iv4fb: @logicboy, I thought you were more intelligent than this. All you stated above are peoples accounts about seun, not urs. You haven't seen him. I can as well copy links from google about God to show u but I'm not ready for debate. I thought I conceded defeat and congratulated you this morning on your victory? What else do you want? A "smack down"? If I am foolish for saying there is no Seun, calling you a fool will b an insult to idiots. Lol! before you quote my Bible to say "he that call his brother a fool..." Just remember you are not my brother for I am a child of God and you are a figment of the imagination of Darwin.


Logicboy, u win! Congratulations you are permitted to sink in ur folly!

Tell me, name one non-existent person that has done all these;

1) Numerous photos of Seun Osewa
2) Has the same photo on facebook and family
3) Owns Nairaland and confirmed by news organisations
4) Has done interviews with different people/organisations
5) Has own blog, twitter and Nairaland accounts which he has posts on
6) Runs his own business.




You keep looking foolish.

ijawkid:

Oh sorry bro....

But why would they be treating d muslims special around this hood.....

Let every1 be here.......

Me sef d thing tire me.....

Agreed 100%

Zodiac61:
If, as you say, morality is subjective, how can you say that both countries are immoral?
Either there are objective values, in which case we can determine morality or immorality, or there are subjective values, in which case we cannot.
(Playing devil's advocate here).

No, you are playing the fool.


Reread my quote again

logicboy:


Morality is subjective. That was my point. Both countries are immoral based on many subjective standards

ijawkid:

What's d size of d equator??

What's d exact number of galaxies and stars in d universe??......

Where is d proof that u came from an ape...

Logic boy just show me a vidoe of how u metamorphosed from an ape into you.....

If u can't then dnt tell nobody about evolution.....

I need proof my nigga.....

Since we need physical proof all d time for everytin......

Abeg, Ijawkid, go and sleep. I have taught you about evolution enough times and you keep failing. Please, revisit my thread for the proof of evolution;

https://www.nairaland.com/922920/destruction-creationists-olaadegbu-brainpulse-bigd4050

V_Official®:

debunked do u ever disproof reality?
can 2 + 2 be updated this shows how 'credible' ur judgement cant be...

What are you talking about? Thomas Aquinas arguments have been debunked.

buzugee: you call what you do debates ? i guess you wouldnt be mistaken for 'the great debaters' anytime soon.
thats a movie by the way. Denzel Washington. crazy movie too. folk getting lynched and whatnot

So what do I do? Whine about christians?

buzugee: that aint what Logic Mind told me. he says you even smoke pawpaw leaves.

Nah, always been an athlete. No time to smoke.

ogbonoeba:

The real questions are...
What is morality?

what standard are we using to define morality?

Does morality apply to atheists and agnostics?

How would you as an individual define immorality?

Does stereotype influence our view of morality?

Example: In USA some beaches allow nudity and some hotels in Las Vegas allow women to go topless at the swimming pool. If the local laws say it is okay, do you still think it is immoral?

Morality is subjective. That was my point. Both countries are immoral based on many subjective standards

ijawkid:

Where u go shuk head na??

U con scarce like fuel.....

Lol

I was around this afternoon. I posted on some threads.

nairaland is geting boring. I have been banned from the muslim section and Christians here are running away from debates.

buzugee: oh yeah. they like smoking that cheap weed from shrine

what can i say ? you are part of the furniture around here

I have never smoked weed.

LMAO!!


Na so you miss me?

Jamesmelbin:
oh? Do I believe there are confused ones anywhere?. One will definately fall to these categories
*you believe God exist and have your own proof
*you believe God dont exist and have your own proof
*you believe God exist, just naturally without a reasonable proof
*you believe God dont exist, and you have no proof
The first two groups are not confused because they could prove what they believe. And, the last two groups are not confused too because they believed and never worried to find any proof.
But if someone believe God exist and still wants to get someone to prove to him that God exists, he might still be filed under the third group. And vice versa.

Rubbish. Only the second group can support their point with logical arguments. Simple; there exists no physical proof of God. Not one.

iv4fb: @Muskeeto, and you were part of the dumb people that contributed to the dumb thread. Well, I've always known atheist to be really intelligent but from the stuffs u spew out, I really don't know. You have your theorems why there was no God and I had mine why Seun don't exist. How does this clash? Don't act frustrated dude, we all have rights to our opinions.

1. If atheism is not a religion why do you guys have all your threads under the religion section? Please move them to the science section

2. If u believe you have a right to say there is no God, I have right to say there is no Seun. If my points look so dumb to you, just know that's how dumb ur points are to me too.

I have proven beyond doubt that Seun exists. You were too foolish to see the flaws in arguing that Seun doesnt exist.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/727407_Seun_Osewa_pngba2423915627190380464b063c9de0e4

logicboy:


You are grasping at straws.

