madukovich:

That CHANCE that HE is there, and is possibly intentionally orchestrating all of these, including the disbelief in HIS existence, as well as, it won't hurt to believe in HIM as long as I'm not gullibly following under the aegis of those who wish to profiteer from myths of HIM!

It wouldnt hurt to believe that there is a giant cow with his moon-sized body, floating at the end of our universe since there is a CHANCE that the said cow might exist?

It is okay to believe in the celestial cow since you are not collecting tithe in its name?

Misogynist2014: If God does not exist, where did magic come from. Don't tell me that all those magicians and witches burnt in history were burnt because they created optical illusion, like PETERU made me to believe

There is no magic.

Even if there was, magic exists independent of God.

Some people believe science is magic. Afterall, many people said that man could not fly.......aeroplanes!!

Top lies used to promote polygamy;


1) It stops cheating
FALSE! If a man can cheat on one wife, what stops him from cheating on 2 or 3 or 4??


2) Allows for more children and also better in case of infertility
FALSE
-a man with four wives will have no children if the man is infertile
-just as a man can marry another wife to get children in polygamy one too can divorce his barren wife and marry a fertile one. Unfair but true
-Sensible societies have 2-3 or 2-4 children on average. Very easy for a fertile woman to have at least 2 children


3) More resources/income if all the wives plus husband earn money
HALF TRUE
There are more mouths to feed, so there is little difference.


4) More people get married if polygamy is allowed in the society
HALF TRUE
More women can potentially be married but it means less women for men to marry.
If every man married 4 wives, there needs to be a ratio of 4-1 in women to men.




Polygamy has no single advantage over monogamy. Not even one.
Cheaters will cheat!!!

UyiIredia: I never said it is evolution. But you know that virtually all atheists believe in the theory and there's a need to explain life if creation is to be discarded. Evolution is the only option and there's none other.

@ bold;


Why do you like to say things that are just false. Evolution has no bearing on atheism. If even evolution is false, atheism would still be factual- there is no evidence or reason to believe in God.


life is best explained by evolution. Creation is not an explanation but a myth

madukovich:

Paragraph 12B:

"But then must we query all things?
Haven't the fact that all that's currently known still pales considerable to the much that's unknown point to the fact that we can never know all, and thereby never stop knowing?
Couldn't this possibly be the design of the ALL KNOWING ONE, who at the end of the day numbs even the one that seeks to know all into submission, to realize that all can't be known, and that all wasn't meant to be known in the first place?"

We must query all things.

How do we learn?
How do we improve?
How do we separate fact from fiction?

madukovich:
Please see Paragraph 12:
[b]"The truth is that if one looked for proof for the presence of someone or something that controls all things and indeed all life, one wouldn't find it,[/b ]as even the one who thinks he's found it can be convinced otherwise when he comes face to face with more compelling evidence to the contrary, "rationally speaking". "

Meaningless and false quote.


If God is something that controls all things and all life, evidence for God would be so abundant that it is self-evident.


Take for instance, the sun- the sun affects all life on earth and as such, no one can deny its heat, its rays and its effects (eg photosynthesis)....no one can deny its existence

UyiIredia:

@ bolded: I will be a fool if I believe this. Because heaven knows contrary to the lie that atheism is not a belief, it is a belief stemming from materialism. You say this because a parent who forsakes the need to impart religion to his/her kids helps religion die; something you want.

Atheism is not a belief. It is a disbelief

UyiIredia: This is partially why I became a deist though reading atheist books is what led me to temporarily discard Christianity.[size=14pt]I never could accept atheism because I am sure that evolution is false.[/size] The fact that materialists can't even explain the OOL or honestly admit that research paradigm of engineering RNA in highly artificial settings works more for a creation standpoint is appalling. So early on, before delving into the big question of God's existence I decided I would be a deist at most, though if someone had told me I would be a deist I would have laughed it off.

How many times does one have to correct the fallacious reasoning that atheism is evolution?

madukovich:
One thing you cannot take away from atheists is their penchant to probe everything. Their desire not to swallow all they hear hook, line and sinker without reservations appeals to me. I wish I could be an atheist but I'm held back by the belief that the fact that one doesn't see a thing, doesn't mean it isn't there, and that is one truism that is incontrovertible for me.

'kovich

ATHEISM A LA NIGERIA | madukovich's cogitations - http://madukovich./2014/09/26/atheism-a-la-nigeria/

A brilliant write up. However, you miss the most important reason for being an atheist- "no evidence for God". You simply forget that atheism also includes agnosticism. As an atheist, I do not believe in God.....should there be evidence, I would believe.



