₦airaland Forum

izoneb:
Well some in-laws hate u even before meeting you.Especially mothers-in law.More so if their son is well to do.They want him to marry their choice.So not all women who are not too good with their in-laws are bad.You just have to be as nice as you can,be yourself and leave them to God.

Some mothers-in-law hate their daughters-in-law, simply because their son didn't marry someone else they chose for him, or because they feel their control over the chap will be broken, now that he has a wife.

Mohadana,

Why are you so interested in Issele-uku? 

I don't know why you guys are busy castigating the Ibadan people, like this.

Did they tell you that they do not know how to put out the fire burning on their roof?

When OBJ started his macabre method of governance, by allowing Anambra to become ungovernable through the antics of Chris Uba his protegee, the Igbo said OBJ hated them.

When OBJ spread his tentacles to Plateau by capsizing Dariye's boat, the Middle-Belt claimed OBJ despised them.

When OBJ looked the other way as Adedibu chased out Rasheed Ladoja, and inflicted his hatchet man Alao Akala on the people of Ibadan, ah. . . . .everyone said OBJ had gone out of control.

Now that OBJ is out of the picture, there is no one left to blame.

Until Ibadan people decide to send Adedibu packing, either by hook or by crook, there is no medication any outsider can apply to their wounded psyche, that will cure the havoc that OBJ & his tag team (i.e. Adedibu & Alao Akala), have inflicted on the people of Oyo State in the past couple of years. Let them take a leaf from the Ekiti people who went after Fayose & did not give up, until they had sent him packing from Ado-Ekiti Governor's Lodge.

Donzman:
@Laudate

That article clearly shows that Igbos have no naming ceremony! They thank God, people visit the child and bring their names with them (this is what the author was referring to Laudate as many ceremonies or whatever), and the parents name the kid as they want. When kids are born, many people visit with gifts and with the gifts come their own name for the kid, there is no naming ceremony as established by that author.

Alright, now I know what your problem is. You failed comprehension in school. Let me repeat my earlier advice. Go back & read that entire article again. Slowly. And if you find it so difficult to understand the points that were being made, I would recommend that you use a dictionary to translate any difficult words. May I suggest that you also read the works of the other authors that were also cited earlier? Maybe that would enlighten you.

Oh, here is another article on the subject:

The Social Significance of Names among the Ibo of Nigeria by H. A. Wieschhoff
American Anthropologist, New Series, Vol. 43, No. 2, Part 1 (Apr. - Jun., 1941), pp. 212-222

In it, the author states:
[Quote]
A naming ceremony, igu afa (lit. to give a name), takes place seven weeks (oge) of four days each, after the child has been born. During the intervening twenty-eight days, the infant remains unnamed and is referred to as omo ofu (new child). The child is spoken of as nwa okele, if it is male or if a female as[i] ite manya[/i] (lit. pot of palm wine). On the day the name is to be given, which is also the day the mother visits the market for the first time after her delivery, the relatives of both the father and the mother assemble in the house where the baby has been born. The families of the father and mother independently propose a name for the child so that each individual receives two names, although only one of them is retained in later life." [/quote]

TerraCotta:
Laudate--I was agreeing with you. I didn't see what you would supposedly gain from denying your ethnic background. If you are a Yoruba person, I'm pretty sure you would have just said so. So hopefully, our resident soothsayer will be able to prove her claims.

Hehehehe. . . .I see what you mean.

Meanwhile, forget our resident soothsayer, babyosisi. She will just change the topic, throw in a few insults while she is at it, and resolutely refuse to supply any further answers, when asked. It's her trademark. She learnt it from her squad - the tribalistic cartel.

Anyway, have a fun-filled day!

Mohdana,

What the Senate did was totally unfair. They should be ashamed of themselves. Na wetin? What do they mean by the Senate could not comment on any matter in which a judicial decision was pending; in such a way that might affect the final out come of the matter? That is just a way of playing the ostrich, if you ask me.

TerraCotta:
Laudate--There were a couple of other references I had to pass on to you as well, but this discussion is going to degenerate into nothing but rants about naming ceremonies if people have their way. I applaud your efforts sha. Sadly, no amount of information you provide can change a resolutely closed mind. Igbo naming ceremonies haven't happened in certain people's backyards, so therefore they cannot and can "NEVER BE" true

I understand what you mean. Some folks need to free their minds. And they need to be open enough to accept this fact, that some things exist, which they just might not be familiar with, but which may be known to others.

