₦airaland Forum

BeginsAtHome:
People like you are the problem Nigeria.

Do you really think I care about who handles what if competence is factored?

This ethnic reason is why most of you do not want an Obi presidency even if there's the chance that things might (MIGHT) turn around positively just because he's Igbo.

Read my lips and comment, if a Zimbabwean will make Nigeria work, I'll back him/her for progress.

Obasanjor with foresight gave Dangote the refineries but somehow, Musa took them back. Most of you without the know how of how government works still think Yaradua is the best president since 1999.

Lemme tell you something, I'm his short time in office, Musa did more damage and we're still suffering for it till date. I know it is too deep for you to understand but that will be a discussion for another day.

Why Obi had so many votes is actually because he is Igbo. You don't seem to understand. The other reason is because he is a Christian. Yorubas, Northern Christians and South south people voted him for those two reasons more than for any other reason because there is no politician in this fourth republic that is more successful than Tinubu and that is just the reality and he is now doing in Abuja what he did in Lagos. If anybody else had won, allocations to states and local governments would be one third of what they are presently. Why? Because you can't give what you don't have and you can't perform over your capacity. Your performance as governor, VP and etc is what will determine your performance as President. All of them would have stolen money but the only one that could have reduced oil money to an insignificant portion of revenue as it was before the civil war is Tinubu and that is a fact.

If it is only feeding, no transport, no rent and etc, it should feed a family of three for at least three days.

keemsleek:
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Lol then you dont know isolo from Ireland akari to ago palace to okota to jakande Estate to ajao Estate aswani are igbo dominated area. How may SS pple are in area. I was born and grew up at ago palace. Anybody staying ago to okota to ire akari will tell u.

A place that is not a government reserved area for Igbos in Lagos can never become an Igbo dominated area. Is it possible for over fifty percent of the real estate on that land to belong to Igbos? It is not possible. So how do you define Igbo dominated area?

aswani:
Not true, Amuwo Odofin is no more than 30% give or take 5% Igbo. A lot of South South people are there too.

The LASG need to do a census so that there can be real statistics to work with. For now, anybody can make any claim like there are five million Igbos in Lagos or there are 500k Yoruba in Onitsha etc

Evelynluv20:
I’m saying only indigene or yorubas should contest. Why is non indigene or non yoruba trying to contest? Can you do that in the East?

What you should push for is constitution change. Lagos contains more population than the SE. It contains 23 million people and the SE is around 19 million people according to all available data including NIN, voter registration, active sim card and etc. Lagos should have at least 18 senators against the SE''s 15 and 55 reps against the SE, ''s 45 and it will be fair for anybody to contest in Lagos and anywhere in Nigeria. Saying people should not contest is just fighting the wrong battle because as long as there is one Nigeria such can never work. There are claims that Anambra alone contains 500k Yoruba and you can advise them to become active there too to even things up

NaWhoTalkAm:
The study is looking at a certain part of paternal ancestry (father's paternal line) not how genetically close two groups are entirely. Furthermore, intermarriage is not enough to change this kind of paternal ancestry under a system where the woman marries into the man's society or ethnicity and not vice versa. The only thing that could change it is assimilation of outsider males into the society, thereby bringing their own paternal genetic history with them. In the Itsekiris case, given the high similarity and that there is likely no recent migration of Temne or Mende into the Niger Delta or nearby regions, I believe it is a result of long term ancestral lineage. Put in other words, some male members of an ancient population that eventually produced the Itsekiri were among the ancestral patriarchs that produced the Temne and the Mende as well.

It is not easy for me to read the paper using my phone but I will try and read it later but I am certain that paternal ancestry can not match by fifty percent between those groups and any group in the Niger Delta not even by thirty percent. They are too far apart. Any nation of human beings is composed originally of people that agreed to take up that identity and they definitely can not all have the same paternal ancestry. However they have fought wars, shed blood and defended territory over centuries for that identity and that is what matters.

