and they trained themselves.

Nowadays (even though standards are poor) we all believe university education is a right - only for our graduates to study stupid pen-pusher courses and look for non-existence whte collar jobs.

A legacy of the 1970s which taught us We go university to get level 8 job

Everyone's reality is different. My uncles were 6, and they all went to university in the 60s and 70s, courtesy of scholarships at federal and state levels, and lower tuition fees. Two of them had to sign a bond to ensure they worked with the state govt on graduation. One of their cousins was actually sponsored by the armed forces, and had to come back to the country to serve after he graduated from a foreign university.

While I know some villages lacked electricity in 1979, I heard of several other villages that got connected to the national grid in the mid-sixties, especially in the South-West.

At that time, I heard of reports about how vocational schools, nursing schools and teacher training colleges were also a preference for those who wanted higher education. I heard of folks coming out of the villages to reside in the towns and cities in order to attend these training colleges. One of my older relatives who attended a teacher training college in those days, still speaks and writes impeccable Queen's English, that a lot of today's graduates cannot match.

There was a lot of self-help among families, but it did not negate the fact that many of the opportunities in existence at that time could be accessed by those qualified for it, and those who worked hard for it.

Like I said, everyone's reality is different. But most of my elders I believe had a better life in the 60s and 70s. Can you compare hostel accommodation in the 60s and 70s in a federal university, with what obtains now?

Vicotex:
my niqqa no misquote me.
I grew up there listening to their local/highly respected cultural musicians in Auchi, namely "Ekpe young", "Ogagbi", "Waziri", "Young Bolivia". You'll find igbo elements in their music.
When it comes to food, they adopted most of Igbo food, and are served during any traditional/cultural occasion.

I never mentioned that they speak like igbo or answer igbo names.

What are the Igbo elements in their music??! I asked you this question earlier. And what kind of Igbo food did they adopt?? Are you sure that you were not dining with people who are not indigenes but who originally came from Igbo land, to settle there? Or maybe you were dining with those whose wives were from Ala'Igbo.

To the best of my knowledge, Afenmai people descended from Benin, so it is highly unlikely that their music has Igbo elements, o!

aim5:
I listen to Waziri and Young Bolivia and they do have that soothing highlife sound in their music, I'll give you that much. But I still doubt they have any Igbo elements, give the fact that they are very different culturally.

Abeg, help me tell dem!

Kingharzyz:
It has a spacious compound! The house is all en-suite. With 24 hours bore hole water! In a serene environment. All necessary documents are available. Contact MR AZIZ on 08133703690 or E-mail azizola91@yahoo.com or BB 3289D110.......thanks!

Where exactly is the location? And what kind of title exists on the property? Over a month ago, these same questions were asked from you, but you chose to ignore them. It means that what you are offering is a scam.

Your plot sizes are too small for =N=4 million, in that axis. Standard plot size is 650sq.metres and not 500 sq.metres.

Raymie:
Agreed. But was the OP conned into buying the car? Even the conmen at computer village make sure yhu inspect and test their phone before exchanging it with soap bars. OP didn't inspect, he replied on pictures and word from someone he has never met and thus has no reason to trust. Like he expected the seller to list all the 50 mega defects and not run away? He paid a certain percentage and baring other expenses, got his car at his doorstep. I may be wrong, but I do not see where scamming comes into play here. OP was not forced or hypnotized to buy the car, he CHOSE to. He CHOSE also not to inspect before buying. When issues started arising, he could have sent the driver back, again he CHOSE not to. Life is about choices which mak or Mar us. Seller took advantage of OP's choices and sold him a vehicle 'as is' when OP expected 'as should be'. OP for all the hullabaloo in NL auto section has same percentage of blame as his alleged 'scammer' only say na who report first dey innocent.

Oh, I agree that no one forced the OP to buy the car. But he was conned into buying it by Chucky234 who misrepresented the facts to the OP, by NOT making a full and frank disclosure of all the defects on the car, before selling it off to the OP. He did not even disclose 60% of the faults!

Please go through this thread again if you have not already done so, and read through all the comments made by everyone. See the pictures and comments initially posted by Chucky234, and compare it with the pictures and comments made by the buyer, after he took delivery. Then you would see that Chucky234 had every intention to defraud the OP, by not listing ALL the faults on the car.