TerraCotta:
If you had simply called facial marks "primitive" etc. you could have easily claimed to be born and raised in Umuahia or Asaba . As it is, you've been forced to join the 'opposition'. Why you would supposedly deny your ethnic background is beyond me, but let's hope the all-knowing soothsayers of Nairaland will back up their claims somehow, as you clearly did on the naming ceremonies question.

Um. . . . .I don't quite get you. Why on earth would I deny my ethnic background?? I don't think I have ever spoken about it. I grew up in the South-West, studied the language, can read & write it because it was made a compulsory part of my high school curriculum, etc.

So does that make me a Yoruba person?

Segun Adeniyi shouldn't follow the multitude to defend evil o!

I hope he will let God guide him.

babyosisi:
Ms laudate,you really do have the strength and energy to dig through threads,quoting and unquoting to suit your noble purposes.
nairaland owes you a fat reward,some tribal markings perhaps

a while ago you were pulling out your weave crying insult,nacissistic ko,nacissistic ni
couldn't be bothered

You claim you[i] couldn't be bothered,[/i] yet you keep popping up like a jack-in-the-box with more juvenile responses, to a simple query. Substantiate your claims, biko! That's all. As for crying, nah. . . .I leave that to you. You seem to be quite good at it. Now for the last time, provide your proof, Madam know-it-all. And stop pulling out your weave!

babyosisi:
not all,couldn't be bothered,one can make any claims on the world wide web.
Don't know you,not dying to.


who cares?
From your responses I know you are Yoruba.
why you attempt to hide that fact is entirely your business.

already said so myself once,your on and on is your own echoing.

got the cooking part right,I've been known to make killer peppersoup aka ngwongwo,an Igbo cultural food ,thanks for recognising

babyosisi:
and you want to further derail it by sinking it lowerdown to a topic about you?
I think not!

create a laudate thread and I'll answer you if I care and still get a wireless connection

Ah. . . . .don't worry, everyone will still be here waiting for you to substantiate your claims. In one breath you claim Laudate is Yoruba, as if you had evidence that corroborates your statement. In the next breath you claim that you do not know me, and you are not dying to. (Thank God for that, at least!). Now you make another u-turn to state that, from my responses, you know am Yoruba. How confused can a person be?

How would you feel if I said, from your own responses I know you speak English, so therefore, you must be an Englishwoman from London.   How does that sound? Wouldn't you think it is so ridiculous? Well, that is exactly what I think of your attempts to classify me as a Yoruba person. I have nothing, but the greatest respect for that ethnic group, but I know who I am, and I have no wish to change my identity. People like you are welcome to keep trying. Maybe, one day you will succeed in your futile quest.

Do you remember when you said in the 'Osu' thread:

babyosisi: Why is this topic of special interest to you that everyone else must somehow be misguided in their opinions except you?
I don't like dishonest people.
When someone understands somethings and pretends not to just to score a cheap point,that's dishonesty.m

Well, I think that statement above applies to you, perfectly. Your misguided opinions have been aired. And we can now see how dishonest you are, because you understand this whole issue perfectly and you pretend not to, in order to just score a cheap point.

babyosisi:
and you want to further derail it by sinking it lowerdown to a topic about you?
I think not!

create a laudate thread and I'll answer you if I care and still get a wireless connection

Why on earth should I create a 'Laudate thread? Do you think I suffer from the same narcissistic impulses that drive you? You made a statement about me, i asked you for proof. Instead of supplying it, you turn round to say am sinking the thread lower, by making it about me. Shuo!   Na wa o!

babyosisi:
a ha!
I thought you were gone,mgbo laudate.
you have Igbo relatives,you must know what the term "mgbo" means
you can't pull yourself away,lol.
Thanks for your advice,don't need it though

Don't change the topic. You raised the issue of Laudate being yoruba. Oya, substantiate it with proof, now. Don't be dishonest by making false claims.

babyosisi:
did you say insulting,Ms laudate?
no need for being all touchy touchy
are you insulted that I call you a woman which we know you are
or that I doubt the all Nigerian image you tout though I see clearly where you belong?
I read many of your long winded,tired arguments with donzman and several others
I have never been impressed and frankly don't need to be.
You fired the oven,you better be ready to cook!

Madam you are free to believe or doubt, whatever you like. Your convictions have nothing to do with me. The all-Nigeria image which you refer to, obviously bothers you? Why? We can't all come from the same village. Free your mind.

This was the same way you claimed that Laudate was Yoruba, much earlier. Please since you have so much information about my state of origin in Yorubaland, or my ethnic affiliation, kindly post it here. Include the name of my hometown, while you are at it o! And also add the local government area, the dialect spoken in the town etc. I asked your friend Nine2Five to do the same thing in an earlier thread, he couldn't. I hope you will be able to substantiate your own claims this time, with some proof.  

