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OLAADEGBU: Where you are getting it wrong is your misunderstanding of "freedom of choice". Freedom doesn't mean that you are free to commit any sin or crime without consequence, freedom means that you are free to choose not to sin. It means to be free to live for the purpose you were created for.

Nonsense.

You are truly brainwashed if you believe that

[quote author=La_Divalicious]Lwtmb- i haff laff in japanese - trust me you are the ignorant one here, since u are fond of constituting a NUISANCE on virtually every thread. - I know you not young so please act your age for once am pretty sure you are 3 times my age , so stop bluffing and stop cursing your generations. and am sure you are familiar with the Bible passage that says: so the Lord will RETURN your evil upon your own head. so enjoy
Is dat all you want to say? I told you I won’t reply your *mumurized* lmao questions so u can keep stressing your throat or lungs and pouring spit on your screen. And if after reading my posts you still don’t get it I finally understand why our educational standard is low.
You call it a myth? Good for you oh, so why e kon dey pain you? If I decide to believe in it- abegii go chop chicken shuooo- trust me If only the idiots (didn’t call names oo) that are appalled at religious (Christian) issues could channel the same disgust to the government and corruption in the country maybe we can have a revolutionary change. You an atheist inti? Issokay- good for you oo its working for you right? So can you please stop showing your logo online?
why are you even trying to derail this topic? well silence is the best answer hehe adieu,addio,adios mr logicMAN.[/quote]Huh

What is with christians like you and the love of statements with no proof or factual standing?

The same you you erroneously believe that I'm an old man is the same way that you believe that Jesus Christ is God. No proof and factually incorrect.


Anyways, I see that the truth is hurting you. I'll leave you to heal.

401kk: In some (if not most) traditional african societies, it is immoral to not have a belief in supreme beings.

And you wonder why these societies are backwards.

Morality is subjective

ijawkid: If u guys have proof that this has been disputed u can show me references and links or if u urselves have done experiments to debunk what I'm about to write u tell me...

But here it goes...


Myth 1::::. Mutations provide the raw materials needed to create new species. The teaching of macroevolution is built on the claim that mutations—random changes in the genetic code of plants and animals—can produce not only new species but also entirely new families of plants and animals.19
The facts::::. Many characteristics of a plant or an animal are determined by the instructions contained in its genetic code, the blueprints that are wrapped up in the nucleus of each cell. Researchers have discovered that mutations can produce alterations in the descendants of plants and animals. But do mutations really produce entirely new species? What has a century of study in the field of genetic research revealed?
In the late 1930’s, scientists enthusiastically embraced a new idea. They already thought that natural selection—the process in which the organism best suited to its environment is most likely to survive and breed—could produce new species of plants from random mutations. Therefore, they now assumed that artificial, or human-guided, selection of mutations should be able to do the same thing but more efficiently. “Euphoria spread among biologists in general and geneticists and breeders in particular,” said Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, a scientist from the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research in Germany. Why the euphoria? Lönnig, who has spent some 30 years studying mutation genetics in plants, said: “These researchers thought that the time had come to revolutionize the traditional method of breeding plants and animals. They thought that by inducing and selecting favorable mutations, they could produce new and better plants and animals.”20 In fact, some hoped to produce entirely new species.
Scientists in the United States, Asia, and Europe launched well-funded research programs using methods that promised to speed up evolution. After more than 40 years of intensive research, what were the results? “In spite of an enormous financial expenditure,” says researcher Peter von Sengbusch, “the attempt to cultivate increasingly productive varieties by irradiation [to cause mutations], widely proved to be a failure.”21 And Lönnig said: “By the 1980’s, the hopes and euphoria among scientists had ended in worldwide failure. Mutation breeding as a separate branch of research was abandoned in Western countries. Almost all the mutants . . . died or were weaker than wild varieties.”
Even so, the data now gathered from some 100 years of mutation research in general and 70 years of mutation breeding in particular enable scientists to draw conclusions regarding the ability of mutations to produce new species. After examining the evidence, Lönnig concluded: “Mutations cannot transform an original species [of plant or animal] into an entirely new one. This conclusion agrees with all the experiences and results of mutation research of the 20th century taken together as well as with the laws of probability.”
So, can mutations cause one species to evolve into a completely new kind of creature? The evidence answers no! Lönnig’s research has led him to the conclusion that “properly defined species have real boundaries that cannot be abolished or transgressed by accidental mutations.”22
Consider the implications of the above facts. If highly trained scientists are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing and selecting favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent process would do a better job? If research shows that mutations cannot transform an original species into an entirely new one, then how, exactly, was macroevolution supposed to have taken place?