I am happy though that you talked about how religious leaders have been destructive with their actions in Nigeria

Toluwarni: I hear people say all the time 'i don't want kid's. Is it wrong? Because the word of God commanded us to go and multiply, so is it a sin not to want children?

Considering how overpopulated nigeria is....hmmm

It is a choice to have or not to have children.

Too many fools in Nigeria have children and yet, cant take care of them.

I know a woman who cant have children but works in an orphanage. She is more blessed than many useless mothers who cant take care of their children.

ghostofsparta:
Seun is not an ATHEIST, peeps should stop presuming all over NL that seun is an atheist because he has never commented on the religion section. If Seun is an atheist, why would he find it difficult to create a section for atheists and us adherents of our ancestral believe system. Under the religion section it ought to be like this: NAIRALAND <-- RELIGION <--| TRADITIONALIST | ATHEISM | CHRISTIANITY | ISLAM | . It can be either TRADITIONALIST or PAGANISM. I, like some others have mailed several times to create a section for us to post our topic because all we're left with to post topics of concern and curiousity is in the section meant for those Christian and Muslim converts where their moderator are more than glad to exhibit their e-power by hiding post, deleting comments that don't conform to their religious dogmas, as well as banning pagans and atheists. I will post a snapshot of the email I sent to Seun recently when I was banned and had post hidden, he even programmed his bots to react to post that have certain words by a auto-hiding them. This words aren't really anti-religion or anti-tribe by the context they are used but the bot just follows its instruction. Now, immediately I post a comment, I have to go back to check my posts to see if the bot hasn't hid it. Even I'm going to re-check this one since I'm not sure of which word(s) may trigger the bot to hide it, it's just f***ing unfair.

Seun himself has stated he is an atheist.

The reason that you doubt this is because he is a "judas atheist".

He is the kind of person that would throw his disbelief under a bus to please religious people at the detriment of other atheists

wiegraf:



@peter, as you can see, @david has over 40000 posts here, lots pertaining evolution. He is (supposedly) a trained biologist. That means years of work. Thousands of dollars spent on education. Also, when not discussing fairy tales, he's not completely foo.lish (well, most of the time). Yet he still asserts you believe the sun shines on blind faith.

IMO, the best solution lies in security. These people (ie religious of this variety, not all are so brazenly blind) are just scared and therefore turn to skydaddy for every answer. Without addressing that nothing gets solved. Affluent, educated societies have less fears about their families, security, etc, therefore less gods. Not a coincidence.

There are many other issues of course, but I think that solution is the one that would reach the most people. Much more easier said then done though.

Some folk, though, are simply ignorant. Shielded and bamboozled away from knowledge by those perpetuating their cycle of fear and insecurities, or simply don't know better. Educating those few brave, rational but ignorant, could go a very long way.

Efforts like our little crusades on nairaland do have some value, however little they may be. I have had closet atheists for instance, regular NL members, PM me. That's the best mere mortals like me can do for now, at least until I get a bit more power (which is what I should be doing right now, actually. Also, inb4 a clown thinks power = force)

This is very simplistic break down mind you, ignoring stuff, but meh.

This is the Weigraff I like


Well said.

davidylan:

Case closed. Then exactly what are we debating about something that you clearly understand is not a fact? On what basis do you then believe in evolution since you know it isnt fact? How else do we define blind faith?

Thanks for derailing this thread with your scientific ignorance.

Scream and shout at evolution all you want, it will not make your imaginary God real

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DeepSight:

Deep as it is steep, this comment. Bull's eye.

You should not be surprised that these here:







- - - -> Can neither grasp the trajectory of the comment nor its purpose and its meaning. Worse still, they will labor under an implacable veil for the rest of their days until some seemingly bizarre experience bestirs the first ripple of serious observation of themselves, their minds and the world around them.

I have since decided not to waste my breath. It was a wise saying, that one about casting pearls before swine.

I hope you are well.

See this Patrick Obahiagbon wannabe.

Full on rhetoric, empty on common sense.


#sophistry
#verbose nonsense

UyiIredia: The worse slavery is in misunderstanding what the mind actually is.

LaraiBoluwaji:
Don't be naïve, missy. What's done is done.

What would you have him do, by the way? I am not against the journalist doing his job, neither am I against TB Joshua trying to cover it up. He is trying to do some damage control and I don't see what all the noise is for.

