bukatyne:


Hmmmmm

I do not think it is impossible to strike a balance. I think humans are too emotionally lazy to.

And very spot-on as regards civilizations tending towards the extreme.

That's the major error of 3rd wave feminism.

I salute your optimism. And really I do not want to go into the fine details why your optimism is not rooted in reality (it's wishful thinking).

Your statement on the laxity of humans in terms of emotions depends on what lens you use to evaluate the concept. The fortitude of humans to move past tragic experiences is admirable, although the recent observation of declining mental health on a society-wide scale calls that into question.

About the major error of 3rd wave feminism. It's more of a major error of modern day activism. Modern day activists see their causes as their religion. The fervor is a double-edged sword. Because while the unparalleled commitment sounds great to rally support among peers, it also inadvertently leads to going off the bender because they see it as a never-ending battle.

Be they animal rights activists, feminists, LGBT activists, green activists, et cetera. That's why you hear cuckoo ideas from all of their camps. Animal rights activists would rather we all moved to solely plant-based diets regardless of the cost to our health. Feminists want us to disregard the innocent until proven guilty maxim (not for everything tho', just the part that benefits them) and believe all women. LGBT activists can't decide on the number of sexual orientations are out there: Oh and while they're at it how about inventing dozens of genders, and equating misgendering to racism. Green activists, well most of us are monsters for not caring about the environment, well that excludes the private jet trips of both the activists and their holier-than-thou donors that pollutes the earth more than the average person does.

Now it's not like their causes are completely garbage. We should preserve our animal population for conservation reasons and people should only have pets if they can take adequate care of them. Women should have access to the same opportunities men have. No one should be discriminated against because of their sexual preferences. And climate change is real, we've only got one planet (atm).

But then they engage in activism using these noble ideals as their platform, run with it, go overboard, and unsurprisingly turn people off. Then go on to conjure up labels for anyone who dares critique anything they spout. For animal rights activists, their favorite is you're a monster when you disagree with them. Feminists--misogynist. LGBT activists--bigot. Green activists would just insult you with any cuss word that comes to them at the time, because one label doesn't cut it.

-Lord

thebosstrevor:


you are now writing like you know all nobody can have an opinion even when you write trash down.

the fact is if you read the history of many successful white men, the white women were also instrumental in helping build the business, as i have said earlier, building business isnt a new stuff to them, it something they do compare to us thus lot of support,you never see a corporate and educated white woman that knows the business has potential leave her husband, you can check out the top billionaires today and see if they are still not married to their wives. even most of the successful black men are married to white women in the US.

so you think a millionaire or billionaires will have time for his family and kids?, do you know why many of them need supportive wives and marry good women who can help take care of kids because there is nothing like work and life balance when you get to that status, you are constantly on airplanes traveling to meet customers and investors and attending conference or trying to socialise to get deals. so you think, men of thse status attend their children school meetings or event. that stuff are for average people not men owning multi-millions or billions dollars businesses.

what are you saying about odetola and his wife, even if the kids grow up in the UK, they married in Nigeria, nigeria law will take effects if things goes wrong even if she files for divorce in the UK, also she and odetola must be a habitual residence in the uk or lived for a number of years before she can file for divorce in the uk, also there is jurisdiction, all his properties and asset are in Nigeria, she has no legal jurisdiction to claim any property because the Uk laws stops at the Uk border and for your information she does not have right to any 50% even if the wealth was made by him because he didnt start the business, his father started it, most of the property is held in family trust and protected against divorce.a prime example is Michael Prest who won a divorce court case in the uk by proving to the court that his business was started by his father in Nigeria. or do you think, once people divorce, they just assign 50% of the man's property to the wife, it doesn't work that way. also any property that a man brings into the marriage is usually off-limits to the wife

for the california tenancy law, from my research, you can evict you GF or FWB if their names are not in the lease agreement, if their names are on the lease agreement it is difficult, if their names are not on the lease like the way smart men will do it, If there's no agreement and she doesn't pay rent, you can serve her with a 30 day notice to terminate the tenancy at will.

Now, you're just making it a waste of time responding to your verbose replies.

I'd just point out the inaccuracies, because anything else is simply not worth the time or effort.

you never see a corporate and educated white woman that knows the business has potential leave her husband

That's factually incorrect. NEVER? Really?!

you can check out the top billionaires today and see if they are still not married to their wives

Ditto for our own top Nigerian billionaires and their wives.

because there is nothing like work and life balance when you get to that status,

Dude STFU! And start taking your meds, really you need to.

a prime example is Michael Prest who won a divorce court case in the uk by proving to the court that his business was started by his father in Nigeria.

Do you even fact-check before typing anything? Because simply typing "Michael Prest divorce" into Google throws up results that are very different from the account you're painting. Dude lost his divorce case -- http://venturesafrica.com/billionaire-oil-tycoon-michael-prest-loses-26m-divorce-battle/. That's from March this year.

Since I've trashed your example, can you see how wrong you are?

READ! READ!! READ!!!

STOP TALKING SH*T YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!! It's becoming infuriating now.

Your entire paragraph California tenancy law only echoes what I've said and you were ignorantly arguing. You can't just kick anyone out without sufficient prior notice, unlike in Nigeria. That's been my point all along. What the hell is going on in that fuzzy mesh of neurons you call a brain?

