ijawkid:

Lol...

All fables....

So we'll advance or evolve to advanced humans in what sense??

Please tell me.....

To incredible hawk??

Or what??

So d process is slow??

Logic boy what u just believed is d most insane thing 1 who claims to have common sense shuld believe in...





So we can actually say u have that faith that slowly according to what your oga's(evolutionist) told u we'll evolve....

And chimpanzees will evolve to higher chimpanzees.....

Let's watch and see.....

Get ready to be debunked when this insane theory fails....

another question for u::::

Since ur guys say Analysis of genetic drift and recombination
using a Markov model suggests humans and
chimpanzees speciated apart 4.1 million
years...

Did these apes which are our ancestors give birth(to there kinds) using there reproductive systems and @ d same time evolved to humans and chimpanzees simultaneously??

When exactly did reproduction start??

Did both processes occur together or one b4 d other??

If so when and how??

Don't tell me I'm an ODE...

Start answering

You did not read the link that I gave you. Why do you religious people do that? When you give me links, I read them. You religious people always want to be spoon-fed information like how your pastors brainwash you guys into paying tithes and reading selected bible passages. Why dont you people ever read by yourselves? Why must you wait for someone to explain?


The answer to your question is simple. Speciation can happen in two general ways;

-one in which the population of an ancestral specie is geographically separated in two different parts of the world. The split population in each part evolve differently.

[img]http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/images/drosophila_experiment.gif[/img]

-one in which new species evolve from a single ancestral species while inhabiting the same geographic region.

haibe:
sorry to interfere but how will you feel if your wife gives birth to an ape tomorrow?

Why would you ask a question that exposes your own ignorance?

ijawkid:

Logic boy how does this sound to you??


Human speciation
Humans have genetic similarities with
chimpanzees and bonobos, their closest
relatives, suggesting common ancestors.
Analysis of genetic drift and recombination
using a Markov model suggests humans and
chimpanzees speciated apart 4.1 million years
ago.[36]


Is that thing up there a fact or still a theory??


So when our are we gonna evolve again??.....

Oboy answer this question or go rot with ya evolutionist somewhere far away.......

My problem is with humans...

Explain what I just brought out from ya extract from wikipedea...

Now let's get this started....

I wonder why ur guys aint working on a human or rather a live chimpanze to prove there point.....

U guys argue we didn't come from adam,but from chimpanze's...

So explain nigga...

Because I aint buying that hogwash up there

Simple English. Humans and chimpanzees have a common ancestor. We split into different species from that common ancestor millions of years ago. Chimpanzees will give birth to more "advanced" chimpanzees and humans will give birth to more "advanced" humans.

You forefathers had a use for wisdom teeth. Now humans are losing their wisdom teeth. /many dont gor wisdom teeth anymore. We are slowly evolving over time.

The bible condones slavery. The article you put is a nonsense apologist version of what the bible says on slavery.


Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

ijawkid:
Lol

What are u feeling like??

Like u know all??

I've seen u been debunked several time§ and what u resort to is by saying ""not all atheists are evolutionist""


Not even 1 scientist can convince me that wÉ evolved from ape....

That theory is so useless...

have u ever wÓÑdÉred why Ð whites call us black monkie§,but never refer to themselves as white monkies??


I wi§h d child u give birth to comes out as an ape....

Soon God might start giving u guys what u'v always yearned for

Ode, this is how you christians lie. Hypocrite.


I have never used "not all atheists believe in evolution" as a defense for evolution. Never. I only say that when christians always claim that atheism is a religion and I always use thatline to show that the only thing atheists agree on is the non-belief in God.



Please read about speciation before you ignorantly ask why monkeys dont give birth to humans.

Speciation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation


Why are you proudly ignorant?

401kk:

You are a dumb and senseless kid.