You also claim not be impressed with my long-winded arguments with other people. Madam, I don't recall trying to impress you with anything, so why are you going on and on, about it? I weak o!

As for cooking, am sure it is an area in which you also excel. I didn't bring the oven or the kitchen into this conversation, but since it is a place that trips you, abeg head in that direction. Don't stop. Don't pass GO, like they say in Scrabble.

@Babyosisi,

Listen to yourself. And then try and make sense of what has been written, especially those written in your own words, Madam.

Then go back to my previous posts on this thread and read each one of them.

Slow-w-ww-wly. Try not to rush.

Maybe then, you will get some understanding of everything that has been discussed.

If you still can't make head or tail of it, then there is nothing I can do to help you. Sorry!

Isn't Forshow the same person as nigeria1?

Mmmmn. . . . .thank God, Akunyili is Igbo!

babyosisi:
It is obvious to everyone on these threads where you come from miss laudate and what your gender is,you are not fooling anyone.
Never denied anything that is true,that is all in your warped imagination.
I actually called my mother,an Igbo woman in her sixties,neither she nor her siblings were named in a naming ceremony,she's never attended one and none of my siblings were named in one.

Keep digging up some culture perhaps carried out by some obscure village (which I doubt) where you claim your Igbo relatives are from.
Somehow you have relatives from all cultures,how funny.


If there is any Igbo person here who was named in a naming ceremony let them say so,or else you are talking nonsense.
Any body can write a book and claim whatever.

didn't someone attmpt to prov 9/11 was a conspiracy and that the holocaust was a hoax?

There is no need to get insulting, Madam. If you doubt the athenticity of the sources cited here, please do your own research to dispel them. Period.

As an individual, I cannot claim to be an authority on everything that happens in my own culture. Neither can I claim to know every custom practised, within my own ethnic group. If along the way, I run into something new, I thank the person who brings it to my attention and then, I either adopt or discard it, depending on how relevant it is to my lifestyle and my beliefs.

And yes, i have relatives from all the major ethnic groups in Nigeria, including some minority ones, too. What is wrong with that? If you have read my postings on other threads, I made it clear that am a product of an inter-ethnic marriage. Just like one of my grand-parents. By virtue of that, I have close ties with all parts of Nigeria. Why do you find that hard to understand? I can't hate any ethnic group, that is why I tend to have zero tolerance, for those who castigate one group as being responsible for their woes.

Your attempt to use the holocaust and 9/11 to support your refuttal, is pathetic. One word of advice. Save the insults for those who take delight in wallowing in such rude muck, as I can see it is something in which, you excel.

Am out of this thread.

TerraCotta:
Laudate--great minds think alike! LOL--didn't see your replies until I posted mine. I think I posted that link about the Uzochukwu book a while ago in another thread. None of what you said will convince certain fellow Nairalanders, but be assured that you're doing other Nigerians a great service by highlighting aspects of our culture.

Hehehe. . . .thank you jare, my brother. It is sad that this website does not support PM. There are several other references, but I think I'll stop here now.

I have been trying to upload relevant sections of Sabine Jell-Bahlsen's work on Names and naming: Instances from the ORU-IGBO By  Journal of Dialectical Anthropology, Volume 13, Number 2 / June, 1988. But am running into some technical hitches. Maybe I'll just type out relevant sections and paste it here, when I have time.

Work beckons, now. Gotta run.

babyosisi:
Laudate,Igbos do not have naming ceremonies,we never had it .
The thing is that most of you Yorubas automatically think when one says differently of something that's your culture,that person is saying bad of the culture.There is nothing wrong with having naming ceremonies,nothing wrong with street wide owa nbes,nothing wrong with any of these activities at all.

Have never been to a naming ceremony but will gladly attend one when TOH and Terracotta invite me

Maybe you need to talk to more Igbo people from Illah, Uzuakoli, Egbema to Ezza in Ebonyi state to get a more comprehensive picture. And for the last time, am not from the South-west, so why do you keep saying "you Yorubas?" Is it compulsory that everyone who knows a bit about a particular culture, must be a member of that culture or ethnic group?

If you say the Igbo do not have naming ceremonies, fine, that is your view. Some of my Igbo relatives & friends claim that they do, in their own part of Alaigbo. Otherwise, how else does a child get its' name?

Maybe some of these Igbo people are wrong then, and you are the only wise one. Who knows? Books, articles and journals have been written about child naming ceremony among the Igbo, yet you would like us to believe it never existed. Fine. That is your call.