Seriously, if you quote me with another pile of garbage, I would just strikethrough all of it. Get your sh*t together.

-Lord

thebosstrevor:


you dont know what you are talking about, i am not putting any white woman on any pedestal... i am saying the facts that is why in the same america more black men marry white women because they consider them supportive. we can even look at present factual facts here in Nigeria, how many women are ready to build wealth with their husband or bf then we can compare it to the number of women who wants ready made rich husband, the latter is higher than the former and this is reality, the reason many Nigerian women want ready made men is because of standard of living and also because we are a poor country where resources is scares, so what are you talking about, how many Nigerian women in this generation wont hesitate to leave your sorry ass once the cash is no more there.. the old generation is different from the new generation, this generation no woman believes in you or your dreams, they even mock you and shame you, why struggle with you when the next bobo down the street has already made it. you think say to start the business in nigeria from scratch na easy task, i sometimes understand these women, as a man to create a business from scatch is difficult, depressing, you are living life on the edge.. which Nigerian woman want to take that risk. i dont even advice young entrepreneurs to date or marry when building their business, most Nigerian women won't understand when sometimes you are moody, your emotions are swinging daily, you are sometimes depressed and almost suicidal until the business grows and is stable

Oga a white woman would just as likely drop you like a hot potato if you run into financial difficulties. Say what you know.

And women the world over (regardless of race) marry up, including those who are able to fend for themselves. Hypergamy is a fact of life.

If you think a Nigerian woman is selfish, you clearly haven't sized up the intellect of a Caucasian woman. Their feelings and happiness are the most important things in their lives.

You talking about Nigerian women not understanding pressures and all of that stuff, and you somehow think Caucasian women compromise on family life, having their time, and all of those things Nigerian men take for granted. Why do you think successful people from millionaires to billionaires over there marry and divorce all the time. If you begin to travel all the time, miss important events in your kids' lives, you're damn sure you'd soon have the talk. Which most of the time culminates in having to see a three-figure per hour shrink you have to pay for.

and the stuff you wrote about odetola and his wife is false, the man was already rich when he married her and who told you they built wealth together, his father was former governor of lagos state who had access to power to get contracts for oil blocks. the company he controls today was built by his father his father and nana does not have any right to any 50% if they divorce today.

Guy some yarning crap. Read up on divorce law. One of their residences is in the UK, their kids grew up there, meaning she can file for divorce in the UK. And the UK as any informed person knows has the most protective (or exploitative) divorce laws on the planet.

Much of Otedola's wealth was acquired after he got married to Nana. He founded Zenon in 2003 which turbocharged him from well-to-do (due to his background) to him currently being wealthy via Forte Oil. Nana will get over $300m if she divorced Otedola in the UK as any self-respecting divorce attorney would advise.

There's a reason why informed wealthy men who move to the UK often have their wives sign comprehensive post-nups.

So in the US, men dont threaten their wives, FWB and girl friends and dont send them packing.. i hope you know what you are saying, they do that also.. i read about men driving their wives, GF or FWB back to her parent house or her house, pls nothing is perfect in america.

pls tenenacy laws in the US does not work like you wrote it in the case of GF and FWB.. are they paying rent? no is a GF or FWB a legal tenant- NO.. you can evict and send them packing from your house as long they dont pay rent and there is no contract agreement,

Read my post intently and do your research. It's your kind that fail to understand the legal ramifications of potential actions and then when you head over there you get f*cked over if a woman chooses to be vindictive.

I'd give you an example so you know you're out of your depth on this. For example under California tenancy laws, a guest who stays for more than 2 weeks within a 6 months period is a tenant regardless of whether s/he contributed to rent or not.

I'd quote an excerpt from a California legal advice site:

What Happens When a Guest Overstays His Welcome?

A true short-term guest is someone who has been on the property for less than three days. Homeowners retain the right to ask guests to leave immediately, at any time, for any reason.

Anyone who has been on the property for more than three days but less than a year, and has not paid rent, can be served a 30 Day Notice to Quit that serves to terminate their Tenancy At Will. Homeowners or apartment-sharers should talk to a lawyer about how to properly file and serve the notice.

Did the guest pay rent at any given point in time? If they live on the property for more than a year, they can still be served a Notice to Quit. Instead, you must grant them a full 60-day notice before you can officially end the relationship.

It’s important to note that homeowners can’t simply change the locks and evict someone who has a Tenancy At Will. This action may be considered an illegal eviction, which carries a penalty of up to $100 per day.

https://sfvbareferral.com/when-does-a-guest-become-a-tenant-in-california/

I'm very sure I do more reading in a day than you do in a week and I only talk about stuff I have verifiable knowledge about. It's also why I don't care about labels either. They don't register on my mind, because they're intellectually lazy BS!

So again I tell you, broaden your horizons. And I'd add, stick to commenting about stuff you know about. You must not have an opinion on everything.

-Lord

Ugosample:



indeed

I'm glad you get the angle I'm coming from

(Nature/Nuture angle

If you have been in say Ashanti land, the women there are largely free with the bar, as opposed to say an Igbo woman

because they were raised DIFFERENTLY and see the world differently

I recall using the term "in general".

There are several reasons why the "hers is hers" understanding is pervasive, nurture is only one of them. Even then, the elements of nurturing that result in that viewpoint varies widely.