You even look more foolish when you copy and paste nonsense. You went to a pseudo-scientific website to copy this nonsense. You were foolish enough to believe that you copied something that made sense because it had words like "mutation" and "genome".


1) The second sentence is quite misleading so that ignoramuses like you can misunderstand the role of mutation in evolution. Mutation is not the only process or mechanism necessary for evolution. The main driving force of evolution is natural selection, which occurs when the environment picks for the organism which variations are useful by killing off those who haven't got them. Mutations are the source of these variations.

2) Evolution takes place over a period of time. Definitely mutations over a longer period of time would have more drastic changes than one in na short period of time.


3) "mutation breeding" is an entirely different concept which is quite successful;

Mutation breeding is the process of exposing seeds to chemicals or radiation in order to generate mutants with desirable traits to be bred with other cultivars. Plants created using mutagenesis are sometimes called mutagenic plants or mutagenic seeds. From 1930–2004 more than 2250 mutagenic plant varietals have been released that have been derived either as direct mutants (70%) or from their progenie (30%).[1] Crop plants account for 75% of released mutagenic species with the remaining 25% ornamentals or decorative plants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_breeding


4) Your copy and paste seems to ignore that there are many genetically modified crops and animals. These animals and pland different traits from their original ancestors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Genetically_modified_crops
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Genetically_modified_animals

tbaba1234: ^The assignment was not 1-10..... It was 1-100.... 1-10 was only a reprieve when you fail to achieve the first challenge...

Excel spreadsheets did not exist 1,500 years ago and you still take 2 weeks to bring me the result of your failure...

You can whine all you want. I can do this on a larger scale (1-500).

There is nothing special about your Quran

ijawkid: Ok now let me land....

For u and logic boy to tell me and believe that we came from apes only shows how much u berate d human race...

So a white man tells u we came from apes and u believe him....

Ok let me give u some reasons why evolution is such a myth.....

Let me spell out @ least 3 myths on which d evolution theory rests...

We'll analyze each one....

And please its a research work..

I know u guys have done little or no experiments so as to prove evolution...

We are both on d same page...

We are all under the category ""I hear say""....

But let's see what even ur fellow evolutionists have to say about there theory...

And pleasse let no atheist here tell me that not all atheists are evolutionist...

Its either u believe in creation or d opposite(evolution)

Stop and think. You accept all other scientific theories but you stop at evolution because it debunks the bible. Is this not proof that christianity makes you throw away common sense?

Do you reject germ theory? How do you know about germs? It was not until the 19th century that the common man knew what germs were.

[quote author=La_Divalicious]I must say thanks guys 4 taking time to reply and all that, sorry I couldn’t come online cos exams are here again + school stress. For peace to reign have decided to ignore the ignorants and I won’t reply anyone again doesn’t make sense replying, we all have the rights to believe in who or whatever we want to believe in So let's stop all this bickering.. Mind your religion or whatever you believe in that works for you and don't try to shove it down my throat, I just might puke on you.
and @ Logicboy can see all what you wishing your unborn children smh- was about answering your questions, but trust me its of no use and am bigger than that cos i know you won't end it, you'll still show the stuff you made up of you asking same questions over and over again. I still try to figure out your main purpose, its better u believe that there’s a God somewhere so that when u die and find out there’s none u won’t have nada to loose than to live your life to the fullest lying to yourself that God does not exist and to find out on the last day that He actually does, ponder on that.[/quote]Ignorance is a disease.


