₦airaland Forum

nairalanda1:
Well, you need NIN if you live in the cities and rural areas not far from the urban areas.

If you are a rural farmer that lives out in the rural areas, and has been doing nothing but farming, you may not need NIN

For example, there are many states in the North who don't have banks in half their LGA's...which was a major problem with Buhari's cashless policy. And that means millions without BVN and even NIN.

The problem really is our records system does not cover the entire country...if it did, maybe we would see some improvement. Maybe if we had mobile teams that registered every new birth and issued a NIN for each child born...maybe..

But for now the only way to count nigerians is a census, not NIN or BVN. (The controverises over census arise because all states in nigeria are not productive enough, and even when we had regions, all of them were not earning enough to function well without government help...so census figures are used to allocate government resources...which is very flawed and leads to inflated numbers...that's why you people should vote for sane leaders who will cure us of resource dependency)

I don't agree with you that a sizeable percentage of Northern adults don't have NIN. Have you been following and analyzing the registration?. The last time I checked the North has over 55 million entries with the South having over 43 million. The gap is even wider than one would have expected so they are registering in the North. How many Northerners have you ever encountered without a bank account? Their states don't have as much banks as southern states neither do they have as much hotels and I really wonder why but what is NIN if not census by other means? I trust NIN more than census. However the indicator of population that I trust most is igr.

Salewa97:
NIN is compulsory for all Nigerians.

The government should start closing the loopholes.

I mean that children leave it off until they need it. The point I am driving at is that with a good identity management commission there will be no need to spend money on census. And another point is are we really up to 220 million?

The total number of NIN registration including those that have died is around one hundred and twenty six million. If we can estimate the percentage of Nigerians that have done NIN by checking a population sample, then we will be able to arrive at a good estimate of Nigeria"s population.
The people that have not done NIN are people that don't need bank accounts, most especially children who are not yet in higher institutions
What percentage of the population do you think the one hundred and twenty six million represents?

VAT is a measure of a kind of productivity. It is paid by companies who add value to raw materials before selling. Such companies are mainly domiciled in the west. If your expenses is 100 naira and your sales is ten thousand naira you will pay a lot of VAT. Farmers don't pay VAT and companies that don't publish their book don't pay much. Credit goes to those companies and by extension the states they are located in
Then the SE is very small and with low population and they are not doing worse than the NW with three times their population.

Konquest:
That an interesting perspective from you on Oranmiyan and his supposed revenge mission after the alleged expulsion if Oduduwa. I've NEVER heard of that before though BUT I would like you to give me some book references I can read up on that. I know full well that when Oranmiyan [who was the FIRST EVER Oba of Benin as confirmed in the 2016 coronation speech of the current Oba Ewuare 11 of Benin Kingdom] the founder of the current Oranmiyan Dynasty returned from Benin after Eweka was conceived via the Yoruba community of Usen (in Ovia South West LGA of Edo State where Chief Gabriel Igbinedion's mother hailed from) where Afelogiyan, who was Oranmiyan's OLDER brother was the FIRST EVER traditional ruler of, Oranmiyan indeed returned to Ife (Ufe) and founded the Oyo Kingdom which metamorphosed into the Oyo Empire [towards the Tapa (Nupe) and Bariba (or Batonu) areas which I would situate as modern Kwara State].

However, cultural traditions from Ile Ife CLEARLY state that the man who founded the current dynasty of rulers in Ife came from Oke Ora, hence, every Oba or Ooni of Ife (Ufe) has to go to Oke Ora just 8 miles from Ife for the coronation rites as a mark of symbolism.

Unfortunately I can't remember the exact book in which I read the account

Why go to Hajj if you don't have the means personally? Government money should be spent on education, health and etc and not on sponsoring hajj

Konquest:
It's important to emphasize here and now that Oduduwa himself came from Oke Ora his ORIGINAL homeland (just 8 miles away from Ile Ife) where he met the ancestors of the current Olugbo of Ugbo Kingdom located in the Ilaje LGA of Ondo State. The ancestors of Yorubas have lived for centuries LONG before Oduduwa was even born.

Nigeria's former Ambassador to Germany, the revered emeritus Professor Jide Osuntokun and Professor Banji Akintoye are some of the iconic historians of Yoruba descent who have long revealed these FACTS of history about the presence of several autochtonuous communities in Yorubaland based on several archaeological evidence. Oduduwa himself is just the progenitor of MOST of today's Yoruba Kings or Obas extending from Yorubaland in Nigeria to Benin Republic and Togo. This is why any new Ooni of Ife (Ufe) has to go to Oke Ora to pay homage as part of the coronation ceremony or rites.

