EmeeNaka:
The Section 2 you quoted is talking about Group while Section 9 talks about individual.
The declaration by Defence Headquaters is null and void

I don't blame the OP, I blame the useless mod that couldn't even point out the fallacy in the writeup before pushing the nonsense to front page.

Goes to show how pro-establishment NL really is.

-Lord

DEXTROVERT:
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These
PDP
Sponsored
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It's called KARMA.

If APC loses the election in 2019, they can repeat what they did in 2011-2015 when they supported any anti-government initiative.

-Lord

Mynd44, I expect this thread to be given the attention it deserves.

To the topic, it is immediately clear that the government intends to start with IPOB by illegally proscribing it, so it can use it as a reference point should it decide to declare militant groups as terrorist organizations in the near future.

The IYC has seen the ruse as I have, and I expect the condemnation from other quarters of the SS landscape to be total and definite.

The SS would not accept this stup*dity.

-Lord

In June 2013, GEJ rightly declared Boko Haram and Ansaru as terrorist organizations.

But unlike the military did with IPOB, GEJ did not pull that pronouncement out of his hat.

It was based on an Order of the Federal High Court Abuja.

The Federal Government has issued a gazette on the proscription of Jamaatu Ahlis-sunna Liddaawati Wal Jihad (otherwise known as Boko Haram) and Jama’atu Ansarul Muslimina fi Biladis Sudan (JAMBS).

The gazette, titled “Terrorism (Prevention) (Proscription Order) Notice 2013 was signed by the Attorney-General of the Federation, Mr. Mohammed Bello Adoke (SAN).

The gazette reads: “Order declaring the activities of ‘Jamaatu Ahlis-Sunna Liddaawati Wal Jihad and ‘Jama’atu Ansarul Muslimina Fi Biladis Sudan ’ as terrorism and illegal, proscribing their existence and restraining any person or group of persons from participating in any manner whatsoever in any form of activities or concerning the prosecution of the collective intentions or otherwise of the said groups.

“Notice is hereby given that by the Order of the Federal High Court Abuja, in Suit No. FHC/ABJ/CS/ 368/2013 dated 24th May, 2013 as per the Schedule to this Notice, the Activities of ‘Jamaatu Ahlis-Sunna Liddaawati Wal Jihad and ‘Jama’atu Ansarul Muslimina Fi Biladis Sudan’ are declared to be terrorism and illegal and that the existence of Jamaatu Ahlis-Sunna Liddaawati Wal Jihad and ‘Jama’atu Ansarul Muslimina Fi Biladis Sudan’ are proscribed, pursuant to Section 2 of the Terrorism (Prevention) Act 20111(As Amended)."

Source: http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/exclusive/fg-issues-gazette-on-proscription-of-boko-haram-ansaru/

The proscription was pursuant to Section 2 of the TPA.

Furthermore, Section 9 of the TPA does not "makes express approval for the executive arm to immediately declare a group as a Terrorist group," as Cacawa2 wrongly asserted. Only Section 2 accords that authority. Section 9 clearly pertains to an individual rather than an organization.

Nigeria is no longer under military rule, so it is tantamount to usurping of powers for the Nigerian Army to unilaterally declare an organization a terrorist organization, and should be roundly condemned by all well-meaning Nigerians.

IPOB remains a lawful organization until a case calling for its proscription as a terrorist group is filed by the Attorney General of the Federation and a court of competent jurisdiction gives requisite order. Until then, the proclamation by the Nigerian Army is unconstitutional, illegal, and an affront to the rule of law.

-Lord

sukkot:
cant take these boys serious after USA destroyed them in the olympics. after getting raped they still went to ask for autographs from the rapists. yeye pipo

Ahn ahn na.

Easy!

How do you expect them to win the USA? It's like expecting our air force to defeat the USA in an air dog fight.

Keep your expectations way too low and no one would shatter it.

-Lord

soshi:



dats just d truth......d rohinga Muslims killed in Myanmar...where their leader is a Nobel peace price Laurette ....and everybody lock up.......na here u want make dem come talk

u guys should wake up

Read and inform yourself.

She's not attending the general UN assembly, and the UN has called the killings ethnic cleansing. Bangladesh and Pakistan have condemned it.

Be giving yourself hope. Nigeria is not Myanmar or CAR or South Sudan. There are more Igbos in the West than Burmese, CAR and South Sudanese nationals in the West put together.