Your king is the king of the Jews. Better look for how to improve your black azz and stop looking at Jewish mythology!

I'm an atheist and I do not believe in curses.

I still repeat; your children should be slaves like the ones in the bible if you see nothing wrong with biblical slavery. It is only fair.

People suffered as slaves and your God allowed slavery for thousands of years without condemning it.

iv4fb: @logicboy, I thought you were more intelligent than this. All you stated above are peoples accounts about seun, not urs. You haven't seen him. I can as well copy links from google about God to show u but I'm not ready for debate. I thought I conceded defeat and congratulated you this morning on your victory? What else do you want? A "smack down"? If I am foolish for saying there is no Seun, calling you a fool will b an insult to idiots. Lol! before you quote my Bible to say "he that call his brother a fool..." Just remember you are not my brother for I am a child of God and you are a figment of the imagination of Darwin.


Logicboy, u win! Congratulations you are permitted to sink in ur folly!

Tell me, name one non-existent person that has done all these;

1) Numerous photos of Seun Osewa
2) Has the same photo on facebook and family
3) Owns Nairaland and confirmed by news organisations
4) Has done interviews with different people/organisations
5) Has own blog, twitter and Nairaland accounts which he has posts on
6) Runs his own business.




You keep looking foolish.

ijawkid: Oh sorry bro....

But why would they be treating d muslims special around this hood.....

Let every1 be here.......

Me sef d thing tire me.....

Agreed 100%

Zodiac61: If, as you say, morality is subjective, how can you say that both countries are immoral?
Either there are objective values, in which case we can determine morality or immorality, or there are subjective values, in which case we cannot.
(Playing devil's advocate here).

No, you are playing the fool.


Reread my quote again

logicboy: Morality is subjective. That was my point. Both countries are immoral based on many subjective standards

ijawkid: What's d size of d equator??

What's d exact number of galaxies and stars in d universe??......

Where is d proof that u came from an ape...

Logic boy just show me a vidoe of how u metamorphosed from an ape into you.....

If u can't then dnt tell nobody about evolution.....

I need proof my nigga.....

Since we need physical proof all d time for everytin......

Abeg, Ijawkid, go and sleep. I have taught you about evolution enough times and you keep failing. Please, revisit my thread for the proof of evolution;

https://www.nairaland.com/922920/destruction-creationists-olaadegbu-brainpulse-bigd4050

[quote author=V_Official®]debunked do u ever disproof reality?
can 2 + 2 be updated this shows how 'credible' ur judgement cant be...[/quote]What are you talking about? Thomas Aquinas arguments have been debunked.

buzugee: you call what you do debates ? i guess you wouldnt be mistaken for 'the great debaters' anytime soon.
thats a movie by the way. Denzel Washington. crazy movie too. folk getting lynched and whatnot

So what do I do? Whine about christians?

buzugee: that aint what Logic Mind told me. he says you even smoke pawpaw leaves.

Nah, always been an athlete. No time to smoke.

ogbonoeba: The real questions are...
What is morality?

what standard are we using to define morality?

Does morality apply to atheists and agnostics?

How would you as an individual define immorality?

Does stereotype influence our view of morality?

Example: In USA some beaches allow nudity and some hotels in Las Vegas allow women to go topless at the swimming pool. If the local laws say it is okay, do you still think it is immoral?

Morality is subjective. That was my point. Both countries are immoral based on many subjective standards

ijawkid: Where u go shuk head na??

U con scarce like fuel.....

Lol

I was around this afternoon. I posted on some threads.

nairaland is geting boring. I have been banned from the muslim section and Christians here are running away from debates.

buzugee: oh yeah. they like smoking that cheap weed from shrine

what can i say ? you are part of the furniture around here

I have never smoked weed.