Na so the truth dey pain you?

adaybayor: I liked the answer of this Germanium Muslim scholar when he was asked about terrorism and Islam : He said : Who started the first world war ? Muslims ? Who started the second world war ? Muslims ? Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia ? Muslims ?? Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Muslims ?? Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America ? Muslims ?? Who killed more than 50 millions of Indians in south America ? Muslims ?? Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Muslims ?? No , They weren't Muslims!!! First of all, You have to define terrorism properly... If a non-Muslim do something bad..it is crime. But if a Muslim commit same..he is terrorist... So first remove this double standard...then come to the point!!!

Nice point but the bold part is a lie. Muslims started the African slave trade. Arab muslims took about 17 million black slaves, the European christians about 12 million,.


Other than that, you make some sense; anyone can be a terrorist. There are bad people in all religions

ijawkid:

Logic boy no dey hear word o....

I had explained what d apostle meant bt to no avail....

Logic boy believes and has faith in d evolution theory,but when debunked he'll now say nt all atheists are evolutionist...

Then I ask what are they??

What? When have you or any religious fanatic ever debunked me?

Only Logic Mind has debunked me on this Nairaland. I will debunk him in return when his time comes.

Goshen360:

If these are the reasons you became Atheist, then am very sorry. You are NEVER rooted, grounded and firm in the word of God. This is what I just explained in this thread. You are following the "letter" of the word. I can explain all those verses to you if you care but I might be slow to that because I don't have much time anymore today. Okay.

Wow, feel free to debunk any of my reasons for being an atheist.

all4naija: With almost all indications Nigerian society is not in anyway morally better than the US. I have spared the time to dabble into this matter.With the little resources available to me by provided evidences which support many claims here, there is every tendency to prove that morality can not be measured in any way as most people are alluding to here.

However, both societies having different laws and ways of living all rather life styles one would quickly conclude there is no evidence supporting the fact that Nigeria is morally better than the US or the other way round.

After reading some comments here on how much the Nigeria society has failed to understand their overrated moral standard or virtue, I feel inept to accept those few ideas with all enthusiasm. Not to the few of those looking at it from a better perspective - those who refer to the subjective part of morality but those going about with some hypes. Indeed, we all know very well that being naked has existed in some part of Nigerian culture and it is a tradition. It is a natural thing to some because of the attachment to cultural practices and traditions. We have seen this to have infringed on the right of female gender. To that, there are plethora of factors which are missing. We usually forget these factors which control every society. Yet, many Nigerians are quick to claim how morally upright they are. It also baffles me to hear that Nigerian society is even going worse off when other factors are brought into perspective. And, another thing is that many people here view morality solely on the grand of worshiping headers or senior citizens. That alone is absolutely absurd as a view.

To conclude what I think about this non-quantifiable topic, my contribution would only ascertain what others, with foresight and reasonable, have already said. That is, there is no way the Nigerian society can be morally better than the US in absolute term but there are areas which likely they are better of relatively. Still, returning back to the subjective part of morality.

100% agree. Thanks for the comment!

Martian: This is a silly thread, anyway....

Why is it silly?

Martian:
The corruption is on the part of the people who pocket the state/people's money. But what do you expect from a statist economy like Nigeria with underlying corruption? The problem is an oversized government.

We are saying the same thing.

Martian:
Easy, all you have to do is put tariffs on their goods to keep them out but keep in mind that if you do, they will do the same and we all know who suffers in that situation.The best bet in a global economy like ours, is for Nigeria to overhaul the economic policies and regulations,then produce goods that can meet international standards. If your chocolate isn't up to par, you won't be able to sell it. Curb corruption, privatize electricity, and energy and you have something to build on.

Think before you talk. The overall point is that the West call it fair trade, when it is at a disadvantage to the West African economies. Two different schools of thought. The Western economists know the problems facing Africa but accept the problems. Asian and African progressives see this fair trade as unfair trade.

Martian:
Instead of complaining about ecomonic policies and using it as a yardstick for this ill advised debate on morality, why don't you go study some economics.

