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jln115:
Jap precisely this one mate!! and yes it a forum!
Got banned twice for trying to post this link!

well I survived it, this is nairaland not randyland.

jln115:
For everyone wondering were @Lezz gets his kak about the borderwar.................He gets it from a Forum and claims it to be the most accurate accounts of the Border War in existence!!

Link provided by @Lezz: http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=49114go

When I dropped the source for you, everyone could as well see it. Your screams of announcement of discovery is FALSE and misleading, typical South African.

And what forum are you talking about, do you mean a forum like nairaland?

The facts are undisputable, the details clear and names and commanders where boldly written. There was also another revelation, South African didn't even led that war as my last post revealed.

jln115:
Hey buddy!!!!welcome back from your ban!
Anyway ignoring all that racist bullsh.t you posted above!

Where's that source of yours?

Take more :
[b]


Battle of Quifangondo
10 November 1975
Decisive Allied strategic, tactic and moral Victory. Luanda was saved, the FNLA was destroyed, the South African invaders were forced to retreat.
When the fate of the Republic was in danger, it was this battle that changed the fate of the war.
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A coalition of 2000 counter-revolutionaries of the FNLA under Holden Roberto, 1200 Zairian soldiers of Mamina Lama, 120 Portuguese mercenaries of Santos e Castro, and 52 South Africans of Ben Roos were faced by 850 Angolans and 88 Cubans (sometimes reported 188 by error) and a single Soviet officer, under the command of the Angolan General Ndozi and the Cuban Raul Diaz Arguelles. Sometimes it’s claimed the presence of a group of 200 Katanguese, fighting against the FNLA.
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Cuban forces ambushed the enemy using 6 rocket launchers BM-21. It was an unexpected weapon and the enemy did not even reached the Cubans-Angolans.
It was a massacre, almost all the FNLA soldiers were killed by the rockets, mortar’s and light fire, the white racist soldiers used them as cannon’s fodder and only 5 Portuguese mercenaries were killed. 6 jeeps and 20 Phanard armoured were destroyed or abandoned.
Despite most of the FNLA fighting-force was reported as destroyed, a Polish source claims that actually FNLA suffered only 120 dead.
The 3 South African guns of 140mm didn’t fired, while one of the two ex-North Korean guns of 130mm of the Zairian detonated at the first salvo killing the soldiers around it because it was not cleaned and repaired.
Only two Cubans were wounded and the Angolans suffered 2 wounded and 1 dead, killed while he was moving out from the trench.
Another pro-Angolan advisor was wounded, the only Soviet that took part at the action.
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This important victory, nick-named by the enemy as the Road of Death, was the end of the enemy chance to destroy the growing socialist African movements and the hope of all the coloured people under the racism and was probably the battle with the main big difference between casualties, with one dead to an extimate of two thousands dead. It was almost the end for the counter-revolutionary FNLA group, known to have ethnic groups notorious for bloody massacres against civilians (including episodes of cannibalism ).



Map of the battle, from Wikipedia.

[/b]

jln115:
Hey buddy!!!!welcome back from your ban!
Anyway ignoring all that racist bullsh.t you posted above!

Where's that source of yours?

and while you ponder on that source enjoy this little excerpt:
Disclaimer:
The Internationalist campaign of Cuba in Angola is often portrayed in some internet sites and articles according the point of view of former members of the South African (Apartheid government) Military, the SADF: such sources glorify the war machine of one of the most brutal regimes of the last century and stain the historical memory of the freedom fighters that fought to knock down the racist regime. Such elements will ever try to make such works, in desperate frustration after the loss of privileges of the white conservative minority.
Regardless their futile attempts, the ultimate and final downfall of the racist regime has put an headstone on these nostalgic, while the Cuban Revolution goes on and the African countries

jln115:
Hey buddy!!!!welcome back from your ban!
Anyway ignoring all that racist bullsh.t you posted above!

