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gbadexy: @ buzugee
I seriously doubt your sanity. Can this fruity's brother in christ come out to address his folly. The dude believes the yorubas, ibos and west africans were the real jews! That Jesus was a black man! Wasn't it in the middle east that Jesus lineage from? Did jesus even step near present day egypt.
No wonder, I have been discussing with someone in another world of his own.
The other guy that said God's problem with man is SIN and not washing hands and avoid eating pork can save muslims, then it shows the level of intelligence of the people I have been discussing with.
So not washing of hand and eating pork is what islam preaches to see God's favor? Apart from Ten commandment, which law is against SIN in any form and take strict action against it than sharia law that is practise by muslims? Is it murder or adultery or fornication or stealing or what form of SIN didn't Islam preach against and even enforces its compliance strictly?
So if a muslim commits murder, he can go free? Its not a sin in islam? You want to say muslims kill? So some deviant christian group like the lord's resistance army, IRA too didn't kill innocent people, so those too represent all christians?
To each his own, I won't even bother myself again.
None of you can logically explain why Jesus (according to the bible) blaspheme and ask why God forsake him! Or the folly of a third entity called holy spirit in trinity when God himself is a spirit and even if Jesus is God's son, he too has an independent thought and spirit, who or what is the third God?
I don't expect a response. You will just quote another verse obstinately as if that makes sense to me, when I can also still quote a quote negating or nullifying the verse you quoted from the same bible!
I guess we will all finally know the truth when we die. Once again, I say each man to his own and good luck.

Buzugee smokes weed, however, he doesnt believe in organised religion which is his one redeeming quality

ijawkid: There is also no logic boy.......

How do u like that??

But you are chatting with me on the internet. Can God reply your prayers? No! Because you are praying to thin air.

ijawkid: Hell is grave,sheol,hades...

The common grave of mankind...

Or do u have d same distorted view of hell as do many who think its a place where people roast for all eternity.....

I just gave u d real definition of d word hell....

I see that you have left your pentecostal views. Ijawkid, you're growing into a man. It's remaining for you to drop your belief in the christian God.


As for me, I do not believe in heaven or hell. Heaven is for the poor in mind to feel that there is a sky daddy and a better place for him/her

afam4eva: Pastor WF Kumuyi happens to be one of the very few pastors that I still respect. The man is humility personified. He's not like other pastors that are after things of the flesh.

Kumuyi is a fraud as well.


The problem does not stop at pastors. Christianity is a fraud. There is no God.


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ijawkid: They will go to hell ofcus....

Hell is the common grÀve of man.....:-)

How do you know hell is real? Which hell do you have evidence for;

a) The cahtolic hell, that has an escape route to purgatory
b) The pentecostal hell only which born again who pay tithes and worship MOGs will escape
c) The pentecistal hell in which you have to accept Jesus and the whole bible literally to escape
d) The unitarian hell in which all good people escape
e) The Jewish hell
f) The Islamic hell
g) The pagan hades

buzugee: black people have been destroyed in this world. one thinks white people are angels the other thinks the pope is Gods representative on earth. but you know what ?

lol....I cant believe that I am agreeing with you on this. It is a sad thing. We black people should be more enlightened.



However, the "hell" part of your comment (which i cut out) is nonsense. There is no supernatural. If I come to your house holding a knife, you are dead. No amount of prayer will save you from my martial arts.

1) Yes, an atheist is simply one who says that there is no evidence to believe in a god.

2) No, atheism is not a scientific religion. Atheists just ask for evidence when it comes to religion. The thing is that science is evidence-based and has enough evidence to go against religious claims in holy books. I can give arguments against religion/god with or without science. Science is a bonus. Also atheism is not a religion, it is a disbelief. It is just like saying that "not collecting stamps" is a hobby.

3) I became an atheist before I even knew about evolution. I knew that creationism was false on the basis that the supernatural has no evidence. Evolution has evidence and is quite a strong scientific theory. I'm sure that there are atheists that dont understand evolution but they will never accept creationism because it has supernatural claims and no evidence.

4) As an atheist, I live my life based on humanist ethics. I know that if I treat people well, they are likely to treat me kindly in return. I live my life based on pros and cons of my actions. While morality is subjective, there are certain things that are universal (moral universalism) that humans have learnt from interacting with others. We dont need the bible to know that we sjould not kill innocent people and so on.

5) Atheists do not believe in the supernatural as well.


6) There are no rigid rules when it comes to atheism. There are no holy books.

EbuksAllison7: not bad...

Cheers!

Deep Sight: And what are human beings doing about such?

Please look at this take on the nature of divine harmony/ justice -

https://www.nairaland.com/411142/definition-divine-harmony-understanding-creation

What kind of foolish and heartless reply did you just give? The question is "where is your God when this is happening?"

frosbel: No Sir, churches like Deeper life etc also do not celebrate Christmas.