Before you start acting like a smartazz on a subject that is common knowledge, look at what I am debating before condemning the debate.

The point is that immorality is subjective; some will see an economic policy as fair and some will see it as unfair.


Also notice that I did not only mention economic policies, I talked about war/politics.

Goshen360:

So what happened to you?

Logic happened to me


How Logicboy became an unbeliever;

1) Was told by a racist in London that blacks are cursed by God and they run to a religion (christiantiy) that supported the slavery of their ancestors. (NB; Blacks are not cursed)

2)Read about christianity and the transatlantic slavery. Also read about the curse of Ham and curse of Cain. Concluded that christianity supported the transatlantic slave trade.

3)Read passages in the bible about slavery
Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"


4) Read sexist passages in the bible;

1 Corinthians 14:34
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.


5) Updated my knowledge on evolution. Evolution debunks genesis

6) Though about Nigeria. Nigeria was never a christian country, British people brought christianity through slavery and colonialism. Grandmother died a pagan. UK that brought christianity is a secular and more secular than Nigeria. Forefathers were all pagans.

7) Thought about suffering in the world. How does God allow people to suffer from torture? How can God allow people to have such a fate like starvation to death?

Goshen360:

Dude, you are NOT a believer in God and Christ. You cannot be reading the bible with a veiled mind and expect anything good out of it. Get yourself life in God and stop all this your "logic" lifestyle.

I was a believer for 22 years!!!


There is no hidden truth in the bible. The bible is there for anyone to read.


Or are you now supporting the Da Vinci code or something? You love occult?

Goshen360:

A very brilliant piece I must confess. I was typing my comment when you sent in yours. The highlighted are very much in line with what I shared. Keep digging deeper and unveiling the hidden truth. God bless you.

You people scare me. Do you know the meaning of "occult"?

Hidden truth. Smh

ijawkid:

EvÓlution has not been proven joor....

Which kin baby talk be that??

[b]Its still a theory...
[/b]What do u mean??

Where is d evidence we came from apes....

Show me video....

Ur hanging ur whole life on a mere theory that'll soon be further debunked as time goes by....

No worry na this world we dey...

We go see na......

Germ theory is still a theory.

ijawkid:


So what was ya conclusion after debunking...

Did it prove otherwise??

Is evolution real??

Do u put ur faith in it??

So u so strongly agree we came from apes??


Ur gonna tell me we need like a million yrs to see a human mutate or evolve into a monster or a bird...

I just pray the evolution theory affects only its apologists...
It'll be sweet to see all atheists and evolutionist evolve into some monsters or amphibians....lol

Have those evolutionist that were quoted taken back there comments on this issue??

I still got 2 others to paste bro......

I am not in the mood to derail this thread any further. Evolution has been proven. Your God hasnt. End of story

Fr0sbel:

You deserve to be banned forever

Hi hater

justaqad:
i pity you...in as much we have our differences,cant u for once in your lifetime appreciate humor? smh....

You call that humor? I'm afraid to see what you are when you are jolly.

ijawkid:


Oboy I no see that our post again o....

Where we were discussing about evolution...

Your thread that got hidden or moved?

I debunked your copy and paste on mutation breeding but my post did not go through as the site said that the htread had been moved or hidden

ijawkid:

Thanks for that answer....

He forgets that d whole bible story was still within africa and about africa.....

Egypt and Ethopia do not represent the whole of Africa. Dont be foolish

401kk:

1. You are a fat foool: The HDI was created by the europeans to gauge their standard of living compared to other continents and races. They are judging your ignorant life according to their standard.

Does it really matter who tells the truth? The truth remains true despite the messenger. For your information, the HDI was formed by an Indian and Pakistani.

Furthermore, whatever standard you use, Nigeria is a backwards country. Our literacy levels are behind many countries. What about electricity? Does the average Nigerian have constant access to the internet? No.

