₦airaland Forum

jayson87:
You are still leaving in the delusion of what Buhari and Osinbajo told you, the facts are there and the indicators are there to tell who is a better manager.

Leave that guy. He has been using that line since 2014. He's forgotten no one except his fellow BMC propagandists buys it anymore. Just let him huff and puff.

Back in 2015 and early 2016, he and his ilk riddled the front page political threads with these theories to wide aplomb. Now, they're at the fringes, dodging threads to post in. They'd fade into irrelevance when APC is no longer in power. He is like Lai Mohammed and his type would be like flat-earthers in the future political spectrum.

-Lord

obailala:
[s]Oga, when $400bn flows into an economy, even if the leaders are idiots, the economy will have a semblance of flourish regardless of whether the money was spent wisely or not. But then, the only way to know whether the money was spent wisely or not is by observing what happens when the excess money stops flowing. The speed with which Nigeria's economy nosedived as soon as oil prices just began to drop is the greatest indicator of how wisely or otherwise the income boom was handled.

From late 2014, contractors weren't paid, oil importers weren't paid, $2billion had to be borrowed early 2015 to pay salaries, $10bn was eroded from the meagre reserves to defend the naira but it nevertheless fell from 160 to 230; reserves they met at around $45bn was wrecked to $28.6bn, gdp growth rate instantly began falling uncontrollably the moment oil income started dropping, less than N20bn was budgeted for the entire ministry of works in 2015 meaning that zero capital projects were to be done in 2015, of course as contractor werent paid, retrenchment of workers started. For all these to have happened instantly from the moment oil money started reducing, it was clear evidence that the whole boom in the economy between 2010 - 2014 were just a smoke screen function of high oil prices.... Air head wouldn't understand this though.

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Is it that you don't understand English in the night or what? I v no time to debate with you.

Kindly forward your reply to Twitter, Standard Chartered, Gavi, Lavarde, and ACN. Also copy the UN DSG and AfDB President.

After you're done, sit back and revel in the knowledge that Adeosun is a proven certificate forger.

I did same to dolly.ak (make I pity him/her, no disturb am again) two days ago with the Ogoni cleanup. And I'm certain I've quoted you earlier this year to mock you. All of una na one by one I go remember una wen I get chance. Our arguments in 2015/2016 aged well.

At least you accepted NOI is more renowned than Adeosun. Take care.

-Lord

husbandsnatcha:
my bad! i 4got 40yrs afonja is equals to 3yrs igbo...meanwhile am new here!

Don't worry, you'd get used to it. Just note the usernames as you go.

-Lord

obailala:
[s]Its pathetic the way many of those jonathanians clowns think. They wanted a miracle from Kemi. A feat which even more renowned persons like NOI could not achieve in times of mega unprecedented income, that's what the buffoons accuse Kemi of not being able to achieve with $28 oil price, $28bn reserves and less than 1m bpd oil production. NOI/GEJ earned almost $400bn in oil income but ended up accruing debts upon debts after crashing reserves. Kemi/Buhari earned less than $100 but even almost doubled the reserves, and were able to stabilise the economy, yet the clowns think a 400 vs 100 comparison makes any sense.[/s]

Even the m*ron you're quoting doesn't think NOI is more renowned than Kemi. He is that senseless.

Oga average oil price in August is $73. That's more than 2 times the $28 you're quoting. Even the HSBC (largest bank in Europe) in their report stated that oil price increase not economic competence took the economy out of recession. If you want a quote, just ask.

As I said, all I'm doing is rubbing it in. Adeosun will always be a riff-raff compared to NOI. Class is permanent.

-Lord

husbandsnatcha:
we igbos can never be ur mate,igbos live large thru biz in ur state u sleep in a danfo n be claiming lagos...Knw it we n south south own lagos

Do you know you're talking to a kid who hasn't gotten admission.

Not everyone who comes online on NL is up to age.

-Lord

obailala:
NOI boosted Nigeria's economy under OBJ but grounded Nigeria's economy and left us in great debt under GEJ. For anyone with any level of intelligence, it should be obviois that the team she worked with matters.