DNA is not really accurate all the time. Many times they just come to predetermined conclusions that they are comfortable with. For instance Kemitic Egypt is just five thousand years ago and the language they spoke was an archaic form of Yoruba language and it is agreed that modern Egyptians are more than seventy percent descended from those ancient Egyptians but there are no studies showing any correlation between their DNA and those in Nigeria like Igala, Yoruba, Itsekiri etc who speak the modern form of their old language. It is like saying there is no correlation found between German genes and English genes but we know the English have thirty percent of their DNA as Germanic in origin and their language is a Germanic language. The only difference between the two scenarios is the time gap English people and German people are separated by 1000 years. There were no German origin words being spoken in Britain 1500 years ago. They only had Celtic languages. Five thousand years ago, the language of Egypt was an archaic form of the modern Yoruba language and one would expect the relationship to also show up in the DNA as it does between Germany and Britain. There are even Egyptian paternal lines deep into Europe according to reports. However the tools they use may not be sophisticated enough for wider time gaps. So it means it is not entirely reliable.
In the long run, stories and acknowledged history as well as physical evidence are more solid than DNA evidence because anybody can be sworn in to become members of any nation and your DNA does not in any way determine your social ancestors or spiritual ancestors. For example my spiritual research with IFA says majority of people in the western hemisphere have red Indian spiritual ancestry but DNA will tell you they are of European and African ancestry in the majority.

Dshocker:
If that would make you feel better, you win, the Yorubas are the most travelled within Nigeria

Not a matter of feeling better but I consider myself an academic and I am never in support of dishing out propaganda and making things become true by merely repeating them. Many accepted truths are in that category and all of them make me uncomfortable. Something can be considered a kind of truth when billions believe it

Reincarnation- Do you need to know who you were in your last life?

I once asked IFA this question and IFA said there is no need for you to have that information at all. It is because you are simply the property of your spirit. You are just a food farm being used to harvest spirit food on Earth for consumption in heaven. What you know in the material or do not know would in the long run not stop your spirit from using you for whatever end it wants or that it considers important.

An incarnating spirit can come from any line from any of the two parents of the child but pre eminence is given to the male line or the owner of the line which can also be someone or a spirit from the female line.

Old Spirits are also constantly competing among themselves for incarnation slots and there are always more old spirits than slots available. Spirits can come from the Earth family or from the spiritual family. Earth family is relationship on Earth while spiritual family is relationship in heaven. Two spirits one hundred generations apart are no longer spiritual family and can no longer use slots owned by each other. A man can incarnate in his children up to twelve generations if I remember right and someone whose name you are calling as an ancestor will be given priority in heaven to incarnate in your kids if they want to or if they like you which may be because you are doing well on Earth. .

An old spirit desperate to incarnate may be given a condition in heaven saying they will not during the proposed incarnation, rise to a status higher than what they were in their last life and if they agree, they will be allowed by the owner of the line and if not they will not be allowed. The owner of the line insists on this kind of agreement because old spirits do have the resources and the wherewithal to become anything they want and if they are not restricted, younger spirits on incarnation will not have the space to grow.

You can not stay in heaven for more than one hundred years if I remember right before you are sent back to Earth by your group. I am not sure if the number of years is correct. A new spirit without incarnation experience will be eligible for incarnation at least by age 101 and must incarnate as they will have to start generating their own food after being fed for so long by handouts from friends and allocations from the God grid.

Ifa obliged me who I was in my last incarnation and that is the founder of Nigerian nationalism Sir Herbert Macaulay who died in 1946. Ifa will ignore such inquiries from most people. Most people who are female now were male the last time they came and vice versa.

IFA said Sir Macaulay was an incarnate of Orunmila the founder of the Ifa divination system which makes me also an incarnate but according to Ifa, he had no idea he was an Orunmila incarnate until his death. There were five Arabas of the Oyo empire that were Orunmila incarnates as well as one Ogboni of Ibokun Ijesa and they all knew they were Orunmila incarnates. There was a prominent Araba in Brazil who also was an Orunmila incarnate who was a direct direct descendant of the Ogboni Ibokun that was an Orunmila incarnate. There have been a total of 55 Orunmila incarnates and 97 fathers from the first Orunmila that was from Oke Igeti to myself according to Ifa.