Where's that source of yours?

you mean you never got it, why?http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=49114go read and see if it's a forum.

Msauza:
That's your own illusional believe that if you are black then Africa belongs to you. What about Arabs, Ethiopians, Somalis and others? Do we say that they are not too black to be Africans? Man you are still stuck to an old believe of Rastafarian religion of believing that the world is only reserved for black man. Grow up and accept the fact that SA is the only multi racial country in Africa that brings all cultures, traditions and religions in one, a rainbow nations that brings Africans, Coloureds, Asians, Arabs, and Whites in one combo. Man you need to grow up.

I am going to be real and you're going to get hurt.

You compare the united states to south Africa. Well, they both share something in common; the scum of the black race.

America is still seen as a white country whose military, economic and technological superiority are all driven by the white man.

Blacks make up 13% of the population which put them roughly within 60 million people but they never managed to make their mark outside music and sports despite being in the land of the free and most technologically advanced country on earth.

South Africa in all honesty was built, organised and structured by the anglo-dutch as an extension of Europe over 300 years ago.
despite blacks being over 90% of the population. It was Europe away from Europe.

Then in 1994 apartheid become unpopular. Black southies were asked to partake in civilised conduct and they voted themselves into power via population count.

South Africa has been nose diving and free falling in all possible indexes. From a stagnant economy to poor organisation; from crime to city-decay; from corruption to mismanagement; inefficiency to poor standard of education; infrastructural decay to urban crimes, mass sexual to other sexual maladjustments. Whites are fleeing from Johannesburg to sandton as blacks move in.

Anglo-dutch companies are fleeing south Africa due to harsh ANC policies and setting up shops in other African countries, especially Nigeria. Blacks are mismanaging firms, institutions own and built by anglo-dutch.

There's no single aspect of the economy, society or institution the anglo-dutch built that the blacks have improved upon.
instead they brag and boast in Africa of what the anglo-dutch had built and seek to intimidate others with it and yet lacking in ideas on how to improve on them.

Consequently, and rightly so, the world still views every good thing that comes out of South Africa has a credit to the anglo-dutch. Just as any wonderful piece of innovation from the US is automatically tied to the Anglo-Saxon or whites.

That is why south Africa lacks legitimacy in Africa. That's why she isn't a leader. That is why she cannot encourage and spur Africa to greatness. South Africa has had a peaceful and smooth "democratic" transition of power
for 21 years but yet the world reacted in Nigerian just concluded general elections as if it were the first of its kind in Africa.

It is because the world is waiting for an African magic and leadership which credit can be given to african without the proverbial feeding bottle of the white man; something the world can report in their tabloids and say, AFRICA HAS DONE IT. That's what south Africa can NEVER GIVE TO AFRICA. she isn't a country of white/black/Jewish etc etc. She is almost 90% black. And she can't give credit to the entire black Africa when she can't even differentiate between civil rule and democracy, can't understand international politics or build an economy.

Like the ISS report says, south Africa is "punching above their weight". That's what you guys are doing here with a blatant show of ignorance , misled by a confused and misguided educational system which couldn't adjust to the realities of pre-apartheid South Africa and post -apartheid South Africa.

Msauza:
THE TRUTH IS THAT BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS ARE DEVELOPING SOUTH AFRICA WHERE WHITES WERE TOO RACISTS TO TOUCH AND THAT'S TOWNSHIPS. WE HAVE THE MOST DEVELOPED TOWNSHIPS WITH SHOPPING MALLS, TARRED ROADS, SEWAGES, LIBRARIES, PUBLIC HOSPITALS, FREE HOUSING, STREET LIGHTS BECAUSE OF BLACKS.

WE ARE THE HOPE OF AFRICA.

SO WHAT DID YOU SAY AGAIN?

Firstly you didn't have to write in bold letters; we aren't blind like you.

