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Prosper123:
so a pastor cannot at least speak against Muslim/Muslim ticket that is against Christianity in his country. Is that what you are saying. Please don't be a hypocrite. He must not call a name of a candidate, but truth must be said. Some people will hate and even leave your church but you have spoken the truth. Don't you think? Church is the pillar of truth. And truth hurts. We can't because we don't want to lose our reputation and members and not speak the known truth.

Even though I didn't read from the person you're quoting, but your response is simple and well said. A good summary of the entire truth.

When you can't stand up for Christianity, sit down and keep quiet cus you aren't a real Christian.

sreamsense:
Without mingle words, I am sure you must be obidient/biafran or Ipob sympathizers because among them are inverted thinkers like you. Set of people that can believe kanu rubbish prove of Buhari without questioning him. I am sure you are saying all these rubbish because you want pastors to choose Obi as their unopposed candidate. Anything outside choosing Obi, you will still come and abuse them. When pastors told Christians to actively go/involve into politics, are they telling members to go only into LP or to line only behind obi? Is LP the only party all church members must belong, you guys are just too selfish and no one can satisfy you. People that come to church are from different political parties that were even existing before LP, according to you, pastors should force other political party members to vote for your only obi so you can be happy? Is that what you want ? 3D-mumu! Pastors need to be neutral as pastor Adeboye maintains that position, obi will come and go, he will soon decamp from LP to another party after his defeat as political protitute, another four year, church should follow him to another party. Few churches that picked side with obi directly will still be insulted later if obi underperform if at all he wins

Firstly, your write-up is too jam-packed together and without proper punctuations, I didn't read much of it. Secondly, from the small I read, you're wrong about every word you wrote.

dat9jaguy:
No single independent thought, always waiting for someone to make a decision for you.
You are an adult with the full capacity to make decisions on your own not waiting for your pastor to tell you who to vote. Obidense too dull.

Ah ah, my guy! You followed me here? I will convert you to an OBIdient oh?! A word is enough for the wise.

Ventura1:
That will only happened in the already tense South East, not even in the south south. Any smell of such if Obi loses will be crushed in the south west.

Not the violence. Peter Obi will win!

I am talking about the outcry and struggle even enthusiasm.

Legitisreal:
As a Christian Brother what makes obi a Christian?

Someone that sells beer and promotes drunkeness which Christianity is against

If we are actually Christian's in this country then obi should have no business using Christianity to campaign

We have been hearing change before not today, it's just a ploy to get power and perpetrate personal regional gratification

If you condemn a Christian cus he take alcohol then you're ignorant of the the Bible, or not a Christian.

Your Pastors that allow fornications and women mounting puppets in Churches and wearing trousers should not talk about alcohol intake, which was never frowned against in the Bible but getting drunk to it and misbehaving.

Show me where he "promotes drunkenness" and I will show you where these other Pastors go against the very words of God they preach, publicly.

Ventura1:
I think they realize their mistakes, the country is not meant for Christians only. I wonder the kind of religion tension that would be in the country if the Muslims have been aggressive like christians are currently doing.

It will be just as it was in 2015 when they wanted Buhari, and in 2011 too when their candidate lost and they started crisis in Northern Nigeria. I was there, bullets passed by me I heard it like the passing of the fastest flies you can think of. Phewwwww!!!!

iLoveYouToo:
The real ones are the ones that endorsed Obi right?

The real ones are they who are true to their words irrespective of circumstances and changing times, not changing "words of God" where their interests align.

Legitisreal:
you are the one that decided to wash your dirty linen in public and bring Christianity for Muslims to be contributing to

All because obi now comes before Christianity

If you were actually a Christian you would read the below

Matthew 18:15

"If your brother sins against you, go, show him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained back your brother.

Obi never came before Christianity, don't lie. He came with Christianity!

I will only speak to a Christian brother as you said, not tribal jingoists and charlatans.

Thanksful:
Osibanjo their candidate didn't win primary.

Funny, now I know why God didn't allow it then. It was borne of selfish interests not true faith, thank God we see it clearly now.

franchasofficia:
RCCG endorsed Buhari in 2015 okay. Go and verify young boy.



You are too young and naive to be discussing national politics.


I repeat, it is the Prophets that pronounce and annoint the next kings in the Bible, go and verify

Many of these people you argue with here are Muslims, they're only talking not cus they give one inch about Christianity but cus they believe they will benefit from this with their Muslim/Muslim candidates.

franchasofficia:
Nobody is saying they must endorse Peter Obi.


