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Kobojunkie:
. And it isn't just that communism outlaws all historical forms of religion; it does so by replacing them with an idea that acts to contradict all past historical experiences, an institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices to replace all previously existing religions.


The following is taken from Chapter II of the Communist Manifesto, Proletarians and Communists.

basilico:
Right on the money. .Communism as presented required religion to be removed from the society. That way no single ideology of what's moral or immoral could be exercised The state would lay down the law of the land.
The ultimate failure if communism was it's silence on what's next. After the proletariat took power ,there was no structure provided that would be followed.The assumptions were that the society would enact the new order organically failed . Lenin and every other Communist first seized the wealth of the rich, the land and means of production. Becoming very brutal dictators.
The state is the all knowing all mighty ,.
Post from FB about Cuba.

THIS IS SOCIALISM. this is our ration cards in Cuba. Yes, we still have these in Cuba. Every month the government would give us this card to go to the Bodega to get our food. Its one card per household and depending on how many people, they would give you your items.
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‎In Cuba the monthly rations, per person
‎1. 5lbs of rice
‎2. 5 lbs of beans
‎3. One PIECE of chicken
‎4. 5-6 eggs (depending on scarcity)
‎5. 750g of cooking oil
‎6.  3 cups of coffee beans
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‎Everything else blank is because the government no longer gives Cubans that.
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‎Socialism isn’t social services. It’s economic dictatorship where the means of production are owned and distributed by the government.  And governments can never be as great as a free market. Never.

ValeeLove:
name the contradictions.

Of course the only way historic incidents that me verified is through documentation which you still disagree with. What am I to do?

ValeeLove:
I don't get it. Jesus had no diary like Caesar but his life was documented by eye witnesses. What's the difference? There's still no concrete evidence of the existence of Caeser.

ValeeLove:
also Jesus wasn't just any preacher. He was the most remarkable preacher. He rose from the dead. It hadn't been done before and since then.

ValeeLove:
its not a fairy tale. It's a historical account. The least you can do is give us a reason why you don't believe the historic account is true.

ValeeLove:
so what do you want, because i don't have videos or pictures. Do you give same standard for other historical figures like Cesar?

ValeeLove:
when you're done laughing, the option is still open as long as you're ready to live by God's will.

ValeeLove:
there are archeological evidence to show he existed. Of course there are no videos, but places he went to and things he did in those places are well documented and exist in Today's Israel.

ValeeLove:
if you believe then you'll receive grace to know God on a personal; not through the testimony of others or a book, but directly.

ValeeLove:
that's not how it works, I'm not God.

There's archeological and historical evidence to back up that claim. If you believe Julius Cesar existed, then you have to believe Jesus did too.

basilico:
I posted an exhaustive few months ago here. A few examples.

608 killed via EFP when America was in Iraq.

241 Marines killed in Beirut barracks. bombing. 1983

. Khobar Towers Bombing (1996): The Iran-backed Hezbollah Al-Hejaz group detonated a truck bomb outside a U.S. military housing complex in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 U.S. airmen.

U.S. Embassy Bombing in Beirut (April 18, 1983): An Islamic Jihad (Hezbollah) suicide car bomber attacked the primary embassy building, killing 63 people total, including 17 Americans

How many more incidents do I list to make it 1500?

You live in a clownish world




Please say those attacks never happened.

ValeeLove:
absolutely they can.

Do you believe he ever existed?

Rashduct4luv:
So where do you want the evidence to come from?

budaatum:
And it lies!

basilico:
What did you say?

LordReed:
It is your side who wants the US destroyed because it is your side who are spoiling for a civil war or at least secession.

basilico:
You said this....



Okay Ill apologize if you meant a civil war with conservatives vs liberals? I presumed the destruction was within the context of the current Iranian war.
I know you loathe, detest, dislike & hate Trump plus everything he stands for including weakening Iranian Ayatollahs.

basilico:
Iran has murdered around 1500 Americans and 3000 Israelis since 1979. They are the aggressors not the victims. Taking out the murderous thugs is not inviting destruction, it's ensuring the crazy theocrats don't threaten the rest of the world.
You so badly want the mission to fail while your relatives and millions of others are sustained by the drugs the US govt subsidizes.. If China was the superpower HIV and TB would have killed hundreds of thousands if not millions in Nigeria.

basilico:
How many of your relatives get free HIV or TB drugs.?

basilico:
The US Govt heavily subsidizes critical drugs that are provided to patients in Nigeria.

HIV / AIDS
Nigeria: Free to $2 per month
USA: $1,800 to $4,500 per month

Tuberculosis (TB)
Nigeria: Free for basic drugs
USA: $500 to $2,000+ per month

America is generally a force of good unlike the Chinese .
Hating on America praying for it's destruction while you are probably enjoying their subsidized drugs.
Extolling the Chinese who hijacked the WHO and pay literally peanuts into it.

Konkoja:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6_5DsRSVAY?is=rMywgbkVGn-NVDNS

Lindsay Graham in summary - legacy messed up for Trump.

budaatum:
It's not glaring to him who thinks he's the only one talking sense. But I guess that's the definition of ignorance.

Kobojunkie:
You have not shown or proven the lie but also accusing me of lying! You attempted dribbling your way around what was stated to claim what was not. This is exactly the way religious folks approach issues. 🙄🙄

budaatum:
You noticed too, my Lord.

Kobojunkie:
This happens to be the comment you responded to......complete with the picture attached, listing only Socialist/Communist/Marxist countries(all of which boast of implementing the communist manifesto as foundational ideology for at least the party that rules the system) from just the last century. Are you seriously wanting us to now believe you are suddenly drawing a blank on how this all started? 😒

Kobojunkie:
Excuse you! I specifically claimed that the religion on which Communism/Socialism/Marxism are built off of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto, is atheism. You claimed that was not the case and proceeded to suggest that Marxism can indeed be based on other religions. So, what in the world are you doing now? And why?

Kobojunkie:
If as an athiest, you wish to live under atheistic rule, then by all means, move to one of the many socialist/communist countries out there where atheism is recognized as pretty much the national religion or something. Otherwise, learn to keep your religion to yourself, accept and respect the law as is.

Kobojunkie:
So, it is no longer about basing the meaning of the term Communism/Socialism/Marxism on the idea invented by Karl Marx, but instead insisting that it should now be based on any idea that is based on the root word for Community, i.e., Commune.


Basically, you are willing to conflate different terms to push this notion of yours forward?

Kobojunkie:
Care to name one religious commune that does not follow the atheistic ideology but is clearly communistic in pattern?

Kobojunkie:
This coming from the one who has yet to realize that the core framework in communist/socialist/marxist regimes out there is drawn from atheism, the only acceptable religion in such regimes, thanks to Karl Marx himself?

Kobojunkie:
You are not going to get me to fuel your feel-good delusions here. 🤔

Kobojunkie:
Countries can be ruled, in some cases, by a religion. We see that happening out in the middle east with terrible results so far. The Vatican is a whole nother story entirely.

➜ Nonsense! History instead has it that it was the vast majority of countries built upon a foundation that is the religion of atheism killed the most people in the last century alone.

If as an athiest, you wish to live under atheistic rule, then by all means, move to one of the many socialist/communist countries out there where atheism is recognized as pretty much the national religion or something. Otherwise, learn to keep your religion to yourself, accept and respect the law as is.