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ThiefOfHearts:
Get a summer job, Donz.

How can he get a summer job, when all he thrives on, is taking pot-shots at Laudate.

Abeg, don't spoil his fun o!

ThiefOfHearts:
Notice how the foolish OP hasnt been back since. Ironic isnt it?

It doesnt even matter because Iman/4Play had already exposed their true intentions from the beginning. 
e mi ko ni won ton je

Hehehehe. . . .like I told someone else earlier, it is time to siddon look. Donzman the nit-wit, keeps insisting "I'm telling you naming ceremonies do not exist in Igboland, " like a comical parrot.

_*edit* Meanwhile another scholar Ibewuike, Victoria Oluomachukwu of the Department of Theology, Uppsala University 2006, who wrote African women and Religious change: A study of the Western Igbo of Nigeria : with a special focus on Asaba town insists that a cultural naming ceremony exists among the Igbo, even though the actual custom may differ among different villages.

Donzman:
Infact it is as easy as ABC, if you have ATTENDED this naming ceremony, come out and say so, also do not forget to tell us how it went.

Why on earth should I tell you about how naming ceremonies are conducted in your own culture? Have you forgotten that you now speak for all Nd'Igbo on nairaland? I keep telling you to get off your butt and do some research. You keep expecting people to spoon-feed you with information. And that has always been your problem. No wonder you flunked all your exams in school. 

Donzman:
The challenge is still on the table, if you know how this naming ceremony takes place, post it. Put up or shut up, no more gibberish from non-entities!

@Loudmouth Laudate

Stop being stupid, I'm telling you naming ceremonies do not exist in Igboland. You're claiming it exists, it's upto you to provide me with details on how this naming ceremony takes place.

Hmmn. . . .another cuss word from Donzman, the Minister of Insults on Nairaland. Why do you keep exposing your pathetic ignorance, eh? Once you open your mouth, the next thing that flies out is an insult. It merely gives us a sneak preview into the contents of your brain, which isn't much to write home about. How sad. 

Finally, why should it be up to me to provide details of how the ceremony is conducted? I have already supplied references in my previous posts, now you want me to tell you how it is conducted. Hehehehe. . . .next thing you will be asking for someone to help you pour water in your mouth! Lazybones!! Donzman, your antics are beginning to get boring. Get a life!

Josh4ever9:
Why must u call it facial mutilation? And the way u say the Yoruba is misleading, that is saying the whole of yoruba land practice [/b]tribal marking
Just as some people get annoyed when TOH and others say the igbo have naming ceremonies, some people get annoyed when freewilly and others say the yoruba practice facial mutilation, [b]that is why this thread is never going to stop, until everybody stops ascribing something a subgroup of people do to the whole group,

Josh4ever9, those who wish to learn about facial marks or tribal marks, can find more than enough material in the preceding pages of this thread. Those who are now on this page, claiming to be seeking for info. are nothing but whiners, with an ethnic-bashing motive.

Abeg, siddon look. Enjoy the drama that the tribalistic cartel have unleashed on this thread. Their responses are actually beginning to get hilarious!! Nothing beats the comic relief in their comments!! Hahahaha. . . .

Donzman:
@Laudate

I was calling you a pathological liar for fun but now you're one INDEED. Nobody on these threads ever denied that "naming" didn't exist in Igboland, we said there were no naming CEREMONIES. Geez, if we didn't name our kids, I suppose they came out of the womb with custom made name tags from God, you people are comical!

Donzman:
@Loudmouthed Laudate

It shows how little you know your cousins to think they were only named on their christening day. I was christended and so did other 30+ kids in my family that I know of (Thank God), we had names before the christening day!

PLEASE IF YOU KNOW THIS NAMING CEREMONY EXISTS, PLEASE DO TELL US HOW IT TAKES PLACE! I do not think this is very hard for an event that exists, traditional marriages, new yam festivals, I can easily tell you what it involves.

TerraCotta,Laudate, Thiefofhearts, you all know of this Igbo naming ceremony, please tell us how it unfolds and the key players involved.

