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lol....just finished debunking a sheep on another thread.


The sheep could not answer why he would rather face Mecca and pray rather than look at his own Nigeria since God is everywhere.

Sheep would rater worship foreign cities like Mecca than look at their own Nation

Deep Sight: Copy and Paste? Even with the link and title. You d.aft little piece of snuckle from the rotten faeces of an orangutan, please just move on and have a nice day, and pick up the noodles you call a brain behind you.

I'm not looking for your infantile kind around here.

Next.

Truth is bitter, eh?


See what copy and paste does to intellect?

LagosShia: in Islam it is forbidden to kidnap people and enslave them or take free men for forced labor or sex,e.t.c.

generalizing that arab muslims did this or that is exagerration.this is mainly used by europeans and christians to cover up for the trans-atlantic slave trade.

not all arabs followed what Islam says or the limit,that one shoudl either free or ransom pow and that free men should not be kidnapped or enslaved.

you failed to accept that the arabs never had any military presence in west africa.their presence was based on trade,even if some among them took part in the slave trade.


the verse deals with servitude and not domination.



in Saudi Arabia for instance trafficking humans which is a form of slavery and using free men as commodity,if you are found guilty you stand 15 years imprisonment or a fine of one million riyal (266,666 dollar).

and this is what the Prophet (sa) said about enslaving free men:

"There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgement. Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats this money" (al-Bukhari and Ibn Majjah).

Shiekh Taqiuddin al-Nabhani, a shariah judge and founder of Hizb ut-Tahrir movement, gives the following explanation:

"When Islam came, for the situations where people were taken into slavery (e.g. debt), Islam imposed Shari’ah solutions to those situations other than slavery. ... It (Islam) made the existing slave and owner form a business contract, based upon the freedom, not upon slavery ... As for the situation of war, ... it clarified the rule of the captive in that either they are favoured by releasing without any exchange, or they are ransomed for money or exchanged for Muslims or non-Muslim citizens of the Caliphate".



I am a Muslim and you're not.you're a propagandist and Islam hater.

you can have your interpretation to yourself but that interpretation has no value to any Muslim.not even the value of tissue paper.



ransoming prisoners of war is justifiable and i can go on to defend that.you dont come and wage war against me and my people to oppress and kill us and then when you are defeated you go free.you even said your people dont use to enslave their pow.they behead them.and may be do ritual with their skulls.Islam is not as barbaric as one ritual found in igbo land to behead pow.Islam gives them the chance to free themselves.you dont kill people you capture in war and you have power over.you show them the least possible mercy as fellow humans.



arabs did not take their slaves to america or did they?

my point is africans whether dan fodio or before him,used to preach Islam among themselves.

sufi preachers were very popular in mali and senegal.see proof of that here:
https://www.nairaland.com/981172/salafist-militants-destroying-islams-history



it still does not tell me that it was slavery that spread Islam.

also,we are talking of sub sahara africa and nigeria and west africa;not nubia,upper sudan or egypt.stop moving your goal post.

1) Selling a POW within the community is slavery. Muhammad did that according to Bukhari. Ransom means to sell people back to their family/people. Selling a person to your own people (your fellow muslims) is slavery. There is a clear difference between ransom and slavery

2) Arabs brought Islam to West Africa. The Same Arabs that engaged in trade and slavery. I have also showed a link that cleary stated that Arabs got slaves through conquest. Which religion has ever replaced a local religion without slavery or conquest or government edict?

3) This military you are talking about is very funny. Define military? Do you mean Arab men with swords?

4) I have always brought evidence relating to West Africa and so I do not know what you're talking about when you say that I'm shifting the goal posts.

5) Islam was spread with war in the first place by Muhammad. Not peace. If even muhammad couldnt spread islam peacefully, how then did Arabs bring islam to West Africa other than slavery (which was their trade in Nigeria) or conquest.