1) God does not run christianity. The pope and his bishops/priests run the catholic church, pastors run their churches etc. Does your tithe money disappear into God's hands in heaven? Somebody is behind Seun Osewa's twitter and nairaland accounts.

2) Nobody has photos of God. The may have paintings, images and pictures but not a photograph taken. Seun has photos. Numerous photos on google. How did a fraudster get all of Seun's photos?



3) Nope no proof of that. None. There is proof that Seun started Nairaland. Seun's name is there at the bottom of the website! There are admins that can testify to his starting of the website. Where is God's signature? Who was there when Genesis happened?


4)Huh? God that could not foresee the devil rebelling against him?

Seun Osewa exists. If I want to do business with him, I will see him.

Here is the knockout blow; Seun has family. Heard of facebook? Is everyone in his family liars now?


You have officially been debunked.

ad245: dude, did you do 'figure of speech' in school?

ok, lets go, its possible all the numerous people that have interviewed him are liars (you cant prove otherwise)
because logicboy have not seen him in person, its possible its a false identity
and dude, people do business with con artists daily.. heheheheheheheh! why will Lawan do business with Otedola?
back to your points

1. There is somebody who run Christianity, there is somebody who run islam, there is somebody who run ayelala, there is somebody who run budhaism,hindhuism and co.

2. A lot of people have photos of their gods, infact some people have their deity in their houses(lol).. (photos are no good points; how can you be sure that the person on the photo is who you think he is? you've not seen him before, remember?)

3. There is someone who started the world

4. that personality knows us all, he know a lot about all of us

You are grasping at straws.

1) God does not run christianity. The pope and his bishops/priests run the catholic church, pastors run their churches etc. Does your tithe money disappear into God's hands in heaven? Somebody is behind Seun Osewa's twitter and nairaland accounts.

2) Nobody has photos of God. The may have paintings, images and pictures but not a photograph taken. Seun has photos. Numerous photos on google. How did a fraudster get all of Seun's photos?



3) Nope no proof of that. None. There is proof that Seun started Nairaland. Seun's name is there at the bottom of the website! There are admins that can testify to his starting of the website. Where is God's signature? Who was there when Genesis happened?


4)Huh? God that could not foresee the devil rebelling against him?

Seun Osewa exists. If I want to do business with him, I will see him.

Here is the knockout blow; Seun has family. Heard of facebook? Is everyone in his family liars now?


You have officially been debunked.

V_Official®:
This argument ultimately is unsatisfactory as it confuses the idea with the reality, act with potency.
St. Thomas Aquinas next set forth the five proofs of the existence of God. These proofs are fairly well known:
Motion
Causation
Contingency
Degrees of Perfection
Design

Christian metaphysics, however, esteems vertical causality as the best natural proof of God's existence. Unlike the horizontal series presented in the five ways that stretch back historically until time and space become redundant, vertical causality is proved in the
present moment. That is, the fact of existence, of now, is proof of "God". This is declared since no object is the source of its own present existence, nor is any object responsible for its maintenance in time and space. Metaphysically, every moment is different, no object is the same as it was an instant before. This is because existence in time is particular to every specific moment. The way you were .01 seconds ago is not the way you exist now, for to exist now is a different thing then any other point of your existence. Since existence is not proper to any object, it must be a participation. Existence itself, that thing whose purpose is to exist, allows other things to partake of Existence here and now, in any given moment. The five proofs help define the nature of this Existence (intelligence, etc.) however, the fact that anything exists now is only because of a participation in Existence itself.

Huh? Thomas Aquinas argument has been debunked long time ago.

Why is there such ignorance among some christians? Only ignorant people use Thomas Aquinas arguments

SNCOQ3: ^^^Actually, their is a universal moral law called the Golden Rule - credited to Jesus Christ.

"do not do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you"

Please research it. Even non-christians acknowledge it to be true.

Ignorance is key to christianity.


The golden rule existed in other cultures/religion hundreds of years before christ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule#Antiquity

@ Benodic and DeepSight.


Two of you have problems. You can not prove God. Both of you are not concerned whether God is real or not. You prefer to remain in ignorance.

Logical arguments against God;

1) Evolution; Evolution debunks the story that man was created. The God of Christianity/Judaism/Islam debunked. Furthermore, women are not made from man's rib. That would make Adam to be the parent of Eve (clone of Adam). Incest!

2) Human suffering; If God wills everything, was it God's will for our Nigerian forefathers to be slaves to christian Europeans? Can God claim ignorance to the suffering of men? People getting whipped, mutilated and raped? Can God claim that he gave freewill to man when he destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for immorality? Transatlantic slave masters were never punished, rather, some of the slave masters recieved compensation while most enjoyed the profit of cheap labour.