Oh dear. . . . .I haven't laughed this much in ages! You really must learn how to stop throwing tantrums, Donzman. Grow up! When I said you flunked your English exams a while back, you kept mute. Now I see the reason why. You were obviously subjected to a lot of verbal abuse as a child, that is why it is so easy for you to hurl insults at anyone who doesn't share your point of view. Shame!! Seek therapy for your condition Donzman, and stop being angry at the world. 

Secondly, learn how to conduct research. You have been whining & scrounging for references. At the risk of repeating myself (gosh, some folks just don't get it!), go back a few pages, and read through all the links that were supplied in my previous posts & open up the books that were also cited. Can you do that on your own, or do you need help?? 

Finally, you have been told over & over, that naming a child in Yoruba land, is not synonymous with a lavish road party or a big ceremony. Usually, only families with deep pockets, or spendthrifts do that in Lagos, not all over the South-West. Yet you keep insisting that naming a child in Yoruba land, is equivalent to throwing a big ceremony and blocking traffic. Oh mi gosh!! This is just so funny!! Must things be repeated more than once, for you to get the point being made? Anyway, let me leave you to wallow in your pit of ignorance and self-delusion. You have always been good at that.

On a last note: Sign up for a few tutorials in contemporary Nigerian culture. It will help you to stop viewing other ethnic groups, through a myopic lens! 

babyosisi:
any idiot knows babies are not named at christenings.
Chi chi was already named chi chi by her parents before they printed cards and invited you.
The christening is more like dedication,the name was not declared there for the first time. duhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
so Yorubas who do naming ceremonies all live in the village?
Igbo city dwellers do christening,village dwellers do naming ceremony and Yorubas do naming ceremonies in the cities and in the village

_{sounding silly by the minute,my fair lady}

I am not upset,far be it from me
and by the way,I don't do swear words,not my style.

Ah. . . .this is what happens when people do not actaully take time out to understand a point that is being made, before they respond to it. For crying out loud, who said that the "Yorubas who do naming ceremonies all live in the village? Or that Igbo city dwellers do christening,village dwellers do naming ceremony and Yorubas do naming ceremonies in the cities and in the village?" Oh, let me guess. . . .this is just your own mind-set, conducting a flawed interpretation of events,  Good!

As for the christening, Madam, as usual you missed the point that was being made. You asked a question, and I answered it. Now you are coming back to say that 'Chi-chi' (don't know who that is!) was already named by her parents, before I was invited. Alright o! Since you know my cousins' family, more than I do, carry on with your analysis.  I thought you said they do not do naming ceremony, so how did the parents name their kid, then?

babyosisi:
laudate since you claimed you have Igbo cousins,how many of their naming ceremonies have you attended?
liar liar buns on fire

Again at the risk of repeating myself, I must ask you. . . .why does it upset you so much to know that I have Igbo cousins? This isn't the first time I have mentioned this fact on this website. Search through most of the other threads & you'll find that this issue has come up, a couple of times. And I didn't attend their 'naming' ceremonies, because they lived in Port-Harcourt, while I was resident in Lagos & their parents had a Christening ceremony for them, at which they were given English names. Go figure!

Am glad you ended your post by saying "liar liar buns on fire," because going by the many lies you have told in here, you are sure going to end up, getting burnt! 

TerraCotta:
It's interesting to note that "Isomoloruko' in Yoruba also literally translates as 'naming a child', not 'ceremony', 'feast', or 'wealthy Lagosians' street party'.

Thanks to all our contributors on the naming topic. We will have to agree to disagree. This thread is probably a better place to continue talking about that issue, for those who want to: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-11383.0.html

It would be great if we could stick to the topic at hand in here, which is facial marks.

Ah, TerraCotta may you live long! Thanks for that translation of the Yoruba word for naming a child. Its' quite accurate.

As for Donzman, I guess he was sleeping when all those articles were being cited, a while back. Initially, he (along with the rest of his cartel) claimed that there was NO such thing as a ''naming" ceremony in Alaigbo. They even went as far as to say it never existed, in the past.

Later, a reference was cited and even the traditional Igbo word for 'naming' a child was given, to dispprove their claims. Now Donzman, is making a u-turn to ask for a brief order of events (Chei!) for a ceremony, which he had earlier said did not exist! This was after he claimed that "I already explained to these first class black nosed clowns what "Igu Afa" means but they're too dumb to comprehend. Igu Afa simply means naming a kid, it does not call for an occassion or a ceremony at all, it is not the equivalent of a naming ceremony." Contrast this with his previous post where he had denied vehemently, that something like Igu-afa existed, until the word 'Igu-afa' was brought to his notice. See how confused this guy is, yet he goes around calling other people all kinds of names. God dey!