Who do you think created South Sudan, your father?

Thinking you can do sh*t and get away with it repeatedly is stup*d*ty. The Northerners know this and that is why there has been no reprisals for the rumors of killings in the South. At a point, they'd be sick of it.

No country on earth has survived two civil wars. None.

-Lord

efilefun:
kindly help translate what is being said in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpB6c_lM9uY

Illiterate.

Is a dead Hausa/Fulani man in that video? Or do you have trouble comprehending the English language.

And you think you are normal.

-Lord

eniade07:
The man is not a Colonel please.

You should know Nairaland is pro-Nigeria.

That's the reason the news of Amnesty International condemning the operation didn't make the front page.

And that's why a lawyer with a personal opinion is being called a Colonel.

Coming to Nairaland to look for objective (or at least balanced) reporting is a poor decision.

Let them have their 30 seconds of fun.

They did same when Buhari started his stupidity with NDA. I recall being banned then for "inciting violence." In the end, sh*t hit the fan and the f*cktard was demystified. Hundreds of soldiers died needlessly and no NDA militant was arrested. The economy collapsed and PANDEF walked into Aso Rock majestically.

I can't wait for Nigeria to be restructured, so regional forums become the core meeting place for like minds. And I'm counting on continued pressure from the groups agitating to make that happen. If IPOB fizzles out, you can bet your hat that the calls for restructuring would take a back seat.

-Lord

#OWNED.

-Lord

The writer/OP who wrote the thread title is a CLOWN.

For those who wouldn't read the entire article (I know you're busy ). Here's the summary:

The group of "over 400 ethnic nationalities of the North" resolved that the federal government should revisit the resolutions of the 2014 national conference, where issues were successfully resolved by Nigerians, for urgent implementation.

Don't mind the false headline.

Nigeria MUST be restructured. That is NON-NEGOTIABLE.

-Lord

Danielmoore:
Nigeria should be restructured into four regions

North
East
West
Mid west(Edo and delta)

so that Yoruba and Igbo can have a sense of belonging

FIVE (5). With Middle Belt as a region.

Allah forbid Middle Belt is joined to the North. Current killings of ethnic and religious minorities would sound like a tea party compared to then.

Mid-West ended in 1991. Niger Delta it is. I don't know of any Bendel local who doesn't subscribe to being called a Niger Deltan. From Benin in the West to Cross River in the East, more than two dozen major ethnic groups and hundreds of minorities live together in harmony and lend their voices to the same goal.

-Lord

otosa:
To me, am seing the move by APC as creating of camping's tool for 2019 general Election. As the llist stated you will understand that they are not ready for restructuring of this Country.Look at the list bellow, list 1,4 is going to be a tool that the northern will u to stabilise the mind of other region during the general meeting, especially within South South Region. Secondly, if APC truly ready for restructuring before 2019 they shouldn't have mentioned/listed item 3 for now because to achieve this if it's going to handle separately it would take them good two years which is going to be year 2019 ending and while the election will hold by February 2019. And now, for you to understand the kind of game they are going to play if they truly ready to accept the restructuring as everybody are asking for making use of 1963 constitution them are taking about power sharing, which power? Because I really know that if they allow us to make use of 1963 constitution nobody will like to go to abuja (central) again. In which anybody that wish to run for President/PM will elect due to his/she performance in he/er region.
We are here watching them on 3D View like Genesis cinemas used to present it on latest movie.

1. Creation/merger of states and the system and rules
for accomplishing that


2. Deduction standard verging on what level of
government collectible income ought to be given
back


3. Devolution of forces on what thing on the restrictive
authoritative rundown ought to be exchanged to the
repetitive rundown and unifying units, particularly
state and group police, detainment facilities


4. League Units: Should Nigeria be founded on areas or
zones or 36-state structure


5. Financial federalism and income designation.


6. Type of government (parliamentary or presidential)


7. Autonomous bid.


8. Land residency framework.


9. Nearby government independence.


10. Power sharing and turn


11. Asset control; and


12. Sort of council.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

But at least they've sat their a$$ up. Early this year, that dwarf in Kaduna was saying those calling for restructuring were corrupt. Now, they're scrambling to defuse the tension. The tension would remain until Nigeria is restructured.

Those animals up North are uncivilized and only budge when the stakes are high.