Besides we are at variance at some core issues which can never be settled this side of life.

For example, do you believe that :

1. Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of GOD
2. That the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of GOD
3. That Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD and the fullness of the deity in bodily form


check out the other article I raised on JW, there are about 10 differences in our beliefs.

Are you saying that people in other religions like Islam, paganism, hinduism etc are going to hell?

Ayomivic: is that what you follow? as flies would follow corpse into grave. Sorry for you.

huh? You did know? The most developed countries are secular with a lot of atheists


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201107/why-atheism-will-replace-religion-new-evidence

Ayomivic: alrght let wait and see if he comes for me or not.

2000 years, christians have been claiming that Jesus will come.


Jesus is as dead as a doornail.

Niflheim: @logicboy,this is definetly the greatest speech/statement i have ever read on nairaland,you can be rest assured that i will continue to inundate this forum with the waters of the rivers of truth and reason.

Thanks. More grease to your elbows mann!

Ayomivic: [b]You mean thinking for oneself like atheists, which can bring about destruction.[/b]God forbid .It is you that need to think wisely for tomorrow may be too late.

Ignoramus, the most developed countries are secular and have a lot of atheists.

Ayomivic: God forbid.Point of correction ,we worship God not god or god.Pls take note.

Christianity was a pagan religion when it started and so you worship a god.

frosbel: You seem to have a problem with modern grammar :

Merriam-Webster lists cannot as one word. If you try looking up “can not” in the online unabridged, you will be sent to a list of suggestions headed by cannot.

According to the entry in the OED, cannot is
the ordinary modern way of writing can not

I stand corrected. They are both correct

Ayomivic: I can see now that you have accepted the fact ,since you have admited this, no more problem i just want you to have knowledge of whom you are worshiping.That is all.

See this brainwashed negro talking.

You worship a Jewish pagan god without even realising it

musKeeto: A round of applause... Daddy DeepSight would be so proud..

so epic!

Niflheim: jesus declared that all foods are fit to be eaten,this is not a responsible statement,for we all know that if you eat the japanese puffer fish you will be poisoned unless a specialist helps you to cook it.

Hahaha. The puffer fish! Very poisonous. You have to prepare it in a special way or you die!

frosbel: cannot , not can not

Your name should be FROSTbel because your brain is frozen.

"cannot" is archaic English. "Can not" is what we use in modern days. I dont speak biblical english

Hahahaha!

Forsbel can not come to terms that the catholics compiled the bible that she uses!

Reyginus: If there is one thing I like about atheist and atheism,it is their rationale.we need them to survive

Thanks. However, I must say that everyone has common sense and logic. Even the religious, the problem is that some of them allow the religion to cloud their judgement. There are smart religious people. We can look at Obama and his policies. He puts the welfare of the people before his christian religion.

thehomer: Good for you. Multiple tactics and approaches are welcome.

Cheers. Good to hear from a fellow skeptic!

justaqad: hmmmmmmmmmmm,quite touching.
Though we are always drawn at cross fires, i have esteem respect for you.yess respect.
Though sometimes u can be annoying but it makes the fun worthwhile.
Just be good to yourself and people around u might probably get a mansion in heaven avenue,heaven state.hehehehehehehehehehe

No problems. I dont have problems with any religious person as long as you dont infringe on my human rights or feel the need to constantly condemn me to hell!

What you need to know about atheism and logicboy;

https://www.nairaland.com/984842/logicboy-effect-message-all-nairaland

benodic: God only cares for one thing and that is that Soul, the real you, which It sent down to the lower worlds to acquire experience and mature should complete Its lessons and come back home to It.

Soul exists because of God's love for It.

God doesnt care. He doesn care that people are being sold as sex slaves. Do you know how soul-shattering it is to be a sex slave?


Does this picture touch your soul? Where is God for the starving children in Africa;

[img]http://tcdh.files./2011/09/vulture_waiting_for_the_child_to_die.jpg[/img]

Ishilove and Justaqad, una don craze finish.


When did I become your child?

Change the topic before the message

I have been an atheist for over 2 years in the UK but I started commenting on Nairaland few months ago. The thing that pushed me to start commenting on Nairaland was the issue of extreme religiosity in Nigeria. Yes, Nigeria has always been extremely religious but the tipping point was when I was driving past old kent road on a sunday in London and realising that there were 15 churches on a single road and all of them were full of my fellow Nigerians (Sunday is when you see people in Nigerian traditional attires packing the buses and streets of old kent road). Nigerians are carrying their religious zealotry to the UK, where British people are not church goers (66% of british christians havent gone to church in over a year). Over 35% of british are said to be atheists.