NOI grounded the economy and still created more net jobs than your Adeosun who waterboarded our economy and in connivance with recession-in-chief took us into a recession as well as send 15m jobs to purgatory. While doubling our national budget and debt profile in only 3 years.

Korofo accountant. Go and tell Twitter, Standard Chartered, Gavi, Lavarde, and ACN that she grounded Nigeria's economy. Go and tell the UN DSG who served with her both under OBJ and GEJ that she grounded Nigeria's economy. Go tell the AfDB President that she grounded Nigeria's economy. Rants of a nobody.

You guys think it is still 2015. Propaganda will only get you so far. Nobody takes you guys seriously anymore aside your fellow jobless 30k propagandists.

-Lord

obailala:
[s]Oga, there's nothing wrong with Kemis performance; quit hating on her as if she snatched your lollipop. One person doesnt determine the direction of an entire economy. You cant blame her for the recession in Nigeria, except you wanted her to perform miracles. She was appointed during the recession.

She isn't the one who killed all the refineries in Nigeria and ensured Nigeria imports it's entire 1.2 billion litres of petrol monthly. She wasnt the one who made Nigeria an import crazy nation to the point of importing palm oil, toothpick, handkerchief etc... She wasnt the one who didnt diversify Nigeria's economy for decades, she wasnt the one who ensured that Nigeria, a country of 180 million people depended on only one volatile unpredictable commodity for all its income, and neither is she the one who brought down oil prices and crippled Nigeria's economy.

She was appointed at a time when Nigeria's economy was already in the abyss with oil prices rock bottom at $30; within 2 months of her appointment, Nigeria's oil production was down to less than a million barrels. None of these was her fault so I wonder why you keep blaming her for not performing magic or comparing her with people who were in office when there was robust harvest. Even when oil prices were still up to $70, the world class NOI was already fidgeting, asking Nigerians to prepare for doom, borrowing to pay salaries, running down the reserves to save the Naira which was already crashing, owing contractors across the nation, owing fuel importers etc. And of course Nigerias gdp raye was already nosediving. Yet you think a younger Kemi who was brought in when Nigeria was already in a pit is an idiot?... You're simply a bitter hater.

In summary, kemi got into the office when Nigeria's income was down by over 80% but somehow, she was able to manage things, prevent total collapse, and oversaw the rebound from that abyss. She did well and besides hating economic illiterates, I am yet to see any seasoned economist within or outside Nigeria thay has labelled her incompetent. [/s]

One person does not determine the direction of an entire economy... Well except NOI ba?!

Stop writing all these long epistles in hopes of getting me to debate with you. Not happening. I'd continue rubbing it in.

NOI--Gavi, Lazard, ACN, Standard Chartered, Twitter.

Adeosun--Certificate Forger disgraced out of her post. A leprous patient no one will touch anymore.

Dazall!

-Lord

Andhominem:
In the fullness of time, Yorubas will reap the fruit of sowing Buhari - the presidency.
Don't forget we have had short spells in acting capacity so far.

Northerners would give you guys another poisoned chalice. OBJ 2.0. Mark it down somewhere. And that's if Buhari wins in 2019. If he doesn't win, forgerrit in 2023.

IMHO, I think we should just stop this facade of good governance nonsense and rotate the Presidency by geopolitical zones in one term of 6 years. Zones will pick the best candidate from their zone between themselves. Because even if Buhari is caught robbing the World Bank tomorrow, Northerners and our sufferisticated brothers from the West side will still vote for him.

-Lord

Carlyscales:
Spot on ma guy

Even after all these terrible/abysmal performance. They'll still vote him

Senseless clueless lots!!

Very annoying people.

Even we in the SS where the kyn DSS Ag boss who of no fault of his was shortchanged to bring a less qualified Northern retiree are not bothered; it's the tribalistic ignoramuses that would almost certainly still queue to vote Buhari in 2019 that's asking people not to vote him. And for what reason, because he replaced their certificate forger with a Northerner. Let them go and sleep, as if they've been living under the rock since 2015.

