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musKeeto: lol.. Martian's spaceship.. but doubt logic alone improves intellect

oh, I see.

Deep Sight: Foolish, they indeed are, but evil, no, not necessarily. There are good and evil atheists just as indeed there are good and evil theists. Same for foolishness: it exists on both sides of the divide. But of foolish notions, atheism itself is one.

So, you disagree with the bible that says that all atheists are evil?

musKeeto: *dies in spaceship*

Was that supposed to make sense?


Well, I guess mosquitoes can't survive the air pressure in spaceships

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, I've seen the thread; It is nothing more than yet another of your rants based solely on your opinions and nothing more.[/quote]lol....running away from the truth? Why not explain how you're not a slave to a discriminatory religion?

Explain how you accept a religion (the bible) that clearly states that atheists are fools and evil? (psalm 14;1)

[quote author=Mr_Anony]My opinion of you is still my opinion of you. It hasn't changed. You are free to conjure up meanings and twist statements as much as you like.[/quote]Thats why you're a christian, your opinion doesnt change despite the evidence against it. Keep reading my mind and telling me the future. You assume that I will be a dictator if given the chance with power. How silly. What does your bible tell you about judging?

I have never wanted to force anyone to do anything. So keep assuming nonsense with your epic fail of an opinion.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]The highlighted describes your Nairaland anti-religion frenzy.[/quote]Lmao. Hypocrisy in abundance! I am no where near the top 10 prolific posters on Nairaland. As an atheist, I have never recommended any atheist book or website for anyone. Your christian brothers preach on Nairand, promote their various churches and books. Furthermore, the are also tithe p1mps in real life because some of them work in churches. Yet, I am the one in a frenzy! You mad?


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[quote author=Mr_Anony]Facts are facts, evidence is what meaning we read into it......
Fact: The universe exists and has an origin
Theist: It is an evidence of God's creative power.
Atheist: It is an evidence that everything can come from absolutely nothing.[/quote]Atheist: It is an evidence that everything can come from absolutely nothing

Who told you that this is the atheist's position? The atheist position is that there is no evidence for one to believe in a God. Not all atheists are scientists


Theist: It is an evidence of God's creative power.
God of the gaps. It is like saying that there is a present under my christmas tree and it is evidence that Santa clause put it there.





[quote author=Mr_Anony]And a government can only exist if a group of people agree to be bound by certain laws hence pay tax. Same goes for a church. It can only exist if a group of people agree to worship God and abide by certain codes of conduct hence pay tithe. Perhaps, you were brainwashed into paying taxes who knows?[/quote]Everyone hates taxes. A church exists in worship of an invisible being. A government exists to govern people.


Taxes are necessary for a government to survive. Tithes are not necessary for a church to survive.






[quote author=Mr_Anony]Many people advise many different things. You just made a very weak statement[/quote]Lol.....Weak statement? Is it not a fact that it is more sensible to directly engage in helping the poor (if you can) to ensure that your money is used 100% or check out the activities of your charity before giving out money?






[quote author=Mr_Anony]Please cite the survey you carried out to get to this conclusion.[/quote]I made such a challenge on Nairaland. Furthermore, lets try it. Can your church avoid money for half a year? They can accept food and material donations and payment for their electricity and water bills but no monetary offering

Ihedinobi: And when will you accept that there is?

lol....how shameful.


There is no evidence for God. None. That is why it is called faith. How can someone be so ignorant about his own religion?

Martian: Sirniyeh:There is a great disturbance in the Force
Boy: What is the force?
Sirniyeh:It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together
Boy: What? How do you know this?
Sirniyeh:The Force runs strong in my family
Boy: I don't believe you, can you prove it?
Sirniyeh:The Force is with you, young man , but you are not a believer yet
Boy: WTF?
Sirniyeh: What your mouth young man!!
Boy: Sorry.
Sirniyeh:A believer'sstrength flows from the Force
Boy: Well, this force sounds as real as angels and my mom said angels are what religious people believe in. We're not religious.
Sirniyeh: You must feel the Force around you!!
Boy: But I don't!!! And this doesn't make sense. Why don't you just prove it to me?
Sirniyeh: Strong am I with the Force, but not that strong
Boy:
Sirniyeh: May the Force be with you
Boy: You're freaking me out, I'll go tell my mom.
Sirniyeh : *gets on nairaland to ask for help about how to explain the god he "believes" in to a 12 yr old boy*

lmao!

Ihedinobi: I was gonna ask if you think you'll ever stop. But I don't think there's a need to. You're more than welcome to your prejudice, my friend. Let us know how that works out for you eventually. We'll do the same.

Address the topic, please.

