QuinQQ: And what are the reasons? Can you please state them and say how they justify SUDDEN UNWARRANTED DNA FISHING EXPEDITIONS? Tell us how they justify costly DNA on a teenager by the only father he knows who had raised him from infancy!
QuinQQ: Exactly as I thought, you can't come up with a reason and therefore resort to insults.
I can tell you some disadvantages right away without insults - broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home (the mother has now been expressly told her husband doesn't trust her). Add to those the obvious fact that unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth do not in any.way contribute to govt's duty to safeguard life and property and have society running as smoothly as possible!
Bro we've tried reasoning with you and after 14 pages you are still clueless and myopic. Further reasoning with you is a waste of time, you are not ready to be reasonable.
addictiv: We are going round in circles because you keep dressing up injustice as family protection.
Let us call your position exactly what it is.
You believe that once a man has loved, raised and financially supported a child for long enough, he should be denied the truth because his continued ignorance is useful to the mother, convenient for the government and less disruptive for society.
That is not protecting a family. That is exploiting a man’s love and using his emotional investment as a trap.
You say the child may become fatherless if the man walks away. But a child needing a father does not give the state the right to manufacture one through deception. The solution is to identify the biological father and make him fulfil his responsibilities, not to force an innocent man to carry another man’s obligation because he is already available.
You also cannot declare infidelity and paternity fraud irrelevant. A negative DNA result does not fall from the sky. Either there was a hospital error or another man fathered the child. Those facts are the entire reason the result matters.
You keep calling the family settled. A lie does not become legitimate because it remained hidden for many years. Fraud does not become acceptable because the victim has already invested heavily. In fact, the longer the deception continues, the greater the emotional and financial damage.
If the child is his, the test confirms it and the family continues. If the child is not his, the test did not destroy the family. The deception did. You are blaming the alarm for revealing the fire.
And if your genuine concern is protecting children from the shock of a late discovery, then compulsory DNA testing at birth is the obvious solution. Establish the truth before years of bonding, sacrifice and responsibility. You cannot reject early verification and then use the damage caused by late verification as an excuse to ban the truth entirely.
Your argument reduces the man to a disposable provider. His consent does not matter. His money does not matter. His emotional wellbeing does not matter. His right to know does not matter. All that matters is that he remains in position and continues paying so society does not have to deal with the consequences.
That is not fatherhood. That is forced responsibility through state protected ignorance.
A man may discover that the child is not biologically his and still choose to remain because of the love and bond they share. That would be genuine fatherhood because it would be based on truth and choice.
What you are proposing is not love, choice or family stability. It is deception made convenient.
If only the OP can lose the myopia and reason these points out.
QuinQQ: And what are the reasons? Can you please state them and say how they justify SUDDEN UNWARRANTED DNA FISHING EXPEDITIONS? Tell us how they justify costly DNA on a teenager by the only father he knows who had raised him from infancy!
There are now 13 pages of reasons to pack up your weak puerile argument but here you are still demanding a list. Shows you are lost in whatever dreamland you've created for yourself.
bentenny: Bro or lady. The more you keep typing epistles the more you keep making a mockery of yourself. Threads are suppose to engage and challenge the audience not bore them. You cannot be approbating and reprobating at the same time. I have pointed out where you goofed. If you can't see it clearly,then that's your future burden to bear.
QuinQ: What a question! Talk about being totally myopic. So broken homes should not concern the govt? Potentially destabilizing a setteled family unit is not the govt's biz. If the man walks away who'd his obligation to that child fall on? Is it not society and govt? How do fatherless children generally turn out? Bros you did not think this one through. Think more about it before responding
Bro you have no clue about how myopic you are that is why you still making this puerile argument.
The fact that there are 1001 things that are currently plaguing families that the government is not doing anything about while you are busy capping nonsense about DNA just shows how thoroughly disengaged from reality you are.
QuinQ: How many times have I make it clear that this thread is NOT about adultery, parternity fraud, mother's accountability and such, How many timed have I made it clear that the thread is about the govt recognizing that once a man accepts a child and bonds with the child for several years, THAT IS HIS CHILD! And there ought be a law encouraging him to focus on raising that precious child to maturity rather than spending time and 100's of thousands on DNA tests. I made it clear the thread is about the govt making laws encouraging him to do just that instead of spending scarce resources pursuing UNWARRANTED DNA FISHIING ECOEDITIONS! Read my posts! We are NOT talking about DNA tests for immigration or ancestry and such, we are talking about wasting money on sudden DNA tests on a teenager you've raised and loved since infancy!
What business is it of the government how I legally spend my money? It is even to the benefit of the state for me to do that DNA test because they will collect revenue from that payment.