LMAO!!


Na so you miss me?

Jamesmelbin: oh? Do I believe there are confused ones anywhere?. One will definately fall to these categories
*you believe God exist and have your own proof
*you believe God dont exist and have your own proof
*you believe God exist, just naturally without a reasonable proof
*you believe God dont exist, and you have no proof
The first two groups are not confused because they could prove what they believe. And, the last two groups are not confused too because they believed and never worried to find any proof.
But if someone believe God exist and still wants to get someone to prove to him that God exists, he might still be filed under the third group. And vice versa.

Rubbish. Only the second group can support their point with logical arguments. Simple; there exists no physical proof of God. Not one.

iv4fb: @Muskeeto, and you were part of the dumb people that contributed to the dumb thread. Well, I've always known atheist to be really intelligent but from the stuffs u spew out, I really don't know. You have your theorems why there was no God and I had mine why Seun don't exist. How does this clash? Don't act frustrated dude, we all have rights to our opinions.

1. If atheism is not a religion why do you guys have all your threads under the religion section? Please move them to the science section

2. If u believe you have a right to say there is no God, I have right to say there is no Seun. If my points look so dumb to you, just know that's how dumb ur points are to me too.

I have proven beyond doubt that Seun exists. You were too foolish to see the flaws in arguing that Seun doesnt exist.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/727407_Seun_Osewa_pngba2423915627190380464b063c9de0e4

logicboy: You are grasping at straws.

1) God does not run christianity. The pope and his bishops/priests run the catholic church, pastors run their churches etc. Does your tithe money disappear into God's hands in heaven? Somebody is behind Seun Osewa's twitter and nairaland accounts.

2) Nobody has photos of God. The may have paintings, images and pictures but not a photograph taken. Seun has photos. Numerous photos on google. How did a fraudster get all of Seun's photos?



3) Nope no proof of that. None. There is proof that Seun started Nairaland. Seun's name is there at the bottom of the website! There are admins that can testify to his starting of the website. Where is God's signature? Who was there when Genesis happened?


4)Huh? God that could not foresee the devil rebelling against him?

Seun Osewa exists. If I want to do business with him, I will see him.

Here is the knockout blow; Seun has family. Heard of facebook? Is everyone in his family liars now?


You have officially been debunked.


https://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/debunked-300x300.jpg

ad245: dude, did you do 'figure of speech' in school?

ok, lets go, its possible all the numerous people that have interviewed him are liars (you cant prove otherwise)
because logicboy have not seen him in person, its possible its a false identity
and dude, people do business with con artists daily.. heheheheheheheh! why will Lawan do business with Otedola?
back to your points

1. There is somebody who run Christianity, there is somebody who run islam, there is somebody who run ayelala, there is somebody who run budhaism,hindhuism and co.

2. A lot of people have photos of their gods, infact some people have their deity in their houses(lol).. (photos are no good points; how can you be sure that the person on the photo is who you think he is? you've not seen him before, remember?)

3. There is someone who started the world

4. that personality knows us all, he know a lot about all of us

You are grasping at straws.

1) God does not run christianity. The pope and his bishops/priests run the catholic church, pastors run their churches etc. Does your tithe money disappear into God's hands in heaven? Somebody is behind Seun Osewa's twitter and nairaland accounts.

2) Nobody has photos of God. The may have paintings, images and pictures but not a photograph taken. Seun has photos. Numerous photos on google. How did a fraudster get all of Seun's photos?



3) Nope no proof of that. None. There is proof that Seun started Nairaland. Seun's name is there at the bottom of the website! There are admins that can testify to his starting of the website. Where is God's signature? Who was there when Genesis happened?


4)Huh? God that could not foresee the devil rebelling against him?

Seun Osewa exists. If I want to do business with him, I will see him.

Here is the knockout blow; Seun has family. Heard of facebook? Is everyone in his family liars now?