401kk:
2. You are mad: It is immoral to commit murder anywhere in the world regardless of religion and culture. In cases of wars (whether justified or not), killing (not murder) can be justified because your opponents are enemies.

You just said that killing an enemy in an unjustified war is not murder. You are foolish.

401kk:
3. You brain needs to be fumigated if you call an exchange stealing.

Exchange? Selling natural resources to foreign entities and pocketing the money in one person's account instead of putting it for the benefit of the state or people is exchange?

Do you call cheating "exchange"? Where foriegn entities are allowed to buy as much cocoa but they would not allow us to sell the same amount in finished products like chocolate to their countries?


You are very ignorant

991: Who is potiphar? where is he from and of what importance is he to your 2012 existence?? by the way, how much of your time have you dedicated to the study of your own history(African History)? your own history was stampeded, barely written, forgotten and even regarded as myths when told. but the persians and jewish histoy(that was brought here by arab jihadists and european colonialists)are well documented, compiled, edited and re-written, regarded as holy books.
Oh! Oh! Africa, "emancipate yourself from mental slavery, non but ourselves can free our mind"

Mental slavery still affects Nigerians. Slvery to foriegn religions. We accept 2 religions (Islam and Christianity) which both came from slave masters and throw away our identity.

Seriously, do you really need to know about Joseph and Portiphar's wife to know that there are negative consequences of adultery? Or that people can be wicked?

justaqad: why am i been hit by the moderators sledge hammer almost every time i make a post....logicboy with his illogical approach and answers is spared like the sacred cow ...i sensed injustice...seems to me logicboy is the mods distance cousin (just my thoughst ooooooo)
but seriously i plead with whoever is in possession) of THOR'S hammer to un-ban me....

See this illiterate. I have been banned for almost a week and still banned from the islam section.

401kk:
It is their standard, not ours. We are not obliged to live up to them.



So you're basically that commiting murder is moral in the United States? Why don't you go to Texas, kill Bush and see how it goes?
The United S. was at war, thats a different scenario.



Huh?




You seem lost and you're trying to complicate simple issues you seem not to understand. Try and be reasonable please.

I should have known that you're ignorant. West Africa is clearly backwards in human development and yet, you try to argue against evidence? What are the education levels, income levels and life expectancy for the average West African? As a Nigerian, is the poverty and illiteracy that you see in Nigeria a step forward or backwards?

You prove my point by saying that the Iraq war is justified. There are two whole groups that are against the Iraq war and call it genocide. Most Arab nations and liberals. Whose morality is right? What was the justification if the Iraq war again?


If you dont understand the failure of fair trade and the exploitative nature of international trade between the West and Africa, then shut up. Dont argue out of ignorance.

401kk:

Backwards according to whose standards?

If morality is subjective, name a society, nation or culture where it is morally right to commit murder, ràpe young children, steal and rob.?

Backwards according the the human development index. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index



Murder. America. How many innocent Iraqis were murdered? Did George Bush or his soldiers go to trial for war crimes? What if abortion is murder? Is it legal isn some countries?

Poltical lobbying. Is it entirely illegal to pat law makers to push bills that favour your company?


Stealing. Is fair trade and international trade not stealing? Are Western countries not expoliting African countries in a perfectly legal way for their natural resources?

OLAADEGBU:

Where you are getting it wrong is your misunderstanding of "freedom of choice". Freedom doesn't mean that you are free to commit any sin or crime without consequence, freedom means that you are free to choose not to sin. It means to be free to live for the purpose you were created for.

Nonsense.