South Africa still has the tag of European extension globally. That's the perception and no amount of banter can change that . South Africa isn't even a TRUE leader in southern Africa. The Angolans have got a better legitimacy and heritage than you.

You can scream now.

DictatorZAR:
Why because you said so.

So tell us what gives any african nation legitimacy over another. To you any nation even the US with its now +40% Latin/Spanish speaking population should now also consider itself not legitimate.

Guy you have some serious issues and by my account its beyond a mental condition.

your IQ and comprehensive skills are as low as your Zulu bush hut.

Your account doesn't matter. You and your 90% anglo-Dutch dependants are a disaster waiting to happen.

Rookie-clown.

Patchesagain:
We dont have to.

Everyone gets issued the same kit at basic.

hahahahaha. Show us.

Patchesagain:
All this emotive nonsense and no facts.

Nigeria is the laughing stock of Africa. Pompus buffoons waddling around pretending to be global players when they cant even stop their own country form disintegrating.

your truth-absorber is awfully thin.

South Africa is the cancer to the entire black and coloured race. A proof of the wrongly held notion that the black race can't think.

A 21st century burden to the White man.

Here's BBC report on Nigeria last week.http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32158860

Patchesagain:
That is a study on the war in angola compiled by the USMC

When you compile a study to learn you dont write propaganda - you write fact, or else your study is useless.

Two reports are the basis of all other sources of that war. No. 1 is the south African press which is the most prominent in Africa and No.2 the released accounts of Chester Crocker of the American government to the CIA. Now these two accounts amounts formed the bases for a propaganda which seek to entrench lies for facts.

It's no coincidence that dozens of sources claimed the the sandf generals deliberately sent out FALSE information for fear of domestic political tensions back home. But this last source went into detail more than any other to reveal the TRUE account and casualties of the war.


The truth is that south Africa had a motive for lying about the war situations. Angola and Cuba DID NOT.
END OF STORY

EVarn:
you nailed it.there is something about Nigeria that makes the world stand still and foam in the mouth with envy.

yes, chief the world profits from negative reports about Africa. It sells well. So unfair trade policy, harsh globalized trading arrangement and interference on our domestic issues has been a selling point and excuse for western powers to bully and dictate for us.


South Africa is still seen as ready-made food cooked by the white man and served for blacks to eat. Unfortunately the blacks in SA made a nuisance of that meal. After relishing the ones cooked by the anglo-Dutch, they haven't come up with anything near what the Dutch left except corruption, crime, city -decay, impulsive and reckless international statements, disorderly society.

Nigeria on the hand, is the legitimate hope of Africa. The only country which can spur Africa to greatness. You should have seen the reaction of Zimbabweans after our presidential elections . So the West have to tarnish our image with the power of their press. But it is game over, China, India, south Korea and Israel have already discovered what a behemoth Nigeria is, and now the west has rushed in not to be left behind.

Last week, the BBC just confessed Nigeria as the most important country in Africa.

jlnAgain:
@Lezz i actually got bann.ed twice posting the source of your excerpts!!
The fact that you quote from a f.orum, and claim it to be fact,shows that youve stooped
even lower than i can have imagined!

Nothing seems beneath you people
why did you assume it was from a forum?
simply ask for the source and it shall be given you.

Patchesagain:
Courtosy of an official USMC study on the border war:


In 1978 the SADF conducted two coordinated raids against SWAPO in Angola.Operation
Reindeer consisted of an airborne assault on Cassinga, a training base morethan 250 kilometers from the border. It resulted in six hundred dead and 340 woundedinsurgents. Simultaneously, a mechanized task force comprised of fifty-four armoredvehicles conducted a successful raid against a headquarters (HQ) and log base atChetequera.
Reindeer produced excellent intelligence on PLAN doctrine, organization,and strategy. It also demonstrated the vulnerability of light airborne forces; when theCassinga task force withdrew via helicopter, it was under heavy pressure from FAPLAarmor units.
19