-Lord

Ugosample:


I wholeheartedly agree with you on this tho

The problem really is that due to human nature it's impossible to strike a balance. Cultures would always sit close to one of two extremes like a swinging pendulum. Power can intoxicate. So whichever gender sniffs it just keeps running with it until they reach an extreme and things swing to the opposite.

I mean in Georgian England, husbands had the right to hit their wives for discipline. Today, it is socially acceptable for women in general to slap a guy if she feels like it. Swinging pendulum.

-Lord

Ugosample:


coscharis wife supported him all the way

That is one exception

and there are others as well.

but that one stands out and I had to mention it

another example is a man who was a grocery owner when I was much younger decade's back

the wife was actively building the stores, and they grew TOGETHRR until the man passed *teary eyes*

so yes, there are still women who support men to build wealth, even tho its not the norm in Nigeria sha....

It's not the norm anywhere in the world.

The Western culture just overappreciates the contributions of women and the Nigerian culture (for the most part) underappreciates their contributions.

-Lord

thebosstrevor:


no Nigerian woman can never get this type of settlement in her lifetime because they dont build wealth with their men.... so wake up from your slumber.. how many of them can even support a man that wanna build a business like how jeff ex-wife did, their only contribution is nagging a man to death. most women that i have seen that supported their husbands to success and greatness and added her skills to the growth of the business has been white women, that is why they get nice packages when divorced.

i am a misogynist for disagreeing with you.if that is it let it be.. you need to grow up.

You may need to widen your horizons.

Nigerian women are just as supportive as white women. Even more so. We just don't have the same laws and the will to enact even the ones we have now.

For example, here men threaten their wives all the time to send them packing. In the US, you can't even threaten your live-in FWB whether she has contributed a dime to rent or not, due to tenancy laws. You have to give prior notice and she has to be able to get a place to stay. If she's a wife or legally protected co-habitant, and she's unable to afford a decent accommodation, you're legally obligated to provide such until she's able to. Failure to do so could mean charges being brought. And the best part, tenancy laws doesn't require expensive legal representation.

That's why you see Nigerian feminists bleating up and down, because they know if only a tenth of Western laws are enforced in Nigeria, there'd be gnashing of teeth. And why I advice the so-called knights to be careful what they wish for, because we can all testify to the preponderance of Nigerians (women and men alike) to overdo...

By Western standards, someone like Nana Otedola helped Femi Otedola build his business empire and deserves 50% of all his wealth if they were to divorce today. She doesn't need to know anything about oil and gas or any business for that matter. Bezos would have had to give Mackenzie the $35b or $65b even if she didn't work in the formative years of Amazon. Melinda Gates didn't, and she's still entitled by current legal standards to $40b+.

Don't put white women on a pedestal. Na condition make cray fish bend.

-Lord

Ugosample:


pls get my point


The way A LOT OF WOMEN we're raised contributed to their mentality towards "their money"

I once dated a German then (of Ukrainian origin sha, but she German) and the policy was "our money is our money"
I made it clear from day 1 that this was my expectation of our relationship; and if she no want, there is no point we going to any level

And that was it.


in subsequent relationships after that; it was the same

so it's a blend of the upbringing and mentality of the woman AND the tolerance of their partners towards the policy.

that's my point

as for women using sex as a bargaining chip; that's the truth in many many instances

It's the old nature/nurture debate. I didn't want to get into it, because the observation doesn't require it.

The point about partner permission is not as important as you're making it. Because by and large every relationship is bound by mutually-agreed rules. Doesn't change the compass needle for all of society or the default behavioral elements.

By default, the "hers is hers, his is ours" anthem holds true. You're an exception to the rule, not the epitome.

So when I say in general, women are tight-fisted with their money, the factors that inform that position aren't what I want to dwell on, just the observation.

-Lord

Ugosample:


women who are tight fisted with their money do that because their partners have allowed them to/created the atmosphere for such

That is a fact

Upbringing of a lot of women also have its role to play
BUT

Their partners allow and permit it

You mean the same way the partners also let the women determine the composition of their social circle, the interests that they can continue to fester, and all of little things they subtly do that turns out to be a training regime.

You really can't be serious. Unless you're trying to be clever by half. This is not even in the realm of anecdotes, it is a universal truth. Poll any random sample size of guys and majority would tell you "his is ours. hers is hers" is not a Hollywood machination.

And I'd be damned if I try to contest that with you. Your statement is the equivalent of saying women don't use sex as a bargaining chip in relationships. It only happens because "their partners allow and permit it." Yh right!

-Lord

lielbree:

Who's talking about staff here? We are talking about the owners of the company. She owns part of the company. She was a co founder.
Jeff got an easy deal!

She's not a co founder on any SEC document.

She was only a staff early on.

If you have any proof to back up your assertion, share it here or stop spouting inaccurate claptrap.

-Lord

Ugosample:


my paternal uncle got a divorce as well, and he had to settle his ex wife

Woman he married from Nigeria sha
I often make mention About that here

so yes indeed a family.member has gotten a divorce

do I feel bad about it?
nope


Tho I see why you said that she does not deserve the $65b

but the law said she does, so....
We are quoting the provision of the law (in some States sha)


I am.a proponent of a fair divorce settlement

Especially when the marriage lasted a long time



someone in your family MAY have gone through a nasty dovorce for you to be very passionate about this issue.