Life is about choices. I agree. Chucky234 has chosen to lie in order to make a sale via a scam, and he should not be allowed to get away with it. So kindly do not expect the rest of us to condone his actions. What he has done is OBT. Pure and simple. If you were in the OP's shoes, you would not say this kind of stuff.

Raymie:
What's I see is a hardworking individual who is trying to cover all his bases. You can insult him for all he's worth but I reckon he's smarter and more financially secure than you who is a jack of no trade.

Yeah... he got his financially secure lifestyle from trying to scam others!

anigbajumo:
Oh mai God,see Landslide finishing........guy,dis is 3much nah

I no know say you sef see am! Na gargantuan landslide finishing! The V0ice please collect one hi-five from this side!!

agongajoseph:
Just googled his info...d guy na jack of all trade, master of non...he supplies fertilizers, cassava n even manure ...cheiiii!!!, no wonder the car looks like piece of fulani man shit, I think he used it to supply bread too in Ajegunle. THE GUY DEY LIVE INSIDE ARMY BARRACKS!!

Live inside army barracks...as what?? Are you sure it is not just that he runs one small shop inside the mammy market within that place??

OfoIgbo:
Buhari and his vice Idiagbon called Nigerians exactly that, when they held sway in the 80s.

Please listen to Fela's "BASKET MOUTH don start to leak again"

Ichie!! Fela, ke? Why not point out the newspaper or documentary evidence to support this claim??

LastProphet:
my brother you never see ibo reasoning, its normally upside down and there is no difference between an educated or uneducated ibo, if you ever hear that an educated person came from abroad to marry a village girl and is able to conveniently relate with her afterwards it is ibo. its a few that grow up outside their land that can reason well

ROFLMAO!! Guy, this your response is wicked, o!

LWKMD!!

theV0ice:
You see my problem with you and your ilk?? you are fond of giving what you can't take to others. So you feel hurt by my reference to the 3 million of your ancestors massacred in 1967 yet you never fail to poke fun at Abiola's relatives with his death?? You're a buffoon of the highest order.

See the bolded portion of your post.....should i mention the 50,000 of your kith and kin killed in the pogrom before the civil war started? Should i put a figure on your unfortunate kinsmen slaughtered in all the religious uprisings in the north? or the amount of money and properties they lost? You always wish to have a morbid enjoyment at other people's expense yet start crying when you're served a dose of your coolaid? huh? You know who behaves like that? A child

Who wants to drown Fulanis in the Lagoon? Who even threatened to drown your leaders in the Lagoon?? Oba Rilwan Akiolu really gave you the chills with his speech to your leaders o....So much so you can't stop talking about it

See your leaders cheering the Oba as he made the 'threat' to drown you in the lagoon according to you

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/180738-igbo-leaders-applauded-oba-of-lagos-as-he-delivered-anti-igbo-speech.html

http://saharareporters.com/2015/04/08/igbo-leaders-cheered-oba-lagos-he-delivered-anti-igbo-speech

Were your leaders hallucinating when they were applauding him? or they cared more about the money they make from Lagos than about your lives as usual?

Oya go over it again and start another round of rants, wailing, whining and moaning over it.....It's the only thing you're good at

Also, you're the one who says you're in bondage in a zoo. Pls declare your independence for the umpteenth time.....then come back and cry some more

Guy, na wah, o! Maka gini? Una for call me since nah...chai!! See all the action wey don dey happen for here! Correct response just dey flow from your keyboard like water, wey you just dey take demolish that ekwensu....abeg, collect one chilled bottle from there! All the drinks are on the house!

Bollinger:
I actually know what the standard is. The standard is people not engaging in jungle justice while onlookers cheer for joy. The standard is power generation for a nations masses. Not sometimes, not most of the time, all of the time. The standard is corruption should not be seen as business as usual. The standard is quality health care for all. And many more. Those are part of the standard.

Clap for yourself! And because the standard is not prevalent in Nigeria, you believe the best way to set up those 'standards' is by using vile epithets against the country and launching invectives against it? I guess your invectives would automatically translate into those standards you talked about, through telepathic means. You remind me of those foreign journalists who come to Nigeria to record programmes, and the only pictures they capture are the ones of the slums in our cities, and the homeless in the shanties.

As a youngster, I was shocked during one of my very early visits to the UK in the late eighties, to see homeless people lying in subway stations, parks and on the streets, covered by cardboard and tattered filthy clothing. From their TV shows aired in Nigeria, you would hardly see this section of their society being reported in the media. You hardly see the graffiti covered walls downtown, and the seedy side of their ghettos.