LagosShia: i keep telling you that the definition europeans gave to slavery-making humans a commodity-and the abuse slaves faced,is not the same understanding that prisoners of war experience in Islam.

"slaves" can result from debt,war or, kidnapping others and selling them as commodity and this what europeans excelled in.


when you have a fellow human indebted to you from debt or war,Islam stipulates that he either be freed or ransomed.that is not how slavery you have the idea of from europeans sound.

POW's are not sold within the community as property. That is slavery and according to Bukhari Muhammad did so. I do not understand what you're defending.

LagosShia: in Islam,the source of "slaves" was restricted to war in preference to killing whole tribes en masse, as was the tradition at the time.

restricted to war to restricted to unbelievers?

LagosShia: the west is using alqaeda terrorists in Syria to wage their war because the russian and chinese double vetoe have stopped NATO from using force.

Whatever. We will never agree on politics.

LagosShia: so in order for it to be for all humanity,people must face mars as Qiblah?

in the bible,Jews used to face the temple in Jerusalem.if Islam is universal and the Ka'ba is described as the first house of worship for humanity,then why shouldn't us face Makkah? it is for all Muslims.at least it is only in Makkah that all Muslims feel the same.

you're confusing yourself and piling up unrelated issues.take it a step at a time.it would do you good.the way you sound inquisitive,if you are interested in learning little by little instead of arguing all the time,you stand to become a Muslim.and i wont be suprised if you eventually do.

See how a brainwashed person thinks? Instead of seeing the problem of religion, the person must fit the religion to solve the problem.

Why not stop the qibla in total? I hope you realise that the earth is not flat and as a result, millions of muslims are actually looking at space rather than Meccah itself?


In the topic of slavery. Facing meccah is mental slavery, it builds the inferiority complex in Africans, telling them that their land is not good enough just like their non-Arabic language is not good enough to understand the Quran.

Tell me, is God everywhere or only in Meccah? Are you praying to Muhammad's cities or Allah?

1) I have seen this copy and paste elsewhere. Why cant people use their own words?


2) There is no proof of God. Your last statement is false. Consciousness is not evidence.


3) Many things your copy and paste claims about atheism negatively are the negative effects of christianity. Just projection.

iv4fb: The truth is I wanna live right-religion won't interfere in that, not as an atheist for they have no hope, as a christian for IF all the Bible says be true, I have Hope in glory, not as 'the other' who enjoy killing innocent people to please 'their god', and also not as cultural religions for their mode of operation looks fetish to my personal understanding.

As a christian I'm free to think and do what is right plus I've got HOPE!

Atheists I challenge you this day-what have you got? And what's the essence of living if you have no HOPE?

Ignorance
https://www.nairaland.com/969450/atheists-hope-what-purpose-life

Another shameful thing is the fact that one has to face Mecca. Serioulsy? Doesnt that show that it is not meant for Africans that have no Arabic heritage from Mecca?

Onyocha: Kai,LagosShia is very wicked.

see the way he used Logicbwoy and mop the floor with his logic.

Cheerleading is a habit

LagosShia: we are talking again of Muhammad (sa) and the battles he fought and the early muslims who were oppressed fought to defend themselves and in the process did win those battles and captured prisoners.

there were instances in later ages that muslims were offended and fought back and there was an instance the muslims stage an offensive war.the only one was the conquest of persia under the second Sunni caliph,Umar.

The captured prisoners were enslaved. A POW remains in prison. A slave gets sold within the community. Big difference.