Ihedinobi: My brother, grace be multiplied to you. Now it is I who must say that you're the more patient of the two of us. I believe completely in shaking off the dust of my feet (or cramp of my fingers, in this case lol) after the message has been rejected. But if you still have the grace to persist, I guess u should. I just doubt you're getting anywhere with it. Perhaps you should debate non-religious issues with our man and maybe the Grace of the Lord in your attention to them will finally "debunk" (lol, what a word!) him.

lol....when will you guyz accept that there is no evidence for God?

I will pray for you to get more land.


I just need a 10% tithe of your profit for the prayer



Jokes apart, I wish you well in your business.

ghostofsparta: I am not that kind of pagan you've been fed to think.

Sharaap.


I dont care what kind of pagan you are. You are free to practice whatever you like as long as it doesnt infringe on my rights.

Safe to say, pagans are more honest about their religion than christians or muslims.
https://www.nairaland.com/1001746/house-negro

Anony, this is my new thread. Shows the kind of mental slave you are

https://www.nairaland.com/1001746/house-negro

There is no doubt that you're a wise man, Mr. Anony. However, your brain is partitioned. Your wisdom stops when the religious side of you starts talking. You become as fallacious as the Resurrection of Christ (A god that is ominpotent dying). Remove this shackle of religion from your brain. It makes you foolish. Allow me to debunk you;

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Don't humor yourself. I called you a dictator because that is what I know you to be. I am convinced that if you had absolute power, you will banish religion and you will not hesitate to use force. My opinion of you as a person does not in any way go against my christian beliefs or make me a hypocrite.[/quote]When did you start reading people's minds or seeing the future? You know, the punishment for such witchcraft in the old testament is death?

I have never ever wanted to force anyone to do anything. I dont believe in dictatorship and I have never even wanted absolute power. A secular democracy which I support can not even allow that. Keep bearing false witness against me, hypocrite.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Whether my opinion of you is right or wrong is yet to be seen, however, one thing is sure; We have been able to establish from this thread that if there ever was an evangelical atheist, you fit the description perfectly well.[/quote]e·van·ge·lism/iˈvanjəˌlizəm/
Noun:
1)The spreading of the Christian gospel by preaching or personal witness.
2) Zealous advocacy of a cause.

The only thing I do is complain about religious bigotry on the internet. When you have atheists going from house to house or preaching on the market square like christians do, then you can have the moral standing to call someone an "evangelical atheist".





[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, that you don't believe in the good news of Christ does not stop it from being fact in much the same way as not believing the holocoast happened doesn't make it not happen, but that's besides the point.[/quote]Facts are based on evidence. No evidence exists for God. None. That is why faith differs from fact.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]Tithing is a fraud in the same way that taxation and giving to charities is a fraud. I have years and years of misused tax funds to back me up.....and just so you know, pastors actually pay tithe.[/quote]1) The government is authorized by law to collect tax, the church brainwashed people to collect tax tithes. Government has the authority, church doesnt. In a developed society government officials are fired/suspended/queried for misuse of funds. Oyedepo and his fellow pastors are lounging in private jets with no fear.

2) Interesting that you bring up charities because they too are fraudulent. Many people advice that it is better to do the charity yourself and give poor people the benefits or scrutinize your charity. The same thing I am saying about churches.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh, the message of Christ is true of course and tithing is unnecessarily. but then what most anti-tithe campaignes choose to leave out is that Christ urged us to give 100% instead of 10% and to give it cheerfully.
This is partly why your motives puzzle me because when you ask Christians not to pay tithe, are you asking them to become better Christians and give more up to 100% or are you just trying to make them desist from yet another Christian activity?[/quote]Call me when you have evidence for God. Yawn.

Jesus did not say that everyone should give 100%. He was talking about his literal followers (Disciples, apostles; pastors and MOGs). Pastors should be as humble as John the baptist.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]P/S: I have served in church leadership before and I can assure you that in most churches everyone including the pastor sincerely believe that tithing is scriptural. It is usually not a deliberate attempt to fool anyone, besides for most of these churches, the income is almost always less than the expenditure after they have done outreaches and missions.

If you took the time to look into most of these churches especially the grassroot ones, instead of judging megachurches from your TV screen, you will see earnest hardworking ministers throwing in all their money and energy into the ministry.
The megachurches you criticize most of the time are similar to these grassroot churches only that this time around, there are more tithing members so the income now outweighs their expenditures and the ministers can afford to live in relative luxury...

.....and of course there is also the corruption that comes with power. Also crooks who start a church as business to deliberately defraud people but these are not the norm neither do they represent what Christ stands for.[/quote]All churches are corrupt. None of them will fast for 40 sundays without tithing or monetary offerings. There is no church that will accept the challenge of fasting by only recieveing food and material items but not money.

