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Religion / Re: Is Nigeria Morally Better Than U.S? by logicboy: 8:46pm On Jun 10, 2012
Is Nigeria more morally upright?

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Religion / Re: Christians, Lets Say We Take Your Childish Stories Seriously.. by logicboy: 8:43pm On Jun 10, 2012
uhonmora:

because much of the old and new testaments were primarily concerned with the jewish people, not until the gospel was taken to the gentile nations.

And you dont find that racist or very foolish? Why would God's book be only concerned with one set of people? God that is supposed to be omnipotent.

Isnt it also stupid that one would classify people into Jews and gentiles as if Jews were the most important people and then all the others (Asians, Smaritans. west Africans) are classified into gentiles?
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 8:36pm On Jun 10, 2012
phreakabit:

Quit being sarcastic about it. You were the one who suggested that every Nigerian(Nigerian based)child was not only corrupt, but poorly educated as well. I however found it quite ironic that on the very same post, you spelt a common word like rocket wrongly.

Moral of the story is : If you have to throw something, don't throw a boomerang.

Ode, when did I suggest that every Nigerian based child was corrupt or poorly educated? Why are you lying?

A simple slip up on the keyboard and my grammar is questioned. I misspelled one word and you're having a riot.


The point was that American children have a better education and better chance of being in a professional job.
Religion / Re: Petition To Seun For The Creation Of Christian And Shia Islam Forums by logicboy: 8:32pm On Jun 10, 2012
LagosShia:

exercising just a little logic would do you good.

is Maclatunji following Islam or his bias and sentiments? please stop generalizing here.there are solutions to identifiable problems.so why take advantage of the sad situation to label people and generalize? that is not fair either.

There are no solutions! Maclatunji is going to be the moderator for a long time. The Shia muslims will suffer under his reign. lol.


You deserve that. You gave Maclatunji the power to operate with bias. If Maclatunji were in a general religion forum, there would be christian and maybe atheists moderators to check his power.
Religion / Re: Petition To Seun For The Creation Of Christian And Shia Islam Forums by logicboy: 8:00pm On Jun 10, 2012
LagosShia, you are getting a taste of your own medicine. Nest time, you and your bros will not ask for a separate section.

See the unlimited power given to Maclatunji? It was only a matter of time before he abuses that power. Imagine the arrogance to ban someone for a long time with no no notification at all. The guy just bans people without even saying why.

This is a disgrace as the whole situation is suggesting that Islamcant even survive on itsown. You got a separate section and there is now fighting in between muslims. Sunni and Shia.


The most irritating part is that Maclatunji gloats with this power. See him laughing and enjoying himself on the petition thread.


I must admit, Maclatunji is a boss. He is the Big MAC. The Sheik of the muslim section. MAC daddy! grin
Religion / Re: Can Satan Pronounce The Name Of Jesus? by logicboy: 7:51pm On Jun 10, 2012
Ayomivic:

I don't know about Lesus but i know Jesus is correct and Hebrew pronounced it to be Yesua, Muslim called him Issah. In my language we pronounced it to be Jesu.So with one you call him the important thing is do you know him? does he know you ? If you know him use any name you know him to be. Demons and evils spirit will bow .

To you, is Jesu a correct pronoucation? No. But my people is using it to fire devils.Come ,come and have a taste of that sweet name JESUS, JESU,YEHSUA it work than charms or juju.


Ignorance is a disease
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 7:50pm On Jun 10, 2012
phreakabit:

Yes! "ALL" children raised in Nigeria aren't properly educated but. . . . .



Another grammar Nazi. I tire for Naija

Religion / Re: Christianity For Christians. by logicboy: 5:38pm On Jun 10, 2012
JeSoul: ^No. I would prefer you all behaved yourselves like adults instead.


Unfortunately, religion is a touchy subject. Even you are not as mature or neutral as you put yourself to be.

The rudest people on this forum are christians and muslims. The religious people. Vedaxcool and Davidylan get away with insults because they dont talk about God in a negative manner. Talkaing about God in a negative manner is not always an insult.


As for your self righteousness, I will excuse you as it is one of the perks of the moderating job. Yo have to appear neutral/right to be a judge.

grin grin grin grin Logic Mind's comment was still praising God. He was submitting his crossdressing fantasies to Jesus. Hallelujah!!
Religion / Re: Christianity For Christians. by logicboy: 5:29pm On Jun 10, 2012
JeSoul: Odunnu, you raised some good points for thought, and as you said, much of it is out of the hands of the mods. The religion section is not the christian section and as such, we all have to learn to play nice together.