LagosShia: [size=14pt]as for black africans,they were either selling themselves out of their backwardness and stupidity to foreigners to work or they captured themselves in inter-tribal wars and sold their enemies off to labor.those are two ways you can make slaves and prisoners.nonetheless what Islam says should not be mistaken for what anyone did or does.[/size]

Shameless. Just so you know, there was a video on youtube about mental slavery and christianity. The video showed african-americans who were poor and semi-literate and also christians. These people were defending christianity while blaming Africans and their paganism for slave trade. They said similar things that you just said in the above quote. I will look for that video

[size=14pt]
There were Jewish-Nazi collaborators. Nobody blames Jews for the Holocaust. But we Africans are ready to blame our forefathers for surrendering people to their conquerers as if it is easy to sell your brother and sister. Take a look at your family and community and have a deep think about what on earth would make you engage in selling them when slavery is not part of your culture. I come from a tribe that slaves were taken from in the past in Nigeria, my tribe never sold slaves as a commodity. POW's from other villages were beheaded- this all changed with the Europeans.[/size]

LagosShia: if it was Muhammad (sa) that attacked afghanistan and took "terrorists" and imprisoned them at guantanamo bay,you hypocrite would shout that Muhammad (sa) took "slaves".in guantanamo bay,the muslim prisoners were tortured.in Islam prisoners of war are to be treated with kindness and not tortured or beaten or harmed in anyway.you either set them free or ransom them.

in the last ten years,millions of muslims have being killed in iraq and afghanistan.the west have fought 6 wars against muslim countries.

in 2001 invasion of afghanistan.

in 2003,invasion of iraq.

in 2006,war on lebanon.

in 2009,war on gaza

in 2011 war on libya

in 2012, war on syria.

and dont forget the american drone attacks killing thousands of innocent civilians in afghanistan,pakistan and yemen.

I am a Nigerian first and foremost and do not support the Iraqi war or persecution of muslims. I do not also believe that Libya and Syria wars were the fault of the West.

Gaddaffi, ironically, was blaming Al Qeada for the Libya uprising.

LagosShia: i do not want to know whether Kano was a slave port for arabs or whoever.

i want to see how slavery spread Islam in sub sahara africa.can you show me that?

and using a term as "arab muslims" is a big generalization because Islam that is authority for those arab muslims does not necessarily support what each individual does.

You do know that it was Arabs that brought islam to Nigeria? That is a fact. The same Arabs that were slave trading. Add 2 + 2.

LagosShia: whether "servants" is used in the translation or "slave",the word in that verse in arabic is "abeed" and that literally means "slave".the verse makes it clear we are only "abeed" to Allah (swt).

So, you would remix your own Quran just to debate a kaffir? Shameless. The point of that verse is that the word of the Quran is not meant for men to use to dominate other men but for Allah.


The problem is that slavery was not seen as "dominating" but a natural part of life like rich and poor, in the Hadith and Quran.

What is the punishment for slavery in the Quran for slavery if it is a sin or forbidden?

LagosShia: from honest question about Muhammad,to 17 million takes as slaves by muslims.and Islam was spread by going against Islamic injunctions.and even if it is 100 million,i can have a prisoner of war captured to work for me ,if i ransom you and even if i did not capture you.

again,i reject the word "slave".i am not european and not christian.when talking to me,let us talk about pow.

You can reject the word "slave" all you want. It doesnt change the fact that "what your right hand possesses" is slavery. Slavery is not haraam in the Quran and muslim scholars will tell you that. Why should I take the word of a "Shia promoter" like yourself more seriously than muslim scholars?


Once you sell a human being for a price as property, that is slavery. Do you know that "ransom" in the West is only used to mean "kidnap bounty". Muhammad sold slaves according to the hadith there. Unless you can prove the Hadith false.

LagosShia: it seems you have never heard of Usman Dan Fodio.

i am still waiting for you to prove to me that Arab Muslims were in kaduna and kogi.

and you have still not explained the logic of how religion can be spread through slavery.as in through colonization and conquest like the europeans did and spread christianity,i can understand.but not when arabs never conquer west africa nor had any military presence.

Usman dan fodio lived long after transatlantic slavery had started infact, 3 centuries or more before.


I showed you a link that explicitly shows that the Arabs got slaves in Africa through conquering.