[size=14pt]Explaining religion through the house negro[/size]



House Negro
The house negro is a slave with the following characteristics;

1) The house negro is slave that sleeps in the master's house and is secondary to the master but higher than the other slaves who sleep in huts far away from their master's house

2) The house negro is given some of the master's old clothes and sometimes better food. This pumps up his ego and importance. He is better and more important than his brethren who are on the outside of his masters house.

3) The house negro takes charge of the other slaves when the master is gone. The house negro even flogs the other slaves when they get out of hand.

4) The house negro support his master. The house negro will never be a runaway slave because he has been blinded by the fueling of his ego. He has been fed better , clothed better and treated better than other slaves. He protects his master and his ego at the cost of punishing his brethren.

5) The house negro eventually becomes indifferent to the suffering of his brethren. He finds freedom in the house of his slave master. He thinks he is free because he is treated better. He gives up his identity to be an enslaved minion of the master.




How religion (christianity/islam) is related to the house negro;
The christian or muslim is a slave to God/Allah/Jesus/Muhammad. The christian or muslim sleeps, eats and drink with Allah/God. The christian or muslim has his ego pumped up because he is born again, the koran/bible gives him the truth and he is following the true way of God. His master (god/allah) has given him the truth, morality and purpose which he obediently follows. The christian or muslim believes that he is better than the rest of his fellow humans that are outside god and damned to hell.

The christian or muslim is indifferent to the suffering of his fellow human beings caused by his master because he is blinded the ego. The ego as a result of his invisible master giving him absolute "morality" and "truth". "Islam is the truth/as true as gospel".
-Slavery in the past? "it wasnt real slavery" "god knows best (supporting the master)" "they weren't real christains/muslim"
-Slavery in the Quran/bible? "it is not there"
-War and genocide in the past? "they were not real christians/muslims even though some used the name of my master (God)"
-Women as secondary to men and gender discrimination? "My master (God) created Eve as a companion to Adam"
-Murder of Job's/Ayuub's children to test his faith? "My master has the right to take anyone's life"
-Starvation of children caused by religious conflict? "It is not my master's (God's) fault even though he wills everything in the world"
-AIds or STD's? "condoms are tools of immorality as my master's book (bible/quran) prohibits sexual immorality"
-Atheists are fools (bible)/Allah deniers will be punished (Quran)? "I support my master's book because my master is the truth"


The christian/muslim is like the house Negro who ironically believes that he is free or exercising freewill in the house of his slave master. The christian/muslim believes that his is free while being bound by rules from his invisible master. Many of these rules have no grounding in reality eg banning, pork, persecuting gays, rape victims should marry their rapists, tithing, blasphemy laws etc. The christian/muslim will accept logic until it goes against his master's will.


Free yourself from the shackles of mental slavery, fellow humans!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow! The above comment is golden! You have just bought into my worldview.......

.........I hope this will now allow you to see that evangelism is not imposing the gospel on anyone but telling them about the good news of Christ.[/quote]Pandering to me will not blind me from the fact that you twisted my comment to call me a dictator. The height of hypocrisy- a christian calling an atheist a dictator.


The good news of christ is not a fact. Advise should be based on fact. When I say tithing is fraud, I have years and years of churches misusing funds to back me up. Ironic that pastors dont tithe.

Even if you want to claim that the message of christ is true. Christ did not tithe and there are passages used by your fellow christians to show that tithing is not necessary.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, funny chap you are.
A man earns his money, chooses that the best way spend it is to serve God by giving 10% of his income to his church which he considers a good cause.

Another man sits in his house and says: "yes the money is all yours, it is not against any laws or human rights how you choose to spend it, you are free to spend it all on booze or even throw it into the lagoon if you like but please whatever you do, don't be charitable by giving it to the church, be charitable in the way I think is better for you".

My friend you are an oppressive dictator, you just don't know it yet. The only major difference between you and Chairman Mao is that Mao had an army and you don't.[/quote]Lmao.....so putting information out is now oppression? Advising people is the same as forcing people? What it wrong in telling people that they have the final decision on their money and putting it in the church who are not accountable is not the best way to use it? Did I force anyone?


You have been insulting me by calling me an oppressive dictator. Repeating the same lie over and over again doesnt make it true.

jayriginal: I think its the first time I am hearing (reading) you say this. I'll take it as a mistake. You might want to correct this. It is not the default atheist position. It could be an atheists position, not the atheist position.

