₦airaland Forum

herald9: thought you were thebigurban?

Why you quoting yourself

swezenberg: You are far from being a Christian. A Christian does not spew the kind of thrash you just spewed out. You are either an Islamic or a boko haram sympathizer who wants that phrase ' so help me God or in God we trust to be removed from the anthem. America was founded on Christian doctrines and principles but they have erred. They have left their God and allowed many foreign practise and gods in their land. The time of God's anger is coming just like His anger is coming upon Nigeria.

TheBigUrban2: Is it only me? Am I being too harsh?


I find people who do the following on Nairaland to be unintelligent
-have diaries on the diary section
-frequent the romance section
-frequent the sexuality section
-type in shorthand eg yhu, str8, issorite etc
-anglicize their yoruba/local names to sound more English (Harbiola, Hardeywumi, etc)
-claim that macllatunji is a great mod


I truly despise such people

urheme: Religion has failed you not nigeria,

An unbelief in God is not the reason why europe and china or any other country progresses; technologically they are advanced,

Internet does not teach you everything, you need to experience some life lessons, pains, love, frustration, hunger, prison, death etc.

God is self Evident.

tbaba12345: Dodge issue?? I believe in the dictates of the sharia. Most muslim do.

Fornication for instance was considered wrong in almost all societies, now many societies say consensual intercourse is ok. Shifting the goal post all the time.

Without God there is no rational basis for objective morality. Every other thing

How can you formulate an argument against the existence of God using evil in the world when God is required as an objective basis for the formulation of the argument in the first place?

Otherwise, what is evil?

An0nimus: Of course we're having a simple discussion. A simple 'yes' or 'no' should do. This one you sharply enter defensive mode . Good luck with your 'task'

Swiftboy: worst than I thought! I saw it did not believe it...to be an Atheist is believable.lol

tbaba12345: Our Intuition, reason and logic keep shifting the borders of what is good or evil. It is all subjective. The point is there is no objective good without God. It depends on societal conventions which keep changing.

So today, it is good, tomorrow, it is evil.

tbaba12345: Yet societies have deemed it ok to murder others, How is that an objective value? Societies deemed it ok to burn people on stakes or kill a certain race. It is subject to societal conventions.

What I mean by objective is something that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts, and not dependent on the mind for existence.

God is the only concept that transcends that subjectivity. With God, these values remain constant and does not depend on human prejudices.

And if you asked 100 muslims about God, there is a very Good chance that you will get the same answers in over 90% of cases as God is defined clearly in the Quran.

tbaba12345: What I am saying is that if God does not exist then there are NO objective moral values. Moral values such as “Murdering innocent people for entertainment is wrong” and “Defending the innocent is good” are merely social conventions without God.

God is the only concept that transcends our subjectivity.

Today doing x might be considered wrong, tomorrow it is considered right. There is no objective right or wrong as it is dependent on the social conditions.

With God, there is an objective anchor for right and wrong.

An0nimus: Sounds like a day job to me. Hope you don't also stalk these people?

RayMcBlue: Wasn't I explicit enough?

Let me tell you a story, then.

-A law with a religious undertone was passed down to a secular community, most of whom are christians.
-The christians among them accepted the law readily enough.
-Some of the citizens with atheistic background shrugged it off since it doesn't really affect their daily lives.
-A tiny minority of the atheistic populace disagree and decided to sue the government.
-What is the law?
-The law simply enforces one to say "God bless America" after every speech or prayer as the case may be.
-A law that was formed to instill and propagate patriotism among the citizenry.
-A law that was universally accepted, save for that certain tiny minority that are of the perception that the law threatens their constitutional human right.
-A tiny minority so selfish that they want the law abolished in order to suit their personal ideology.

Sounds familiar? Now put atheism in "law's" shoes, then put religion in "tiny minority's" shoes. We would have a scenerio whereby atheism is trying it's utmost best to survive and religion on it's part playing it's bìtchy role to a tee.

Hypocrisy 101.

RayMcBlue: My opinion may be foolish but it sure as hell beats your rank hypocrisy. Case closed.

An0nimus: Which people?

RayMcBlue: No matter. It shouldn't be an issue. It's not like the United Air Force is actively forcing it's recruits to conform to the Christian faith or anything.

"So help me God" is a slogan so old that it's recitations is now a matter of routine. It shouldn't and not supposed to threaten anyone, especially not to an individual that identifies himself as a "free thinker." Holding on to your belief or lack thereof so "religiously" as to feel threatened just because you frowned upon a certain R&R that enforces you to recite a routine slogan, reeks of stark hypocrisy.

It's okay to be pissed off at an audacious law that may or may not infringe on your constitutional right, but feeling threatened by it when it can't technically hurt you is another ball game altogether. Atheism transcends that level of ignominious pettiness, else, we are no different from the radical theists protesting outside an abortion clinic.

RayMcBlue: Only a trouble maker and someone with a lot of spare time on their hands would opt to make a mountain out of what can easily be circumvented.

In United States, it's only trouble makers that can sue someone for something as mundane as getting a bubble gum thrown in their general direction or cry wolf because of a perception that a basic R&R infringed on their overblown sense of selfworth.

RikoduoSennin: The bolded is just plain wrong, I never said anything like that nor suggest such a thing. I merely state my observation of Nairaland atheist community. I did not imply "all", I said "some".

Who said atheist is a foreign/white thing? I never did. Training, Exposure and reasoning plays a great deal in being an atheist.




Skeptic maybe, but do you have a one on one relationship with him? Because, he just may harbour some traditional beliefs. Nevertheless, his Training, Exposure and Reasoning made him the Man he was.

RayMcBlue: If the rule said that you must say "So help me God", then by all means, say it. Just go through the motions. You don't have to believe it. I say "Jesus" all the time, and yet I don't believe in Jesus or any other supernatural being(s). It's just an expression, no more, no less.

ATMC: ...and second like is so u know u r wrong. Btwn its not always about you...learn that.

Ubenedictus: it isn't fair, but i'm sure if atheist were in power it wont be any different.