Maybe people like Michael C. Mbabuike a Professor of Anthropology, who wrote The cosmology of Igbo anthroponyms: Life continuum and liturgy of culture, plucked the information about child naming ceremony among the Igbo, from thin air. Who knows?

Maybe the recitations for child–naming ceremony among the Igbo, as recorded in the book: Traditional Birth Poetry Of The Igbo, by Professor Sam Uzochukwu; Sam Orient Publishers, Magodo Lagos, 2006, pp 134, is nothing, but sheer fallacy, because (according to you), the Igbo do not hold naming ceremonies for their children. Who knows?

Maybe the description of a child-naming activity among the Western Igbo, as outlined in the book: Women in Igbo Life and Thought written by Joseph Thérèse Agbasiere on page 136, is nothing but a fairytale. Who can tell?

Another website mentions the fact that a naming ceremony takes place within the family unit, on a close-knit level on the 28th day. Here is the link: http://www.igboguide.org/index.php?l=chapter11

Birth celebration, as the wedding ceremony, varies from village to village. On the eighth day, the child (male only, though there are some discussions whether it should apply females as well) is prepared for circumcision, and on the twenty-eighth day, the naming ceremony is performed, each event accompanied by a feast for the relatives.

Babyosisi, you can choose to believe and hold fast to the ideology that pleases you. I, on the other hand, will continue to embrace knowledge, facts, truth and reality, because these values have worked well for me. Am out.

@Babyosisi,

Why is it that when people say they have observed something in your culture, you deny it vehemently simply because you haven't seen it? If you are not aware of a particular cultural practice or custom, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The same thing you kicked up a fuss over in the 'osu' thread, is exactly what you have repeated in here, on a different subject.

When you were told that it existed in Alaigbo, you turned on every non-Igbo who dared to point out that fact. And you and your cartel kept drumming it down everyone's throat, that it was a dying ancient practice, and not all parts of Alaigbo practised it. Fine. Point taken. So why are you now being obtuse about the same point, the Yoruba people are making on this thread? Even though I come from a different ethnic group, I understand their view, but you have deliberately chosen to misunderstand it, and you continue to deride them, using this tribal mark issue, as a means to put them down.

Now let's go through all the issues, one by one:

Question: Does the practice of carrying tribal marks exist among the Yoruba people?
Answer: Yes, but the practice is fast dying out or almost dead.

Question: How did it arise?
Answer: It started in the olden days, as a means of identification.

Question: Is it exclusive to the Yoruba people?
Answer: No! Other ethnic groups in Nigeria also practise it.

Question: Are all these marks ugly and do they disfigure the wearer?
Answer: Not all tribal marks worn by the Yoruba people are the same, and not all of them are ugly. Some are small, others are not. In some cases, they are downright ugly. In many cases, they are not so prominent, and those who carry them, are used to them, so it isn't a problem in their eyes.

Now Babyosisi, what is so difficult to understand about this issue? You have gone on a hysterical song and dance, trying to make it look as if ALL Yoruba people carry tribal marks, and MOST of those who inflict it on their children at birth, are still doing so till date. Please tell us, what is the current proportion of Yoruba folks who carry tribal marks, since you are so familiar with this issue? Is it 10%, 20% or even 50%? Kindly let us know.

[quote author=Donzman link=topic=59913.]@Laudate

The link you posted has vindicated me, it has also called on you, TerraCotta and the rest to admit you were wrong. There was no naming ceremony mentioned in that article, the article clearly described the process most Igbos go in naming their kids. They name them after the experiences pre-during-post pregnancy, there is no OFFICIAL ceremony where people gather just to name a kid.

Now Thiefofhearts, Laudate and TerraCotta, where is the apology to Donzman, Babyosisi and the other people who have been banging it into your heads that we do not have naming ceremonies?

P.S.: After reading that article, we still have people who think Ikwerres who name their communities in the same exact pattern, Umu-this, Umu-that are not Igbos, people need to be more honest with themselves![/quote]

Donzman:
So nobody wants to apologize now, that horse you were all riding on doesn't seem so high anymore. The only mention of naming ceremony came in this light:

[Quote]
In the city, "the naming ceremony" would be the one big celebration substituting for several activities performed locally, on the kingroup-level.

This means that in the villages, naming ceremonies do not EXIST![/quote]Um. . . .Donzman, did you actually re-ee-ead that entire article, or did you just flip through the abstract or an excerpt of the article?

Take a second look at the portion you even quoted. What do you think the writer was making reference to, by mentioning those "several activities. . performed locally at the kingroup level?"

Topics similar to these ones have been discussed in several other threads on this forum. Just do a quick search.