Its a dog-eat-dog world out there, and the sooner you realise it, the better it will be for you.

You see nothing wrong in doing damage control over the deaths of people?


Chei, some people are truly evil on this nairaland.....and they will come tomorrow claiming that they are holy!

davidylan:

My brother, thank you. I will only post jokes from now on.

good

alentyno:
Blah blah typical atheist wannabe already practising judiciously your fellows art of dodging simple questions. Since you've got nothing meaningful to say just get off my mentions and go to bed like I said its really late. Hope you washed your school uniform.....

I see....the insult in bold has given you away. You are an old tool in a new moniker.

mtchew....good night

BossTtdiamonds:

A Test of faith...

Why will your mum put meat in the pot and would expect you not to go behind her back to eat it.. She trust you innit...

Abeg, stop this "innit".....you are not some local south-london hoodlum (*cough* sagamite)

kolomax: I don't like commenting on this kind of things....but today I have to do So because so many of you are confused....so here is an article for y all
LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD


My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.

(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)


QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE


The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?


THEORY OF PROBABILITY


In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

 

The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.


CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN


The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.


QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE


Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.


SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD


Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]

<<<<<
Islamic cave is to the left

There, you can make silly arguments and knack heads on the ground with Osama Vedaxcool and Ayatollah Maclatunji



(seriously did you really think the nonsense epistle you put up there makes sense?)

alentyno:
And you couldn't point out the supposed 'foolishness'? Go to bed son its late. You've got to prepare for school 2mao

I dont need to. The foolishness of your comment is clear for anyone to see. You have no idea why atheists are atheists or even why atheists talk about religion.

You need the sleep more than I dp

alentyno: Nairaland atheists......Having sleepless nights and restless days on top of the matter of a being they claim doesn't exist since time immemorial

Now tell me what's more dumb than that?

Oh what a brainless lot

lol...the irony here is that your comment is as foolish as they comr

........and the merry-go-round continues....carry on

BossTtdiamonds:

So what then do you believe in..??

Btw: I love your sig... stopped Playing Pro Evo Soccer.. The day I found FIFA 12.. Ever since it has been Fifa all the way.. Not played 14 though..

f4ck FIFA





Do you know why atheist scientist, Richard Dawkins, doesnt like FIFA?
-he is a pro-evolution man

lmao

BossTtdiamonds:

Well I never called you a troll.. I said "you troll this section" see the bolded below for the difference..
I think there are lots of definitions about the word troll, but you chose the one that suits you best..
Funny how the "What you think; Is what you are" manifests itself here...




I never expected you to find wisdom in my words.. Only the special one's can find sense in it..

They say "Don't argue with ________ , they bring you to their level and beat you with experience"

*Waving my white Flag", You win

I bet you feel so smart right now..



How did you know?... Magic innit??

What is this one saying

Oduduwaboy:
This sounds so dumb. What was your last IQ score?

his score is probably on the single digit

BossTtdiamonds:

We know.. Yet you troll this section more than you chew food...
It's funny how those who so not believe in God are the first to start layin' assertions 'bout why God does not exist...

If you believe it to be true God does not exist..?? Why bother anywayz...??

Calm down on your ignorance, please.

First off calling me a troll does not bolster your argument.

Secondly, you might want to think about why atheists talk about God in this section. I hope you realise that it is because your bigoted christian and muslim brethren keep discriminating and forcing your ridiculous "Godly" values on us atheists.

Atheism is not a faith. End of story

davidylan:
I read this at least three times, notice how the author makes zero attempt to answer the question - is atheism also a faith? all he does is run circles talking about how calling atheism a faith means tacit admission that religions are faiths... err we knew that 3000 yrs ago!

^^^
What is this guy saying?

Atheism is not a faith. End of story

NativeBoy:

Tell that to Newton or Kepler or Maxwell and a host of others.

like it changes the fact that ressurection and talking donkeys are unscientific

otswag: Preventing your children from associating with other children because of difference in religious beliefs will send a wrong message to them. U are indirectly teaching them to detest people just because they they think different even if they have other great attributes. This idea alone is the cause of the holocaust suffered by the Jews from the Nazi so its a very wrong thing to teach your child. If you teach your children the ways of the lord and it makes sense to them, u shouldn't be scared that your teaching will be corrupted by beliefs of atheists. Yes, they would have questions but if you believe strongly in ur religion, u should be able to provide them with sensible answers.

True talk