-Lord

Andhominem:
We shall see. Just note that Buhari bypassed Udo Udoma and Enelamah to make the this temporary appointment.
He is no fool!

And how is that my business? This is a man that shared the country into 97% and 5% on national TV.

All these things he is doing, we saw it in 2015. In fact, many of you supporting him now used to see it in him when he was contesting in 2003, 2007, and 2011. Of course he'd bypass Udo and Enelamah. For heaven's sake, he retired more than a dozen Southern senior police officers to appoint IGP Transmission. He ignored four Southern senior DSS officers to bring back another Northerner from retirement.

The only people surprised by this action are people like you who asslick him because your political leader in interested in the Presidency.

-Lord

Andhominem:
Rubbish!
Finance ministry belongs to Ogun state.
Don't underestimate Amosun.

Finance ministry does not belong to any state. Who is Amosun? This is election period. The cabal have been looking for an excuse to push her out to put their person. If Emefiele wasn't playing ball (reserve is already falling swiftly), he'd have been next. Even Amosun will accept if it means more money to share during elections.

Buhari does not care right now, getting a second term is more important to him than satisfying outraged people on the internet.

-Lord

toyetade:
This is bad for Nigeria. A president of Nigeria should be detribalised and be sensitive to issues on bordering on tribes. You replace DG DSS with a kano man, You replace Minister of finance with another Hausa woman. People should vote this man out. I used to like him before for his anti corruption crusade but this one is too much for me.

People should vote him out because it has finally touched a Yoruba person. Better keep quiet if you have nothing useful to say. Tribalism go kee una. See the stupid reason that made it too much for you. The state supported killings of tens of thousands of Middle Belters was not too much for you, it's the replacement of a certificate forger with another incompetent nobody that's too much for you. Rubbish!

He'd appoint another Yoruba don't worry, the constitution mandates him to have a minister from Ogun state. Just don't make noise if he/she becomes a minister without portfolio.

-Lord

Andhominem:
Kemi Adeosun messed up big time.
She will be replaced by a better Ogun person.

No Ogun person is taking that finance ministerial slot. The Ogun person will take a low-level ministerial slot or even be a minister without portfolio.

She just played into the cabal's hands. She had this kind of huge scandal and she was fighting the cabal over a relative non-issue. Methinks it is the cabal that leaked the info to the Senate and the press. The only people that knew was the DSS whose head until recently was a key member of the cabal. The same cabal that pressured Buhari to ask her to resign.

-Lord

obailala:
Make I tell u again, there was nothing wrong with Kemi's performance as finance minister. The work of finance minister isn't to perform money doubling magic.

Okay as dem done appoint another mallam to the post, hope we're all happy now?

Wetin concern me concern who dem appoint?

I vote for Buhari? As far as I'm concerned, the man can do whatever he likes. We warned, you guys didn't listen. We said Adeosun would be a disastrous wannabe, you guys said she'd do better than NOI. Amina Mohammed was snapped up by the UN even after serving under OBJ, Yar'Adua, and Jonathan (the so-called 3 demons of corruption). In fact, she got her first appointment at the UN after her time ended in GEJ's government. You guys think propaganda is all it takes to deliver good governance. Look how the cookie crumbled.

You guys said Buhari and Adeosun would change Nigeria. We have seen the change. There was nothing wrong in being part of the economic team whose incompetence contributed to the loss of 15m jobs when they promised they'd add 3m net jobs annually. Shey you see your life?

Next you'll tell me there's nothing wrong in Buhari's performance as President. Joker!

-Lord

@obailala, make I taunt you again!

Comparing butterfly to bird. Una no c ppl like Adesina to appoint, na riff-raff like Adeosun.



-Lord

obailala:
[s]I never said Kemi is better than NOI; the latter is obviously more experienced. But the criticism and blasting Kemi has received over performance is nonsense. It makes no sense comparing the performances of 2 finance ministers when one oversaw plenty whilst the other reigned during a time of drought; it's an unfair and imbalanced comparison and such can only be done by inconsiderate trolls.