Bro you are too myopic for this discussion. Best you shelve it and think of something more productive. This is not going well for you.
basilico: He didn't pay her. The judge ordered the money held in escriw to be released to her.
In Seattle , Senate RINOs refuses to allow the proposed US Attorney, so judges swore in Roger Rogoff instead. Trump fired him within an hour of getting sworn in.
Judge Boasberg has blocked Trump visa bans on foreign Disinformation Experts and Researchers. Examples include UK based Center for Countering Digital Hate that hates X with a passion. Another would be Tell Mama a UK based rights group for islamophobia, Plus Global Disinformation Index. Judge Boasberg seens to think he can order the executive around like children.
Relax It's judges who paid E Jean Carroll. I have a feeling we've not heard enough about her case Judges seem intent on sabotaging everything they can. Liberal judges that is .
LoLz. Distinction without difference. Who paid the money into escrow?
QuinQQ: You are the one myopic and needs come to your senses. Can't you people just see that a child you've raised from infancy to teenage years IS YOUR CHILD?! Can't you see that it is pure insanity for a Nigerian man to spend 100's of thousands on DNA for such child?? Are you people okay at all?
The suggestion is that the state step in with laws to help you do what you ought normally do - which is save your money and focus on raising your precious child!
You are not OK. People have pointed out to you all sorts of valid reasons why DNA testing may be required you are still here capping nonsense. Asking the state to curtail people's legal rights because you want to play ostrich. Abegi spare us your nonsense.
QuinQQ: Not at all. Haven't you been reading? The issue here is uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions. This is about settled families! We don't even know wether there had been infidelity. What we do know is that a man accepted a child from infancy, bonded with the child, and has been happily raising the child. "Uwarranted DNA fishing expedition" is years later suddenly going on DNA amidst all that. The state's concern is to discourage such, and encourage that the man saves his money and simply and happily keep raising a child that knows only him as farher and is very likely his biological child! That's what the govt concern is - Uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions that are actually of no benefit to the family or society!
There is nothing like unwarranted DNA fishing expedition. Our legal systems allow for any dispute to be resolved through testing. You are simply being stubborn and myopic. If anybody wants to contest paternity they are legally allowed to. You want the state to curtail our legal rights? This is myopic nonsense please. Come to your senses man!
QuinQQ: That's not what we're discussing here. What we are discussing is unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions. Remember we don't know that there had been infidelity. What we do know is that a man accepted a child from infancy, bonded with the child, and has been happily raising the child. "Uwarranted DNA fishing expedition" is years later suddenly going on DNA amidst all that. The state's concern is to discourage such, and encourage that the man saves his money and simply and happily keep raising a child that knows only him as farher and is very likely his biological child!
You want the state to block ALL DNA Testing of minors. That remains a shortsighted proposition and we are trying to get you to see that but your myopic view is drilled down to this one thing that no matter how many people tell you it is a terrible idea, you refuse to come to your senses.
IamAsiri: So, that means you approve of people stealing children and going ahead to take of them as their own while the parents look on helplessly even if they suspect a child is theirs. DNA is not only to establish paternity fraud. It can be used to resolve other cases such as stolen babies, swapped babies etc.
Thank you for this. QuinQQ can't see the forest for the tree.
Helinuse: It's the character of those people you are using to judge the rest, na. Just because all your Nigerian big boys spend to impress, You so also think a Bernard Arnault spends to impress too.
That is why I say, na dem Carter Efe be una big boys.
I never mentioned Carter Efe or ultra wealthy in Nigeria so whatever you are smoking must be making you hallucinate.
The most expensive wine in Europe is the Romanée-Conti Grand Cru 1945 worth $812,500. It is people like Benard Arnault who buy such things not your akara money holder who you claim just wants to catch fun.
Helinuse: And funny enough, you didn't bother reading what I wrote. You somehow think that the way these guys you mentioned behave here in Europe is the same way you behave in Nigeria, where if you add more money to your earnings, you have to spend that money.
So, in your mind, you think a person with a so-called net worth of $192.7 Billion will be eating a meal worth $1 million per day?
Again, I repeat, na only for Nigeria una dey get "ultra wealthy" people, who don't eat normal food with normal prices, but eat normal food with ultral wealthy prices.
Those your Carter Efe, Peller, Nasboi, Daddy Wa, etc. na dem be una "ultra wealthy."
You are funny. You actually think Bernard Arnault goes to akara joint equivalent? Carter Efe ultra wealthy? What are you smoking my guy?