Slaves were obtained through conquest, tribute from vassal states (in the first such treaty, Nubia was required to provide hundreds of male and female slaves), offspring (children of slaves were also slaves, but since many slaves were castrated this was not as common as it had been in the Roman empire), and purchase. The latter method provided the majority of slaves, and at the borders of the Islamic Empire vast number of new slaves were castrated ready for sale (Islamic law did not allow mutilation of slaves, so it was done before they crossed the border). The majority of these slaves came from Europe and Africa -- there were always enterprising locals ready to kidnap or capture their fellow countrymen.

Black Africans were transported to the Islamic empire across the Sahara to Morocco and Tunisia from West Africa, from Chad to Libya, along the Nile from East Africa, and up the coast of East Africa to the Persian Gulf. This trade had been well entrenched for over 600 years before Europeans arrived, and had driven the rapid expansion of Islam across North Africa.

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/a/IslamRoleSlavery01.htm

[quote author=Rafidi ]logicboy,

how did your "honest question" about Prophet Muhammad (s) turn into an argument on arabs? doesn't the Quran say that the people deepest in hypocrisy can be found among arabs? so how do you expect each and everyone of them to be a true Muslim? it is wrong to group people and generalize about them.[/quote]WTF? Seriously? You cant see how the debate moved from the Quran/hadith to transatlantic slave trade?


I dont see you answering the question. Either shut up or answer the question.

kokabiel: You may try to concentrate on preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ rather than whine about how Seun is not letting you do otherwise.

There was a tiem i did a search for Jesus on Religion Section (wish Seun could put back that feature) and found it way below words like Pastor Chris, Daddy GO, TB Joshua was actually far less mentioned on the Religion section and close to Jesus Christ. so what are Christians really discussing when they are not slagging on non-christians.

Wow, so it is even christians that are destroying their own religion. They rather talk about Past Chris and TB Joshua than Jesus! LMAO

LagosShia: lol.

so now you want to discuss another topic:liberal muslims!!!

does being a "liberal muslim" mean one should not pray,fast or practice religion? there is nothing like liberal Muslims.you are either a muslim or you are not.you are either following Islam or you're not.you're either doing the right thing or you're not.if being liberal means not to fast,then you are not following Islam.likewise,killing people and becoming an "extremist muslim" is against Islam,so you're not following Islam.

we are talking here about Muslim athletes fasting during the olympics.

No, I just thought about the muslims that drink beer and dont care about fasting. Not everybody is religious.

LagosShia: your definition and interpretation of slavery as the christian white man practiced it is different from what the Muslim understands about prisoners of war.

if i take you as prisoner of war,and i do not have use for your labor to compensate my people for the damage and loss you and your people have caused me,what do i do with you? whether you call it "sell" or "give" or "ransom" or whatever,let me tell you what i would do.i would find someone else who is ready to make use of your labor.i will hand you over to him and ask him to pay me for the labor he is going to benefit from you.

in nigeria today,you have security agencies who offer the services of men as security guards.if you own a company,you pay the agency 25,000 naira for one guard monthly.in the end the agency pays the guard 10,000 naira and keep the remaining.may be you would call that voluntary slavery.the point is,when you wage war against another people to kill and oppress them and you have caused them loss and damage,when they defeat you and take you as prisoner,do not try to find excuses and ways to complain or criticize.

Were all theconquered lands of muslims causing muslims problems? Were black Africans at war with Arab muslims?


You have got to be delusional to think that all Arab wars were the fault of non-muslims. This is the same kind of victimhood that terrorists use to justify their cause. "The West attacked us" Waaah!

LagosShia: they were in west africa and also in salt.the spread of Islam deeper into Nigeria was not done by arabs.it was done by blacks.timbuktu and ancient Ghana and also Kanem Borno were the major centers of trade.then the black converts also spread the religion among themselves.

you probably have the imagination that arabs came all the way to Kaduna and Kogi spreading Islam "through slavery".

i still wonder how someone who comes to buy me and my people as slaves can be so successful in making me believe him or what he is preaching.and there was no arab army even in Kanem borno,timbuktu and ancient ghana.


prisoners of war is regulated.there is nothing like slavery in Islam and it is forbidden in the Quran.your definition and interpretation of slavery as the christian white man practiced it is different from what the Muslim understands about prisoners of war.