3) Why is your own God real? People believed that Zeus is God. People believe that Allah is God. People believe that Sat Nam (Sikh God) is the real God. Are you not an atheist towards the other Gods? You have just as much proof for your God as the rest of them.

There are more but lets stop here for now.

vedaxcool: ^^^

Guy it took you 2 weeks to achieve what you did, the assignment was given for quit sometime

Wrong. It took me 2 weeks to accept the challenge. I could no longer take the taunting.

vedaxcool:

Nice, thumbs up, atleast you can finally stop hiding in the religion section and pretendingyou were banned , it took more than 2 weeks to be able to perform this feat, (thats assuming if you did it yourself) using mordern technology and just 10 chapters, which offcourse showed that even when contrived by man, in any case you ignored the part that ask how long it took


tbaba1234:

You still make no sense: grin quit trying abeg..... Why do you like exposing yourself like this?

Your assignment: Use 1-100 (50 odd and even number);;;; come up with your combination of verses.... you can use odd and even numbers too.... cheesy cool Achieve the same balance.... If you can't, i will give a concession, use 1-20.... If you fail use 1-10... Tell me how much time it takes.

The real issue offcourse is always lost in your cries that micmics the sounds of ignorance indeed . . . any case congrats!

It took me 45 minutes with microsoft excel.

I was banned by the MAC daddy himself! Maclattunji banned me.

ad245: yes logicboy, the fact still remains that you have not seem him and you can not prove that he is the author of his own blog besides since you've not seen him you cant prove the pictures are genuine; what if the people who told you about him were lying? what if the people who said they've seem him were also lying? what if all the pictures in circulation were all fakes? I'm a foolish christian? wow! does that make you a foolish human?

heehehehehhehehehehe dont be frustrated pal, i just told you that you won. logicboy is the winner!

Huh? This is good. I want everybody to look at the foolishness and the length that some christians would go to prove that there is God without evidence.

1) There is someone who runs the twitter, linkedin and Nairaland accounts of Seun Osewa

2) There is somebody in the photo of "Seun Osewa"

3) There is someoene who started Nairaland.

4) That person is Nigerian or knows a lot about Nigeria.


Judging from number 1-4, we can conclude that Seun Osewa exists. The only question is if Seun Osewa is a false identity with someone using it as a pseudonym.

However, to assume that Seun Osewa is a false identity would be foolish because, one would be assuming that the numerous people that have interviewed hum and done business with him are liars. Do you do business with a con artist? You dont do background checks on your potential business partners or associates?

http://www.cp-africa.com/2011/03/17/cp-africas-interview-with-seun-osewa-founder-of-nairaland/

ad245: yes logicboy, the fact still remains that you have not seem him and you can not prove that he is the author of his own blog besides since you've not seen him you cant prove the pictures are genuine; what if the people who told you about him were lying? what if the people who said they've seem him were also lying? what if all the pictures in circulation were all fakes? I'm a foolish christian? wow! does that make you a foolish human?

heehehehehhehehehehe dont be frustrated pal, i just told you that you won. logicboy is the winner!

Huh? This is good. I want everybody to look at the foolishness and the length that some christians would go to prove that there is God without evidence.

1) There is someone who runs the twitter, linkedin and Nairaland accounts of Seun Osewa

2) There is somebody in the photo of "Seun Osewa"

3) There is someoene who started Nairaland.

4) That person is Nigerian or knows a lot about Nigeria.


Judging from number 1-4, we can conclude that Seun Osewa exists. The only question is if Seun Osewa is a false identity with someone using it as a pseudonym.

However, to assume that Seun Osewa is a false identity would be foolish because, one would be assuming that the numerous people that have interviewed hum and done business with him are liars. Do you do business with a con artist? You dont do background checks on your potential business partners or associates?

http://www.cp-africa.com/2011/03/17/cp-africas-interview-with-seun-osewa-founder-of-nairaland/

Area_boy: I dont get it!!

what has this got to do with anything?

The muslims were claiming that there was a special coincidence/miracle in the Koran that would give you equal balances if you split the chapters into odd and even.


I told them that it was a basic maths trick. They said that I was wrong and I had no proof.


I then did one on a smaller scale. They ran away

ad245: hehehehehehe, there is no proof that there is a SEUN na, maybe somebody is using his handle.. or maybe a moderator is using that id. there is no proof na. hehehehehehehe.
realistically logicboy, you need help and if God dont help you no one else can, unfortunately you dont believe he's there so you're stuck on your own, celebrate your victory!
i'm not ready for this combat, you win already.

There is no God in your life, no God in your heart, no God in your family, hehehehe! you can even add no GOd on earth. but i have a very big God in my life and i'm so happy for that. you can as well be happy you have no GOd.


logicboy is the winner, he just won the competition that there is no God!