Again, in an earlier post he had equated the Yoruba naming ceremony, to a feast or a 'road' party, until his claims were refutted. When his error was pointed out, he claimed he was merely joking. Why isn't anyone laughing?

Donzman:
So that is your "many scholars have written about Igbos naming ceremonies from far and wide"? Some man writing in a dictionary that NOBODY uses mind you, is proof that Igbos have a naming ceremony. . .You're a very daft human being, I believe my grandma who had 9 kids for a pagan traditionalist husband than that man. If someone with grey hair who had 9 kids for a traditionalist pagan tells me what Igu Afa is, I do not need to consult an obsolete online dictionary, you got the point?

By the way, 1 line in an obsolete online dictionary does not make for scholarly articles from far and wide as you claim. So as it is, I'm still waiting for these scholarly articles describing naming ceremonies.

First, you used the words "Hypocritical pathological liar," now you are using the word "daft." Donzman, must you head for the sewer to pick up a few words, before you can get your points across? What a shame!

Now you are bleating all over the place, asking for references when they were already provided, several pages back. Do us a favour. Post your SSCE results here. Let us know what you scored in Eglish language, because it is obvious you must have failed some core courses, in that subject. 

Finally, you missed the point again. The real message in that post was in TerraCotta's opening statement. The reference to the dictionary was just an adjunct. But then, it was way above your head. What else can one expect from a man who expects to be spoon-fed with references, every single step of the way?

As for the last statement about "many scholars have written about Igbos naming ceremonies from far and wide"? Why are you crediting it to me, when it was made by someone else? Don't bother to explain. We all know you are a confused human being.

Donzman:
Laudate, produce the articles where this naming ceremony was described by a scholar or accept that you're a pathological liar, quite that simple!

Hahahaha. . . .this is beginning to get quite funny!

Donzman, you can't read, obviously. Shame! Oya, go back to all the previous pages in this thread, and look up all the references cited in my posts, as well as those cited by TerraCotta. Let us hope you will have enough energy to carry out this simple task, after you have wasted the little you have, insulting everyone, Mr. Pathological Liar. 

Hmmn. . . .TerraCotta's last statement was apt.

by TerraCotta
"Those who are wilfully ignorant of their own cultures can stay that way in peace-- whatever you believe about igu afa (which, by the way, is translated as 'naming' ceremony in my copy of "Igbo-English Dictionary : A Comprehensive Dictionary of the Igbo Language" by Professor Michael Echuero"

Donzman:
Where are these references that described naming ceremonies please?. . .Hypocritical pathological liar, that is what you are, nothing more, maybe something less!

Oh dear. . . . . here we go again!! 

Why is it that whenever you do not know something, or you fail to understand the issue under discussion, you resort to cheap, juvenile insults? This was the same way you hurled the word 'hypocrite' around, when you were told that anyone who speaks Yoruba quite well should be able to understand Itsekiri. Even after your error had been pointed out, you were arguing blindly. Dunce-man, look for some one else to trade words, with.

Actually the term "Hypocritical pathological liar," suits you Donzman, to a Tee. Did you take a good look at yourself in the mirror, before latching on to this word? Lemme guess, you saw the hypocrisy and the pathological lies that existed deep within your soul, so you decided to come to this thread to spread the hate??

Donzman:
@Laudate

Maybe you should give us a brief order of events in this 'Igu Afa' ceremony since scholars from far and wide have written about it, go ahead!

Enough references were cited for you, on this thread. Am tired of repeating myself. Go back & read through the list. Sit down and read each article 'word for word'. And you will find the knowledge that you seek. He that seeketh, findeth. 

Don't be lazy. Do some hard work for once, instead of expecting to be spoon-fed with info. Good luck in your search!