Make your stand known. Guide your flock to make the right decision if truly you do hear from God like you always claim.


In the Bible, it is the Prophets that annoint who will be next kings. Prophets help the people of God to make right decisions by guiding them correctly based on what God reveals to them.



Most of you are just kids throwing tantrums without making effort to understand people's outrange against some of these gods of men

Thank you! They put themselves up there and claim God sent them, when we ask what God told them they say we should mind our business and only bring our tithes and offerings. Deception!!

Legitisreal:
it appears adeboye is greater than all Nigeria pastor's that have endorsed obi, if not I don't see why you crying for one man

You guys have prepared alibi again to blame him when what soludo predicted happen to obi

It's not just Adeboye, but he is the perfect fit face of this hypocrisy. I am trying to make this clear now cause by everything I know tomorrow he and his kind will come again and ask for our hand, he specifically will call himself "Christian father". We will show him where Jesus himself say we shouldn't call anyone "father" except God Almighty.

He and his kind are too proud, arrogant and self-serving he has no idea he's not supposed to refer to himself as a Christian father in the first place cus God rejects that. All they care about is "bring your tithes or go to hell!"

I will call out false prophets by name cus Jesus Christ did it and asks us to also.

Legitisreal:
let's even assume adeboye called you which he never did

Chibuzour did igbos vote apc in 2015, 2019

Leave adeboye alone, you people have claimed all top men of God are on your side, it appears adeboye carry weight pass them

Hahahahahahaaaaaa. You people are very ignorant aren't you?! I am talking about Christianity in general and Nigerian politics, you call me Chibuzour.

I am not Igbo by petite minded friend.

Obakoolex:
Sorry no one will miss you

I remember when a group of Redeemed members were kidnapped in Kaduna State, Adeboye came to Kaduna and gave El'rufai all the praises under heaven. A few days later they were released, after wining and dining with El'rufai Adeboye left Kaduna people to their issues, who cares by the way? Definitely not the Baba!

I felt seriously betrayed and stabbed, but then what is remaining of my questions are answered then and there. He used us in 2015, used us a little bit more in mid 2022. Since after his personal hopes were crushed, his candidate insulted, abused mocked and persecuted for daring to contest against "Asiwaju himself", Adeboye went silent and changed his message over night.

Why did he also use the name of Jesus to peddle personal greed in the first place?

I will go back and tell what you just said to my brother who's a member, then I will shout it out to the world to hear. Bye!

Legitisreal:
I thought all the pastor's have endorsed obi

Why is adeboye own different is he your God

Adeboye no be your mate Sha, when una lose u guys would be back to blame him upon all endorsement

When Pst Enoch Adeboye called we all as Christians answered, we did it twice, 2015 and mid 2022. Now entire body of Christ in Nigeria calls, he and his tribal gang are speaking in deceptive unchristian parables.

I will not only call out my age mates who are false prophets, the works of God knows no age group.

JASONjnr:
The other one tried to speak up but was with parables that he claimed doesn't even know the meaning...

Jesus Christ is the king of parables, but even Jesus explains his parables in the same sitting. Any other is not of God cus its not LIKE CHRIST did, he and his parables are authors of confusion.

JASONjnr:
This is very simple...



The Muslims are speaking up, either in the mosque or during their gathering.... The Imams will tell his fellows who to vote for and states the reasons....

But our holiest and anointed ones that gets direct information from God are keeping quiet ...

Tomorrow you expect members to bring offeri g and tithes...

To the people paying tithes and you're earning very little....I pray you receive sense....

The Muslims do not pay tithes and many of them are richer and progressive... But your pastor's will tell you how your blessings are tight to it but will not openly speak up and have you vote for the right candidate that will change this country for the better ...

Not all are actually quite, just those from one section of the country mostly, and we know all of them by name!

Oddfinder012:
3 months ago, they were chanting Christians take back ur country. Get ur pvc and be involved. After dem ginger us finish dem com quite as their preferred candidate no win primary. Tribalism

We know them by name, and will will make sure they never forget this act of treachery and hypocrisy. Nigerian Churches will never be the same again after this elections, I promise you that.

He who is a tribal Pastor will end up with exclusively and only his tribes as members. I will make sure of that, they made it easier already.