We should ratchet up the antics until they submit.

-Lord

So you guys have cleaned up the 2014 Confab report you guys threw in the trash can previously ba?

What would it have cost you guys to be proactive rather than reactive.

Anyway, better late than never.

Make una show Benin mk we rub minds. But we'll keep the burner turned up, because we no trust una one bit.

Only tension moves the needle in Nigeria.

-Lord

Goke7:


you will understand better as the days goes by cos to you guys PMB is to be blamed for everything!

The reprisals have started I hear.

I'm sure it was the plan of the Eastern elites to call for an operation that would no doubt affect Igbos in the North.

-Lord

Goke7:

They only made those political statements to give the impression that they are not in support. The President can never order the military to go into any state without the consent of the Governor, read Ikpeazu's statement again, why did he imposed a curfew immediately the operation started. This is why they met kanu initially now to make him drop the agitations. If you read what the governor said, he is insisting that protests and other rallies will not be held again. This is different from Niger delta problem, is the FG owing kanu and his followers any thing, have they been interacting before? Kanu is no threat to PMB or APC, they don't need SE votes to remain in power. The SE politicians fortune is at stake, even ohaneze started retreating from Kanu's agitation when he started singing about the anambra election boycott. Ohaneze can't take their eyes off the goodwill from politicians. They have plan B already if kanu does not back down. This is no northern issue, have the SE politicians not been appealing to kanu before now?

I wouldn't bother myself debating about the person/group behind the operation. I suppose Ayade also asked for the military to enter Cross Rivers abi?

Buhari gave a broadcast were he warned he wouldn't tolerate calls for secession. Days later he had a meeting with military chiefs. Days later the operation was announced. And days back the operation commenced. All of these were captured by the media.

Maybe I'm missing something, but at what point did the SE governors request for the military?

See why I said I wouldn't debate this with you. The architect of this mishap is visible to the blind, yet you can't see it. Well done!

-Lord

olusogo:
You want Buhari to revoke Kanu's citizenship? For your information Kanu is a Nigerian no matter what. His father is a chief. He stayed most of his life in the country, he could not even gainfully employed after his education in UK. I do not think any terrorist is popular more than Sekau of Boko Haram. There is nothing wrong treating anybody like a terrorist who chose to. He has committed crime like that of Yussuf which led to Boko Haram insurgence. IPOB has started burning police station, killing police and terrorizing people no matter if they are Ibo or not.

Bin Laden was declared outcast and wanted by Saudi government long before he became full fledged terrorist leader. Then he was calling for the government to send America away from Saudi.
Kanu has committed crimes against civil society, he is far from being civilized. In the constitution if you have any agitation, you can go to court or if it is secession you can go through your National Assembly members of your constituents. Those are the two ways. Any other mean is tantamount to crime.
I doff my cap for this government in treating this situation. Operation Python dance is just a warning to those miscreants IPOB members. It doen not really target Kanu.

That his father is a king does not mean that his citizenship cannot be revoked.

And no he has committed no crime yet. Yusuf was not convicted of any crime either before he was killed.

-Lord

Goke7:

Oga the Igbo elites are the ones dealing with ipob now, pmb ant the north are not the issue, elections are close and the Igbo governors and other politicians can't afford kanu as an obstacle to their mega bucks. This is the first warning, if kanu does not retreat, they have plan b

And the same elite condemned the military operation?

Read the news of the SE caucus of the Nat'l Assembly and Ohaneze Ndigbo condemning the operation.

PMB and the North are on the issue because there have been no reprisal or follow-up in the North, which is a standard occurrence with this sort of issue. It is a co-ordinated attempt that has backfired.

Igbo elites know the operation is a bad idea, which is why they implored the governors to sit with Kanu. And Obiano was apologizing about the IPOB killings of last year in Anambra. For crying out loud, the second meeting between Kanu and the governors was to hold tomorrow. Kanu called that off yesterday, today Ikpeazu is announcing the premature withdrawal of the military. Do you think it is a coincidence.

Buhari just keep making a fool of himself with very silly decisions. That's how he was ranting about dealing with militants in the Delta. Just small play wen we play with am, crash the economy for a few months, he send Osinbajo mk he come beg. Ask yourself, was any NDA militant arrested? You guys went from macho men threatening fire and brimstone to environmental activists worried about the effect of oil spills from blown up pipelines.