You have officially been debunked.


https://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/debunked-300x300.jpg

[quote author=V_Official®]This argument ultimately is unsatisfactory as it confuses the idea with the reality, act with potency.
St. Thomas Aquinas next set forth the five proofs of the existence of God. These proofs are fairly well known:
Motion
Causation
Contingency
Degrees of Perfection
Design

Christian metaphysics, however, esteems vertical causality as the best natural proof of God's existence. Unlike the horizontal series presented in the five ways that stretch back historically until time and space become redundant, vertical causality is proved in the
present moment. That is, the fact of existence, of now, is proof of "God". This is declared since no object is the source of its own present existence, nor is any object responsible for its maintenance in time and space. Metaphysically, every moment is different, no object is the same as it was an instant before. This is because existence in time is particular to every specific moment. The way you were .01 seconds ago is not the way you exist now, for to exist now is a different thing then any other point of your existence. Since existence is not proper to any object, it must be a participation. Existence itself, that thing whose purpose is to exist, allows other things to partake of Existence here and now, in any given moment. The five proofs help define the nature of this Existence (intelligence, etc.) however, the fact that anything exists now is only because of a participation in Existence itself.[/quote]Huh? Thomas Aquinas argument has been debunked long time ago.

Why is there such ignorance among some christians? Only ignorant people use Thomas Aquinas arguments

SNCOQ3: ^^^Actually, their is a universal moral law called the Golden Rule - credited to Jesus Christ.

"do not do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you"

Please research it. Even non-christians acknowledge it to be true.

Ignorance is key to christianity.


The golden rule existed in other cultures/religion hundreds of years before christ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule#Antiquity

@ Benodic and DeepSight.


Two of you have problems. You can not prove God. Both of you are not concerned whether God is real or not. You prefer to remain in ignorance.

Logical arguments against God;

1) Evolution; Evolution debunks the story that man was created. The God of Christianity/Judaism/Islam debunked. Furthermore, women are not made from man's rib. That would make Adam to be the parent of Eve (clone of Adam). Incest!

2) Human suffering; If God wills everything, was it God's will for our Nigerian forefathers to be slaves to christian Europeans? Can God claim ignorance to the suffering of men? People getting whipped, mutilated and raped? Can God claim that he gave freewill to man when he destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for immorality? Transatlantic slave masters were never punished, rather, some of the slave masters recieved compensation while most enjoyed the profit of cheap labour.

3) Why is your own God real? People believed that Zeus is God. People believe that Allah is God. People believe that Sat Nam (Sikh God) is the real God. Are you not an atheist towards the other Gods? You have just as much proof for your God as the rest of them.

There are more but lets stop here for now.

vedaxcool: ^^^

Guy it took you 2 weeks to achieve what you did, the assignment was given for quit sometime

Wrong. It took me 2 weeks to accept the challenge. I could no longer take the taunting.

vedaxcool: Nice, thumbs up, atleast you can finally stop hiding in the religion section and pretendingyou were banned , it took more than 2 weeks to be able to perform this feat, (thats assuming if you did it yourself) using mordern technology and just 10 chapters, which offcourse showed that even when contrived by man, in any case you ignored the part that ask how long it took


tbaba1234:

You still make no sense: grin quit trying abeg..... Why do you like exposing yourself like this?

Your assignment: Use 1-100 (50 odd and even number);;;; come up with your combination of verses.... you can use odd and even numbers too.... cheesy cool Achieve the same balance.... If you can't, i will give a concession, use 1-20.... If you fail use 1-10... Tell me how much time it takes.

The real issue offcourse is always lost in your cries that micmics the sounds of ignorance indeed . . . any case congrats!

It took me 45 minutes with microsoft excel.