Operation Sceptic
in 1980, was a three-week raid on SWAPO HQ by four mechanized battalion combat groups. The groups destroyed, over a period of four days, ahuge base area more than two thousand square kilometers in size. The goal of theoperation was to force the insurgents to move further away from the border area andcomplicate their access to the Ovambo population in Namibia.
Sceptic killed 380 guerrillas at the cost of seventeen South Africans; it also produced hundreds of tons of captured ammunition, weapons, and equipment.
20

Protea
in 1981, was another three-week operation conducted by six SADF combatgroups. During this raid the SADF fought a combined FAPLA/PLAN force in a series of set-piece battles. The South African combat groups mauled two FAPLA brigades,destroyed three hundred tons of ammunition, and captured eight T-34 tanks, three PT-76amphibious tanks, three BRDMs, one BM-21, twenty-four 76mm guns, sixteen AU-23-2antiaircraft guns, fourteen M55 20mm AAA guns, and two hundred trucks. FAPLA'sdefeat forced it and SWAPO to withdraw far from the southern edge of Angola.

Daisy
a follow-on operation derived from Protea's intelligence windfall, saw SADFfighting columns roam four hundred kilometers into Angola to destroy a SWAPO HQ atBambi and a base at Cherequera. It took four days to get to the targets; once on site themechanized columns spent twelve days razing the base. Due to the damage induced by Protea and Daisy SWAPO terrorist incidents in Namibia declined twenty-eight percentduring the following year.

Operation Askari
in 1983-84, was designed to neutralize the growing threat and disrupt the logistic support necessary for the annual infiltration of insurgents into Namibia. Four SADF battalion-size mechanized task forces combed southern Angola over a five week span. On 3January 1984, the SADF fought 11 Brigade (FAPLA) and for the first time, two Cubanbattalions, in a hard fought engagement. The South Africans killed 324 enemy and captured eleven T-54 tanks and much other combat equipment for the loss of twenty-one men.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52703286/South-African-Defense-Forces-SADF-USMC-Analysis-of-Operations-in-Angolan-War#scribd

why am i not surprised. This is exactly what my source called the doctored report of the war by sandf generals to suppress growing tensions at home. Chester Crocker knows better.

jln115:
"Oh......and how on earth will a Nigerian envy a south African?"
Healthcare
Education
Infrastructure
Entertainment
DSTV
Beaches
Wildlife
Hotels
Technology
Sport
ect
ect
ect

Basically every thing really!

Healthcare? Your citizens are the most HIV infected in the world, your health care is a 0. But I no you must be talking about few private hospitals own by Anglo -Dutch.

Education? What nonsense? The vast majority of your population are pap guzzlers too busy feeling the victim of anglo-Dutch oppression and thinking of stealing their companies and running their firms to the ground to get any proper education. Nigerians on the other hands are Nobel literary winners being the most educated people in the America.

Infrastructure? I could give you that. But we all know all the cities the anglo-Dutch built for you are turning into slums. Fact.

Entertainment? You are a hopless slowpoke running out of point. Nigeria remains the entertainment headquarters of Africa. Channel O broadcast us FREE OF CHARGE.


DSTV? how does that change the fact that you're no. 2 in Africa? Your petty mindedness is alarming.


Beaches
Wildlife
Hotels , Stupid criteria not worth the efforts of disputing. You really are silly.

Technology? Not anymore, all your companies are foreign and the few left are all Anglo Dutch, son. You have nothing.


Sports? What are you taking about. Football and track and field we remain your superiors and those are the sports Africa care about.


I hope you have read the report by ISS ? We remain your superior and that report happened to mirror my prediction last year.

South Africa is an ignorant, misguided nation with no sense of international play, tact, and power. A country ran by blacks who went to school too old, too late and who seem confused picking up where the anglo-Dutch left off.

jln115:
"The account is the most authentic ,detailed , battle by battle account of the war yet.