Kingpin1000:
With tears in my eyes, I can categorically tell you that you are 99% correct.
This Pastors are humans and they make mistakes too, they get scared sometimes too. When I mean scared, I do not mean afraid to be killed. These men don't want to loose their pay masters. They have loved money more than God.
when last do you hear them preach salvation. Some don't even believe in God any more.

Some people say they should not be forced to talk, BS. They started this last year, they are the ones with the microphone why are they quiet this time around? If you're too tribalistic or bias with a touch of cowardice to talk then drop that mic let someone as bold as the Prophets Elijah, John the Baptist, Daniel, Jeremiah, Paul the Apostle, Moses etc do the talking. Stop outrightly lying and deceiving people according to your mood and self interest.

This struggle will be won, and they will all be put to shame forever. They will not reap where they didn't sow!
They are the new age Pharisees, Sadducees, yes they are hypocrites and deceptives.

Magnoliaa:
Watch the accidental intellectuals come to tag you a part of an headless mob for this opinion...

They can come, I am worth more than a dozen of them!

First of all let me say a little about the philosophy and social construct of religion and politics....

1. There is not a single civilization, culture or society throughout man's history and existence that politics is practiced without the input or contributions of the group's religious beliefs. Not a single! Even today, right now in our time. Religion and politics are like twins! Everywhere! I believe politics has its roots from religion, that's why up till today you still find religious republics, from Earope to Asia, from the Middle East to Africa, the Americas. Everywhere!!
Politics is a form of religion, it is one borne out of service and patriotism to nation as against Service and worship to God.

2. No where in the Bible did God instruct the people or any of his Messangers to not be involved in politics or affairs of the State, and not even criticize. In fact God himself ordains leaders, he himself encourages and gives strength to his people in political affairs in the Bible.

Now to my tittle!

There's a pattern to the particular Pastors being called out now for being "neutral"(they aren't really) and those who were vocal last year before the APC primaries. About all of them glamoured for Christians to get "aggressively" involved in politics last year.

They preached, they shouted, they talked on top of their voices that Christians are too docile and uninvolved in politics, and it was not good for Christendom. They preached in Churches that we should all get our PVCs, we be involved in politics, we shouldn't sit back and watch.

Now? Many of these same vocal Pastors being called out(by their own members) have either gone mute or they entirely change their messages in front of the same people they preach to. Quite surprising don't you think? They now either say "I have never voted!" Or "God did not speak to me about anything! Or "Bala Blu bulaba....!" Or they choose to even act like theres no elections coming. Hypocrisy!!

The Bible said in Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. The Bible allows us as Christians to call them out by name. The Church is not a building, tis the gathering of Christians, everywhere.

IF YOU WILL NEVER STAND AND *SPEAK FOR ME* WHY SHOULD I GO TO YOUR HAND BUILT MULTI MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING SO YOU *SPEAK TO ME?!*

These elections has exposed all of them for who they really are, and we know them and will not forget their names!

fx45:
LocalStandard1, The people are determined. Forces of darkness cannot stop us.

Budaatum, I know you're one of followers of the jackal. Come and see for yourself. The jackal has been cut off

Thank God, it is a miracle!

dat9jaguy:
What is the talk of 'if you don't vote Peter Obi, you do not mean well for Nigeria ', all the bullying of people who don't support Peter Obi.
I am sure you should be able to collect exactly what give out. The irritating thing is you guys are a bunch of Cowards that can never own up your follies.
Peter Obi, I knew him when he was a governor and I experienced his governance first hand as I was working with a multi national company in Onitsha, so you can never tell me anything about the fraud. I bet you were still in secondary school when he was a governor.

That is your point of view. Lets also call the families of the Northerners that were killed during the administration of Tinubu or lets ask Atiku's aids and even Obasanjo how Atiku pillaged and stole whatever he could while a Vice. Lets also look into the long lasting stealing of Lagos State resources by Tinubu till date.

Shall we?

Then let us ask Mr Macaroni and that Yoruba female actress who endorsed Peter Obi how much insults and abuses even threats by Tinubu supporters they received. What about the OBIdient that got seriously injured in Lagos he had to have his hand decapitated afterwards, Les ask him too!

Then let us ask Peter Obi and the OBIdients how they are constantly attacked, insulted and called names for daring to want a new Nigeria. Shall we?