Personally, I think a lot of this is a tempest in a teacup. Atheists have been in this section since I've been on NL, its only a recent influx of maybe 4-5 heavy handed posters that open countless threads that make it seem like the section has been run over. I've seen many seasons in the section, so I'm far less concerned. We don't need a new section, maybe Missy's suggestion is within order:


That can certainly be done...at the risk of posters crying 'censorship' and 'intolerance' etc etc. Its really a catch 22. But if that's what the admin says we do, then it shall be done.

Cheers my sisters.



You want to turn to Maclatunji? As you can see, some Shia muslims are boiling over Maclatunji's oppressive moderating. Oppression will always be met by revolution. Always.
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 5:19pm On Jun 10, 2012
omo_to_dun:

And how have those eficos contributed to the development of Nigeria?


Dont mind the fake guy
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 5:04pm On Jun 10, 2012
Myself2:

What's ROACKET scientist?? does it have anything to do with ROACHES

Dumb Nigga really doesnt know what's going down with Nigerian eficos worldwide


Religion / Re: Atheists Are Winning? by logicboy: 4:22pm On Jun 10, 2012
frosbel: Logicboy , are you still thanking [b]God [/b]that you are not an atheist as you mentioned recently, haha grin grin grin

Of course, God made me an atheist.
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 4:07pm On Jun 10, 2012
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 4:00pm On Jun 10, 2012
yony banta: . I agree with u, their law gives them so much freedom such d@ parenting is of no effect & if the child become wayward the pple wil say she is daughta of pastor.


Sharrap, all the respectable leaders in America, were they not children before? Must you beat your children before they are good? Are there not toher forms of punishment?

Even if you want to beat your daughter, there are milder ways of doing that ompared to Creflo's style
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 3:58pm On Jun 10, 2012
poweredcom:
Tell us other way mr councellor this logicboy you are onpoint on ur arguiement on nairaland always I am ur fan but today you fall my hand you praise westerners too much too

Ok so the pastor should start begging her blood around 1 am pls pls and what if the. Case she talks anyhow to him and that grew annoyed. You see she should have not called the cop if she knew whose personality her dad is stupid girl if na naija dem go leave am make she waka for 1 am na body go tell am . She don turn pros be dat na because if she see tins she never taste before she go wan start to go clubbin and join bad gurls in atl .
Remember atlanta is a big city full of bad clubs.

Options;

1) Lockdown the house.

2) Convince her not to go with logical arguments

3) Lie to her that you want to see her fake ID for the club entrance and burn it

4) Bribe her with new clothes not to go clubbing

5) Shout at her for disrespecting you



Impressed?
Religion / Re: Prometheus Has Probably Converted Me!!! by logicboy: 3:54pm On Jun 10, 2012
mimibets: Many laws in the bible were enforced at the time that particular book was written,some laws of the old testament were not applicable in the new testament,same way some laws aren't applicable now. Lot of people ask why there is so much suffering in the world when there is God,there are may reasons for this.One reason is that God is not the ruler of this world,He might have created it but the devil rules the world,how would he have offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if he did not own them? Secondly,the devil has deceived people and turned them from God.People are aware of God's existence but still don't acknowledge Him,He won't force u coz He gives us free will.A barber when asked why God does not do anything about suffering likened it to people walking about with bushy hair even when he declared free hair cuts,not because they don't know the way to his shop but because they have refused to have a hair cut.Same way people die from curable diseases when they could have reached out to a knowledgable person or a doctor.


If you notice, I gave quotes from the new testament as well. The new testament supports slavery and sexism.

Your barber quote is nonsense. People believe in God and still starve to death or die from incurable diseases. Where is God for them? Why should christian children die from suicide bombing?

Why should you not suffer? Why should God let other christians die of cancer but you remain healthy in calabar? Are you more religious or special?