Holy Quran 3:79
"It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and 'Nabuwah' (prophethood), then he should say to men: Be my slaves rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be sustenance providers (Rabaniyoon) because of your teaching the Book and your studying (it yourselves)."

from the above verse we can only be slaves to Allah (swt).


and who counted them? and even if they did,we are talking about Islam and Muhammad (sa) here.and i can claim that last year alone Muslims in Nigeria consumed 17 million litrs of alcoholic beverages.so?


bring me evidence the arab muslims were in Nigeria and then we will find out what they were doing.you have not even brought evidence to back your claim they were in nigeria.

i keep telling you that the arab muslims in earlier days came for trade and the salt and gold trade was the main attraction.there was no arab army sub sahara africa.



Islam spread in sub sahara africa and south east asia and these places became majority muslim countries with no violence or war.no arab army i repeat.you cannot make false claims you cannot back up.

either provide evidence or silence.you cannot brainwash me by accusing me of being brainwashed when you have no fact to present.

I have to rush. So I will quickly debunk you;


1) Kano was one of the slave ports for Arab slave trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade (go to bottom of page)

Arabs were trading slaves in Nigeria


2)That verse is a remixed versed. It has nothing to do with selling or enslaving people.

Sahih International
It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, "Be servants to me rather than Allah ," but [instead, he would say], "Be pious scholars of the Lord because of what you have taught of the Scripture and because of what you have studied."




3) 17 million black slaves were estimated to be taken by muslims. I provided the proof for that. You can keep living in denial.


4) Arabs were in Nigeria taking slaves. They brought islam to Nigeria, I dont know where you got the lie that black muslim converts from other West Africacn places or sub-sahran places brough islam. That is something that can never be proven and is logically impossible when they were enslaved themselves

LagosShia: it is not my business whether lent is voluntary or not.my point is if the ahtletes are not muslim who care about their beliefs,Islamic scholars do not interfere with how others practice they religion.they interfere when Muslims want to know how to practice.

No problem but I pity liberal muslims in such countries

frosbel: On the contrary , mature minds simply want to engage in debate with other mature minds, as simple as that.

You for one, have taken it one notch up to kindergarten level !

You cant win on the internet with atheists. No way.

Ay92: Please,before you criticize me,I know this topic has been addressed numerous times on this site,but the answers haven't been able to convince me as I seem to be addicted to this type of music.I have both types on my phone and even the CDs.Is there anything wrong in it when a good christian listen to secular songs?And please state your reasons for whatever your answer is.Thanks

You are free to listen to songs you like. The issue is if the song leads you to do bad things.

frosbel: With the invasion of this forum by atheists and others of no fixed religion, it is becoming more and more apparent that Seun needs to provide Christians with a section of theirs.

It is almost impossible to fellowship with other believers on this forum because of childish trolls roaming the place, entering every topic not meant for them, adding silly comments and providing no value to the thread and constantly derailing topics.

80% of the topics raised on this forum are by atheists , who while denying the existence of God spend almost their entire time ( not sure if they have real jobs ) talking about him.

Most people of good intention and maturity have left this forum, and people like me are fast beginning to lose interest .

Do something about it, before the quality and quantity of debaters abandon this forum.

lol....so atheists are winning?

How the mighty have fallen!

LagosShia: Muhammad (sa) never sold any slave.Muhammad (sa) had prisoners of war that you refer to as "slaves" (because that is the language the white man has imparted into your subconcious) from enemy tribes and communities who either have to convert to be set free or ransom themselves by laboring for an appointed time or be sold to or ransomed by another person,if the services of the pow is not needed by muslims.otherwise a pow must eventually be set free.and since the pow comes from an enemy group who waged war on muslims and caused them harm and damage,compensation must be offered to the muslims.