I must say i expected you would say that, your lack of comprehension skills would make it nearly impossible for you to identify any discrepancies in your excerpts.

When your generals are cowardly liers, the predictable outcome are citizens who read FALSE military history to become glory thieves and spun their stark ignorance for the world to see

jln115:
Please keep them coming, it makes for a very entertaining read!

your attempt at selling out a comfortable read is lame.

andrewza:
By proof I mean can your source proof it. I can put down a source that says the US military is invading Texas. There are lots of wak jobs out there.

take the pain to read through the sources. Chester Crocker was a high level american diplomat fingered in the allegations.

AugustineAgain:
Simply because that was the original argument in my comment, South Africa needs to send a white-man South African citizen to challenge a black Nigerian. Your balcks and coloureds do not have the brains to challenge a Nigerian in intellectual debate....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LBn2S3mgjo

And the blacks and coloured make up almost 90% of the population.

South africa do not have legitimacy here in africa .

jl115:
DUDE all you excerpts are from a forum!!!
And the most hilarious thing is, you claim that the accounts are the most authentic ,detailed , battle by battle accounts of the war yet.

you really have to believe they are from a forum because it is pure horror for you. It is the most vividly written account of the war, my boy.

And this account ,unlike others which stipulated that your shamed and humiliated military attempt to rewrite that war history with help from American Chester Crocker, went further to give us exact figures of dead, injured soldiers, and also number of tanks, war planes and other vehicle destroyed, seized and repaired.

Where is your grace, jln115?

jln115:
Uhm.....did you read your excerpts?
They are some of the most biased and poorly written pieces of sh.t ive ever read, the person who wrote these excerpts didnt even try to make them even remotely believable.

TAKE MORE:

[b]27 June Third ambush
It was the last main action of the war, and the last armoured vehicles battle of the War.
A mixed group of Angolans and Cubans formed by 30 men (part of the Cuban 5° Battallion of special forces, with the same Cuban source that claimed that actually Namibians of the SWAPO joined them) with 3 armoured vehicles BMP-1 attacked the 61 Mechanized Battalion of the enemy, formed by 70 men and 8 Ratel vehicles.
The South African neither understood what attacked them.
The BMP-1 fired together the RPG-7 rockets all together, and 4 Ratel were destroyed. The enemy escaped, suffering 20 killed and leaving behind an intact Ratel that was captured, (Another Cuban source reduce the number of Ratel with 3 destroyed and one captired) they reported to be attacked by 600 fighters, with 35 tanks, and claimed to have killed half of the attacking force, admitting 12 dead. That was the most ridicule attempt of the enemy propaganda to hide a failure.
The Angolans and Cubans claimed to be killed were 10 times the actual number of fighters involved in the battle and no tanks took part in the action. A second enemy columns of reinforcement was then bombed and destroyed by MiG-23[/b]

jln115:
"Oh......and how on earth will a Nigerian envy a south African?"
Healthcare
Education
Infrastructure
Entertainment
DSTV
Beaches
Wildlife
Hotels
Technology
Sport
ect
ect
ect

Basically every thing really!

Nice try but I refuse to have you change this topic. Back to Cuba smoking your azz.

jln115:
Uhm.....did you read your excerpts?
They are some of the most biased and poorly written pieces of sh.t ive ever read, the person who wrote these excerpts didnt even try to make them even remotely believable.

The account is the most authentic ,detailed , battle by battle account of the war yet. It is fair to all sides and even corrected some accounts that was erronously reported in favour of the Angolan troops.

You're just too short and weak to carry the weight of truth.

jln115:
@Lezz Im actually extremely jealous of South Africa, thus i post blatant lies about South Africa to make myself feel better for being Nigerian.I do this because i know no other means of dealing with my emotions and insecurities.I am in desperate need of psychiatric help!!\

And btw you can keep your excerpts, they are so false that its actually funny to read!

lol I know you couldn't take it, you are too soft and weak to face truth.