British Foreign Secretary warned the mofo not to use force in the Niger Delta. UN asked for the Arewa Youths to be arrested for the quit notice. You think all of this is random? The time of impunity by the Northern hegemony is over, the crude tactics of yester years won't work today. Give everyone a fair representation or let everyone find his/her bearing.

-Lord

victorvezx:

See consolation oh

Consolation?

I'm not an IPOB member. I'm not even Ibo. I'm an objective observer who can't seem to understand how foolish Buhari can be.

He lost the war against corruption (no high-profile conviction in 2 years).
He lost the war against boko haram.
He lost the war against NDA (sending Osinbajo to go beg and inviting PANDEF to Aso Rock).
Now he is losing the war against IPOB by making Kanu a hero.

Buhari is a failure through and through. There is a reason GEJ and Osinbajo ignored the riff-raff Kanu. But the daft, prehistoric Buhari can't use his brain. Look at how he is making a hero out of an unemployed nobody. Kanu is a British citizen and a practicing Jew, you don't act stupidly with someone with those credentials.

If he was a Nigerian, them for don end am tey tey. Ignore him and govern properly, na only him go tire; or revoke his Nigerian citizenship, transfer his a$$ to the UK, and blacklist his passport.

Anyway, let Buhari continue with his foolishness. I'm all for restructuring. Suddenly, because of Kanu's noise, restructuring is no longer a forbidden topic. Which is what I've been begging for since last year. Now, I'm just twiddling my thumb because e sure say restructuring go happen soon.

IPOB and FG should continue the cat and rat game, people from my side of the country would be better off whichever direction the wind blows.

-Lord

Tyche:


After this unnecessary waste of life, the least you could was call for caution and change of strategy by IPOB.

when I joined NL newly, I use to respect your post as a true blooded Igbo man, but you are beginning to loose it.

Unless you've been living under a rock, hundreds of IPOB members were killed in 2016. If they didn't change strategy then, why do you think they would now?

You guys just gave him a perfect excuse to continue ranting.

This is not a military regime. And this is not 1967 where news take days to register and cover-ups were easy-peasy.

The Army was hoping to do a Zahkazy on Kanu and thinking everything would go on as usual. How did you guys let an unemployed riff-raff with a radio station become an household name? Think!

Now the North is saying the plan of Kanu and his backers is to topple Buhari. Sorry, but was it not too long ago that they gave the impression that Buhari and the North were invincible and could not be challenged?

-Lord

Nemesis1:



I don't think troops should be withdrawn doing so will give them confidence and they'll start singing they chased Buhari's slaves away by resisting them

What were you guys expecting to achieve?

You guys continue underestimating the resolve of these people. Just four days and an operation slated to last for one month is about to take a breather.

Remember a Senator stood in for Kanu's bail. And a day after the clash between the Army and IPOB in front of Kanu's house, the SE caucus of the Senate, SE caucus of the HOR, and Ohaeneze Ndigbo condemned the operation. Reuters reported on it within hours.

And this is the first time in the history of the nation that Hausas were attacked in another region and there was no reprisal in the North. Arewa Youths sent a letter to the UN to label IPOB a terrorist group, UN retorted for their arrest for issuing a quick notice.

I'm not trying to play up IPOB or Kanu. At least 100 IPOB members have died since Kanu returned, but it appears every move to forcefully dissipate the movement does the exact opposite. This is a guy who is meeting with governors, and you think a show of force in his state is a good idea.

IPOB won this round. The last time tens of IPOB members were killed, Amnesty International raised a storm about it. Al Jazeera played a tape about the unprovoked military aggression to Buhari during an interview. Now there's at least one new tape of soldiers maltreating unarmed civilians with dead people in view. What do you think Amnesty International would do this time, send the NA accolades?

IPOB and Nnamdi Kanu is trending on Nigerian Twitter. This is free, inexpensive coverage for them.

The plan to intimidate IPOB backfired, and it'd likely make the Anambra boycott a success.

One poor decision after another.

-Lord

DerrickzB:



Please don't drag us into ur nonsense.. SE is on it's on.. we the SS ain't biafrans... be safe

Go easy mate.

Soldiers were also deployed to Cross River which is part of the SS, so we're watching the NA with hawk eyes to see how far their foolishness takes them.

We are neither here nor there yet. The aim is restructuring and better resource control, and we're getting there slowly but surely.