The fact remains that Seun exists. People have seen him and they have a picture. He has his own blog. He is the author of his own blog.





You are just another foolish christian

ad245: heheheheheehe, He's angry... Its my choice to tell you that sire, you're foolish for saying there is no GOD. freedom goes either way too.

Unfortunately for you, the fact remains that there is not one single proof of God. Not one.


Why did you have to say that I am angry? Is that not a lie? hmmm

ad245: hehehehehehe. its my choice to accept what i want.

Of course, and it is my choice to tell you that your choice is foolish.

Freedom goes both ways

Area_boy:


you see?, this is the beauty of being an atheist! we all are for different reasons and all have different ways of looking at it. Religionists on the other hand cant think for themselves and only follow what they have been told.


Here's the reason behind that "Fence sitting" action. Scientists can look back and see how the universe was created up on to milli milli seconds of the BigBang. Now there is no general theory for everything else before the Big Bang. is that room enough for the supernatural? no one is entirely sure.


Another reason is the light barrier we face when we look out in space. we can see 13.7billion light years in all directions from earth. Now does that put us in the centre of the universe? very unlikely as we are not even in the centre of our own solar system much more milkyway.

So now Imagine a planet at the edge of that 13.7billion light years diameter, what will astronomers there see? the same 13.7billion is all directions? now you can see the concept of infinitely large universe and the concept of multi-verses creeping in.

If the universe is infinitely large, then it is safe to assume that some distant planet right now will have a "LogicBoy" who is a strong believer in Joseph Smiths teaching (Mormon) HA HA HA HA HA HA


Does that get you thinking now??

For me, I not only think, but know that religion is a figment of our imagination and made up by individuals that claimed to be "wise" and had answers to the world they lived in. Crap!! lol.

lol

ad245: there is no Seun. heheheheheheh! nice concept.

Wow, you people scare me with your ignorance.

1) Clearly, it was a stupid analogy

2) Even after muskeeto debunked it, you still accept it.

Area_boy:

you wrong on this one mate. Let me break it down to the level you can understand (assuming you are a Christian or any religious person)

Both religious people and atheists alike have no solid evidence for the existence of a "God".

Atheists say since there is no evidence, it is bullshit. no God

Religionists have no evidence but I believe by faith. there's God

Agnostics say No evidence but I cant simply believe by "faith". So I am doubtful and will do things my own way until I see proof. They are the guys on the fence

An agnostic is an atheist without balls

SNCOQ3: ^ I commend your response but am actually not interested in the "America vs Nigeria" argument because I believe it died on inception when the poster claimed that morality is subjective. I don't allow my belief to be conditioned by the "Nigerian Factor" or mere indoctrination (doctrine is not always truth)... I'll response to your argument after the days work...cheers.

So, there is one objective set of morality? Is that not the height of ignorance?

ijawkid:

Yeah forlan and suarez play good football.....

1 thing I really dnt like about 9ja is that behind that religious facade lies wickedness and corruption......

Its too painful.....

I mean its either 1 calls God and do d right thing or don't call on God and do d vile things....

U see were pastors and clerics support corruption and tell u God is in control....

The hypocrisy its just do glaring..........

You make too much sense, bro! 100% agree. It is a sad thing to see corrupt pastors and cleric using religion to cover their atrocities.

Still, I wonder why you are still religious

iv4fb: Annoy me? Hahahahahahah not at all. I just felt there is no Seun.


1. Why will he create such a beautiful forum and allow people to spam it. Couldn't he had blocked registration? Maybe the forum just evolved from php
2. lots of petitions and he's not responding.
3.Lots of questions and he refuse to answer, I still remember he hasn't explained the nairalist crash
4. Why didn't he make nairaland so nice that when u type the url, it will start playing 'sweet' music and playing interesting videos?
5. Why is he always taking rubbish topics to the front page
6.Why is he not sharing all the money he's making from nairaland with all of us, after all we are the nairaland? Maybe he's not making anything at all, he's just deceiving us
7.Why is it that he hardly comment?
8.Why is it that he hardly talk to people and only occasionally talk to programmers
9. Why does he regard only programmers? Aint we good too? And
10. Why will he ban/delete somebody that spam his forum isn't he gentle? Why did he allow the user to register in the fist place?


Well, I believe there is no Seun.

I think that you have gone mad. Number 6 especially.

iv4fb: Of course u r too much! Congrats! I know its a pretty tough job fighting the truth. Well done! But I hope that's not what you do for a living sha. Coz you're always here with your arguments, fighting, trying to 'win fights', 'smack down' religionists, 'defeat' christians. So don't worry, there is no Seun!

Calm down. Do I really annoy you that much?