Another factor you have to also look at is the boss of the minister. The same NOI who performed wonderfully well under OBJ returned under GEJ and ruined her profile; of course many are too myopic to have noted that.

2 days ago a thread was opened making one of those thoughtless comparisons bothering on how NOI cleared Nigeria's debts down to $3bn and how Kemi came in and pushed our debts to over $70bn. Of course majority of those commenting on the thread were too myopic (or should I say too dumb) to just ask the vital questions. The question that should have been asked was, the NOI who was hailed for her debt reduction feat under OBJ, to what level did she grow Nigeria's debt profile between 2010 and 2015, a time when Nigeria earned unprecedented income?... The narrative on that thread made it seem like Kemi grew the debt from 0 to over $70bn.

There is nothing unusual about people borrowing to survive during times of income drought. Between 2010 and 2015, Nigeria earned almost ~$400bn from oil sales but between 2015 to early 2018, Nigeria earned less than $100bn; in both periods, Nigeria borrowed massively. Does much need to be said about this?[/s]

Two years on and you're still sounding like a broken record.

I did not mention your moniker to start a debate. Got no time for that sh*t. Everyone and their grandma knows the Buhari administration is an unmistakable failure and that a character who forged NYSC and graduated from a college that's not even in the top 100 in UK is no match for a Harvard and MIT alumni who rose to the pinnacle of international finance.

Today, Adeosun erstwhile colleague (who is the number 2 at the UN, I need to repeat it) is out there rolling praise for Nigeria's most high-profiled economist export, while the person you guys drummed as the best thing since sliced bread is getting disgraced out of office and lampooned by the same person for supervising unhealthy borrowing.

The funny thing is that you think the year is still 2015. Your propaganda has fallen flat. Your cliches are worn out. The only person whose profile is ruined is Adeosun, the common accountant. NOI is a non executive director at Standard Chartered with enough assets to buy half of Nigeria. She is a senior adviser at Lazard, chairs the board of GAVI and the ARC, and last but not the least she sits on the board of Twitter.

Does that profile sound like it's ruined to you? If it does, it isn't surprising. Your kind told us a NEPA-bill holder will turn Nigeria to Eldorado and that a forged NYSC holder will outperform a Managing Director of the World Bank.

This is what humiliation feels like. Just wait until APC loses; your kind will be banished from all civil discourse in Nigeria. Bunch of d*ngbats.

It's not only drought. It's the oil price that made her and her economic team waste 18 months in putting together an economic policy while we were in a recession. The same low oil price that allowed her and her cronies supervise the doubling of the budget from 4 trillion to 8 trillion, with nothing to show.

Now you're claiming people are being unfair, how e b u now? When you guys were claiming GEJ trained snipers and had 1000 names on a death list, it was fair game. Better suck it up and go on the first page of all political threads to spread misinformation like you were doing in 2015. You thought 2015 would last forever! Anuofia!

And before you point at the insults, they are deserved! You and your ilk brought these calamitous fellows who should be no where near the seat of power to run an experiment that has resulted in the loss of 15 million jobs and counting, a recession that we're at risk of falling into AGAIN, and an unprecedented division of the national fabric of Nigeria (97% and 5%). Amadioha and Sango are still mixing the ingredients for the thunder that'd strike all of you.

#NeverAgain

-Lord

@obailala, you see your life?

See the korofo wen mk u no 1 let me hear word. Resigned for forging NYSC certificate. This is the thing that's better than NOI. It's her mate that is the current UN DSG. Continue supporting incompetent wannabes, your cup go full...

-Lord

Dollyak:
What's more important is for the land to be cleaned up. It's a big shame everyone has politicized the whole thing despite the best of intentions from this administration regarding the clean up.

Everyone should take a step back and be objective for once.

@Dollyak, it's been two years, come and give us update on the "best of intentions from this administration"? The thunder that will massage you...