Google is your friend. Find the truth.
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 3:41pm On Jun 10, 2012
poweredcom:

You must be stupid for this statement why do you generalize peoplenow tell me how does a nigerian kid perform in school here and both in europe and usa perfect. Its just that we live in a country leaded by visionless people

As for creflo and his daughter I support him to discipline her you see we humans are not perfect and I am sure creflo is not a bad man to strangle his blood maybe the girls is turning into something else or the kind of party she wants to attend her father don't like it

*Atlanta georgia is a place full of strip clubs and wild party I have seen a porn star who says her father is a preacher infact not one but many

Now ask yourself if you see your girl behaving wayward just because she don dey get breast won't you do tje right thing unless she go just get belle hahaa


Whatever, Creflo got arrested. Nice. Obey the laws and give unto Ceasar.

There were other ways of restricting his daughter. He chose the wrong way
Religion / Is Nigeria Morally Better Than U.S? by logicboy: 3:34pm On Jun 10, 2012
How stupid can people get when they claim that Nigeria is more morally upright than the USA. I noticed this opinion when reading comments from the Creflo Dollar assault case. They were saying that American society is not good for bringing up children. The scientists/Bill Gates/Steve Jobs/religious leaders that are from America, were they not children before becoming adults?

https://www.nairaland.com/959135/creflo-dollar-arrested-choking-daughter



Morality is subjective. The simple answer is that both countries are morally corrupt and we all are too by various standards. Nigeria is number 1 in corruption while America is number 1 in xenophobic imperialism.


Let it be clear that if you think one country is more morally upright than the other for children, you are a biased fool judging on your own parenting style when there are other parenting styles that work as well, if not better than yours.

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Religion / Re: Can Satan Pronounce The Name Of Jesus? by logicboy: 3:24pm On Jun 10, 2012
Ayomivic: There is power in that name.It is a name that demons and evil spirit fear.

This name is not work in the mouth of everybody, only in the mouth of the people who know whom Jesus is.Your friend and other people can bear such name but there is a big diffrent between the fake Jesus and the real and orginal Jesus that we are talking about. If you called your Jesus friend didn't you have in mind the image of whom you are calling? Likewise if you call real Jesus you must know who you are calling. So, the name of Jesus may be useless in your mouth if you don't know him.Remember what happened to the people that Jesus did not know but wanted to cast out demon by the name of Jesus in Act of Apostles 19 : 14-16 but the evil spirit said to them Jesus i know, Paul i know but who are you? The name of Jesus was not only useless in their mouth, the evil spirit also wounded them. By this name peter and paul perform many miracles

If the name of Jesus is ordinary name in your mouth, that shows you don't know Jesus and evil spirit can not respect or fear anything from you.You better come to Jesus now.His name save, heal and pro ect .He know his sheeps and his sheeps knows him.





Really? which pronunciation is the correct one? Yeshua or Jesus or Iesus?
Religion / Re: Atheists Are Winning? by logicboy: 3:13pm On Jun 10, 2012

Atheism To Defeat Religion By 2038
Countries with the best standard of living are turning atheist. That shift offers a glimpse into the world's future.

Religious people are annoyed by claims that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

The view that religious belief will give way to atheism is known as the secularization thesis. The specific version that I favor (1) is known as the existential security hypothesis. The basic idea is that as people become more affluent, they are less worried about lacking for basic necessities, or dying early from violence or disease. In other words they are secure in their own existence. They do not feel the need to appeal to supernatural entities to calm their fears and insecurities.

The notion that improving living conditions are associated with a decline in religion is supported by a mountain of evidence (1,2,3).

That does not prevent some serious scholars, like political scientist Eric Kaufmann (4), from making the opposite case that religious fundamentalists will outbreed the rest of us. Yet, noisy as they can be, such groups are tiny minorities of the global population and they will become even more marginalized as global prosperity increases and standards of living improve.

Moreover, as religious fundamentalists become economically integrated, young women go to work and produce smaller families, as is currently happening for Utah's Mormons.

The most obvious approach to estimating when the world will switch over to being majority atheist is based on economic growth. This is logical because economic development is the key factor responsible for secularization. In deriving this estimate, I used the nine most godless countries as my touchstone (excluding Estonia as a formerly communist country).

The countries were Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, Sweden and the United Kingdom. These nine countries averaged out at the atheist transition in 2004 (5) with exactly half of the populations disbelieving in God. Their gross domestic product (GDP) averaged $29,822 compared to $10,855 for the average country in the world. How long will it take before the world economy has expanded sufficiently that the GDP of the average country has caught up to the average for the godless countries in 2004?