More info. on giving names to Igbo babies can be gotten from this journal:

Names and naming: Instances from the ORU-IGBO by Sabine Jell-Bahlsen
Journal of Dialectical Anthropology
Publisher: Springer Netherlands
ISSN : 0304-4092 (Print) 1573-0786 (Online)
Issue: Volume 13, Number 2 / June, 1988

Mohadana, this is not the 'osu' thread. Neither is it a thread for discussing pre-colonial traditional religion. So please stop diverting attention from the topic.

Alright, for the sake of balance, what is the latest thing that police is doing to fish out the kidnappers?

And would the person who pasted this story about Mohadana's Niger-Delta, also post an update on Docokwy's Fake Drugs Market in Onitsha?

ono:
What happened in Bonny is for Bonny and Bonny alone. Same with Kainji and Shiroro. Nembe produces oil and gas too, so also are the lands at Forcados and Escravos. How about constructing roads, bridges, building and hospital of world class standards at Nembe and all these places? Can you compare what you see in Nembe with what obtains at Kainji?

Well, lets wait and see. Time will tell.  And I will be happy to see all the plants in the Delta built first, before any other. Infact, it makes economic sense to build the ones closer to the source before the ones far away should be built. We're watching and waiting. And if you're with the planning team, please tell your people to make sure that the energy generated in the Delta stays in the Delta and used up in meeting the needs of our people before the rest is channeled to Oshogbo and other places, please.

Ono, your points are valid, but others have also made some points that are equally as valid, as the ones you have shared with us here.

As long as the hostage-taking and unrest continues in the Niger-Delta, there can be no meaningful development in that area. Listen, it isn't just oil workers that are being kidnapped in the ND, even telcoms workers, construction engineers, name it. Every one that has had some important business to carry out in the ND, has had his fingers burnt, one way or the other. Tell me, how can meaningful development take place in an area where there is no peace OR SAFETY?

I hope Emeka Chikelu comes back on board as a Minister, too!

obong:
thanks for your post . i get tired of the same bashing nigeria gets many times. the oil ghana has isnt that much and their population is small, so its difficult to compare to two. the amount of environmental degradation and corruptioni s likely to be smaller than nigeria because of this.

It often isn't how much oil exists that matters, but how well the proceeds from such oil is managed, that is the issue. If Ghana manages its' revenue from oil appropriately, and deploys it judiciously, to areas where it will have the greatest impact on the populace, ah. . .don't be suprised, if Nigerians start migrating to Ghana to take up menial jobs in exchange for good currency!

Qby:
If a guy was toasting me and i knew he was too busy for me, there wont be a relationship. the problem is most guys find time to do the toasting and once they got d girl they settle in into their old life pattern! Dont get me wrong, i work too and a lot of times am busy as hell, and sometimes i fall back on the attention i should be giving but its MOST DEFINATELY not all d time. Even when i fall back, i try making up for it. Love is like a garden. it thrives and flourishes only if its giving the right amount of attention

True!! Sometimes, 'work" is an excuse guys use, to let the girl know they are not really[i] 'that '[/i] interested in her. Maybe he has gotten what he wants from her & is now busy browsing other chics on the horizon.

Just a thought.

Faith Leha: this chris no be athlete oooooo, na television presenter, no be the obikwelu wey dey run for portugal this one na the one wey dey present sports for one television for lagos before the bobo con waka go europe

Oh. . . .thanks for the correction, but she still needs to lay her cards on the table.

@ThoniaSlim,

What do you mean by you are not suprised & she has always been like that?

Donzman:
Binis have tribal marks too but they're not really as thick as the one you'll find on the Yoruba men with funny looking hats (you know that hats those look like paper boats) on sleeveless agbada and baggy pants! lol lol

Another crass exhibition of ignorance, by the great Donzman. Keep it coming. More people have started telling you, what you are.

sophienwa:
and u must b from jupiter if that is the best u can make of it.

Una no go kill me with laughter for dis place!!

[quote author=me-zainab link=topic=8152.msg1234946#msg1234946 date=1182770277]I'm a product of inter-tribal marriage and my parents are happy. From their relationship history,there was never a time my dad did such a thing.It wasnt easy for both families but at last, love and God's wish prevailed.My dad is from the north while my mum is Ibo.[/quote]Cool! Lovely combination, I must say. What part of the North are you from? The Middle-Belt? North-East? Where? Is your dad a Christian, or a Muslim? I know a few Northern/Ibo couples too. But most of the men in such unions, are from ethnic groups within the the middle-belt e.g. Igala, Idoma etc.