-Lord

Oh, the chicken is coming home to roost.

@hucienda, it's happening.

@Throwback, Back2Daura sounding clearer by the day.

-Lord

ChiefAzubuike:
Foreign universities are making waves in quantum physics and cosmology , A Nigerian university is here developing chickens.

Really, how hard is it to reason before typing nonsense online?

Go read or watch a youtube video about the Wageningen University, a public university in the Netherlands that's primarily responsible for the country's unrivaled agricultural prowess. Last year the Netherlands made 450+% more money from agricultural exports than Nigeria did from oil. And that's a country that's just slightly larger than Kebbi state.

Tech, species, and practices developed by Wageningen are also exported around the world. In a country of 200m people that's billed to become the third largest just behind India and China in 2050 with roughly 400m people; we shouldn't just be developing new species of chickens, we should also be developing newer, better species of every living thing we consume.

And instead of this move to be applauded, you're frantically trying to sound st*pid.

-Lord

nwakibie3:
Permit me to copy this bro

Feel free to copy it.

-Lord

Your highness please make it clear.

Restructure the damn country!

Everyone knows of the wealth of Switzerland. They have no President. Instead they have a federal council of 7 elected officials, all of whom have equal political power. One of them becomes the chief of state or substantive head (President) with no extra powers for one year. Another member of the federal council replaces him after one year. No second-term nonsense.

This is a country that's barely twice the size of Lagos, yet has 26 Cantons that are semi-independent of each other. Each canton has its own constitution, legislature, executive, police, courts, income tax. Same Switzerland has 4 official languages--German, French, Italian, and Romansh. Geneva is French. Uri is German. Ticino is Italian. Their smallest canton is about the size of the city of Oshogbo.

We just keep burying our heads in the sand and wonder why nothing is working. Come together, discuss our union, restructure the country to a model that'd work for us. No two European countries are exactly alike. Norway and Sweden are kingdoms. Luxembourg is a Duchy. Liechtenstein and Monaco are Principalities. Netherlands and Spain have figureheads as monarchs. Italy and Germany are parliamentary republics. France runs a semi-presidential system.

Why can't Nigeria run its own system that takes our peculiarities into account? Why will a country of 200m people let selfish id**ts take them for a ride?

-Lord

dometome:
The CCP simply sat out the WW2 while the Nationalist bore the brunt of the war. Period, these bastards came later and took power when the food was ready. There is absolutely nothing revolutionary about Mao.

The history books disagree. Amongst many other battles where the CCP fought the Japs were the Battle of Taiyuan and Battle of Wuhan.

Saying the CCP "simply sat out the WW2" is inaccurate. Also, Mao was revolutionary in his ability to topple Chiang, the KMT, and banishing them from mainland China. It's no small feat considering the sphere of influence of the Kuomintags. I don't like Mao, but his exploits should not be easily dismissed as "absolutely nothing revolutionary."

Anyway, it's been nice debating 20th century history. Remains to be seen how 21st century China will adapt to being the top dog. I don't think the CCP will survive in the long run. Everyone is mumbling under their breath now because things are rosy. When economic growth slows, the population aging problem begins to manifest, and they lose their manufacturing competitiveness (things are already cheaper in Vietnam, Cambodia...), it'd be interesting to observe how the CCP will be able to suppress 1.4+b people with more awareness who want something different.

I think like 20th century South Korea and Singapore and 18th-19th century European monarchies, the CCP will have to transform its structure or face a disastrous end. Local posts are currently already subject to direct elections, although it is mostly formality for now. I expect the transformation to start there.

-Lord

Beautyaddy:
Huh, the US government must have really gotten on your bad side with this bolded statement of yours.

Either way, I wouldn't bet on it that the US government will lay low and allow Tiawan to be eventually controlled by China. Taiwan is all the US have in order to have some kind of access to be very close to China's hidden agenda and with the South China Sea.

US Foreign Policy gets a jig every four or eight years. China plays the long game. Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau will be unified with Mainland China at some point.