Mobs launching attacks, is something that happens in several countries. I do not support it, but people who engage in 'jungle justice' are being arrested regularly. I believe I have spoken about power generation, but since you do not live in Nigeria you cannot physically verify what is on ground, or what has been done in recent times, which is why you choose to live in denial about the on-going improvements in various sectors. In many parts of the US, gun control is a hot topic due to the violence there. You are liable to get shot, just for no reason. But in your view, those places are not a cesspool.

As for corruption, PMB has a handle on that one... as it is no longer business as usual. Why is Diezani unable to come back home? And why is James Ibori still in prison abroad? Slowly but surely, the evil doers would be brought to justice. EFCC and the ICPC have woken up and are carrying out their duties. So is the CCT. Who would have thought that a sitting Senate President could be docked for lying about his assets?

In the UK, a number of politicians have been exposed over their corrupt activities in recent years. Same thing has happened in the US. Are their countries filled with corruption too?

Finally, healthcare. You have a choice of going to a public hospital, or a private one. The public hospitals are notorious for their poor services. That is why a lot of people prefer private hospitals. You can buy as many different healthcare plans as you wish, if you decide to use a private hospital. For as little as =N=15,000 annually, (less than 80 US dollars) you can get a good healthcare plan to cover you as an individual, if you need treatment in a private hospital. There are almost 160 health maintenance organisations (HMO) offering this service.

It is not all doom and gloom back home. The country is still a work-in-progress. But you are too myopic to see that. You find it easier to hate Nigeria. Hate poisons the soul. Some folks find it easy to recycle vile language. Others roll up their sleeves to make life better for others, through their actions and words.

One of my friends puts together a medical mission with doctors, nurses and other personnel including drugs to come to Nigeria twice a year in order to offer free medical services to indigent folks. He is a part of the solution. If we can get several others, willing to pitch in and make things better in this country, many areas would be better off. We have had enough armchair critics like you who talk too much, and do too little to improve the situation on our shores.

Missy89:
How can she be using you for money when you are sleeping on the street and cant even afford a house for yourself?

Help me ask him! Most likely the Abuja girl was feeding him and housing his sorry broke as.ss!

abatically:
U can't talk like that. When someone advertise something and say its got clean interior and exterior, with no scratches, then it should at least be close to what was advertised regardless of how much u bought it. If I advertise something, for example a Nigerian used iPhone 6 for 50k and I tell u its working perfectly. U call me and state ur interest and ask me to tell u what's wrong with the phone and I tell u absolutely nothing. U pay for the phone and on getting it u found out the screentouch is bad, the Sim tray is missing and the phone no dey even see network. Would u be happy? Or would u say u weren't expecting too much from an iPhone 6 bought for 50k.

Thank you, jare. I no know say you sef see am!

Bollinger:
Life is all about experiences. What you've done. where you've been. who you know. In your case it's limited, so, Nigeria is fine as it is or getting better or was better in the 70's as you put it. You don't know any better. Google is not always your friend. For us who are well versed, well traveled and actually know what the standard is, there is nothing to defend in Nigeria. If there is or was, we would. Don't let patriotism and optimism cloud reality. "nuff said.

I said you were myopic earlier, and you keep proving me right. So anyone who does not agree with your warped description of Nigeria, is not "well versed, well traveled and actually know what the standard is..." to use your own words. Wow! Hilarious!

Guy, you do not know where I have been, or what I have done. You do NOT know me well enough, neither do you have any insight into my experiences, for you to claim I do not know any better. So please keep your negativity to yourself.

You may see your own country as a 'cesspool', to use your own words. That is your own headache. The rest of us, while acknowledging the fact that Nigeria has its own flaws, also know that not every other country is a paradise on earth, so Nigeria should not be classified as a cesspool. Patriotism and optimism do NOT blind us to reality. Rather, it makes us strive to make the best of the current situation, and work even harder at making things better.

Like I said before, you probably get a thrill from launching vile epithets against Nigeria. I guess that is how you get your kicks. Here, have the floor once again.

Who ordered the demolition?? And why??

Bollinger:
You went to school and learnt some sort of history. I hope. There has been one coup or another from 1966 to 1998 and you say the country was awesome. Ok.