I was banned by the MAC daddy himself! Maclattunji banned me.

ad245: yes logicboy, the fact still remains that you have not seem him and you can not prove that he is the author of his own blog besides since you've not seen him you cant prove the pictures are genuine; what if the people who told you about him were lying? what if the people who said they've seem him were also lying? what if all the pictures in circulation were all fakes? I'm a foolish christian? wow! does that make you a foolish human?

heehehehehhehehehehe dont be frustrated pal, i just told you that you won. logicboy is the winner!

Huh? This is good. I want everybody to look at the foolishness and the length that some christians would go to prove that there is God without evidence.

1) There is someone who runs the twitter, linkedin and Nairaland accounts of Seun Osewa

2) There is somebody in the photo of "Seun Osewa"

3) There is someoene who started Nairaland.

4) That person is Nigerian or knows a lot about Nigeria.


Judging from number 1-4, we can conclude that Seun Osewa exists. The only question is if Seun Osewa is a false identity with someone using it as a pseudonym.

However, to assume that Seun Osewa is a false identity would be foolish because, one would be assuming that the numerous people that have interviewed hum and done business with him are liars. Do you do business with a con artist? You dont do background checks on your potential business partners or associates?

http://www.cp-africa.com/2011/03/17/cp-africas-interview-with-seun-osewa-founder-of-nairaland/

ad245: yes logicboy, the fact still remains that you have not seem him and you can not prove that he is the author of his own blog besides since you've not seen him you cant prove the pictures are genuine; what if the people who told you about him were lying? what if the people who said they've seem him were also lying? what if all the pictures in circulation were all fakes? I'm a foolish christian? wow! does that make you a foolish human?

heehehehehhehehehehe dont be frustrated pal, i just told you that you won. logicboy is the winner!

Huh? This is good. I want everybody to look at the foolishness and the length that some christians would go to prove that there is God without evidence.

1) There is someone who runs the twitter, linkedin and Nairaland accounts of Seun Osewa

2) There is somebody in the photo of "Seun Osewa"

3) There is someoene who started Nairaland.

4) That person is Nigerian or knows a lot about Nigeria.


Judging from number 1-4, we can conclude that Seun Osewa exists. The only question is if Seun Osewa is a false identity with someone using it as a pseudonym.

However, to assume that Seun Osewa is a false identity would be foolish because, one would be assuming that the numerous people that have interviewed hum and done business with him are liars. Do you do business with a con artist? You dont do background checks on your potential business partners or associates?

http://www.cp-africa.com/2011/03/17/cp-africas-interview-with-seun-osewa-founder-of-nairaland/

[quote author=Area_boy]I dont get it!!

what has this got to do with anything? [/quote]The muslims were claiming that there was a special coincidence/miracle in the Koran that would give you equal balances if you split the chapters into odd and even.


I told them that it was a basic maths trick. They said that I was wrong and I had no proof.


I then did one on a smaller scale. They ran away

ad245: hehehehehehe, there is no proof that there is a SEUN na, maybe somebody is using his handle.. or maybe a moderator is using that id. there is no proof na. hehehehehehehe.
realistically logicboy, you need help and if God dont help you no one else can, unfortunately you dont believe he's there so you're stuck on your own, celebrate your victory!
i'm not ready for this combat, you win already.

There is no God in your life, no God in your heart, no God in your family, hehehehe! you can even add no GOd on earth. but i have a very big God in my life and i'm so happy for that. you can as well be happy you have no GOd.


logicboy is the winner, he just won the competition that there is no God!

The fact remains that Seun exists. People have seen him and they have a picture. He has his own blog. He is the author of his own blog.

https://techloy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Seun-Osewa1.jpg



You are just another foolish christian




https://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/whybelieveinagod.jpg

ad245: heheheheheehe, He's angry... Its my choice to tell you that sire, you're foolish for saying there is no GOD. freedom goes either way too.

Unfortunately for you, the fact remains that there is not one single proof of God. Not one.


Why did you have to say that I am angry? Is that not a lie? hmmm

ad245: hehehehehehe. its my choice to accept what i want.

Of course, and it is my choice to tell you that your choice is foolish.

Freedom goes both ways