And even if the divorce settlement is 50/50, don't you know that men often get richer after the settlement, and moving on?

and lastly it does not hurt my feelings
I could care less.

I'm saying that law is sh*t. In France the law states that a man cannot get a paternity test. That law is sh*t.

If a law is not logically fair, it's sh*t and should be amended. And people who call for said amendment should not be cast as bigots by those who predominantly benefit from the law.

And the interesting part is that women are in general tight-fisted with their money. Her money is hers, his money is ours.

-Lord

Ugosample:


after losing all her money, she has no claim to the man's money again

That woman is STUPID

the law does not even support that

There was another case where the woman got $1.2m+ in cash and $120+k in annual alimony payments. Payments were to end in 2021. She went to court to try to extend it to make it lifetime. It even got to the Supreme Court. Thankfully, the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

The only reason these cases are getting sh*t on now is because a lot of women are becoming millionaires rapidly and it's in their interest to adjust the laws before folks like Nick Cannon dip their hands into their trust funds, inheritances, settlements, or worse off fortune made by bursting their a$$ off in a less than palatable male-dominated profession.

Up until now, when it was almost always men getting the short end of the stick. It was fair game.

And I'm saying if these alimony practices are being scrutinized now, why leave out divorce settlements?

Jeff was always going to give Mackenzie billions. I would if I were in his shoes. No self-respecting man would want the mother of his kids to live as a pauper regardless of relationship status. It is the entitlement that drives me up the wall. The nerve to suggest that $35b is a lenient settlement?

It's like Jeff giving his siblings stakes in Amazon. Each is worth a few hundreds of millions, soon to be billionaires. They did not earn a cent. They're not entitled to a cent. It was handed to them by virtue of consanguinity.

And I'm particular about this because I'm a brutal realist and ardent capitalist. There's nothing more infuriating than people feeling entitled to money they didn't earn. Whether it's socialists against rich people, politicians taxing the wealthy, or spouses and extended family members laying claim to part of a breadwinner's assets.

It's just like if Kylie Jenner marries Travis Scott. And in the divorce settlement, he gets to cart away 50% of her $150m+ annual income/net worth increase over the number of years they stay together, while having zero input in her cosmetic empire. That sh*t is mental!

Diane Hendrick started ABC Supply with her late husband. She was involved in day to day operations and is currently the sole owner and Chairperson. Today, she's worth over $6.7b. That I can get behind. Not an English major getting entitled to $65b because she worked as an amateur bean counter for a few months when many other employees at the same time worked round the clock for years.

-Lord

Ugosample:


that guy has obvious issues, especially with women


A divorce settlement is what it is, a divorce settlement, which could swing either way, depending on who is richee; or who earns more

He does not even understand the dynamics of divorce settlements and why those laws were even put there in the first place, even tho I agree that the law needs an adjustment, because times have changed over the decades

His own talk is to put women down at the slightest instance, and assume that any man who is reasonable in this subject must be an a $$ kisser for pussy, as he accused me of

he has right to his view, we have ours

that's the beauty of life

Reasonable?! That's rich!

All I did was ask what Mackenzie did to deserve $65b? And I'm yet to read any reasonable feedback. Rather than answer the question, you feminist brown-nosers are concerned about the fact that I dared ask the question and it just happens that Mackenzie is a female...

Like duh! Is there a self-made female billionaire worth $30b much more $135b?

Current divorce law was established to protect women. Understandable. Over the years however, it's moved from protecting women to exploiting men. But fireworks have to go up whenever anyone dares critique any societal norm that mostly benefits women.

As at 2010, men represented only 3% of 400,000 respondents receiving alimony. Are there women paying men alimony. Damn right there are. Are they in the fringe minority, f*ck yes. Who are the net beneficiaries, women. Does it mean then that anyone who critiques current alimony practices is a misogynist? According to you, yes that's in fact the case.

How retard*d does anyone have to be to conflate a gender-neutral question to gender warfare.

Mackenzie did not earn the $35b. She sure as hell did not deserve $65b. The fact that she got the former amount is salient proof that current Western divorce laws are bollocks. That's precisely my point.

Now if that hurts your feelings, I really don't give a sh*t. Of the 15 most expensive divorces at the moment, it's only in one case that a man walks away smiling. So why do you lose your sh*t when I put women on the crosshairs when they're beneficiaries of 14 of the 15 most expensive divorces?

Why?

When women begin to give their ex-husbands billion dollar settlements, I'd be patiently waiting for your ilk to come out and say the man is entitled to 50% of her billions.

When Guy Ritchie took $76–$92 million from Madonna, how many people wrote articles about how Guy Ritchie contributed to Madonna's stardom and success and was lenient to not try to get more? F*cking wanksters. And you dare get annoyed for being called a kiss-a$$!

It's all fun and games until you're the one or know someone who's getting shafted by an unproductive ex who was only great at sourcing out creative ways to spend money she didn't earn.

-Lord

Ugosample:


where did I assume that women are always saints?

Is that how far misogyny has eaten into your brain?


Smh

all these talk because of divorce settlements

You keep repeating "misogyny eating into my brain." Is that all you've got?