Yeah, I went to school.... better schools than the ones you went to, I hope. Now where in my posts did the word 'awesome', ever come up? Please point it out, in chapter and verse. You have now started clutching at another straw ...."military coups!" This is what those brainwashed foreigners do, when they want to go on a hypothetical journey to launch invectives against Naija!

Now, I realise you are a total stranger to Nigeria, yet you keep running your mouth with all kinds of negativity as if you have visited every nook and cranny of the country. What a pity!

lygn19:
am not a tribalist I used to be more of the we against them person dat always made me engage in the yorubas vs igbo tribal wars, but as time went on I discovered it wasnt as it seemed dat the hate wasnt der between the two of us, but when I encountered this edo people I knew d true definition if hate, I am only reciprocating there kind gesture, look at names like; excusemyfrench, Spanishkid,thiagoneves,edcure,enahi,atbu1985, sandraokosun,aim5 and the rest I keep a diary of all of this cursed people on my head, go tru there profiles and u wud gimme a thumbs up to what am doing.

Wait o! What makes you think I would give you a thumbs up for what you are doing? Why should I give you a thumbs up for cursing someone else's tribe? Na wa, oh!

iboboyswag:
In this case, what is the normal thing to do.... Is it not to return it instead of demanding for 50k? And no where in the op's original post did he say the option of returning the defective product was explored.

Na 50k come become bone of contention and people here are saying he should have just paid. Na blackmail?

Well Chucky234 the or part in every blackmail has just been carried out.... Sorry.

There is no blackmail anywhere, from what I read. The OP claims to have spent more money fixing the additional faults that the seller failed to disclose to him on the car. But he is willing to split the additional expenses with Chucky234 and agree to a refund of 50k, out of the total money he is spending repairing the car, in order not to drag the issue. I guess it is a way of cutting his losses on this transaction. However, I stand to be corrected. See what Oseri the OP said:

oseri:
When the driver told me the car has mega problem, I told him to bring the car to you. The driver complained of distance, drivability and that he called u. I also called you but u didn't pick. The driver offered to take the car for scan which I paid for. Since it was told just maf sensor, I felt it was a mere thing. Then he came up with door windows, atf, engine oil, spark plug. By then it was already too late.
I have told him to bring my 590k and come for the car. He refused. I pleaded with him to give me 50k to facilitate the repair he refused. So if u were in my shoe, what will you do?
Has chucks ever called me since I paid him? No
Has he ever picked my call? No
He complains about dying and yet he post car on nairaland for sale

So why has Chucky234 not accepted this offer knowing fully well that he hid the additional defects from the buyer? Why was he NOT upfront about the other problems on the car? Also, Chucky234 said he would ask his lawyer to collect the car back from the OP, and he would refund 570k. So why has he NOT done so?? Look at what Chucky234 himself wrote in response to another Nairalander's question:

chucky234:
The last time we talked I made it clear that I wasn't going to send any money to you, other than to send my lawyer down to pick the car in person, you said you don't want my lawyer to get involved.
I personally told you that I was returning your 570k but you kept insisting on me sending you 50k,now you think you can bring me down.
You're a big joke,the battle line has been drawn and the people ranting here will hear the outcome when I'm done with you.
I have your threats (both in munched form and tape) with my lawyers, for calling me a fraudster I'll teach you a lesson you will never forget in your entire miserable life.

lygn19:
go and tell that to ur brothers who are opening threads every single second about igbo land. I am even merciful very soon I might join them, d child who says d mother wont sleep wont sleep too.

Oga, am not even Edo. Can you see how lazy your mind has become? Aren't there over 150 other tribes in Nigeria? So everyone who does not share your point of view is Edo? Chai!

If you have a problem with an individual, why not take it up with him directly? Why must you insult his entire state or his whole tribe? Even within the same ethnic group, not everyone holds the same views on a particular issue. There are those who would like you, and those who would not, no matter what you say.

Bollinger:
yup....hear that eveyone. i'm the reason nigeria has no progressed since independence.

And you were not even born during independence, so how would you know??

BoboYekini:
Okay, so poor customer service. Is this grounds enough for you screaming scammer? You have to understand that someone's business is on the line here and not just some entertainment hub for you.

It goes beyond poor customer service, to misrepresentation of facts, deception and defective quality in the ordered product!

lygn19:
edo state would remain cursed and its people would comtinue being deported from Italy until Bini Kingdom is Italicized... cursed people.