Using the average global growth rate of GDP for the past 30 years of 3.33 percent (based on International Monetary Fund data from their website), the atheist transition would occur in 2035.

Belief in God is not the only relevant measure of religion, of course. A person might believe in God in a fairly superficial way without religion affecting his or her daily life. One way of assessing the depth of religious commitment is to ask survey participants whether they think that religion is important in their daily lives as the Gallup Organization has done in worldwide nationally representative surveys.

If fewer than 50 percent of the population agreed that religion was important to them, then the country has effectively crossed over to a secular majority. The godless countries by religiosity were Spain, South Korea, Canada, Switzerland, Uruguay, Germany and France. At a growth rate of 3.33 percent per year it would be 2041 before the average country in the world would be at an equivalent level of affluence as these godless nations.

If national wealth drives secularization, the global population will cross an atheist threshold where the majority see religion as unimportant by 2041.

Averaging across the two measures of atheism, the entire world population would cross the atheist threshold by about 2038 (average of 2035 for disbelief and 2041 for religiosity). Although 2038 may seem improbably fast, this requires only a shift of approximately 1 percent per year whether in religiosity or belief in God. Using the Human Development Index as a clock suggests an even earlier arrival for the atheist transition (1).

Is the loss of religious belief something fear? Contrary to the claims of religious leaders, Godless countries are highly moral nations with an unusual level of social trust, economic equality, low crime and a high level of civic engagement (5). We could do with some of that.

Sources
1. Barber, N. (2012). Why atheism will replace religion: The triumph of earthly pleasures over pie in the sky. E-book, available at: http://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Will-Replace-Religion-ebook/dp/B00886ZSJ6/
2. Norris, P., & Inglehart, R. (2004). Sacred and secular: Religion and politics worldwide. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
3. Barber, N. (2011). A Cross-National test of the uncertainty hypothesis of religious belief Cross-Cultural Research, 45, 318-333.
4. Kaufmann, E. (2010). Shall the religious inherit the earth? London: Profile books.
5. Zuckerman, P. (2008 ). Society without God: What the least religious nations can tell us about contentment. New York: New York University Press.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nigel-barber/atheism-to-defeat-religion-by-2038_b_1565108.html
Religion / Re: Atheism To Defeat Religion By 2038 by logicboy: 3:10pm On Jun 10, 2012
Like I said atheists are winning!


https://www.nairaland.com/959096/atheists-winning
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 3:07pm On Jun 10, 2012
OlowoTee:
No, being a mere Church goer must have affected your growth. smiley mind you: You aren't a Christian because you go to church, however it is because of your regenerated lifestyle...having received the grace from God to live a Christ-like life. My dear, you need to RETRACE your step to back God!...Jesus loves you. smiley smiley

Why do you judge when you know nothing about my personal life?

I never said that I was a church goer- I was a christian, believed in God and read the bible and lived the life.


The sad truth is that it is all false, when you pray, no one talks back. Thee is not one single physical proof of God
Religion / Re: Christians, Lets Say We Take Your Childish Stories Seriously.. by logicboy: 3:04pm On Jun 10, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:
ok christians, lets say we take your childish stories seriously, then why is it that our so called ancestors: Noah, Ham, Shem, Japheth, etc., had Jewish names. why not Indian, African, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, etc.., names why all this rascist ideology so are you saying that Japanese are descended from a bunch of brainless lazy ethiopians By the Gods, WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT angry

Watch how christians will run away from this thread. They dont like to be told the truth on the flaws of the bible.


If God is for everyone, why did God only appear to people in the middle east/north Africa?

Why did God neglect West Africa, Japan, South America etc.


Sorry, christianity is a racist religion.
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 2:59pm On Jun 10, 2012
stagger: I recall an episode when I was still working for a boss 10 years ago. He had very important visitors who came for a business meeting. My boss's 7 year old son happened to be in the premises at the time. He got hold of the key to the conference room, locked us all inside and misplaced the key.

Words cannot describe the embarrassment we felt in that place. As the door was finally broken open, the head of the delegation berated my boss publicly.

"My friend, you are a successful man, but you have failed as a father. You have obviously allowed your children to become wayward, and this is a shame. I would advise you, if you cannot train your own children, send them over to me for a month and I will straighten them out for you. But let me tell you, you have a big problem on your hands".