QuinQQ: Please explain to me HOW you're defrauded. Remember people fight for custody of children tooth and nail. You don't have to do any of that. He's your child and you get ALL the benefits of fatherhood. He carries your name references you as the person who gave him every thing. And if he ever becomes something ALL the glory will go to you as his father. Please explain to me HOW you're defrauded
You are defrauded if the person tells you this is your child when it is not. Substitution without information or with outright lies is a fraud. Why do you have to be lied to? Why are you not given the choice to accept fatherhood or not? Why do you want the state to force this paternity fraud?
QuinQQ: I said OF MINORS. So there'd be no question of whose obligation it is to raise the child!
Bro why do you feel it is necessary to saddle another man with the burden of taking care of another man's child via state sanctioned paternity fraud? Which one is your own if a person decides to reject a fraud being perpetuated on him? If you want to be defrauded that's your choice allow others to shake it off if they wish. Na by force?
Ibrahimcoomasie: @Ogbenidipo Argentina’s peso has crashed into the ground with hyperinflation of over 200%, savings wiped out, salaries almost worthless.
That’s the same Argentina some loud “experts” wanted Nigeria to copy. The peso is rubble, while the naira, with all our challenges is nowhere near that kind of currency freefall.
All the overnight economists who shouted “copy Argentina!” “copy Argentina!” have suddenly gone quiet. Their model collapsed. They should be embarrassed .
Nigeria dodged a disaster and the people who pushed that nonsense owe us an apology!
This is why I don't believe in "saviours". We need hyperfocused teams of leaders that are ready to forego the usual aggrandisement of political office to focus on national development.
QuinQQ: Simple resson: if you've had a child since infancy, he is your child and you're his father and you're obligated to take care of that child till age of maturity. That's how Nature intended it. It is NOT sperm that makes you someone's father!
While it is true that biology is not the sole criteria for fatherhood, there are other reasons why DNA testing is good.
Banning it because of fatherhood drama is shortsighted.
Kobojunkie: Are we back to the habit of shifting the goal posts again?
I said mass killings of over 10,000, not mass protests or arrests.
How would they report something that didn't happen all at once. There was no one situation were 10000 people were killed enmass. The combined death toll is estimated to reach that number by some sources. So of course the answer would be no.
HardMirror: that is what the popular islamists on nairaland want people to believe. They are trying their best to hide the truth of how Iranians are fed up with islam
Kobojunkie: The fact that the regime killed about 42000 Iranians in less than a week was also mostly ignored for a while time until the IRGC itself began openly boasting of the killings a couple of weeks into the campaign against the IRGC by the U.S.
What are you talking about?! We had it all over the news hour by hour!
HardMirror: Most people supporting Iran on nairaland do not want you to know that majority of the people of Iran are fighting against the regime and want to be free. They do not want you to know that the Iranian government has killed thousands of its own citizens just because they are protesting to be free.
Huh? How is that information a hidden one? It was all over the news that there were protests that the regime brutally put down.
Helinuse: What do you mean by "ultra wealthy" I guess it is only in Nigeria that you see those "ultra wealthy."
But here in Europe, CEOs of the best capital investment firms take Starbucks coffee, even celebrities shop at normal malls, and government officials use normal pubs.
But only in Nigeria is there something like "ultra wealthy." And I am sure that the "ultra wealthy" people you are talking about are the ones your social media skit makers like Carter Efe, Nas Boi, Wizkid, etc. are talking about. Na dem dey deceive una.
Highly expensive restaurants in Europe are not even for the "wealthy." They are for people who want to spend a good "once in a season" evening with their loved ones and family. But una dey do "ultra wealthy" only restaurants.
Bro google the most expensive restaurants near you and compare their prices to the regular ones or this overpriced akara.
What do you mean only in Nigeria is there ultra wealthy? What do you call the likes of Bernard Arnault (France) – Chairman and CEO of LVMH, the luxury goods conglomerate, with a net worth of $192.7 billion or Amancio Ortega (Spain) – Founder of Inditex, the parent company of Zara, with a net worth of $111.3 billion. You think their money is akara money?
Philanderboy: Is this really right? Is this allowed?
Personally, this looks so wrong to me. Someone even said in the comment section that when his secondary school did that to him, he proceeded to carry the hairstyle to school like that for more than two weeks 😹
The only reason they can do this is because they are linked to the armed forces otherwise na gbege dem buy so.
Helinuse: There is something wrong with wasting money. It is only an African big man mentality that makes people think that "if you have money, spend money."
You will NEVER see the CEO of Citadel buy a $300 plate of spaghetti when he can obtain a $20 plate. But you will see a "oney na water" Cubanna chief priest spend N5 million to drink a bottle of wine in front of a camera because he thinks he has the money to do it and needs to show he does.
Bro leave that thing. Restaurants catering to the ultra wealthy do even worse than this over priced akara.
Family › Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LordReed(m): 4:00pm On Jul 16