-Lord

EazyMoh:

[s]Lol is this the best you can do?
Most of the trash you wrote is to denigrate me. The way your are fuming as if I slept with your girlfriend.
Keep linking the so called developed world's asses, they may grant you the refugee status you so much love to label yourself.
Once again I repeat myself, our emergency and precautionary measures are below acceptable and we shall definitely do better by encouraging and contributing our part.
Those countries you love to ass-lick are nowhere near you glorify them to be.
Deal with it![/s]

-Lord

sonnie10:


They circumstances are totally different from those in Nigeria. There are people who totally depend on 24hrs functional utilities to survive . They've healthcare worker taking care of them round the clock.

Do you know the number of nursing homes, hospice, ICU assisted living, rehabilitation centers, memorial lost services that are in Houston alone? There are thousands of such facilities in Houston . These places provide service to individuals who otherwise would've long died. They keep treating them, pampering. Patching, doing everything to keep them alive.

Those people are very vulnerable. If they were in Nigeria, , OYO is their case. But instead, they are place in life supports, vents, feeding tubes, oxygen tubes, incubators to keep them alive
You can only imagine what happens when power goes off for a second or their care providers are not able to get to them because of flood.

Secondly, do not look at those figures and budgets as being high because everything is paid for on hourly rate in US. Those emergency personal are all paid on hourly rate.

That fellow is a blockhead. He is one of the educated illiterates who do not have the mental capacity to fathom that there can ever be something better than what he is experiencing.

Trying to explain such things to him is akin to pouring water on stone. It'd be the most unproductive thing you do this year.

-Lord

EazyMoh:

Story!
I admitted our emergency services and precautions are below acceptable. We can absolutely do better. But not by condemning our countries and acting as if the little people do doesn't matter.
If 500 die in Sirrea Leon Mudslide and more than 10 die in US $160bn worth of damage after weeks of warning and their preparations, then where is all their sophistication that you people are busy glorifying?
Talking about your country doesn't make it better, If you want things done better get involved and contribute your best towards finding solution.
The so called developed countries aren't anywhere close to how you people paint them and demonize your own countries.

You're not the brightest of the bunch it appears.

Texas is larger than the entire South of Nigeria. Badagry is four times larger than Freetown. If 1000 people died in Freetown that's not large enough to be a county in Texas, yet less than 50 died in Texas, then it really tells a lot about how much you value lives.

And talking about the worth of damage is a moot point because Nigeria's entire budget is less than $30b (let's not talk about Sierra Leone). You can't lose what you don't have. And it's not like they can relocate buildings and critical infrastructure which make up the bulk of damages.

There have been floods in many parts of Nigeria this year because of the rains and poor drainages. It was the same case last year and the year before. It'd be the same next year. And when reasonable people complain, people like you who see suffering as an acceptable way of living would look for silly excuses to justify the pitiable negligence exhibited by the government.

Later, you'll call their ineptitude, "the little people do." They'll inflate contracts and still under-deliver or outrightly neglect the project, people die as a result, and you explain it away as "the little people do"? Your reasoning is a public hazard.

Even beavers build dams in time to protect their homes from flooding, yet you call yourself a human being after typing the trash you so effortlessly spew. If a beaver is smarter than you are, you need help.

A people surely deserve the leaders they get.

I was wrong to call your comments patriotic, they are disgusting.

-Lord

EazyMoh:

Could you people please stop comparing Hurricane with Mudslide?
Hurricane is 100% expected weeks before it's arrival. It's path, speed effects properly deduced before it came. Mudslide on the other hand is unpredictable. it happens in a matter of seconds, minutes at most.
Granted our emergency services are not close to theirs, but let's stop with the ass-licking.

Ass-licking?!

You do know that floods, occasioned by limited slides are an annual occurrence in Freetown during the rainy season, right?

10+ people (official numbers) died in 2015 from the floods. The Met Agency forecasts for this year were gloomy prior to the mudslide, and no one needs a soothsayer to predict that a mudslide can happen in Freetown. It's below sea level and surrounded by "heavily forested mountain ranges." Combine that with poor urban development and debilitating infrastructure, and it wasn't a matter of if, but when.

The Netherlands has dunes to protect from coastal flooding because of their low sea level. That's called preparing for the inevitable.