Therefore Ifa may tell you who you were in a past incarnation but it will most likely ignore the inquiry as it considers such an inquiry to be largely irrelevant to your current incarnation.

GDP by PPP for all countries is high. Nigeria's is almost 10,000 dollars

GDP nominal per Capita is determined by the cost of living. If rent in your country for a flat is less than 200 dollars a year then your GDP per Capita will not exceed 2000 dollars

The fine is too high for a country with a minimum wage of seventy thousand naira.

What do you think will happen to western Europe if they open their borders to all?
The economy will not be able to sustain it. It will crash. Other countries have to build their nations so that Europe can be able to sustain itself. The same applies to Lagos in relation to the rest of Nigeria.
Then Lagos is not in the region of 500 billion per annum in igr. Lagos did 1.24 trillion in igr as at 2024.

helinues:
Some things would be corrected in the 2027 election

The mass transfer of polling unit will be rejected boldly this time around

There is no need for that. People should be able to move as they wish but states losing population as well as GDP should not retain their stake by representation at the center. Oyo for instance used to have a higher population than Ogun state but NIN registration now says Ogun now have more population and it should reflect in their representation. After Lagos in the SW, the highest IGR is Ogun and the highest HDI is also Ogun. It should have been Oyo because they have the potential and they are even doing VAT but the government unlike Lagos and Ogun don't have much revenue and that is why people are leaving the state gradually. How do you explain Oyo paying more VAT but not having as much igr as Ogun?

The much ado about Lagos- Nigeria is for all citizens

Like one page named Eculaw on Facebook pointed out, what should be the ambition of all cities is to be a no man's land meaning a melting point for all because such leads to prominence and prosperity for the city in question. The assertion has some truth in it as no city can become really great without becoming cosmopolitan. A city has to be a Mecca of sorts or a New York before it can be very prosperous. However it must also be under the control of its government for it to have any chance at all. It must have good policy makers and visionary leadership.

The constitution of Nigeria allows all Nigerians to live and work in any part of the country and also be able to participate in the local politics if they so wish. This applies to all states and not only to Lagos state.

If one state is getting policy making right and people are migrating en masse there as a result and are then claiming they must use their rising population to take over the state's policy making because they are tax payers, they are right but it must come with increasing the successful state's share of central representation to match their population, revenue and GDP. A state with a GDP of 5 billion dollars should not be ranked the same nor should it be given the same representation at the center as another with 150 billion dollars in GDP. If the former has ten seats at the center, the latter should have three hundred.

Give Lagos the representation at the center that it has worked for because that is the right thing to do and anybody with a Nigerian passport should also not be disturbed from aspiring for anything in Lagos and not only in Lagos but also Abuja, Anambra, Kano, Kaduna, Osun and etc.

Has Nigeria become poorer since 2023?

No country whose government revenue increased more than 300 percent can become poorer after the fact. Nigeria's revenue has increased more than 300 percent since the beginning of this administration and states and local governments are collecting more than three times what they were collecting in 2022 and this is because oil and gas revenue that used to be more than eighty percent of revenue is now less than twenty percent.

The civil servants can ask for higher pay and they can get it. Money is also flowing because of government contracts by the various tiers of government. States and local governments have money to spend currently that they would not have by any means had if not for the current administration's revenue drive

The problem Nigeria has now is mainly security which the President t is not facing with sincerity as he knows his National security advisor, Mallam Nuhu Ribadu is sending unknown gunmen to communities under the attack of unknown gunmen and he has done nothing. No senior citizen either from the North or the south or from any of the communities where people are being killed regularly has also protested despite the news being in the public space and more people being killed every now and then. So it is not the President alone that can be blamed for that. There should have been a protest from traditional rulers and etc for instance but nothing

Another problem is the epileptic electrical power supply which is an age long problem of Nigeria

A problem is also the rising cost of living which affects mainly the first tier cities of Nigeria as it affects the high income parts of the world.

Another persistent problem too is the inflation of contracts or corruption

In conclusion, Nigeria is definitely facing challenges but rising poverty is not a main one. The challenges are security, rising cost of living in some cities, the usual corruption and epileptic electrical power

It however appears as if the Dangote refinery can't be valued up to twenty billion dollars as it is widely believed to be worth if it decides to seek funding.