Don't worry, the Edo people will soon come and give you a befitting answer. Just remember that anyone uttering curses against another for no just cause, will end up bearing the curses upon himself. And it is quite likely that this will be your own portion....

Bollinger:
Anyone strange to Nigeria after seeing this post would be like "hmmmm, this country is really getting better" until they land at the airport. See how he keeps using words like "getting better" and "improving" so flippantly? Meanwhile what is "better" is all based on his perceptions and experiences in life. He doesn't know his "better" is crap. Lol.. . .

Yeah, it is 'crap' to you because of the following reasons:

1). You have a totally myopic, warped negative view of Nigeria;

2). You had a deprived childhood in Nigeria, and so you had to escape from the shores of the country.

3). You are unable to earn a decent living in Nigeria despite all the issues here, which is why you vilify all those who do so and you dislike it when they do not share your warped sentiments.

4). You are gullible enough to swallow all the negativity you hear about your own country, instead of conducting your own research and coming to an objective conclusion. I guess that is why you believe that fuel scarcity in Osogbo, equals fuel scarcity in the whole of Nigeria.

Continue to entertain us with your clueless remarks!

Bollinger:
This is why i like you. So much optimism. You are a rare gem.

https://www.nairaland.com/2656252/fuel-scarcity-osun-state-photo

Like i said. i don't make this shiit up. You all do.

There are 36 states in Nigeria. Osun state is only one of them? What is happening in the remaining states?? Are they all suffering from fuel scarcity too? Or didn't your crystal ball on NL show you the true situation?

And do you even know what led to the fuel scarcity in that part of Osogbo town? Kindly do your research. It was not caused by a lack of fuel within the country. It was attributed to "a subtle protest by petroleum marketers, who were anticipating a downward review of the pump price of fuel." No one interviewed the marketers to find out if that was the truth. So stop clutching at straws, abeg.

You mentioned inadequate security in your earlier post. Yes, there are a lot improvements that can be done in this area. But it has not prevented millions of people earning a decent living from doing so, in our country. Even America with all its high-tech approach to security issues still battles with crime on a daily basis, and it still suffers serious security lapses. Probably with the exception of Saudi Arabia (and I stand to be corrected), I do not know of any other country where security is 100% adequate.

Power has improved in many areas. The sector has been deregulated, and new independent power plants (IPP) are springing up. The expectation is that power supply would have doubled in the next few years. With the exception of South Africa and Egypt, there are very few African countries that have 24x7 power all through the year.

Mortgage schemes are now available but then it takes discipline and a steady source of income to acquire one. With or without a mortgage, several people are still building homes on a daily basis, subject to their earnings and access to land. Our great grand-parents and grand-parents despite their limited education and lack of access to mortgages, still managed to build their own homes in the 60s and 70s. Some even built more than one. So why should their descendants be limited by the lack of a mortgage scheme, if they can cut their coat according to their cloth?

The educational system still has its flaws. But with more private schools and private universities already in existence and a whole lot more still coming up, standards are also rising. A lot of Nigerian graduates go abroad and still excel at the Masters' level and in other fields. I truly wonder why. If the educational system down here upon which their foundation was built was so appalling, shouldn't they be flunking in droves??

I guess, nothing anybody says would make any difference here. You are so determined to view Nigeria through jaundiced, myopic lenses and hate-filled vision, which is why you take great delight in launching vile epithets and invectives on the country.

Oya, have the floor ... and continue doing what you do best!

Bollinger:
Lol.. . . . .Nigeria is really awesome. i can see that all roads are looking good now. Quality healthcare also exist now. Corruption is down and almost non existent. Security is even better now. The cops show up 10 minutes after you call them and the criminals run away as soon as they see them. People also dont build their homes anymore as if they are prison. I also see that power generation is better; everyone has 24 hrs a day power supply. Even the gas situation is wonderful no more long queues at the pumps. Wow, the educational system has been overhauled and there actually quality facilities for a conducive learning experience in Nigeria. You know what? forgive me. I now see why you are optimistic. My bad.

Yeah... the problems are still there, but many folks are still earning a decent living in this country. And thanks for mentioning the gas situation...there are no more long fuel queues in this country. It ended a while ago. Oh, I forgot.... you lost touch with Nigeria years ago. So how would you know?