Do you know between 1954 and 1979, the US had a Taiwan Defense Command with 30,000 troops permanently stationed in Taiwan (equivalent to the current troop count in South Korea). They scrapped that on a whim to please China during the Cold War. Eventually, China will stroll into Taiwan, and it'd be like Crimea all over again. Except the US wouldn't have the guts to slap sanctions on the largest economy at that time.

Whatever China wants, it gets.

-Lord

dometome:
The CCP sat out the WW2 while the Nationalists did the real fighting against the Japanese. The Nazis and the Japs were allies, not so?

The CCP did not sit out. They were in league with the Soviets who were part of the allied forces. The KMT and CCP decided to suspend hostilities to face the Japanese threat together. However when the war ended, they resumed hostilities. The Japanese were ordered by the US to surrender to KMT forces where present. While the Soviets handed over the territory they took from the Japanese, such as Machuria, to the CCP.

In fact, the US had to airlift KMT troops to certain areas to assume control following the Japs surrender. The trump card for the CCP in the civil war was land reform which snowballed into many experienced KMT soldiers switching over to the CCP and much of the populace favoring the CCP (the angel they don't know) over the KMT (the devil they know). In hindsight, there's nothing the US could do about that (although they could have pressed the KMT to enact more democratic reforms to combat the CCP propaganda). The KMT was authoritarian and people thought the CCP was a breath of fresh air.

Historically, many of them or their direct progeny paid for it when Mao was consolidating power and during the Great Leap when tens of millions died as a result of Mao's unbelievably stupid policies.

So there, Mao was brilliant as a revolution leader, partly the reason why he is still revered in mainland China. The KMT made things easy for him and the US made strategic errors during the war. It wasn't their last. They also made strategic errors during the Korean War, during the Sino-Indian War, later in Vietnam, and even recently with the North Korea nuclear crisis. America's exploits in Asia mirrors their exploits in the Middle East.

And this is why I'm positive Taiwan will eventually merge with China completely in the near future, China would assume full control of the South China Sea, and North Korea will eventually get whatever it is they're looking for (global recognition + retaining their nuclear arsenal). Not necessarily because the CCP is so adept at getting what they want but because the US foreign policy in Asia is often a hot steaming pile of sh*t.

-Lord

dometome:
Yes, Mainland China was betrayed into communism. By the US.
It was the US that made it possible for the CCP to regroup after they suffered a heavy defeat at the hands of the Nationalist government. The excuse the usless Americans gave was that it was easier for them to discuss with the communists that it was with the Nationalist. After regrouping they had access to the vast amount of waepons left behind by the Japanese and were supplied with weapons by the Soviets, while the US was like playing hide and seek with the Nationalists, even doing propaganda for the communists in the US, portraying them as the good people and the Nationalists as the bad ones, books and reports that favoured the Nationalists are prevented from gaining any headway while by being given very bad reviews while the exact opposite happens to the ones that favoured the CCP despite the fact that it was the Nationalists that bore the brunt of the war against the Japanese. It was very deliberate, there is nothing like negligence. It was premeditated and planned.

I think you are overdramatizing US involvement in the Chinese Civil War. At first (1927-1936) the KMT was supported by Nazi Germany while the CCP was supported by the Soviet Union. Since the Soviets were part of the Allied Forces, the US did not support the KMT, which is why they portrayed the Nationalists as the bad guys at first.

Things changed when the KMT joined with CCP to tackle the Japanese invasion. After WWII, there was a crack in the Allied coalition, the KMT sided with the West and CCP turned to the Soviet Union. This change is why you think the US was playing hide and seek with the Nationalists. For heavens sake, the US ordered the Japanese to surrender to Chiang not Mao in all areas where the Nationalist had a fighting force.

The whole KMT/CCP contention is reminiscent of the West Germany/East Germany contention. In the former the US was on the losing side, in the latter they were on the winning side. And I chalk it to incompetency not a premeditated plan. The US never trusted the Soviets and their pet projects and you've yet to state any reason whatsoever why they'd have made an exception for Mao.