The value will be substantially below ten billion dollars

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1LLPFMPzCZ/

Putinofrussia:
lol
Yes,Igbos are just a little over 3 million in Lagos.
There are more Hausas than Igbos in Lagos.
I remember some of our blodas saying that Ibeto was worth up to around $4 billion or so
(Ibeto hardly worth up to $50 million) and some other falsehood and fake things they have saturated the internet with.
Meanwhile,no dollar billionaire exists among the Igbos.It is only Yorubas that have 4 billionaires in dollar and lots of dollar millionaires with a good spread amongst the Yoruba populace.

3 million is high because other Southerners who are not Igbo do outnumber Igbos in Lagos for sure. All groups in this Nigeria have their largest diaspora population in Lagos and there are over 300 groups in Nigeria. Any survey saying Igbos outnumber the combination of Calabar, Ijaw, Urhobo, Ogoni and etc in Lagos is probably wrong.

NaWhoTalkAm:
We Itsekiri are Itsekiri in spirit, not Yoruba. Also the paternal line of the 21 Itsekiri in this study is not just similar to our nearest neighbours but also to Mende and Temne all the way in Sierra Leone.

Your DNA can only be similar to your neighbors and not people you are separated from by vast territory. Even if you came from there originally, how many centuries of intermarriage do you need to make you similar to your new neighbours? Your submission does not align with any known science. It is like saying DNA in France aligns with DNA in Ukraine. Not possible

OredoPikin:
We are talking about development and this one dey talk VAT
Who do una this thing for SW?
Ain't u guys ashamed that Ebonyi with far less VAT generation has more good roads than Ogun state with huge revenue generation?
Ogun state don't have quality roads, no access to clean water, no constant electricity, no quality hospital etc yet u generate so much money and offer nothing to the people of the state.
Instead of you to be asking your leaders what they are doing with the huge revenue generation, you are here using it to brag.
Nawa o

VAT is visible and can not be controverted. The FG is all out collecting it. They are chasing everybody with the same zeal. So if you pay more it means something is going on in your state compared to those who pay less. There is no published data that says Ebonyi has more good roads than Ogun and Ogun by the way should be up to ten times the size of Ebonyi or more then Ebonyi is being paid triple the VAT it generates while Ogun is not paid up to 100 percent.

ottersberger:
I don't wanna come off as arrogant, but some of you are irredemably ignorant. Interracting with you guys will rub my IQ on the floor. I'll leave it at that. Go read some history book, then come back to argue. Finally, congratulations for recognizing that Igbo is the second biggest demography in Lagos after Yoruba from all over the Southwest, Dahomey and Togo. Take this away though, and this goes to your other colleague, without Igbo industry, Lagos sea ports would be a shadow of itsself, including the airport.

2027 elections will come upon us, God willing, and we will confirm a thing or two. Finally, It's IGBO.

The Hausa have their largest diaspora population in Lagos ditto the Igbo. So what makes you think that the Igbo population will automatically be larger than the Hausa population in Lagos when Hausa in total is more than Igbo? In Nigeria? It is just claims without basis. Hausa have what they do in Lagos and Igbos have what they do and if I am placing a bet then it will be on Hausa being larger in population in Lagos than Igbos from my observation. Igbos however are more integrated

OredoPikin:
Developing other region🤣
What is this one saying self.
Where is the development in ondo and ekiti or osun?
Any small thing developing other region🤣
Is Ekiti or ondo or Osun better than Ebonyi or yobe or bayelsa?
They are all the same undeveloped
So stop bragging with Bush

Haven't you seen the breakdown by state? I have seen it. The only SE state that surpass Osun is Anambra state. The combination of Oyo and Ogun surpass the total of all states in the SE.
Osun has more SMEs, more banks and more hotels than any state in the SE apart from Anambra state. All the information can be gotten online. How can you compare Ebonyi to Osun or Ogun? Ebonyi is only comparable to Ekiti in population and Ekiti is generating more VAT than bigger states not to talk of Ebonyi state. Bayelsa is also doing substantial VAT but it is a small state and can't be compared to Osun in vibrancy

ottersberger:
Again, read what you wrote again and ask yourself whether it made sense.