Yea, well divorce settlements are screwing a lot of average guys out there. Like a British woman who got millions in a divorce settlement, made unwise investment decisions, lost most of it, then took her ex-husband to court demanding that she deserves more money to cover her losses and support her lifestyle. Thankfully, saner heads prevailed and the judge dismissed her case.

The entitlement that anyone deserves $65b by virtue of being married in a divorce settlement feeds cases like the one shared earlier.

-Lord

Xisnin:

[s]

Sorry, I mistook you for a smart contributor.
After listing useless credentials to bolster Jeff, you failed to mention what mattered most, his net worth
when he got married.
It doesn't matter where he schooled, worked or which organization he belongs.
This is a man who received several bailouts from his parents just to stay afloat.

Your confidence in writing gibberish rebuttals suggest that you have always been
the smartest among your closest circle who are apparently not bright.

I suggest you seek a more intellectual group so your erroneous thinking can be challenged
before it is expressed in public.[/s]

I'm not bolstering Jeff. I'm stating facts.

Dude was a SVP on a six figure salary when he married Mackenzie. You opined that he was average and couldn't afford anything. Your words not mine.

And I'd repeat my question: How is a Senior Vice President at a Wall Street Hedge Fund on a six figure salary average?

I strongly detest replying you activists because you're dumber than door knobs.

Can you clearly state when he received "several bailouts from his parents" just to stay afloat?

And lastly, at least prove your stupidity by answering the question:

"Precisely what did Mackenzie do for Jeff that he couldn't pay someone to do?"

Because I'd really like to know how an English major employed by her soon-to-be husband with no high-level skill as a research associate on a five figure was somehow so critical to a so-called average 4.2 Ivy League Electrical Engineering/Computer Science grad building a $700b dotcom company?

Dumbf*ck!

-Lord

Xisnin:

Jeff is just another average American when he got married.
There is a reason why househelps and maids are not popular in the US.
Most people can't afford them.
Jeff couldn't afford to pay for anything.

You are ignorant, which is no surprise. I mean your head is so far up a woman's a$$, you can't possibly take the time necessary to do your research.

Bezos graduated from Princeton in 1986 with a BSc in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, a member of Phi Beta Kappa and Tau Beta Pi.

When he graduated he was offered jobs at many of the big names including Intel, Andersen Consulting, Bell Labs and more. He first worked at Fitel, a fintech telecommunications start-up, where he was tasked with building a network for international trade. Bezos was promoted to head of development and director of customer service thereafter. He transitioned into the banking industry when he became a product manager at Bankers Trust; he worked there from 1988 to 1990. He then joined D. E. Shaw & Co, a newly founded hedge fund, in 1990 and worked there until 1994. Bezos became D. E. Shaw's fourth senior vice-president at the age of 30.

Bezos married Mackenzie while he was SVP at D. E. Shaw in 1993. In same 1993, he started Amazon. By 1996, 3 years after he took Amazon public, he became a multi-millionaire.

There was nothing average about Bezos. His step father worked for oil giant Exxon, he went to Princeton, he graduated with a 4.2 GPA. He was a Senior Vice President with a six figure salary when he married Mackenzie and in three years of him marrying her, he became a multi-millionaire through the company he founded.

So since when is a Senior Vice President at a Wall Street Hedge Fund average or since when can't an SVP afford anything? Are you feeling okay at all? They were married for 25 years. His oldest kid is 12. Which means he was a billionaire when he had his first kid.

So again I ask, "Precisely what did Mackenzie do for Jeff that he couldn't pay someone to do?"

Mackenzie is a billionaire solely because she f*cked the right person. Dangote is building the largest refinery and he's not married. If he was married, the aunty would be living large and holding tight to some misguided idea that she's entitled to 50% of his wealth because she was in his life when he made these business decisions.

CR7 is out there worth over $400m. If he had married Irina back in his 20s, by now he'd be liable to give her $200m in a divorce. And we'd start hearing crap like she is entitled to the $200m because she was taking care of his surrogate children and taking care of the home front and providing emotional support. None of which he needed from her to become one of the greatest and richest players in the history of the game.

-Lord

Ugosample:



Your last statement is uncalled for tho

Says a lot about you


Like I said, misogyny has eaten.deep into your bone.
(I've known that from the other thread) nothing to be ashamed of, it's your right

Even tho I give it to you that you are somewhat intelligent


Asia is more populated, larger, and becoming richer than the West. And guess what, traditional male and female roles are still upheld.


what does the above have to do with anything?

I see no reason why that last statement as factual as it is usually rile you guys up. I would typically expect you guys to celebrate kissing the a$$ of women. After all, we must always believe those saints.

I'm not scared of labels. Call me a misogynist, I could care less. I don't conform to popular opinion without critical questioning, certainly not nihilist, defeatist, self-injurious positions.

As to my last statement, I'm saying Asia is advancing and becoming the world's next center of human civilization yet they aren't adopting misandrist Western values.

-Lord

Elder0001:



I used to think ugosample was a wise man until recently . First on the foreign affairs section

He's been knighted.

It's very effective. Guys typically like to have their ego stroked. Tie their self-worth to how well they can provide for those they care about. Which is why guys lose their sh*t when a lady (or whomever) they've spent on, just drops them like a hot potato.