Over here we hope on a Sky Daddy to protect our myopic a$$, when we have what it takes to preempt disasters and do the needful to at least curtail the adverse effects... Yet you have the effrontery to call objective criticism ass-licking...

Tomorrow, you'd head to a Western embassy looking for visa.

Your post reeks of disgraceful patriotism.

-Lord

IamaNigerianGuy:


Exactly. She is moving from Web to TV ? Sounds to me like a step back. Online content delivery is the present and future.
Her money. Her choices.

I get where you're coming from, but I beg to differ.

TVs aren't going away soon. And it's really easy to adapt content on TV to the Web. She can develop apps for viewing, launch geo-specific licensing deals with streaming devices like Roku, and/or upload highly-rated content to and even strike original content licensing deals with VODs and video-sharing sites like YouTube.

If she can get her TV channel on the four big cable brands--DSTV, GoTV, Startimes, and MyTV; specifically on low-priced bouquets, she'd set the stage for domination in years to come; whether she chooses to start more niche channels (say focusing on health, cooking, or beauty...) or veer off to another industry like starting her own fashion line. As that'd enhance the Linda Ikeji brand.

Not sure if she has the deep pockets tho' for this venture, although I reckon she could get a loan. Sure, she's got mullah, but OWN (Oprah's TV channel) was running at a hefty loss for 3 years before striking gold. She's already committed to a bunch of developing projects that's tying down money. And core media businesses are very unlike starting a blog.

I see her running away with this one if she plays her card right. The market is under-served, especially by home-grown content. She should be the face of the network, running a premium show like Oprah's; that's her ticket to morphing from an industry heavyweight to a household name. She should also air quality network exclusive shows and TV series: yeah, that means getting her hands in the movie business.

And when she's fifty, she can write a book on how she went from a blog on a free domain to owning one of the largest media empires in the West African sub-region. I'm sure that'd be a NY bestseller. Everyone likes to read about self-made people.

The good thing about making money is that it opens multiple doors to making more; and you can keep smiling to the bank while people complain that the rich get richer.

-Lord

aieromon:
Lacasera substituted while Welbeck is still on the field

Arsenal fans na real MVPs to dey manage that coach.

Arsenal were unlucky tho', two uncalled pens and a legit goal thrown in the bin. Then the missed chances that were a dime a dozen.

That team needs serious overhaul.

-Lord

timsTNA:
Yorubas are sad. Osinbajo the puppet is back to irrelevance

You know wassup!!!

-Lord

lycan2:
SPOILER ALERT IN GOT ,LITTLE FINGER DIES AND A DRAGON IS TURNED TO A WHITE WALKER

Ahn Ahn na?!

Do you think you're the only one who has watched episode 6 and read episode 7 plots. I have FYI.

Anyone who wants to see/read spoilers of upcoming episodes can do so with a simple Google search. Why put it in the face of those who most likely do not want to know, by posting such info on a public forum.

"Cease and Desist" fella, this ain't cool.

-Lord

Madridistas, let's savor the moment.

Couple of years back we were right where Barca is now (prolly a worse place even).

Barca fans should simply ride the storm. You guys didn't think the honeymoon would last forever, did you?

-Lord

kingthejet:
Good day house.
Gong through this thread has been interesting. The title did say how do females cope with male ob/gyn doctors but I think the focus drifted to whether male ob/gyn are normal (have supposed normal male emotions) when handling their female patients.

Well, yes they are normal men. Early in the training,  you're being trained by your senior  doctors to compose yourself as this is just business and strictly your job. So yes male/ob do feel emotions but this is extremely short lived (less than 3 seconds). Occasionally you'll briefly admired an attractive female and strictly just admiring. Afterwards it's business straight away. Chances are you'll not even remember the woman you examined because the number of patients you'll see in a day ehn, many of my patients always feel sad when I can't remember then until they say "Sir you're the one that repaired the tear wey i get when I deliver " and I'll be like sorry o na the work plenty na why.
Also keep in mind, some doctors have dated and married thier patients. Some of them are also looking for wives. I have 9 friends that have done so. So womaniser or not,na una sabi.