Respond with logic. I will like you to actually make your point.
There is nothing and there has never been anything special about Lagos or Kano, Jos, PH and ettc. However there is no need to be making wild claims. If you want a reliable estimate of the ethnic composition of Lagos residents then sponsor the research I described. PH, Jos, Enugu, Owerri, Kaduna etc did not exist before the British but it is Lagos that fought a war with the British that is special?

OredoPikin:
Instead of making research, u are crying 😂😂

I will be surprised if Igbos surpass one million people in Lagos because what about others? If they are above one million, how can the population of the Yoruba be so dominant in winning elections? Remember one million people will fill up a big city infact two big cities

OredoPikin:
😂😂
Out of 21million estimated population of Lagos, igbos alone are over 7million. That's over 1/3
No be me go help u do research

Igbos 7 million
Hausa 7 million
Other southerners 7 million
Other Northerners 4 million
Foreigners 500,000
Yoruba minus 4 million
But they are able to win ninety nine percent of the posts

esnbrutality:
If the three major tribes, you make the most noise and like your comfort zone. Even Northerners travel more than you. So rest

There is no city on Earth where people were counted that the Yoruba did not surpass any Nigerian group. We are waiting for one to be counted where it will not be so. More than half of Nigerians in the UK are Yoruba and the same is true for the USA, Canada, Australia and etc but you somehow believe the Yoruba are the least traveled in Nigeria?

esnbrutality:
You called and i answered..

Everyone knows that SW internet coverage is only in LAGOS, where every tribe is represented.

Let us check by states...isn't it TRUE that in MOST capitals of the SW most people still burn Candles and use lanterns for LIGHT?

Why are cities outside Lagos in the SW, always looking like COVENs?

It is only in Lagos that every ethnic group is represented. No Yoruba in Kano, Enugu, Awka, Jos, Abuja, PH and etc. No Yoruba is using phone and internet in those places. The fact is that any non Yoruba living in the SW is accounted for by Yoruba living in other places.

The foundation of this country is a fraudulent census and it has caused a lot of problems

NaWhoTalkAm:
This paper is not talking about full ancestry. It is only looking at one narrow father-to-son line on the Y chromosome.

When you see “haplotype,” think of it as a father-line genetic signature, not the total ancestry of a people. When you see “RST distance,” read it as a closeness score on the father-line test: the smaller the number, the closer the paternal lines of the group are related. The larger the number, the further away their paternal lines are related.

The paper included 21 Itsekiri men, 110 Yoruba men (split into two groups: 49 Yoruba-Ibadan, 61 Yoruba-Lagos), 28 Urhobo men, 48 Bini men, 47 Mende men, and 34 Temne men.

In Table 4, we see the Itsekiri sample is closer by RST distance to Bini (0.025) and Urhobo (0.025), and even closer to Temne (0.047) and Mende (0.059), than to either of the Yoruba sample. Yoruba-Ibadan (0.191), Yoruba-Lagos (0.154).

This is not enough to prove or disprove any claims of origin but it shows the common claim by some, that Itsekiris are Yoruba offshoots or migrants who paternally descend from Yoruba is not necessarily the case.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029687&type=printable

Spirit does not care about DNA. DNA can be altered along the line because of location due to the sexual adventures of your ancestors and etc but who is incarnating in you will not change. If someone impregnates your daughter without marriage for instance the child will be an incarnate from a spirit in your line and not from the sperm donor. DNA is just clothe that spirits wear though it obviously tells a story. It is however the story passed down by your ancestors that matter. The Esan for instance are said to be the most genetically similar to the Yoruba in Nigeria as I read somewhere but they are not even Yoruboid not to talk of being Yoruba.
There are white people in Brazil today who know they are Ijesa, their DNA will of course say they are not but they know they are and it is the spirits originally from there that incarnates in their kids. No reasonable person will argue with them that they are not Ijesa just because they are phenotypically white.