Ladies on the other hand get off on being the center of attraction. They're chased up and down and so they feel entitled. In their mind, a guy should be grateful that she allowed herself to be the one to be spent on. That they are reason he can strut about feeling fulfilled and all. Whatever the guy spent is gate fee.

This interesting dynamic has been weaponed by females. They use it effectively in marriages to get men to give up all their hobbies and interests as well as eliminate the friends they don't like. The husband acquiesce to her demands because as he's continually reiterated, she is the center of his universe, the most important person in his entire existence, and all those sweet nothings we like to put into practice because as they say actions speak louder than words. The wife on the other hand expects the husband to accede to her demands because she deserves the world and more. He has to continually prove everyday that he deserves her.

In society, this dynamic has far-reaching consequences. You have the men like Xisnin, Ugosample, and the other "feminist allies" who derive their sense of moral justice and fulfillment from being able to rubber-stamp all the sick desires of women. Who wants to achieve 50:50 gender parity amongst underwater divers? They look to the women, they signal with a thumbs down, and the lap dogs keep mute. Who wants to achieve 50:50 gender parity amongst CEOs? They look to the women, they signal with a thumbs up or raised fist, and the lap dogs start barking.

And god forbid a man raises his hand and says "I've got a question"; then he's instantly labeled a misogynist, chauvinist, or sexist.

All of a sudden because I dare question why Mackenzie deserves $65b, all of a sudden I'm equivalent to guys perpetrating honor killings in the Middle East.

-Lord

Ugosample:


misogyny don twist your brain finish

it's well

NIGERIA is a good fit for you sha

they tolerate and encourage men to be foolish there

Different strokes

good night Lord

The Western world is no longer the arbiter of morality.

Asia is more populated, larger, and becoming richer than the West. And guess what, traditional male and female roles are still upheld.

Nobody is entitled to sh*t because they have a vagina. It's not misogyny. It's gender equality.

PS: Kissing a$$ is not the only way to get pu$$*.

-Lord

Ugosample:



Like I said

You are a hard core misogynist

And you feel pained by the settlement

I think the settlement is okay and not too bad

I couldn't feel pained about the settlement even if I tried. Dude still has over $100b. Neither I nor him deserve or should give sympathy. It is what it is.

Whatever you feel about the settlement isn't much of my concern either. It is illogical and uneconomically feasible to give a spouse $35b unless s/he co-ran the business in question and gave a contribution that's worth that. That isn't the case here.

The problem is the societal impact of settlements such as these on average men who are shafted. Look at how all the ladies are saying the guy is a cheating a$$hole. But then forget that Washington State like California is a no fault divorce state, meaning adultery doesn't affect compensation in divorce proceedings.

And the law was enacted to protect women who cheat and still want 50:50.

But yea, the settlement is okay and not too bad. Guys who think it's noble to get shafted. Tie your self-worth to how much you can make yourself suffer for her sake.

All of this will change soon tho'. Same way women are already campaigning against current alimony laws because they're shocked they have to pay for years to an unproductive partner when they earn higher. They'd call the law fair as long as they remain the net beneficiaries. Then when they begin to earn more in general than men, they'd throw the current divorce law down the sh*tter.

And you guys would be cheering them on every step of the way because they have vaginas. They're entitled to having things their way and you aren't.

-Lord

thebosstrevor:


[s]good for you, most of what you wrote down are just pure trash[/s]

I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you after reading your last paragraph!

-Lord

thebosstrevor:


[s]so Vagit Alekperov president of Lukeoil and Leonid Mikelsonm ceo of Novatek bought those companies for $1 from putin, you dont know what you are saying, have you ever read their biography. when was these companies founded and when did putin came to power, you dont know what you are writing about.[/s]

I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you after reading your last paragraph!

-Lord

Ugosample:




this Lord sef

misogyny don enter your blood well well.

The entitlement mentality of females enrages me. The fact that it is pervasive and subtly encouraged by unsuspecting men is just brutal.

Precisely what did Mackenzie do for Jeff that he couldn't pay someone to do? Raising the kids, taking care of the home, working as a research assistant at D E Shaw, balance the books at Amazon in the formative months, provide emotional support, provide business advice?

Now in what world, is all of that worth $65b, since they're making it sound like she did him a favor.

Left to me divorce settlements would be capped at $100m and annual upkeep of $1m; regardless of gender. Unless the spouse was heavily involved in the day to day operations like is the case in mom and pop shops.

You don't tell me you majored in English, have NO high-level skill and you helped built a $700b company because you balanced the books for the first couple of months and somehow you're entitled to $65b. Precisely what did you do, let's put an economic value on it?

-Lord

thebosstrevor:

[s]
i hope you know that it took her 10 years to publish her first novel...

and who told you russian oligarchs bought companies for $1 because they were closed to putin ..mention those oligarch

i am wearing my prescription glasses, and what contribution to humanity is mr jeff doing other than what i have said earlier making money for shareholders, cant you see all their so called contribution to humanity is just to have power and control information. even the elon musk you mention can you afford his autonomous car or his solar roof and batteries... pls lets stop deceiving ourself that these guys are contributing to humanity.[/s]

I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you after reading your last paragraph!

As for the oligarchs, start reading on Vagit Alekperov and Leonid Mikelson. Then check out the systemic rot that handed 94 of Putin's allies who are on the US Watch List their wealth of at least $1b each.