Yes, it was a mistake on my part. Anony really gets on my nerves. We are from the same place and so I feel close to him. Sad that he is a slave to a religion that enslaved his forefathers. Anony comes from a place where the first Europeans came to naija

[quote author=Mr_Anony]^^^^ Enter the beginnings of atheist sects and denominations....... [/quote]GhostofSpata is a pagan.


Why do you fail so hard, mr Anony?

toba: Yet those that cry that there's no God are minorities that makes noise on faceless forum, who are scared to reveal their identities.

66% of the world don not believe in Jesus as God. Dont ever forget that.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, your tax money can even be used to fund terrorists without your knowledge...... You don't have a case and you are flying off on a tangent; funding terrorist organizations is so far out of the field of what we are talking about and you know it
..... You haven't shown how tithing is evil. You even said it doesn't go against human rights so why are you so opposed to it?

By the way, I like how you redefine neutrality to suit your intentions: It would interest you that Mao's persecution of religion was carried out in the names of "religious freedom" and "culture revolution". He never saw his atrocities as persecution, he honestly thought he was liberating them from "the poison of religion"[/quote]Wow....you have gone off into another Zone.


It is as simple as ABC. Tithing is not against the law just as flogging ones children. That does not make it right. I speak out against these things because they dont help the society.

Tithing makes poor Nigerians even poorer. Many have been brainwashed to see tithing as a moral duty. I will inform them that it is better to feed the poor personally or use your money to help yourself or others personally than tithe. You dont see me railing against prayer or taking communion even though I dont believe in them.

ijawkid: Both of em.....

Email wuld be better so that we can always continue our discuss from where we stop....:-)...

Oya this is my email add...

Wagskehinde@yahoo.com

added you

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]yes for most rites i have to go back to Nigeria. they are secret-rites and my doing it alone would be impossible because its a usually community affair. we dont use palm oil. but some items i get it along with me when i go back.[/quote]You dont use palm oil? Ha.....I guess, its because you're not from the south of Naija



Anyways, people have been pushed by xtianity and islam to always see you guys as a "cult"

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]cmon there must be sometime when you felt strange, everyoe goes through that.

anyways, my point is that most Africans are living in Africa, not in Europe. and btw i am an African living in Europe, so der.. [/quote]Hahaha.


Then how do you practice your religion? You'd probably find it hard to get palm oil and all that stuff?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]LOL.........I like how loosely you use the word debunking[/quote]This tough guy talk will all disappear when you get debunked.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]no chance. Africans cant do without spirituality. it will strangle them like a slow poison. unfortunately that is what is happening today. even though islam and christianity are termed as religions, they lack spirituality. .[/quote]I'm African and I'm not spiritual.


Many Africans who have lived in /Europe are throwing away their religion

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh, ok so you found the joke funny. Good for you. Now have a good ol' laugh and move on.[/quote]I think you need a good old debunking. You havent had one and that is why you are hounding atheists.


Erm.....I want to make a thread, I hope you will join in.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Since it is their hard-earned money, are they not in the best position to decide what to do with it?
But it is their religious belief and they are not forced to pay, they are not even forced to choose the religion.


Why does it bother you so much? Remember you were supposed to be neutral. Is this your idea of neutrality?[/quote]Neutrality does not mean silence on evil.



What about people who fund terrorist organisations with their hard earned money but they believe that they are doing good (eg people thinking Hamas are justice fighters)? If it were done on a large scale like tithing in Nigeria, one should not talk about it?

maclatunji: You have created a thread about a Nairalander, it has to go to the general section.

okay

ijawkid: I wuld love it if we emailed each other...

I use my phone so its much difficult for me to type really fast...

And u know some of ur freinds will derail our discussion...lol

If ur ready we culd use our emails...:-)....

Email or yahoo chat?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Seriously, who exactly has been insulted in that joke? Has your god been insulted? How exactly does the joke reflect on you or anyone you love?

Perhaps contrary to what y'all say, atheism is actually a religious sect because I don't see why I would be offended by a joke where santa claus is made to look good at the expense of a kid who doesn't believe in santa.

Why do you feel this urge to jump to the defense of your fictional brother with whom you share no beliefs?[/quote]lol....lol....did I say that I found the joke offensive?


No, the joke was an epic fail. I was just pointing that out. Please check out my first reply before you call someone "militant"

Logicbwoy: The funny part is that the woman accepts food from what she terms "the devil"

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]yes but i for one wont let my ancestors down. withing the next decade or two, Africa will be once again be Pagan or else i perish.[/quote]You will perish. Africa will become atheistic

ijawkid: I agree God can end d world in the year 5012...

That is his time....

Our view of time is completely different frm God's...........

lol......but God doesnt exist.


Ijawkid, should I make a thread where you and I can discuss yor belief in God?