DNA does not negate nor affirm anything and neighbors will always have similar DNA for obvious reasons

helinues:
What's taking the state governors eternity to start generating their own electricity by partnering with investors

They will do it. They have been focusing on large plants and those are expensive. If they use the method described and then focus on other renewable sources, they can solve the power problem in months

lionshare:
I think many rural communities outside the major urban centers can rely on mini-grids or standalone solar systems. Beyond the high initial cost of power generation plants, the expenses involved in transmission and distribution make centralized supply even more costly. With mini-grids, rural areas can be served independently, allowing the main grid to concentrate electricity where demand is highest. Besides, I don’t believe Osun State’s total daily electricity load is up to 300 MW.

Why don't you believe? If there is constant electricity, Osun will consume 1000MW at least. I was not referring to Osun but only Ijesa land of six local governments which will be more than one quarter of Osun state

Ten thousand solar power plants across six local governments is a power grid. It does not have to be a few plants before it can be called a grid. All connections will be metered and any bypass will be illegal, so it is not different from any other grid.

If power plants are built as public infrastructure and not something that must pay back what was invested in it within a certain period then it can be possible for other renewable sources to take care of when the sun is down and it may even be cheaper than energy storage

It is already happening in seven countries.

ottersberger:
Really?. You've just confirmed your very limited knowledge of Lagos and its people. Say hello to your neighbors in Oshogbo from me.

99 percent of Lagos elective posts are won by the Yoruba and during the governorship, this constituency in question was won by the APC, so you don't need a soothsayer to know that there is no local government in Lagos where the Yoruba are not a majority. So because one percent of Lagos posts was won by an Igbo now means Igbos and Yorubas are on an equal footing in Lagos?

ottersberger:
Shut up, my friend.

Coming to the public place to rant only confirms you as being emotionally unstable. The whole world knows that the second largest ethnic group in Lagos state is unarguably Igbo.

That is because Igbos migrated to Lagos as early as the 1920s. They contributed to building the Lagos some of you migrating from your SW enclaves in the 90s and 2000 met on the ground.

My family bought our plots of land in what is known today as lekki phase 1 directly from the Elegushi family in the 1970s, where were some you and your people then?.

Why do you think Ahmed Tinubu lost Lagos, and Abuja in the last election?. The same scenarion is playing out in the FCT as we speak. While other well-meaning Nigerians firmly stood with the core message of his excellency and voted for him, including his Yoruba supporters, his Igbo people also broke in large numbers for him.

Those Igbos are Lagosians. Most were born in Lagos. A number of may not even speak Igbo fluently or know where their fathers villages are. But they know who they are. How do I know?, I've met and spoken to a good many of these brothers and sisters.

I know people like you hate to stare the truth in the face, but Lagos is as Igbo as it is Yoruba. Yes, Lagos is Yorubaland, but it was developed by all Nigerians and will continue to be inhabited by all of us until, and if the country disintegrate.

As for saying the rep member scored an own goal, that's nonsense. You are saying he is too stupid to not know who got him there in the first place.

Do you really think politicians are philanthropists?. Abeg, rest.

Igbos in Lagos are not more than Hausas in population and they don't have as much economic input as Hausas who bring in cattle, foodstuffs and etc. It is only that Hausa is different from Igbo in how they approach issues. Other southerners not Yoruba outnumber Igbos in Lagos and if only Igbo vote for Igbo in Lagos, they will not be able to win anything. There might have been a time that Igbo were many in Lagos and that would be the time they did not have big cities like in the 1970s but not now anymore when they have Enugu, Owerri, Onitsha, Awka etc
What you need to do is to join the campaign for Lagos to have it's correct and fair share of seats at the center then you will be right to say it should be a free for all. Lagos should have over 50 house of rep seats and it would then be fair for every Tom, Dick and Harry to contest but if not, it means the Yoruba and Lagos indigenes are being cheated or short changed. I hope you understand. Any representation that the SE has, Lagos should be given 120 percent of it as that is what all available data say is fair.

Then don't isolate Lagos as being built by Nigerians, other states were built by Nigerians as well. If you talk about oil money then Yoruba is taking less than it puts in