-Lord

dometome:
I beg to disagree. The Nationalists were actually in power then, but Franklin Roosevelt and Marshal preferred to listen to the communists and even ENGAGED in propaganda in favour of the communists.

The Nationalists were democratic. That should tell you all you need to know.

Or are you trying to say the US tried to actively/intently favor the communist CCP over the democratic KMT (even though their democratic leanings was basically just lip service) in the largest country on the planet? To this day the US has been on the KMT's side (modern Taiwan).

-Lord

dometome:
Do you know that it is the Americans that put Mao ze dung in power?

If you mean by negligence/miscalculation then yes. Else, I'll say no. Chairman Mao was an astute politician who fended off the US-backed Taiwanese (KMT/ROC) to assume full control of mainland China but he was a terrible ruler.

-Lord

Delivar:
I specifically mean quantum satellite technology.

Are you familiar with the concept of black book national security projects?

If you assume that the United States does not have a quantum satellite despite leading in satellite, rocket launch, and quantum computing technology; then you are very delusional!

China has only one way to approach any problem. Steal the IP, use their manufacturing prowess to replicate it quickly, then use more stolen IP to refine their creation. The FBI in a testimony to Congress stated that China currently runs the most vast, hard line, and ingrained espionage operation in the US.

To be fair, I like many others would like the US to have competition; as they've misused their dominance more times than not. But China, at least as long as the CCP is still in charge, is anything but an ethical competition. They are just thieves everyone is scared to confront.

You like to say the US stole from Britain, except that the US and GB had the same political outlook; and they used their advancements to foster the special Anglo-American special relationship. China is not and will never be America's friend, and when they start dominating unilaterally they'd have no friends, not even Russia. Everyone would have to submit to the CCP mutely like is the case in China today.

-Lord

Delivar:
Even the U.S stole technology to get to where they are now. The U.S took in German scientists after world war 2. The U.K had to give America all their tech innovations cos they didn't have the money to develop them during world war 2. The U.S is even currently stealing Chinese advances in quantum technology.

US stealing Chinese advances in quantum technology?

Are you high on meth?

-Lord

shotuns:
Japan is still doing Great actually, . Just not hungry for power. Their technology/ products is Super and genuine compare to the Chinese.

Japan is hungry for power, however they like Germany have been neutered by the free World (military restrictions and what not) owing to their history.

It's interesting that current perception is that Japan's tech is superior to China. Well, that's true; but after WWII, Japan went through the same birth pains as China of the last three decades, where their tech lagged significantly behind US/Europe. They met and surpassed at least Europe, and even lead the developed world in select areas like robotics.

The problem with China, at least IMHO, is the Party. True, it has been responsible for their rapid rise. But an authoritarian behemoth with 1.3b+ willing puppets that has already surpassed the US in GDP (by PPP) and could potential double their economic size is uncharted territory for the planet. Seriously look at their involvement in the Korean War, the Sino-Indian War, and the current South China Sea dispute and any student of history would get the chills.

So as cool as their tech and economic rise has been, the fact that they are well on their way to becoming the de facto economic power (even military power as well, they are already laying the foundations of a projecting superpower) means that there could potentially be a fundamental shift in how the World is run. A power that can make billionaires disappear and does not recognize the lexicon called "human rights" is anything but good news.

Sure the current World Order is not perfect and could use some tweaking, but a Red World Order could make this one (with all its issues) seem like Christmas in the future.

-Lord

kroger:
You are wrong China economy Right now has overtaken that of US, in technology they are at per with US. Tell me Which Technology US have that is alien to china..

They're not at par with the US in science and technology.

The US is at least one decade ahead in semiconductor tech. In space tech, they're a good two decades ahead. In Aviation, the US is ahead. In AI, the US is ahead. China still steals IP from the US and force foreign companies to do tech transfer to access their market. You do that only when you are by far inferior.

China will get ahead of the US eventually, primarily thanks to their huge population that is four times America's. But if Japan had comparable population (and geography), China would not stand a chance in Asia.

-Lord