You are truly brainwashed if you believe that

La_Divalicious: Lwtmb- i haff laff in japanese - trust me you are the ignorant one here, since u are fond of constituting a NUISANCE on virtually every thread. - I know you not young so please act your age for once am pretty sure you are 3 times my age , so stop bluffing and stop cursing your generations. and am sure you are familiar with the Bible passage that says: so the Lord will RETURN your evil upon your own head. so enjoy
Is dat all you want to say? I told you I won’t reply your *mumurized* lmao questions so u can keep stressing your throat or lungs and pouring spit on your screen. And if after reading my posts you still don’t get it I finally understand why our educational standard is low.
You call it a myth? Good for you oh, so why e kon dey pain you? If I decide to believe in it- abegii go chop chicken shuooo- trust me If only the idiots (didn’t call names oo) that are appalled at religious (Christian) issues could channel the same disgust to the government and corruption in the country maybe we can have a revolutionary change. You an atheist inti? Issokay- good for you oo its working for you right? So can you please stop showing your logo online?
why are you even trying to derail this topic? well silence is the best answer hehe adieu,addio,adios mr logicMAN.

Huh

What is with christians like you and the love of statements with no proof or factual standing?

The same you you erroneously believe that I'm an old man is the same way that you believe that Jesus Christ is God. No proof and factually incorrect.


Anyways, I see that the truth is hurting you. I'll leave you to heal.

401kk: In some (if not most) traditional african societies, it is immoral to not have a belief in supreme beings.

And you wonder why these societies are backwards.

Morality is subjective

ijawkid: If u guys have proof that this has been disputed u can show me references and links or if u urselves have done experiments to debunk what I'm about to write u tell me...

But here it goes...


Myth 1::::. Mutations provide the raw materials needed to create new species. The teaching of macroevolution is built on the claim that mutations—random changes in the genetic code of plants and animals—can produce not only new species but also entirely new families of plants and animals.19
The facts::::. Many characteristics of a plant or an animal are determined by the instructions contained in its genetic code, the blueprints that are wrapped up in the nucleus of each cell. Researchers have discovered that mutations can produce alterations in the descendants of plants and animals. But do mutations really produce entirely new species? What has a century of study in the field of genetic research revealed?
In the late 1930’s, scientists enthusiastically embraced a new idea. They already thought that natural selection—the process in which the organism best suited to its environment is most likely to survive and breed—could produce new species of plants from random mutations. Therefore, they now assumed that artificial, or human-guided, selection of mutations should be able to do the same thing but more efficiently. “Euphoria spread among biologists in general and geneticists and breeders in particular,” said Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, a scientist from the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research in Germany. Why the euphoria? Lönnig, who has spent some 30 years studying mutation genetics in plants, said: “These researchers thought that the time had come to revolutionize the traditional method of breeding plants and animals. They thought that by inducing and selecting favorable mutations, they could produce new and better plants and animals.”20 In fact, some hoped to produce entirely new species.
Scientists in the United States, Asia, and Europe launched well-funded research programs using methods that promised to speed up evolution. After more than 40 years of intensive research, what were the results? “In spite of an enormous financial expenditure,” says researcher Peter von Sengbusch, “the attempt to cultivate increasingly productive varieties by irradiation [to cause mutations], widely proved to be a failure.”21 And Lönnig said: “By the 1980’s, the hopes and euphoria among scientists had ended in worldwide failure. Mutation breeding as a separate branch of research was abandoned in Western countries. Almost all the mutants . . . died or were weaker than wild varieties.”
Even so, the data now gathered from some 100 years of mutation research in general and 70 years of mutation breeding in particular enable scientists to draw conclusions regarding the ability of mutations to produce new species. After examining the evidence, Lönnig concluded: “Mutations cannot transform an original species [of plant or animal] into an entirely new one. This conclusion agrees with all the experiences and results of mutation research of the 20th century taken together as well as with the laws of probability.”
So, can mutations cause one species to evolve into a completely new kind of creature? The evidence answers no! Lönnig’s research has led him to the conclusion that “properly defined species have real boundaries that cannot be abolished or transgressed by accidental mutations.”22
Consider the implications of the above facts. If highly trained scientists are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing and selecting favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent process would do a better job? If research shows that mutations cannot transform an original species into an entirely new one, then how, exactly, was macroevolution supposed to have taken place?