Did you make that comment with a straight face? I will leave it to people to see the contradiction in your statement. The beginning says that Muhammad did not sell slaves. The end says that POWs were sold to others. What do you call selling one human being to the other for labour or ownership?

LagosShia: so all the arab muslims who were engaged in trade of gold and salt in west africa,were trading slaves and violating Islamic injunctions?

1) Arab muslims were not trading in gold in Nigeria.

2) Yes, they were trading slaves. Slavery is not haraam in Islam and has never been. Slavery is only regulated. You will never find a single quote in the Quran that says slavery is forbidden will be punished by God. What is the punishment for slavery according to the Quran?

3) Muslims took about 17 million black slaves. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1523100.stm

LagosShia: you claimed Islam was spread by slavery.i pointed out that there was never any arab army in west africa and no colonization like the europeans did and spread christianity.

you brought a fake evidence that does not support your claim. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1523100.stm

show me where it is stated that Islam in west africa spread through slavery and show me if there was any arab army that ever stepped foot in sub sahara africa.

if you cannot,then keep quiet and stop arguing blindly.

Fake evidence? lololol. See this brainwashed fellow.


1) What were Arab muslims doing in Nigeria? They were the ones that brought Islam to Nigeria. What were they doing? Slave trade. So how is it that I can not come to a conclusion that Islam came through slavery?


2) Another logical deduction; foreign religions never take over local religions unless there is domination or a government decree. No religion has ever spread through trade, especially over local ones. How is it that Islam did not spread through the domination and slavery of Nigerians in northern Nigeria?

Niflheim: according to the legend,the olympics were started by hercules who was gay cause he slept with hylas,he was a transvetite cause he dressed like a woman for queen omphale and he was into an ancient form of york rite freemasonry cause he performed 12 tasks to reach the 13th stage of deification..........now all muslim and christian nations have blessed the ritual.

lol....I heard a different legend about Heracles and the olympics. This one had no freemasonry conspiracy

LagosShia: yes fasting is not necessary for them and they can go if they want.but a normal human being knows that a muslim country is represented by the majority of atheletes who are muslims.

unfortunately, you are right

LagosShia: if those athletes do not care about their faith,the religious authorities would not bother.did you ever hear an Islamic scholar talking about whether catholic footballers should fast or not during lent?

lol....I was a catholic for 22 years. Fasting during lent has been revised to being voluntary before I was even born. Fasting could be stopping to smoke cigars for lent or not eating sweet things. The pace and duration is dependent on the catholic alone.


Sport is a religion. Christians go to church on sundays. British people go to stadiums on Sundays to watch football/rugby

LagosShia: never mind selling.this was the explanation i gave you on why a "slave" or rather a prisoner of war should ransom himself:






to start with bukhari is a Sunni hadith compilation.i could have easily used that and excuse myself and tell you that i do not discuss or defend hadiths found in Sunni compilations.but i did not do that.i tried to analyze them.even if they were found in Shia compilations or books of hadith,each hadith must be examined,verified and graded.we did not do that.but again never mind as there is nothing that cannot be explained or defended from the hadiths you copied in bukahri.

1) When Bukhari is used to praise Muhammed's good deeds, no one says that it Sunni or Shia or unverified. The moment that it shows something negative, it is unverified.


2) Did Muhammad sell slaves or my information is wrong. I want you to give a straight answer. No more perambulating

LagosShia: first let me treat your earlier stubborness i left unattended to because i was rushing to pray.



no where in the evidence you presented did i read that Islam spread through slavery in sub-sahara africait is not written there.in fact what was written there is about nubia.and i earlier stated that in sub-sahara africa no arab army ever stepped foot.Islam spread through trade.and that even if among arabs there were those who took part in slavery contrary to islamic injunctions,that they were on their own.the main trading that was done between north-south was salt and gold.

you can claim christianity came through slavery because there is evidence that even the church supported the european policy on slavery.also,the europeans colonized and came with their armies.the arabs again never came with an army to sub-sahara africa to colonize.it was through trade and cultural interaction islam spread.

also,i fail to udnerstand how slavery (taking slaves abroad) can serve as machanism to spread religion when there is no colonization.

lolololol. Brainwashing at its finest.


