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@True Brit,

E be like say you be JJC for here. Why you come dey find trouble, now? Or do you want the tribalistic cartel to get on your case?? Softly, softly o!

tpia:
Is this mrs aba4life?

Hehehehe. . . . . . .what do you think??! Abeg, make una no take laughter kill person for here!  Please help me to tell her, that Philip Emegwali as well respected as he is, definitely did NOT invent the internet!!

@Davidylan,

I must say I read through a lot of your posts, and you know what? There is so much pessimism, in a lot of them. It is so easy to criticise, but much more difficult to offer workable, practical solutions. All the criticism in the world won't change anything. Talk is cheap. Put your money where your mouth is, and offer practical solutions.

Take the banking sector for example. There was a time you almost had to carry your mat along, into a banking hall in Lagos because the banks were so few, and the queues were so unbearably long. Today, what do we have? Computerised, functioning banks where transactions can be carried out in a couple of minutes, as opposed to several hours or days. It took a couple of visioners in the shape of young guys with financial muscle and sound ideas, to make a difference in the early nineties. e.g. Fola Adeola, Tony Elumelu, Marc Wabara, Atedo Peterside etc. The financial sector was deregulated, and new-generation banks were born, whose founders changed the face of banking.

The old banks had to wake up and provide faster, reliable services as the new banks were taking their customers and staff and making more profits to boot, in their bid to deliver good services.

Propose workable solutions instead of lamenting all the time, my friend. Anyone who is not a part of the solution, is merely a part of the problem!

Nice one, Richylaw. Wish others would emulate your example.

[quote author=me-zainab link=topic=8152.msg1267698#msg1267698 date=1183717673]@ laudate
Thanks. I guess you understand because you're mixed.They need to experience this feeling of belonging to two tribes.Such a sweet feeling you know now,[/quote]You are right. . . .hehehe!!   

But tell me, how were they able to handle the religious differences. Am just curious, because most Fulani people I know are Muslims and most Igbo folks are Christians. I have relatives from both religions too, and I know it takes a great deal of tolerance & understanding to avoid stepping on the wrong toes, when religion is on the front burner. But anyway, we often don't make it an issue as we see religion as a deeply personal thing. Besides, I get great food from all sides whenever the festivities get underway!

Kazaure:
Before u get fired up over a non issue, Nenadi Usman is not married to Dr.Shamsudeen Usman. It is not investigative journalism, it is inventive journalism. There is absolutely no truth to the matter. Its shocking the length to which these propagandist newspaper journalists will go to churn out reports on a daily basis. Usman is a fairly common name in the North, just because they share the same last name doesn't mean they r married. I personally know Dr. Shamsu and I reiterate he is not married to Nenadi!

My brother, God bless you for that clarification. Wish more people would actually take time out to confirm if a thing is true, instead of swallowing every rumour they hear!

MILITIA:
See the way we interact with each other here on Nairaland? You cannot even make any comment without being insulted! Even when you make a joke-na fight!  I for example will NEVER insult another here unless it is highly warranted.  If you slap me once, I may forgive you, but only for the moment because I am contemplating on what to say or do to you! Then I will wait for the best time to slap you back well well!   All the people I have had beef with have directly or indirectly attacked my person not even what I wrote.  If you address me like you will like to be addressed yourself, no problem!  But if you do otherwise,  pray that I am not PMSing oh!   Since I was an infant, no amount of prayer can hold what will come out of my mouth next! We fit regret later You might not like what I say on a topic---then just move over to the next topic or do your thing and move on! No oh! Some will want to tell you your life history and expect you to roll over and play dead! Sorry oh, we no dey do so! You will get you own too!

Um, let me stop laughing first!! Its' sad. . . .but oh, so true! As I was saying, na true word you talk, and I can understand exactly what you mean, 'because its' happened to me too, a couple of times.

MILITIA:
So my dear Laudate, as I write you this love letter, I am not adding fuel to the fire.  I am only giving credit where credit is due!  If I see southern brother or sista when do wetin sweet my belle I go praise am too.  I am not partial! Understand?  Most southerners get on my last nerve!  Ugggggggggggh!   The way the talk to you, you will think that they have the key to heaven and hell!  Thank God I am a southerner too, so I can dish it out with equal measure!   We need to learn to respect each other and stop the blame game!