I have plenty of those excerpts left for you.
But I'm going to allow you room for a little recovery then I'll come hit you with some again.

Oh......and how on earth will a Nigerian envy a south African?

jln115:
Bring maar jou uittreksels bra! Dis so vals that dit entilik nogal fokken snaaks is! Hope i conveyed my amusement well in Afrikaans.


"I told you your military war history is written in falsehood and lies"
So our history is written in falsehood and lies, BUT Cubas history is 100% correct and accurate, especially regarding the Border war.

Cool story bro!!

lol It's. A 100% more honest, believable and pious than yours.
And your government then had a motive for lying; the government was near pariah state with opposition and civil disturbances. The war was actually to encourage the apathied regime. Any real report of the TRUE situation on the battle ground would have been a disaster for the government.

@jln115 I'm not happy when you don't quote me, when you turn silent and break the flow of spontaneous response.

Take some more excerpts. Don't forget to share the good news with your fellow compatriots.




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4 May First Ambush
The first operation started when a group formed by 60 Cubans and 21 Angolans attacked the Second Company of the 101 Battalion of the SWATF. Cuban sources claim that the Angolans were all members of the Special Forces and that actually Namibians (and not Angolans) took part at the ambush with their experienced members of the explorative battalion “Tiger”.
The enemy suffered a total surprise and escaped under the fire with poor resistance, after losing 30 dead and one soldier captured, 5 Casspir vehicles were destroyed and 1 captured intact. The remains of the column were again hit and destroyed by a MiG-23 that exterminated them on the way for Lubango.
Obviously the enemy propaganda admitted only 7 dead, claiming to have killed half hundred Cubans.
It was also a Political move, to claim the only Cuban presence during this offensive

jln115:
Easy math: you said we lost 11000 troops and CIA mercenaries in the first post i quoted.
Then you said we lost 9000 troops in the second post i quoted.
Thus 11000=SADF+Mercenaries and 9000=SADF
Thus 11000-9000=2000 CIA Mercenaries killed!

you are strange my boy, very strange. HERE IS A MUST-READ FOR ALL PARTICIPANT.