1) Tell me what Arab muslims were buying from Nigeria then.

2) Tell me which religion has ever spread by trade in the history of humanity. Religion can only gain acceptance in a foriegn land over a local religion through war, domination or government decree.

3) Did the Europeans come with armies in the first place to spread christianity in Nigeria?

ijawkid: The catholic church accepts everything..paganism and everything....

Mayb u culd rejoin them since they now accept d evolution scam...

lol

ijawkid: Keep running away..

As ur masters tell u,u follow..

Keep going round in circles

U guys have given urself d task to prove humans came by chance..the universe too..

We'll just sit back and wait to debunk u.

Which masters? Science? lol.


Am I too much for you?


Even the catholic church accepts evolution. Other christian oragnizations are following suit.


Howver, black christians remain the laggard and slow-pokes

toba: I'm happy this is coming from u cos an atheist said that we are apes. I can say (based on ur conclusion) that atheists that believes u 'Area Boy' is an ape is confused.

Does it not mean most of u guys defending the evolution u never witnessed don't fully understand the theory? What's ur proof that (if at all we evolved) that God wasn't responsible for evolution?

NB no one can say for sure that God wasn't responsible for evolution

We are Apes if "Apes" refers to the hominids or the whole family of Homonoidae

If we were being specific on the genus and species we are not apes.

It is how certain people use the word "apes" that causes the confusion.

ijawkid: Oboy there's no debunking what not...

That's so lame.....

So looking @ that pix u so 100percent agree that we did evolve from those chimpanzes...
SMH!!!!!

Its ur kind that engages in bestiality...lol...sorry to say that...

If I culd remember some1 here asked about d missing links...

Can u show me where they is??

Always ur gods(evolutionist) run around saying they'v found d missing link all just media publicity...

But d sad part is fellow evolutionist debunk those findings

Missing link? Dont you guys ever read? Missing link is an outdated term for deist thinking on evolution.

Did you ignore my debunking quote;

Logicbwoy: [img]https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/765112_article-0-02EC002200000578-483_468x326_jpg91253850ee8a837da20c156ad6c29d3e[/img]

[size=14pt]The above image shows humans evolving from other hominids (not layman "apes" eg gorillas and chimpanzees)[/size]


Notice where gorillas and homos are on the picture;

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Hominidae.PNG[/img]

LagosShia: oh,so it is the life of muslims that should be miserable,abi?

Huh? The Olympics is there. No one is forcing any muslim to go or not to go. There are non-muslim that can represent their country in the olympics.

You on the other hand, would love to make life miserable for muslims who dont want to fast and non-muslims who want to go for olympics as fasting is not necessary for them.

LagosShia: why? is it that you can't display nonsense there?

Forget Shia chat.

LagosShia: so fasting is hindrance and not sport that is hindrance to fasting.it is all about priority.and as a muslim fasting is more of a priority to me.so leave the muslim athletes to decide for themselves.your olympics is not going to make them stop being muslims.

Agreed. The decision is for the ahtletes but your Mullahs, Sheiks and Islamic officials always want to meddle in people's affairs. Alhamdulilah that common sense worked in Malaysia!

LagosShia: the hadiths you mentioned talk of him buying or paying for or ransoming or freeing a "slave".

and even if he sold a "slave",i think i have already explained the circumstances that makes that acceptable.

besides,we are talking on hadiths that are not verified and we do not know their grade.

Nope, the first quote shows Muhammad selling a slave to another muslim (No'aim). How can there be any justification for selling a slave? You need to rethink your morals/ethics

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So now the hadith are unverified? Isnt Buhkari well cited?