I cannot forget those words ever, said in public to the hearing of everybody by the head of the delegation to my boss, who was speechless.

It is better to curtail the excesses of your children in the privacy of your own home than to have yourself publicly disgraced.

It is very obvious that Creflo Dollar is trying to enforce things he should have done years back. For a daughter to challenge her father's authority and even call the police on him after discipline (extreme or not) is something that is inconceivable in a proper household.


Your boss is a fool and the delegate head is an arrogant azzhole. What right does he have to talk like that to the Boss? Family is a personal thing.

Children are sometimes mischevious. The child was 7 years old. What does he know?

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Religion / Re: Prometheus Has Probably Converted Me!!! by logicboy: 2:55pm On Jun 10, 2012
mimibets: Abraham marrying sarah,what was the world's population at the time? Nearly everyone was related.About the rest,if u read lower,they were reprimanded by GOD and were remorseful and forgiven.The bible is the one book that has stood the test of time,the most read book.There will surely be conspiracy theories but if u realize wat this theories are for u'll hold on fast to the promises of God.At this time when the world is falling apart,it gives me strength to know that i have a greater force that is on my side.


So God could not create millions of people to populate the world naturally? He chose the other option which would be incest with a small group of people.


Furthermore, you should never believe that you have a greater force on your side. That is selfish and arrogant. The people starving in calabar or millions dying in Sudan, dont they have God on their side? Or are they not religious enough?


You are young and you are on the internet. Google is your friend. Ask yourself if there exists a single proof of God and read the bible if the bible is not flawed.

My favourite verses;


Slavery


Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"



Sexism
(it's good that you're a woman)

1 Corinthians 14:34
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says

1 Corinthians 11:7
A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man.
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 2:35pm On Jun 10, 2012
frosbel:

That is what they told you 'ol chap.



That is a fact and you are ignorant.


The bible was compiled by catholics. Google is your friend.
Religion / Re: Atheism To Defeat Religion By 2038 by logicboy: 2:32pm On Jun 10, 2012
frosbel:

Without the forerunners of technology , your idols such as Bill Gates and Steve Jobs will be nothing - fact !!

Funny how they can take concepts established by men who believed in God and turn it into a success while shunning the God these great scientists believed in.

logicboy , please let us agree on some logic here !!


Funny that you did not mention

Darwin or Einstein. Did they believe in the christian God?
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 2:29pm On Jun 10, 2012
frosbel:

But , but .... Catholics are not .......


The bible that you use was compiled by catholics. Ignorant hypocrite.
Religion / Re: Prometheus Has Probably Converted Me!!! by logicboy: 2:27pm On Jun 10, 2012
mimibets: Have u ever thought about the part not being truly part of the whole but infiltrates the whole to give it a black name? The bible says in the last days,false prophet will arise for the sole purpose of leading men astray. Why do u look to the wrong for inspiration?in the same bible there were men of faith,men that lived lives worthy of emulate,why don't u look to those?


If the bible is not true, then the christian God is a fake.

If the christian God's first prophets eg Abraham (incest with Sara), Moses (genocide of midianites), Solomon (polygamy in excess), and David (adultery) then God is a fake
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 2:18pm On Jun 10, 2012
frosbel:

You were never a Christian to begin with !!


Judge not, Frosbel.


I was a catholic for 22 years. You dont know my personal life
Religion / Re: Atheism To Defeat Religion By 2038 by logicboy: 2:17pm On Jun 10, 2012
frosbel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml0FqyFYfrU


All the scientists you mentioned are from the past centuries.


However, the best explanation for the guy in your video is that he has become senile. See how he rambles here when shown contradictions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=M5sMva2ydoU
Religion / Re: Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking His Daughter by logicboy: 2:06pm On Jun 10, 2012
Mr_Anony:

Well I already admitted it is my foolishness besides more strictly speaking: I didn't assume anything - my "if statements" exonerate me (you would have noticed them if you paid some attention and weren't so belligerent).

I was only trying to use some humour to diffuse the situation a bit because I felt it was very childish of you lot exchanging insults and making a mountain out of a molehill. All the same I apologize for poking my nose into your squabble
..........but then on a more serious note; Logicboy, you are fun to play with. I enjoy arguing with you but then sometimes I feel you really need to grow up a bit


Sorry, being a christianity for 22 years stunted my growth

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