WORD!!! 

God bless Yar'adua for making our traditional outfits like agbada, 'babariga' etc. the norm for official engagements, jare. At least, more of our tailors will make money. More ankara, guinea brocade, akwete, akwa ocha etc. will be sold. And maybe some of our textile companies will wake up from their slumber.

More grease to your 'fashionable' elbows, UMYA!

ThiefOfHearts:
lol laudate, you try sha

Hehehe. . . . ;

Dis Guy:
so who/what is oily soup

Go and do some research!

Denex, that was a wake up call. It was harsh, even if some of it needed to be said. You could have chosen a kindler, gentler method though!

champredd:
I don't know people are still going on about this tribal mark issue, most of the top leadership of this country have a form of it.

Champredd, no make me vex o!    You be my friend, but that your question is going to take us back several pages down the line.

We have just come full circle from point number one, where someone tried to make out that tribal marks was a peculiar practice found in Yoruba land, to where it was noted by others that tribal marks were not peculiar to just Yoruba people, but was common in most ethnic groups. From there, the discussion expanded to a comparison of tribal marks and tattoos, before it went on to become a heated debate of how the same set of people who were trying to generalize the issue on the tribal mark thingy, rejected any attempt to generalize on the osu thingy in another thread. From the tribal mark issue, we had folks who described it as mutilation, and actually came to say such practices didn’t exist in their tribe, and when it was pointed out that it actually did (backed by references), the whole thing then became a ping-pong debate of denial.

Shey, you can still follow the trend? Then, it took on a further dimension, when the naming ceremony angle was added into it, as those denying that facial marks existed in their ethnic group, were reminded of how they had also denied that naming ceremonies existed in their ethnic group in another thread, only to be confronted by facts and records, that it did. Then everyone left the issue of facial marks and another debate on naming ceremonies & its’ existence, began. Arguments were put forward, references were cited and some insults were exchanged in the process. Now, we have finally drawn the curtains on that issue (I think!) and we are trying to move back to the topic of facial marks. 

Now all of a sudden, you are popping up to take us back to where we started.

Abeg, take time o!. 

Wonderful news!! I pray he excels & succeeds beyond everyone's wildest dreams!

ababoy:
i can't believe someone could be saying that kind of shit in this 21st century.the hausa,the yoruba and the igbo are brothers in the colony.though in tribe and tongue we may differ,but in the essence of life we are the same

Do you think everyone is enlightened enough to see things in this light?

Pray for Nigeria o! Where is Donzman? The kind of stuff A.B.A4LIFE is parroting, is what Donzman calls 'cultural familiarity'!! Hehehe. . . .!

champredd:
That's your problem, just remember that during the Biafran war many young Nigerian men fighting on the Federal side died fighting for the soul of the Nation.

I don't think the igbos should go on about how it affects them not considering the pain on other side of the story.

Stop being selfish and put your country above ethnic loyalty.

Haba! Do you want to start World War II for here?? Avoid this topic, abeg!

ThiefOfHearts:
Of course. How did you figure? 

Elementary, my dear Watson!!    They are usually so quick on the draw!!

By the way, tell TerraCotta to collect his winnings in cash!!

Make una leave matter for Matthias! Dem go settle am!

What I don't understand is the title of this thread. Where is the Northern tribalism in the story?

Vigasimple, May your tribe increase! Well said, bro'!! Here, have a drink on me! Wish there were more sensible voices like your own on Nairaland!!

Na which kind yeye list be dis one? If dem no put my favourite former minister for dat list, I go vex o! Where is Chukwuemeka Chikelu's name, ehn?? Na who draw up dis list, sef?

MILITIA:
I beg make una see better write up! See Oyinbo flowing fluently! Constructive and to the point! Not emotional garbage! Kazuare, nice job!


I say na una really get Nigeria! You are right! Avoiding these heated debates is a very necessary goal! Please keep up the good work! I am sick and tired of these people here with serious self denial and emotional politics---highly contagious! Love your level of reasoning! Please teach most parts of Nigeria please! It is nice to read from more level-headed folks around here without personal attacks! Please can you guys feature more on this forum so people like us can see things from other perspectives. This place is getting so boring with personal attacks! I say I sorry for Nigeria!