The descent from the sky by Oduduwa as you know is a Yoruba liturgical metaphor which refers to his descent from the sacred hills of Oke Ora. (Oke means hill and Ora is the name of a Yoruba deity).

When we say Oduduwa there is not just one. Yoruba believe in reincarnation. There is not just one Ogun, Esu, Obatala, Orunmila and etc.There is an ancient Oduduwa that landed from the sky. There was an Ogun that landed from the sky and there have been several Oguns
Then I have heard one story that makes me to believe the last Oduduwa who established the current dynasty is not from Oke ora but from outside Yoruba land
When Oranmiyan returned from Benin to Ile Ife he decided to go and revenge the expulsion of Oduduwa from where he came from. He gathered troops and guess what he headed North towards the river Niger. The Bariba did not let him cross the river and the Nupe king gave him a wife. He and his followers settled and founded Oyo

Odus of ifa December 8 2025.


Otura Osa

Where God put you is not good enough

This was the IFA cast for the religionist who is hell bent on converting people away from their traditions

Obara Iwori

Everybody will be better off if everybody is an investor.
This was the IFA cast for the government that compelled all workers to save into a pension fund for investment.

Oyeku meji
Danger is a recipe for peace

This was the ifa cast for the world where peace was kept because some nations have weapons that can destroy the whole world.

Osa Obara
A body of knowledge with a holy book that must not be questioned is not worth subscribing to

This was the IFA cast for the inquisitive scientist who refused to follow religion.


Odi Oyeku

We rise high by standing on the platform raised by those gone before us

This was the ifa cast for the elder who will always take time to advise the younger ones.
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa
Of what use is the long years of an old one if not to be used to advise the younger ones?


Irosun Otura

It is not hustle that makes you immensely rich

This was the ifa cast for the visionary who got rich by writing a business plan

Oturupon Owonrin
The eyes knows what can fill the belly.

This was the IFA cast for minimum wage which can rise without government intervention
It was advised to sacrifice
It listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
No one will take a wage that can't even feed them.
Note
The minimum wage can rise on its own due to market forces but it will be a slave wage.


Oyeku ika
Fighting the demand is better than fighting the supply
This was the ifa cast for the government that gave citizens responsible jobs as a war against drug abuse instead of fighting drug dealers.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
If you have a responsible job you are less likely to be a drug abuser


Otura meji

There are things that are good
There are things that are bad
There are things that are neutral
Idolatry is neutral

This was the IFA cast for the government which placed a ban on religionists condemning idolaters to hell fire publicly
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa
It was not until there was quiet that there was peace


Ogunda Owonrin

Cast Ifa for the ardent religionist who believe the holy book but is asking for evidence before believing that God is a gentleman and can not be burning people in hell for unbelief.

SonOfDSoil01:
😂😂😂 who did the census for you to arrive at the figure you are bandying? NwOSU, don’t delude yourself…Yorubas are minority in SE with a less significant number. I served in owerri and did my camp in Umuna bende Abia state. I can tell you for a fact that even Hausas have far more number in the SE than Yorubas. Through out my stay in owerri, aside for the few yoruba corpers, I hardly come bye a Yoruba man in owerri during my daily activities. The few are met are either transferred base on work or artisans that are contracted to work on building project, because Yorubas have the the labour force of artisans eg, bricklayers, tilers, plumbers, mechanics etc ibos don’t have this labour force so they contract mostly Yorubas or Togolese and they usually return back home to yorubaland after their contract….they don’t base in the east. Yorubas are progressive people and they migrate to more prosperous and productive regions. That’s why we don’t leave our region because it is still the most productive and most economically viable region of the country……if you said Yorubas are much in PH I would have agreed with you but not SE and don’t delude yourself, if Nigeria break up Today, the Ibos will no longer enjoy the privileges they enjoy in Lagos today

They will live in Nigeria like Lebanese Indians or Chinese and same with Yoruba in the East, PH and etc. Then true competition will start.
I once read an interview where the Yoruba leader in Anambra says Yoruba population there is over 500k. If that's true the whole SE will have over a million

dederocs:
Lowest population is as a result of bad mentality breeding insecurity, hence no visitors or investors. You need to evolve mentally.

They also have the highest population density as a zone and have millions of non indigenes living there. SE is small with low population so they will naturally have low revenue. Given their population the NW should have the biggest revenue but they dont

dederocs:
Read my last response slowly, but if you are a clown, go to jokes section.

The topic is about productive states, nairaland ought to have an IQ test.