[b]23 March 1988 Sixth Attack
The last enemy attack, a disaster known between the South African as the Disaster of Tumpo
Again the UNITA assaults were only a carnage, while also the SA attack was very inefficient. Their propaganda claimed only one tank destroyed, while admitted that 2 tanks were almost destroyed and other 3 officially lost, because captured intact by our forces.
The capturing of intact Oliphant tanks was an interesting things, but the Cuban officers noted that despite some high technology, they were to slow and clumsy to be successful in the Cuito’s ground.
However at least 1 tank was moved to the Soviet Union to be studied.
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The outcome of the battle was considered one of the main point of the War.
Despite their efforts the enemy didn’t occupied the city, and even if later they claimed that it wasn’t their intentions, the failure of the repeated attacks was an incredible results.
The so-called superior western technology proved to be ineffective against the fighting spirit of the fighters.
Thermal Viewers and advanced systems of an heavy and almost immersed in the mud vehicle against brave African warriors that attacked them with everything they had.
The use of the Air Force stopped every successful action of the enemy, while the use of anti-aircraft weapons, that could fire an incredible amount of bullets in some seconds killed dozens of enemy at the time.
With this failure, and without the support of the United States, the South African regime had to grant everything. Their retreat from Angola and also from Namibia, and the end of their help to the terrorist counter-revolutionaries of the UNITA.
Their defeat was accompanied by rallies of ANC and other groups, as the South African Communist Party. Coloured and white people together to defeat the Racist regime.
A cruel regime, very linked with Israel, that murdered thousands of people during the years of power.
At Cuito 900 Africans were killed, among Angolans, Namibian and South African freedom fighters, and the Cubans lost 39 men. There was the material lost of 6 tanks and 4 MiG.
Probably also some half-buried tanks manned by the Angolans and used as artillery were destroyed, but surely not 24 as the South African claim, that was probably a biggest number then the real total number.
Obviously they claim 4785 Cuban and African human losses, but that’s quiet interesting, how they claim a so defined number.. 4785, not 4800 or 4600. Expressing a precise number without an ending 0 number is a typical use to make seem a fantasy claim as something of serious and scientific. A propaganda tactic used also by other countries in the past.
The UNITA losses were terrible. More then 6000 bandits were killed during the crazy human wave assaults. The SA racists used them as cannon fodder, without mercy and without caring of their allied.
At first the South Africans admitted only 31 dead, together 3000 admitted UNITA losses, and interesting to know it was the biggest number of admitted casualties during a battle.
But then they increased the count, adding other 12 soldiers of the SWATF, South African of the Occupation force in Namibia, reaching so the number of 43 killed.
A recent South African Government research, searched and counted all the families that had sons in the army, and never saw again their boys. Disappeared, missed..
Victim of their own regime, that covered the truth at people.
According to this research 715 South African were killed or disappeared around Cuito during the period of the battle.
About the material losses the enemy admitted 3 tanks, the ones captured during the last attack, and 11 armoured vehicles as lost.
That count don’t considered the hit, damaged or destroyed vehicles that the South African army succeeded to tow away from the front line.
They claimed to have repaired part of them, but at real many of them weren’t repairable and were used as spare parts or simply destroyed.
Their losses were of 24 tanks and 21 armoured vehicles, including the admitted ones.
They lost 7 aircrafts plus 7 other little Recce drones without pilots.
Also the artillery suffered great losses, some of them during the retreat were hit by the MiG-23 raids, other were abandoned on the battle field. Overall they lost 24 G-5 guns and 6 G-6 guns[/b]

jln115:
HAHAHAHA and you expect me to believe this kak!

ebwuwleke pakakwqyuitah. I hope I conveyed my amusement well in Bantu?
I told you your military war history is written in falsehood and lies. I'm giving you the making of your Hollywood war movies.


I shall bring more excerpts for you.

overhypedsteve:
This is How you make a South African panic.

This is pure murder for the south Africans. "Punching above their weights". Exactly what this guys are doing here.

jln115:
You did!

I'm done doing petty arguments with you folks. Hence forth I shall be giving the audience piece by piece excerpts of that war. How south Africa is officially a lying country with no truth whatsoever. And you SA folks here are just as pathetic as your lying disgraced army. Enjoy the read:




[b]29 February 1988 Fifth Attack
Again when the SA attacked the Angolans suffered some losses, as every time exaggerated to 800 dead and 7 tanks destroyed.
And as ever the enemy attack was rejected, but this time for the first time, the radio stations intercepted an official military SA report that admitted 20 dead and 59 wounded only in the battle of the day.
It was now evident and infamous how the Apartheid regime informed only the more rich and prestigious families about the dead of their sons. Many South African parents, that had not many links with the dictatorship, received no information and in some case also threats, imposing silence.
The 17 March, Ernesto Chavez on his MiG-23 is shot down and killed by a South African anti-aircraft weapon, a Ystervark of 20mm. It was the only victory of the South African anti-aircraft defence.
The 19 March during a lone Recce mission the Mirage of Willie Van Coppenhagen crashed and the pilot was killed. The enemy didn’t know the cause and supposed an accident, but at real it was shot down by Angolans.
[/b]

andrewza:
I am asking where 2000 CIA mercs where killed. We all know the CIA was in Angola. They gave UNITA Stingers but refuesed to give us since we would reverse engineering them. Probably why we kept our captured SAM systems.

circles of denial do not change facts.

I never gave a figure of CIA mercenaries that came to help you but they were there on your behalf and even dropping air supplies from American base in Zaire.