You even look more foolish when you copy and paste nonsense. You went to a pseudo-scientific website to copy this nonsense. You were foolish enough to believe that you copied something that made sense because it had words like "mutation" and "genome".


1) The second sentence is quite misleading so that ignoramuses like you can misunderstand the role of mutation in evolution. Mutation is not the only process or mechanism necessary for evolution. The main driving force of evolution is natural selection, which occurs when the environment picks for the organism which variations are useful by killing off those who haven't got them. Mutations are the source of these variations.

2) Evolution takes place over a period of time. Definitely mutations over a longer period of time would have more drastic changes than one in na short period of time.


3) "mutation breeding" is an entirely different concept which is quite successful;

Mutation breeding is the process of exposing seeds to chemicals or radiation in order to generate mutants with desirable traits to be bred with other cultivars. Plants created using mutagenesis are sometimes called mutagenic plants or mutagenic seeds. From 1930–2004 more than 2250 mutagenic plant varietals have been released that have been derived either as direct mutants (70%) or from their progenie (30%).[1] Crop plants account for 75% of released mutagenic species with the remaining 25% ornamentals or decorative plants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_breeding


4) Your copy and paste seems to ignore that there are many genetically modified crops and animals. These animals and pland different traits from their original ancestors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Genetically_modified_crops
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Genetically_modified_animals

tbaba1234: ^The assignment was not 1-10..... It was 1-100.... 1-10 was only a reprieve when you fail to achieve the first challenge...

Excel spreadsheets did not exist 1,500 years ago and you still take 2 weeks to bring me the result of your failure...

You can whine all you want. I can do this on a larger scale (1-500).

There is nothing special about your Quran

ijawkid: Ok now let me land....

For u and logic boy to tell me and believe that we came from apes only shows how much u berate d human race...

So a white man tells u we came from apes and u believe him....

Ok let me give u some reasons why evolution is such a myth.....

Let me spell out @ least 3 myths on which d evolution theory rests...

We'll analyze each one....

And please its a research work..

I know u guys have done little or no experiments so as to prove evolution...

We are both on d same page...

We are all under the category ""I hear say""....

But let's see what even ur fellow evolutionists have to say about there theory...

And pleasse let no atheist here tell me that not all atheists are evolutionist...

Its either u believe in creation or d opposite(evolution)

Stop and think. You accept all other scientific theories but you stop at evolution because it debunks the bible. Is this not proof that christianity makes you throw away common sense?

Do you reject germ theory? How do you know about germs? It was not until the 19th century that the common man knew what germs were.

La_Divalicious: I must say thanks guys 4 taking time to reply and all that, sorry I couldn’t come online cos exams are here again + school stress. For peace to reign have decided to ignore the ignorants and I won’t reply anyone again doesn’t make sense replying, we all have the rights to believe in who or whatever we want to believe in So let's stop all this bickering.. Mind your religion or whatever you believe in that works for you and don't try to shove it down my throat, I just might puke on you.
and @ Logicboy can see all what you wishing your unborn children smh- was about answering your questions, but trust me its of no use and am bigger than that cos i know you won't end it, you'll still show the stuff you made up of you asking same questions over and over again. I still try to figure out your main purpose, its better u believe that there’s a God somewhere so that when u die and find out there’s none u won’t have nada to loose than to live your life to the fullest lying to yourself that God does not exist and to find out on the last day that He actually does, ponder on that.

Ignorance is a disease.


Your king is the king of the Jews. Better look for how to improve your black azz and stop looking at Jewish mythology!

I'm an atheist and I do not believe in curses.

I still repeat; your children should be slaves like the ones in the bible if you see nothing wrong with biblical slavery. It is only fair.

People suffered as slaves and your God allowed slavery for thousands of years without condemning it.