-Lord

manny4life:


And you think she did not have the best lawyers? Marriage in the US is not Nigeria, she willingly relinquished control and voting rights, compared to how messy some women can be, she was very lenient and just stuck with her shares of Amazon. Many women would want more and more... There's nothing any lawyer would do to change the community property law, even Mr. Bezos knows this. All lawyers will do is drag the case for more money... As simple as it was, divorce was finalized in such a short period. So trust me, she was very lenient.

And marriage for the average Joe in the US is not the same for billionaires.

If she wanted to be messy she'd have faced far more adversity than women who fight over $5b or less. Stock would have tanked. Bezos would lose his control which would have been bad for the entire Bezos family. Bezos' parents are worth about $30b, most of it in Amazon stock. And they have 4 kids.

So she wouldn't just be fighting Bezos, she'd be fighting everyone from his parents to institutional investors with trillions in assets who HATE chaos. Because no financial manager in his/her right mind would gleefully accept an English major with no high-level skillset in organizational management to have any measurable sort of say in a potential trillion dollar company, just because she f*cked the company founder.

Simply put, it was in her best interest to take what she could get without a fuzz. Moreover wealthy billionaires rarely if ever settle half of their wealth. Rupert Murdoch is worth $18b. His ex-wife of 31 years got $2.6b.

She's an English graduate who got her big break working as a research assistant under Bezos. And she's a very private person. Bezos on the other hand is taking on the POTUS 45 and Saudi Arabia at a go and according to those who know him in the business world he's a bloody shark. It's heavily mismatched. She may get a few extra billions but the cost of doing so in the public eye... Man. Fighting for $65b, that's more money that's in our reserve. No one would give that up lying down especially when she wants to get messy.

She wasn't lenient. She took the best advised route.

-Lord

pacespot:
this couple were unable to manage the temptation of unprecedented financial success that bequeathed their marriage. they were unlike Bill and Melinda Gates. how can you divorce someone you have spent probably the most successful years of your life with, how can they keep up being apart?

well, since this is a peaceful divorce, we can look forward to a reunion in future.

I don't think it's a question of being "unable to manage the temptation of unprecedented financial success that bequeathed their marriage."

Bezos was a very driven man, so he'd have been successful at whatever he set his mind on. Maybe not a billionaire, but millionaire easy. I think their divorce announcement text was lucid. Their marriage was a phase of their lives that was just that--a phase. They're at the end of it and they're heading off in new directions while remaining friends.

What informs this summation on my part is how they got together. As a high-level hedge fund staff, Bezos was already at the top of the bachelor totem pole. However, in his words, he was romantically undesirable. He wasn't the kind of guy, even with the financial stability, who ladies wanted to be with after an half-hour of discussion.

He had to resort to asking friends to set him up and at a time became a self-professed "professional dater." Couldn't hold down a relationship. This was a problem because he desperately wanted to settle down. It was at this time that he hired Mackenzie. And surprise surprise--according to the account I read--Mackenzie was the one who asked him out shortly after she started working for him. They dated for all of 3 months, engaged and married soon after. This was 1993.

As such if you understand behavioral psychology, it is inevitable that there would come a time after a subject has gone from romantically undesirable finance geek to hung $130b richest-man-in-the-world mogul who just wants to have the sexual liberty he supposedly missed out on. It explains why he was fawning about a lady who by any objective standards is less attractive than Mackenzie.

It's sad he had to cheat on her, but when you're richer than certain countries, built a company whose rumors can tank the stocks of other companies, funded a rocket company with play money and have access to ICBM technology owned by less than a dozen countries; it's understandable to develop a god complex that makes you think societal rules are exclusively for the proles.

This is similar to 19-23 year olds who marry early then in their 30s and 40s begin to have a mid-life crises about why the f*ck they wasted their prime years raising a family and what's next for them. And at some point find their way to AshleyMadison.

Maybe they'd get together later and to be sure ladies like Mackenzie and Melinda are the kind of women one could hope for as a billionaire, but even if Jeff had only become a millionaire, it is unlikely this marriage was a till-death-do-us-part Disney fairytale. I'm happy for Mackenzie especially, and hope the next phase of their lives will be as eventful as their recent phase was.

-Lord

thebosstrevor:


i dont want to laugh, why do you feel pain and also who told you the mr jeff is working for humanity rather than for shareholders and profit, if he really cared about humanity as the normal rhetoric for startups, he would have made all his services open source and also free of charge then no one would have become billionaires.

How infantile do you have to be to construe my strongly worded statement to mean painful? What do I care when a billionaire's wife becomes a billionaire? I just see no difference between Mackenzie and the Russian Oligarchs who bought vast national enterprises for as low $1, becoming instant billionaires in the process, simply because they were friends of Putin and his political circle.

Neither party earned their wealth. And it reflects poorly on our current economic system that someone can f*ck her way to $35b and draft it under the shabby cloak of I married him before he was a billionaire. What exactly did she do that earned her that $35b? Raising four kids with the help of nannies and cooks in million dollar properties? Balancing the books in the first few months while other employees practically worked round the clock for years and weekend days off was unacceptable? What did she do other than f*cking Bezos to deserve $35b?