This drove me into a frenzy. I started commenting and making numerous threads on Nairaland. I made sure that I was an atheist zealot and very prolific making atheist threads. Now, many people on Niaraland (painfully including my fellow atheists) have rebuked me and called me different names such as a "militant atheist" or "evangelical atheist". However, many of them have overlooked one fact- I, logicboy, have made an effect on Nairaland. Before I started commenting on Nairaland, there were only a few topics per day concerning atheism or criticizing religion. What people dont realise is that in the process of complaining about my numerous atheist threads, the discussion is shifting towards atheism. Every time someone comments or criticizes my threads, atheism is addressed. Now that I have been commenting for some months on Niaraland, the number of atheist or anti-religious threads per day/week have been increasing. Count the first 10 threads on the religious section and you will find at least 4 of them being skeptical about religion or based on atheism. What was once a small and controlled issue is becoming more and more frequent. However, I can not take the credit for everything, other atheists or agnostics or skeptics were very influential too in this change. There is no way one man or atheist can do everything by himself. Every comment by an atheist is a move towards popularizing the topic of atheism.

The more atheism is discussed, the more people start asking questions about religion. The topic comes before the message. By moving the debate towards atheism, it becomes more recognized and gives us atheists a chance to explain why we dont believe in God and why people should be careful with religion. I have to state here that this is the basic difference between a christian evangelist and an atheist speaker; the atheist doesnt want to be controlled by religion in his/her personal life and wants people to question their religion while the evangelist wants people to convert to his or her religion to be saved. Agnostics, deists, pantheists are cool with me as an atheist. You dont have to be an atheist.


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Yes, a war against the excesses of religion and religious intolerance. I am not saying that I want to eradicate all religion. I and many other atheists only want people to question their religion and cut out the extreme parts of religion however they can peacefully. It is anyone's human right to choose and follow his or her religion of choice. However, that religion should not be used to kill (Boko Haram, terrorism), to divide (North and South Nigeria, Jews and gentiles), to oppress (women, gays), to defraud (tithe fraud), to humiliate (atheist are fools, burn in hell), to molest (churches and children) and to control (brainwashing the masses eg Oyedepo slap supporters).

This war is a verbal and non-confrontational war. If we cant challenge religious bigots and extremists in court, we must challenge them on paper and on the internet. The internet is where religions can not oppress anyone. Freedom of speech and anonymity on the internet shields from oppression and gives freedom to criticize what is taboo. This is why we atheists must always be active on the internet if we can. It was the internet in form of a youtube videos and blogs that led to Oyedepo being taken to court. It was the internet in form of blogs and youtube that led to "draw Muhammad day" as protest for free speech in Islam.


If there is any atheist that feels that we should just keep quiet and leave the religionists to their folly, the answer to that is; will you be happy if it your child that is beaten because of a false accusation of witchcraft? will you be happy if it is your daughter that is oppressed? will you be happy if you are the one being discriminated at because you dont believe in a religion.



I'll leave you with an inspirational speech;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo

buzugee: he is a savior for the jews first and then secondly he is a messiah to the world. there is heir-achy in that. the heathens or gentiles are the most wicked and vile people around. they are enemies of the jews ( nehemiah 5 vs 9 )and have always been violent against and enslaved the jews for thousands of years. this they were able to do without repercussions because they had no laws. the lord only gave the laws to the jews ( psalms 147 vs 19 and 20 ) who in turn were supposed to be the light to the heathens but the jews failed in this mission and hence the heathens did not have any laws. they were like human-animals just living on instincts. when you have no laws you have no transgressions. ( romans 4 vs 15 ). so all their violence against the jews was not counted against them because the lord was using them as his weapon against the jews ( psalms 17 vs 13 ). however when the lord saw that the punishment from the heathens against the jews was enough, he sent christ to go commit the heathens to the law. so the coming of christ is multi-part.
1-commit the heathens ( gentiles ) to the law so that any evil thing they do henceforth will be counted against them because they now have the laws

2-unite jew and gentile under the law

3-save the jews from the gentiles

4-offer the gentiles a chance at salvation if they obey the laws.

5-spiritual Resurrection of the elect jews

so back to your question, yes, christ is the savior of the jews first and then the messiah of the whole world ( because he gave the heathens as well as the jews a chance at salvation )

You are making some sense for once Buzugee. This time, I dont need to calm down with cider because of your answer.

Ishilove: I don't have anything to say to you because Monsieur Deepsight has said all that needs to be said

Ishilove: Dude,you're sick. May God have mercy on you because you don't know what you are doing

lol....so people who dont believe in Jesus/Yaweh are sick? Only you christians have the right to your own God? LMAO. dumbazz

frosbel: Indeed, the world but not the message !

Wrong.