You people are the first to attack, but cause the OBIdients are formidable and plenty, when they come at you you run and shout to the world mischievously.

dat9jaguy:
That is the difference between you and I. I have my preference but I don't jam it down the throat of everyone (for all you know it might not be Tinubu). Show your support but don't force him on people. Please show me where I have ever told anyone to vote for any candidate in this election.
Obidense support your candidate in peace and allow others support theirs in peace, not all these una cheap blackmail.

This guy, you've been pushing for a discuss with me since. Be warned, if I engage you will be converted to an OBIdient in just hours oh!! I warn you.

Show me where you see an OBIdient force his views on anyone, just on example. Did I force you to click this post?

I go convert you oh?!

dat9jaguy:
That there is why you have a false sense of grandeur.
You present yourself as a know it all. Someone who feels he is the only one capable of making good decisions. People make their decisions based on their own experiences and not based on your own experiences, so everyone's decisions should be respected. You feeling only you can make the right decisions shows how shallow you are.
You are just being arrogant in your ignorance.
I attack obidense because most of you guys have this mentality.

You attack OBIdients because they are far more intelligent than you. Just like you're doing now.

You continued to call me "know-it-all" yet I am talking about the qualities of Peter Obi, you have nothing to talk about Tinubu and can't defend his degeneracy, so you resort to emotional blackmail and cheap talks.

You end up showing your support for your candidate is borne out of emotions and personal leanings not of common sense. Thankfully you're few!

dat9jaguy:
You are presenting yourself as a person that does not like injustice that is why you are voting Peter Obi. Hey, not everyone is as dumb as your average obidense.
That's why I said vote your candidate and rest not trying to form Mandela because you are voting a fraud from a marginalized area. Yes the SE needs to have a shot at the presidency but not through a fraud.

The real fraud is someone whose entire existence is sketchy and filled with inconsistencies, coupled with the fact he has to be carried like a dead wood everywhere. Yet that person is whom a few tribalists see fit to install over a nation. God forbid!

I present myself as someone sane with basic knowledge of a credible, hardworking and sellable Presidential candidate, not one who want to buy his way out of everything. Who has never sat for a single interview or acceptable debate about how he intends to lead Nigeria.

Yes, Peter Obi is that most credible and best for the job right now. Deal With it!

dat9jaguy:
So because you come from Kaduna and you support Peter Obi that makes you a 'Mr know it all', who feels however he supports is automatically the best. I have said it you guys have serious delusions of grandeur. Support your Obi in peace and don't try to ram him down our throats.

You people can sabi funny with the way you talk and debate issue really.

I am talking about something, you are saying something entirely different just to topple the real issues presented. Do you think you're save from injustice?

Or are you a child with a phone?

Some people saw my outburst on a previous post and quite a lot thought I was Igbo, they insulted and mocked thinking they hurting me. Hahaha!

Thing is, I have a thing for justice, fairness, equity, even if it's on someone I may not like or even know, or at the expense of a loved one.

I know what marginalization, disenfranchisement, oppression and bullying is first hand. Coming from a State with one of the biggest bully as governor, deep in the North, also the from personal experiences.

I will back and support even if it were Fulanis or Hausa or Yoruba or anyone. In this case it is who the Nigerian State loves to hate, the Igbos.

These entire PVCs are only from a single senatorial district, not the entire State or region. These are what can be found and retrieved. Even though during the PVC registrations there was complains of inadequate or shortages of the machines, still these people who've managed to do theirs were still denied it. Instead it got disposed of! Wickedness!!

I repeat, this is share wickedness!! Your indifference or verbal support to one person's pain is an invitation to your own pain in due time.

Let those with the PVC all come out MASSIVELY and vote Peter Obi for a new Nigeria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvoG67wRZQY

Yes Papa, Igbos most win this elections, or Nigerians most win through the Igbos. I support it, it's their turn to lead this nation.

Anybody that goes against this and votes any other candidate will be disgraced at the polls and after Obi is declared winner Nigeria will work but that person will have problems enjoying the fruits of others' LABOUR till they confess and repent.

PETER OBI MOST WIN AND PETER OBI WILL WIN!

renderme:
Don't you have leaders? Are they cowards? Why cant they talk if you're disenfranchised? Why cant you push them to talk for you? All u do is gossip about yorubas and Lagos all day.

Ignorant f*ck! I don't give a rat's ass about your lowlife, smelly Lagos.

For your info I am not who your small, limited mind think I am.