Militia! Militia!! Militia!!! Na how many times I call you?? Please stop adding fuel to the fire. Just siddon jeje on the sidelines & watch the drama unfold. Me, I don collect table & chair, put small suya for my front, with correct fanta to wash am down. Small time now, I go dey begin charge gate fee from everybody wey wan watch title fight!

Bankole01:
Ekene Dili Chukwu was realy a pioneer transporter and one of the people who built Nigeria.
He started the same time when my father built Charity Transport Service. They were great friends.
The transporters of those days built Nigeria.
Charity Transport Service
Oshinowo Transport
Benson Transport
Ekene Dili Chukwu
they did all the work carving roads and building bridges before the soldier boys and their cronies came to wreck Nigeria.
May the souls of those great pioneers rest in perfect peace.
Those were men who made money the right way, They worked for it.

Chei!! How you take remember all those old transport companies? Na wa for you o! How old you be sef? Oya, pssst! Talk quick before other people enter here!

ThiefOfHearts:
Like I said before, nah competition for them. Everything is a competition in their eyes. Even facial markings (Ours is not as thick as yours tee hee!). I no get their time jare

Happy 4th!

Happy 4th of July, ThiefofHearts! Gee. . . . .I see a lot happened in my absence in the past few days! By the way, do you have Ekiti blood in you by any chance?

@ThiefofHearts, Tonim & TerraCotta,

www.diva-portal.org/diva/getDocument?urn_nbn_se_uu_diva-6200-2__fulltext.pdf -

Please read this article, and pay particular attention to pages 100- 104.

Oh, here is another one as well.

www.kwenu.com/publications/maduabum/igbo_names.htm - 22k

Pay particular attention to the 2nd paragraph, and tell me what you think.

Donzman:
By the way Laudate, do not think I did not visit the links you provided, obviously the writer of that article lacks credibility. He states on page 100 that naming ceremonies are seen as the most important ceremonies in a child's family in Igboland, how important is this ceremony if most Igbos on this thread have told you they haven't attended one?

Ask the author of the article.

Donzman:
By the way Laudate, do not think I did not visit the links you provided, obviously the writer of that article lacks credibility. He states on page 100 that naming ceremonies are seen as the most important ceremonies in a child's family in Igboland, how important is this ceremony if most Igbos on this thread have told you they haven't attended one?

Even at that, the author constantly makes it clear he's talking about Asaba people and how the method of naming varies widely across Igboland. The naming ceremony could be due to outside cultural influence on Asaba people, it does not reflect the Igbo society as a whole. Just like Onitsha, Asabas and some other communities have long running monarchs does not mean Igbo society as a whole depend on monarchy.

Asaba is not an ideal picture of Igbo cultural society!

That's what Lakal and Laudate were trying to tell us in another thread!

I have been spoon-feeding you for too long, Donzman. Remove the blinkers from your eyes. And for once in your pathetic little life, tell the truth as it is. Not as your warped perspective, perceives it to be. Since you claim to have visited the links, please summarise the contents of each book & article for us, on this thread. You needed someone to guide you towards the truth. Am glad to have been of service.

First you claimed that I said Asaba people were not Igbo, now you are claiming that Asaba is not an ideal picture of Igbo cultural society. Chei!! How confused can a person be? Next thing, you will probably try and tell everyone that Asaba was excised from Alaigbo centuries ago. Kai! May God help us.

You asked for info. it was supplied. Then, you turn round to claim that the naming ceremony, was due to external influence. Now, you are trying to discredit the writer. Am glad everyone can read & make up their minds on the subject. So make up your mind, too. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing," Donzman. A philosopher said that many years ago. You would do well to heed his advice.

Donzman:
@Laudate

Funny enough my grandma is from Asaba and is definitely older and more experienced than that man, she tells me they do not have naming ceremonies, people name their kids when and how they wish. Between my grey-haired ma and that man, I believe her!

By the way, aren't you one of those claiming Asabas weren't Igbos, shows how hypocritical people are on Nairaland.

Gee. . . . . I haven't had this much fun in years!   Please kindly reproduce the said post where I stated in black & white, that Asaba people were not Igbo. Period. Don't come here to fling unsubstantiated allegations around, Dunce-man!!