Dis Guy:
well, i doubt if you'll see them make a thread about it, [size=4pt]their egos are not as big[/size]

No you won't. . .because the average Yoruba man knows that the term 'Yoruba Yoruba' as used by the Igbo people to describe them, is often used in a condescending, derogatory manner. So is the term ofei mmanu. But they have enough common sense to ignore such taunts, instead of raising 'hell' like some other folks would do.

babyosisi:
lawdy lawdy,laudate
didn't you see who was being referred to?
and you have Igbo blood

abeg i

Everyone saw & heard you exchanging swear words with several other people on this thread. You seem to thrive on such things. Now you are turning round to point fingers at other people. What a pity! I will ignore the last part of your comment. There is no need to dignify your ignorance with an answer.

Dis Guy:
calling someone omo ibo is marginalisation, tribalism,and every other bad thing, calling someone Yoruba Yoruba is 'just' a joke Yoruba people take very well on the chin

Re-ea-ally??!! You don't say!

davidylan:
I spent a good few minutes trying to put a finger on why this thread was so unappealing. Reading a few responses its not hard to come to the conclusion that its because of those who have chosen to take issues here so personally they would not hesitate to resort to ad hominem attacks in other to force their oppinions down the throats of others.
You're left wondering if they have tribal marks on their cheeks or if they get paid for every igbo naming ceremonyy that takes place in their dreams.

Yeah. . . .you need to address these comments to Babyosisi. Let's hope she will read it & be able to make sense of it. She seems to have a bone to pick with every body on this issue. Pity!

omoge:
Iseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Aminnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Aseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

God bless you my sista!

babyosisi:
who dash you Igbo cousins?
in your laudatical dreams

Nobody dashed them to me, Madam know-it-all. The Almighty God in His infinite wisdom decided to bless me with them. Why does it upset you so much?? And why would you accuse me of lying in your previous post?? Are you alright?!

babyosisi:
Igbo cousins that had naming ceremonies

Um. . . .tsk, tsk. . . .you are looking for someone else to exchange words with. Um, that is so sad.

@Davidylan,

Go back & read all my previous posts on this thread & other threads. Then you'll see how I got related to my Igbo cousins. Am tired of repeating myself. _{*yawn, *}

@Babyosisi,

Oh, I understand you. . . .perfectly. You, on the other hand, have deliberately chosen to 'misunderstand' what everyone else has been saying on this thread. Free your mind.

frenchman:
As wicked as OBJ was, he never sent thugs to attack protesting workers. lets await the outcome of the election petition tribunal, then we would know how long Oyo state will be in the shackles of poverty, intimidation and sheer brigandage. The hawks may be on the prowl now, but the time is near when they would be disgraced out of Agodi.

Which election petition? For your information, Rasheed Ladoja's case has been thrown out by the Supreme Court. Peter Obi, his counterpart in Anambra, got justice. But he didn't!

denex:
Somebody talk say, we hear say, e be like say, e go be say, I sure say, them talk say.

Is this what will move Nigeria forward? It is high time people started to petition these journalists and their editors? They call this news?

What has an engineering contract even got to do with indigene or non-indigene?

Hehehehe. . . . .na wa for Naija people o!

Freewilly:
Now that davidylan proved you wrong you trying to be funny, dude you not fooling anyone Any why in God's name do you all have Igbo Cousins, makes me wonder

Oh dear. . . .here we go again!!

davidylan:
What type of naming ceremony where you expecting? Of course they don't name the babies in secrecy, when the baby is born every older family member (grandparents, uncles, aunts) or as many as the parents of the baby contact to send names give names. After a while the parents announce the names they have chosen for the baby and chikena story don finish!

No, no one needs to be present save the parents when the name of the baby is chosen. No one was present when my cousins where named and at least 14 of them are igbo! And yes they all did so in the privacy of their bedrooms.

Thanks for the confirmation. I will make sure that one of my Igbo cousins who is expecting his first baby, adheres to the 'privacy-of-their-bedroom' rule. The guy was actually planning to hire a caterer, and have an r.s.v.p (rice, soup very plenty!!) kind of gathering, within his yard. I must remind him to conform to the tradition.

Those who rejected the nominees should give more valid reasons to justify their rejection. The excuse they gave for rejecting Diezani Madueke is not valid. So what, if she is married to an Igbo man? Has she renounced her Bayelsan heritage or roots, because of that?