I didn't say he's working for humanity. Go buy prescription glasses if you're having problems reading. I explicitly said "contributions to humanity." This is factually accurate as his investments in AI, space exploration to make mankind to spacefaring species, green transportation, amongst others are critical to the next millenium of humanity's prosperity.

Until now, Elon Musk has been the sole flag bearer. It's fortuitous for billionaires to not just rest on their oars but channel their vast wealth into combating problems most people are too pedantic to realize much less understand.

And if one is able to provide contributions of economic value, such person is entitled to profiting from said contributions. NOTHING IS FREE. Even charities need donors to stay operational.

-Lord

naijajobx:
Woman finally will enjoy it with a lucky lazy man who will just wake up day and.night just fvcking her

According to some sources, she's already in a relationship with someone else. They've been separated for a while now, the NI expose just hastened the divorce.

-Lord

thebosstrevor:


you can change the narrative or twist it anyhow you like, she is now worth $35b

I don't give a sh*t what she's worth. I'm more interested in Bezos' contributions to humanity via Blue Origin and I'm more than glad her unqualified a$$ is nowhere near the decision-making on any of his several ventures.

She can stick to writing novels. She has always been a billionaire by virtue of being married to one. Whatever she wanted she got and would have got. So boohoo she's worth $35b instead of $65b or $1b. She has more money than she knows what to do with it. I'm not going to lose sleep over that. But no way I'd let you and your pathetic ilk canonize her while tens of thousands of Amazon employees do more strenuous work than she ever did in her lifetime and get paid minimum wage.

And she didn't earn 1/1000th of it. She got it by marrying the right person. Which puts her in the right company. The top 5 richest men are all self-made. While the top 5 richest women either inherited their wealth or are divorcees. Pretty much means the only way to get to the top for women is to f*ck the right man or be born to one.

We all know Mackenzie wouldn't create new jobs with her money, she'd just let it sit, while Bezos continues to run the company successfully while her shares continue to increase in value ad infinitum.

-Lord

thebosstrevor:


lets get the facts right here:

MacKenzie Bezos was an accountant for Amazon, and is considered one of the company's earliest employees. According to Wired , she was responsible for negotiating Amazon's first freight contracts at a Barnes and Noble bookstore. so it is a beneficial relationship bot like other women who didnt help but want to reap reward for watching tv all day.

Why are you inflating her contribution?

Jeff Bezos was working at a hedge fund where he hired Mackenzie to be his personal assistant. That's where they met. He grew in the company to become a Senior Vice President living a comfortable lifestyle in Manhattan, and he tagged her along to her becoming an Administrative Assistant.

When he decided to leave the hedge fund and drive across the country to found Amazon, she naturally decided to make the adventure with him because she trusted his judgement. What other choice did she have? Divorce him and continue working as an Administrative Assistant which she got with his help on a ~50k salary in Manhattan.

Of course she tagged along. And she helped him when he was bootstrapping like every one of the tens of employees Bezos hired. Most of her tasks tho' was as basic as her previous job experiences could have gotten her. She was balancing books and signing contracts. The moment the operation became massive and she didn't have any high-level skills to provide, her involvement reduced gradually until she didn't have a place.

At that point Bezos was already a millionaire and she certainly had all the help she needed for child rearing and homekeeping.

Now should she get part of Bezos' wealth because she provided emotional support when he was making the transition and the first couple of months when they were bootstrapping from a garage, sure. But is that support worth $35b? Hell-f*cking-no!

If she deserves $35b for driving a car from New York to Seattle and being a makeshift bean counter for a couple of months? What does Joe deserve for busting his a$$ at Amazon for 20 f*cking years? What does Jeff parents deserve for giving him their life savings, over $400k, as starting funds? Jeff himself told his parents there was a 70% chance it'd tank, and they devoted savings from working for decades without even understanding what the Internet was.

If Amazon failed, Mackenzie may have divorced him, like is so often the case, and remarried some guy who'd keep the lights on. While his parents would certainly have lost all they had and lived their retirement days in penury.

All of that said, as much as Mackenzie gets some recognition for not sitting at home all through and claiming she somehow should at least get $65b; $35b is generous for her. She literally got that $35b for f*cking the right person, not because she earned it.

There's no way you'd convince me that a personal assistant turned spouse turned amateur bean counter somehow earned $35b. If that was the case, most of us should be trillionaires. For heaven's sake, she studied English. ENGLISH! There's no English graduate on this planet whose skillset is worth $1b, much more $35b.

-Lord

Daeylar:

Very very forgiving.

Told you there was no effing way she was getting $65b and I was right.

Got nothing to do with forgiveness, it's common sense. She's a Princeton grad not some Russian skank who sees dollar signs and lose their sh*t.

She owns 25% of the couples stock, meaning her value would continue to rise proportional to Bezos' wealth, and she gave Bezos her voting rights because clearly he's better at running Amazon than she ever could.

-Lord

martowskin1:
GEJ will just be smiling in his house...

Karma is real.... When ur enemies fought them selves to death

That's the best thing about the APC win.

OBJ, Atiku, Saraki, Kwankwaso, Tambuwal; all the senseless impatience.

This election would have been a walk over for Atiku, and he'd have had a complete 8 yrs. Saraki will still have his Kwara dynasty, and Kwankwaso would still be a Senator.

Next up is Tinubu and Ameachi. I'd so enjoy it.

-Lord