Pelvic and breasts examination are not the only thing doctors do but these are vital to confirming diagnosis and planning suitable treatment options. Many diagnosis have been missed becuase male doctors don't want perform VE to inconvenience their female patients and when treatment fails, these same women will say "he is  not a good doctor. A doctor can decide whether surgery will be necessary by the size of a breast lump  (we are not handling for fun) while checking for features of malignancy. Pelvic examination is never ever fun,I repeat it's never ever fun. A doctor usually has extremely limited time to check the perineum because the women are either uncomfortable or always contracting hereby limiting proper examination. If you think VE is fun ask the house officer who has to monitor a woman in labour regularly.

As for the matter of immorality that a male should not be a ob/gyn specialist, this is extremely wrong. Its like saying female docs shouldn't catherise male patients or specialise in urology. Males started moving to the obgyn field because less women became interested in it. Most of the best ob/gyne are males (5 out of 7 profs where I trained were males).   Female ob/gyn are usually judgmental and unsympathetic. Ask the female patients who always run to male docs for MVA and why they don't go to female docs.
But if as a female you don't like the thought of a male doctor examining you,  no stress,  look for a female doctor to examine you. Trust me the male doc is not bothered, na him money him dey reason

Also on the view that most men were driven into the obgyn field because of "touching women" is funny and ridiculous. Obgyn is one of the most lucrative specialties in medicine. The price of cesarean section is enough to attract anybody to that field. As a doctor in such a speciality, you will never lack patients; women must always give birth, ladies go always come down with infections/fibroids/cysts,  not like we pray for these but na wetin dey happen that's why we studied hard to treat them and save the lives of our women.

Now all that I've said should apply to the well trained male doctor/obgyn specialists. There are many chews and other people claiming to be doctors these days who don't have the basic conditioned training of a doctor.  I've tried to explain how a typical male obgyn doctor thinks and works. Yes, sometimes you do see a female and find her attractive but when she gets unclad, your mind shifts to examining her well and treating her condition well. When you do your business well, your patient will refer other patients to you. Besides, the type of lawsuits that hits unprofessional doctors is more than enough to deter a trained professional. A chaperone is always present, even for regular patients because any small thing your license don go.

Now with all that said, I think the focus can shift to the part where the females can actually comment on how they cope with male obgyn doctors.

Have a nice day.

Brilliant submission.

The distraction on this thread has been from pathologically ignorant, ultra-religious, self-righteous minds stuck in the 8th century who think everyone is as depraved and sick as they are. Even the OP is not excluded from this generalization.

Imagine a complete illiterate who can't tell the difference between a radiologist and a radiographer (despite Google being only a tab away) trying to sound like an authority on medical ethics.

And that's one of the roadblock to awareness. The pseudo-knowledgeable so-called educated people who reason more with their a$$ than whatever actually occupies their skull (because it sure as hell isn't a homonid brain). Always trying to form distasteful consensus on primal issues despite knowing about as much as the subject in question as an untrained chimpanzee.

As I've said repeatedly, it is one thing to have objections to the whole cross-sex examination thing, it is another thing to accuse people of having a faulty moral compass because they can do sth you can't do. The stupidity of it all is mind-boggling.

Idiotas like the one I quoted are the rapists and sexual assaulters in our society who complain that they rape and assault simply because it's the natural thing for a man to do when a lady acts or dress in a certain way, when that sure as f*ck ain't the case, as they'd rape and assault nuns if they had the chance. To them, because the natural thing is for a man to lose his mind when a female undresses before him, male ob gyns are just as depraved as they are in a professional setting, when that sure as f*ck ain't the case.

And when you let them have their way. Next thing they're saying women and men shouldn't enter the same cab, because sitting so close together will give off the wrong vibe. And before you know it, women are back in the kitchen because well that is the only natural place for them to be.

That is the typical kind of person like the slowpoke I've been replying trying to pass off ignorance as an opinion, when it's actually a huge pile of sh*t. If ladies should have to share their experiences, then it should be on another innocuous thread with very clear ground rules. If not you'd have these judgmental pricks even try to blame the ladies for letting a male health worker getting anywhere near them.

If you think you've seen it all in a penitentiary, then just waltz by this thread. Complete buffoons who should be shipped off to the Middle East (preferably to swell the ranks of ISIS, because I see no difference between the conservative terrorists and the basta*d I was replying) or Mars enjoying the liberalism of Southern Nigeria while acting and talking like pompous, self-gratifying, narcissistic dickh*ads. Later they'll rape or physically assault their wives, gfs, daughters, or sisters, and still have the guts to cry foul about loss of traditional values.

Hopeless baboons all of them!

-Lord