I think they are angry that Vice-President Jonathan did not consult other prominent Bayelsans, before nominating her for ministerial appointment. Guess everyone has their own preference.

Afterall, Andy Uba was rejected by many voters in his state, before the elections. How he managed to win, is still a mystery. Thank God for the Supreme Court, who ensured that justice was done at last.

babyosisi:
igu afa means naming.
It does not mean naming ceremony.
My parents gu m afa when i was born means they gave me a name.
anyi n'agu nwanyi afa means we are naming our baby.

Oh my goodness. . . .the irony of it all! Hehehehe. . . .haven't laughed this much in years! I guess those who name their babies usually do so in utmost secrecy, within the privacy of their bedrooms or kitchens, without anybody being present. Cool!

May God never allow a non-performing governor like Lucky Igbinedion, to ever smell Edo State Governor's House again, talk less of ruling the entire state! Can I get an Amen from somebody??

This thread still dey here! Na wa o! Just remembered the son of a Professor from Anambra, who told me a short while ago that Yoruba and Edo people, were one and the same tribe! And the chap repeated it proudly to the hearing of other people, with a derisive snort. This is someone who flaunts the fact that he has a 1st class degree from a foreign university.

I felt like asking him what part of their language, customs, vowels, ceremonies etc. were identical. Then I changed my mind. The guy had an ego the size of a grapefruit. There was no need to dignify his ignorance with an answer.

Donzman: @Laudate

If you have been true any of these naming ceremonies, please show and tell. You can easily tell that Yorubas have naming ceremonies, it is there for all to see, why is the one for Igbos something you only read about in historical tales?. . .We're not more Christian than Yorubasto dump our naming ceremony!. . .Igu Afa is not a ceremony, like I already told you, when kids are born, family members suggest names from far and wide, there is no diversion of traffic like you experience in Lagos during Yoruba naming ceremonies!

You see, when I said you failed comprehension exercises in school, I wasn't far from the truth.

You are equating a Yoruba naming ceremony solely with a lavish party! That is plain silly.

From what I have seen, a Yoruba naming ceremony is a simple, traditional affair where names are given by the family members, prayers are said by the elders and things like salt, honey, sugar cane, 'orogbo' etc. are used as symbolic items to add colour & depth to the prayers. Gifts are given to the baby, or money is dropped in a plate for the child's mother to hold in trust for the kid. It is only celebrants with deep pockets, that throw a large party to mark the event. Not all Yoruba families do that. So this your description of a Yoruba naming ceremony, solely as an event marked by "diversion of traffic ", is plain silly!!

http://www.folklife.si.edu/africa/photo2.htm

As for Igbo naming ceremonies, I do believe TerraCotta has already answered the question in his posts. If it never existed, why would eminent Igbo scholars (and foreign ones too), decide to write about it?

@everyone,
Now that the issue of tribal marks have been trashed out, can we all move on?

@ThiefofHearts,

Girl. . . .you have made your point clearly & succintly. Let those who have ears to hear. . .hear! And may those who have eyes to see, have the wisdom to discern the truth.

Everyone knows that naming ceremonies in Yoruba land, can be as large and as flamboyant, as the organisers want it to be or as small and informal, as possible. It all depends on the family involved, and the community, in which they live, as well as the size of their pockets. Not all naming ceremonies are large, noisy, road-blocking events. I often see these kind of loud parties in Lagos. In other parts of Yoruba land, especially in the rural areas, it is a small, intimate affair with only very close relatives involved. It takes place within the family compound, or in the house of the newborn's paternal grand-father, in most cases. An outsider may not know that there is anything, going on. So those trying to equate a naming ceremony, with a large flamboyant gathering have missed the point.  

@TerraCotta,

Even if the truth came & smacked some folks in the face, they wouldn't recognise it.

My friend, you have done your best trying to share as much facts and info. as you can, on this issue. Its' best to close the case.  

Those who are interested in learning more, can do their own research. Maybe all the Igbo scholars and researchers who have written about 'Igu afa' were probably hallucinating. Who knows? The same people who condemn a person for pointing to articles cited on the internet as a source of verifiable information, would readily pull off articles from the same internet, when they want to justify their own warped, myopic view. Pity! Let's hope illumination would one day dawn on them.