You can't say SE is not productive. You have to view it on a per capita basis. They have the lowest population of all the zones and should ordinarily have the lowest output

SonOfDSoil01:
what is the population of the Yorubas in the east compared to the millions of ibos in the west? And btw you can’t eat your cake and have it…..if Nigeria breaks, you will become a second class citizen in yorubaland and may even require visa to enter into our land and also pay huge taxes to do business

If only one million Yorubas are in the east it is enough. Out of seven Yoruba governors two were born in the east. Kwara and Osun governors. That will tell you Yoruba are many in the East and will not leave even if Nigeria breaks up. Everybody will tax businesses on their land. West Africans don't require visas to live in west African countries. Then I am Yoruba and not Igbo and I prefer a Yoruba led country to Nigeria. I want Igbo and Hausa led countries too where local languages are official

SonOfDSoil01:
NwOSU, no one is against your Biafra, we are just asking you to do it the right way and ask your reps in NA to sponsor a bill and while they at it, leave Lagos and other part of Nigeria…..most of us will give anything for you to have your Biafra, we are desperate to hade you leave and have your country….but you can’t be crying to have your own country while you keep deserting your region, who Una Dey leave am for?

You forget that Yoruba Hausa are in the east too. Do they need to leave too? Breaking up Nigeria does not mean people will leave anywhere. There are foreigners in Nigeria and other countries

Tendd:
Nigeria's geo-political structure is a complex anomie.
The region that allegedly contributes relatively little to the center wants to leave the union but some wants her to remain.In Spain,the catalonas that contributes more to the Spanish Republic are disgruntled for paying more and readily wants to leave the region but spain wants them in the union.So strange.

Oil and gas revenue is a big one in Nigeria. VAT is not much

The NW is 3 times the SE in population according to NIN registration data. If you check the VAT on a per capita basis they are around equal with NW slightly higher.
In IGR the SE is now doing better

AndroBlaze:
This silly Mali story has been debunked severally by the governor's late father who met Bukola's grandfather.

Besides Oduduwa, no other Yoruba individual fell from the sky, we are all identifiable and Saraki needs to stop with his irritating deception.

https://saharareporters.com/2010/12/09/saraki-not-kwara-alhaji-abdulganiyu-folorunsho-abdulrazak

The Sarakis have now become members of Balogun Fulani nowhere else will take them

victoryenergy:
All the money that was suppose to be use to provide simple water for Iranians has been use to sponsor Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas, and other terrorist groups, in view of wiping a very tiny country like Israel of the map. but they never succeed just like their ancestors never did. what a terrible people.una neva chi chum chum.

Their ancestors? Persia was the main power that facilitated the establishment of the state of Israel by supporting Babylonian Jews headed by Nehemiah

geoworldedu:
I dey tell you. I stay in Yoruba land. They are the most tolerant of all tribes in Nigeria. Aside that, they are the only tribe that hasn't provided any terrorist groups or groups who hurt the government or kidnap government workers. The north have provided terrorists in millions, the East have provided IPOB, the South South have provided militants who kidnap innocent oil workers. What has the Southwest produced. Mind you, I am not a Yoruba.

OPC is said to be up to 3 million members but they are now more like a socio cultural group

Imagine the waste if a city is evacuated because of water shortage. It however used to happen. The Sahara used to be filled with cities thousands of years ago

Pension funds and full employment.

The aim or policy in every country on Earth should be to make every retiree a high net worth individual while every young and healthy person will have the right to a means of livelihood.

This is better than paying welfare benefits to anybody whether old or young

The idea that artificial intelligence can create unemployment should be jettisoned. In a truly high human civilization it is whatever jobs that are left that will be shared to everybody with the government as a broker until there is more than enough.
Academic research alone can employ everybody. There are always things that needs to be done and unemployment in any society is proof that the society has not gotten it right

There should be pension funds in every country that actually add to the estate of subscribers. Someone that worked for thirty five years starting from minimum wage should be able to have enough at retirement to at least be a director in a small company.

Pension funds administrators in Nigeria are charged to grow at a minimum of five percent per annum.

When you retire you can take your funds and invest it in equity on your own. Anything invested in equity especially in a blue chip company is safe from inflation. It is like building a house. Once you do that you are safe from inflation

Time is money and everybody should by statute be compelled to turn their long years on Earth to a high net worth. It should not be left to a few entities. Enough of complaining about wealth concentration. Let everybody get involved.

There can be set backs. For example people can lose all their funds in a bad investment. However in Nigeria all your funds are not released to you at once to mitigate against such.

Christistruth00:
Okotie-Eboh was murdered because he was his own man

I have not read history up to where Okotie eboh was accused of being at variance with Zik. However as Finance minister he was in the thick of the ten percent bribery allegation on the ruling coalition. Contractors allegedly were expected to give back ten percent of whatever they are paid to finance the party in government.
However during the time of the coup the coalition had already fallen apart and the NPC was in another coalition with Akintola's NNDP. I think we could say the NCNC was no longer in power by then but Zik was the President. I am not very sure of the details

Christistruth00:
Okotie-Eboh had more power as Minister of Finance than Azikiwe had as Ceremonial President

Okotie eboh in that government was a subordinate of Zik. Balewa was a subordinate of Sardauna. Okotie eboh would have been nominated by Zik

Christistruth00:
Azikiwe could easily have been minister of Finance.
Azikiwe didn't know that the Position of President he was given was Ceremonial and almost powerless.
He was already in it before he found out

Awolowo had approached Azikiwe for a Coalition that would have made Azikiwe Prime Minister while Awolowo had agreed to be minister of Finance.

It was the British that persuaded Zik to accept the Position of Ceremonial President instead with Balewa as PM

If you had to Choose between Ceremonial President and Substsntive PM which one would you choose?

Be honest

The President is the highest ranking citizen like King and Zik's name was written in the constitution. It was a high honor and he still had his boys or subordinates as ministers. Parliamentary system isn't rigid like that and they had meetings, shared posts and worked together

Christistruth00:
Awolowo had offered Azikiwe the Prime Minister Position

Azikiwe was a mere figure head as President
The position had no Power

Even Sardauna had more 8ndluenxe than Azikiwe

Will you say someone like Okotie eboh had no power in the government? He was finance minister and a subordinate of Zik

Christistruth00:
Azikiwe could easily have been minister of Finance.
Azikiwe didn't know that the Position of President he was given was Ceremonial and almost powerless.
He was already in it before he found out

Awolowo had approached Azikiwe for a Coalition that would have made Azikiwe Prime Minister while Awolowo had agreed to be minister of Finance.

It was the British that persuaded Zik to accept the Position of Ceremonial President instead with Balewa as PM

How can you compare ceremonial President to Minister of Finance?. Azikiwe was not a figure head. They ran the country together. Okotie eboh that was finance minister was his NCNC subordinate. His NCNC people controlled the civil service and etc. They controlled everything and he would have been the chief person nominating. If Zik accepted Awo's proposal, do you think the NPC will accept to be opposition?. I don't think so

Christistruth00:
Azikiwe could easily have been minister of Finance.
Azikiwe didn't know that the Position of President he was given was Ceremonial and almost powerless.
He was already in it before he found out

Awolowo had approached Azikiwe for a Coalition that would have made Azikiwe Prime Minister while Awolowo had agreed to be minister of Finance.

It was the British that persuaded Zik to accept the Position of Ceremonial President instead with Balewa as PM

How

ibechris:
Then keep quiet.

U don't know what u are saying.

You are so ignorant yet arrogant. What a bad combo.

mrvitalis:
Do you know government determines where each product can be imported from.

That can be true for maybe a few items. Can't be all. Then it is possible to resist such a policy

Christistruth00:
Some SE leaders are very dangerous even for their own people in the long run.

We now understand why the British believed that having Azikiwe as Prime Minister or Minister of Finance would have wrecked Nigeria almost immediately after independence and why they fought very hard against Azikiwe having any real power.
Just look at the amount of damage Gen Ironsi did in only 6 months pere when he was being Teleguided by Azikiwe.
Nigeria is still battling with the issue of the Abolished Autonomous Regions.

Gov Otti would probably have made Nnamdi Kanu the Minister of Defence irrespective of Kanu's desperate desire to wipe out entire Cities and Ethnic groups if he could do so.

The British were indeed very wise Administrators.
They even deserve Award

Do you really believe the British pushed anybody to be PM?. It was a parliamentary system and there was intense negotiation between parties and the quotes of the party leaders are still publicly available. Sardauna said the mistake of 1914 has come to light! Zik begged him to forget our differences. Without the PM position the North would not have gone on with one Nigeria. The British did not hand anybody anything and the British PM even verbally supported Awo saying he would have been PM if it were Britain

ibedun:
A bustling major city that everybody both far and near, non Igbos/indigenes want to live in and bring up their families, and build their future.

Enugu, Onitsha, Aba, Owerri are cosmopolitan enough now. I believe up to seventy percent of the development of their state is concentrated in those cities. The cosmopolitan area of those cities.is now massive. There is reason to believe they are no less than half of Ibadan each.

ibedun:
When will Igbo create and develop a cosmopolitan city in Igboland (their ancestral land) ? Thats the real question…..

What do you mean there are no cosmopolitan cities in Igbo land?. What is your definition of the word?