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TenQ:
OUT ... Of.. BODY !

Which you are yet to show is objectively true. So you are yet to show what is special or objectively true about this experience.

BTW here is some guy who saw Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed, how seriously should I take him since he also had an OBE.

I Died; Saw Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad & Krishna During My NDE. What They Showed Me Changed Me Forever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pICciopQs7w

TenQ:
Physical Third party verification of what was sighted in an OBE!

Unless it is of things he wouldn't otherwise be able to see then it won't mean anything. Take your Howard Storm for instance, he said he saw his wife and the other patient in the room, there's nothing special about that description since they both were in the room with him. If he had described events or people outside the room that he could not have otherwise known then that would be something.

TenQ:
OBEs are called OBEs and not dreams for a reason dude!

Which you have yet to tell me.

TenQ:
Dreams and NDEs are subjective however OBEs within NDEs may not be subjective as they may describe real physical occurences

And how can we prove that that is the case?

TenQ:
How can one especially as an Atheist accept OBEs within NDEs without accepting that NDEs are true non physical occurences?

Same way I accept that people have dreams.

TenQ:
I am not even particular of his OBE. How about other even more compelling OBEs within NDEs?

How do we explain them away?

Why do we need to explain them away or otherwise? Why not just accept them for what they are, uniquely subjective experiences?

LeftAlone:
Every story I've shared so far on this thread happened in real life, with the exact address of where it happened.
See make your own research, you can't sit behind your PC and be typing whatever you feel like.
Come to the outside world. Where you don even waka reach sef?

Do you know that, just by knowing your name and your mother's name. Some people fit kill you or run you mad without ever seeing you in this life? Dey play o.

Will you send your name and mother's name, lemme hand it over to the people in authority?

Let's see whether we've added curry and sauce by the time you start jumping from pillar to post

Does it have to be the full name?

TenQ:
He was aware that the wife was crying her eyes out outside his room!?

His OBE wasn't even as compelling as others I'm sure you have listened to.

Both his wife and the other patient were in the room.

TenQ:
For people who believe only what is physically explainable, when a oeasob who has flatlined on the theater table is describing events happening around him in zone details, it is special
Except
If you can physically explain the OBE within the NDE

But he wasn't describing an events happening around him in detail. He said he saw his wife and the other patient in his room which is something he was already aware of.

TenQ:
Because when OBE occur within an NDEs, there is no objective explanation to reject the testimonies.

You haven't explained why it is special.

TenQ:
I am saying that only if you can explain away ALL OBEs can you dismiss his testimony as frivolous.

Do you have any reason to dismiss ALL OBEs as pure fantasy or fabrication?

Why are OBEs special?

TenQ:
Can you explain OBEs away especially where the subject report events or occurrences he cannot possibly be privy to?

Except you can conclusively say that his report is a fabrication, you have to take it seriously

Why though? You are just repeating that he had an experience so I must take it seriously. Why should I take his experience more seriously than any other experience especially mine. What is special about his experience?

iSense247:
https://www.informationng.com/2023/06/we-demolished-gandujes-roundabout-because-it-carries-sign-of-the-cross-kano-govt.html/amp

This is what you get when people use their religious bigotry to feed their arsehole behavior.

Obakoolex:
Mitsubishi gallant.....that ride try for me no be small

Same here. Mine was a '96.

budaatum:
Should be my busstop too, to be honest. Hopefully, he'd read the thread again sometime in the future

I hope so.

Maynmaynmayn:
It exist without been in existence.

All these levels and even beyond, matters to the inanimate object emerged from nothing.

Nothing here can be liken to Repose, when the repose is converted to Movement it becomes something.

“For a long time, I have remained silent, keeping myself quiet and restrained. However, now, like a woman in labor, I cry out, gasping and panting (Isaiah 42:14).”

It exists without existing. Right.

OK this is my busstop. Bye.

Maynmaynmayn:
Oh man,
“No time
No particles
No radiations.
No entities.
No matter.”
I was saying nothing contains nothing, i was given you examples.
Didn’t i say “space is within Nothing”?.

The screenshot was talking about Nothing, i was not talking about the “levels of Nothing”, i just wanted to show you that everything is within Nothing, that if you remove Everything, Nothing will still remain.


Inside that absolute Nothingness, everything emerges.

Absolute nothing does not and cannot exist.

Maynmaynmayn:
I don’t think i have mentioned “krauss nothing ” in my statements, talkless of saying he is describing level 9.
We haven’t even talked about levels of Nothing.

I told you that empty space is within Nothing.

You did:

Maynmaynmayn:
Bubbling and boiling with particles in and out of existence.
It is not talking about “nothing”.
He defined nothing as
No time
No particles
No radiations.
No entities.
No matter

And again:

Maynmaynmayn:
Yes, i never said otherwise. He defined Nothing as.
No time
No particles
No radiations.
No entities.
No matter
Space is within Nothing, it is from this Nothing that space emerges.

Plus you screen shot a description of a level 9 nothing from Sabine's video. So are you contradicting yourself or what was the point of putting a screenshot of level 9 nothing?

Very clearly Krauss' is not describing an absolute nothing and I am sure even Neil will not say it is an absolute nothing.

Maynmaynmayn:
I’m not talking about “Krauss Nothing”.
Krauss literally said Nothing has Nothing in it.

Didn’t you notice that they are taken all these things from within Nothing, Nothing still remains.

You said Krauss was describing a level 9 nothing but Sabine pointedly said he was decribing a level 5 nothing (which is obviously not an absolute absence) so who is wrong here?

Maynmaynmayn:
Yes i did.
I screenshoted the “meme” myself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4UpvpHNGpM

“You can create the entire universe out of nothing, because nothing has no net energy associated with it”

What level of nothing did she say Krauss' nothing was on?

Maynmaynmayn:
He said “empty space” is bubbling, boiling brew of virtual particles.
He also said this particles are going in and out of existence, they are not real, they are emerging out of nothing into existence and going back to nothing.

Nothing exist without being in Existence.

Have you listened to Sabine Hossenfelder's video that your meme is taken from?

Maynmaynmayn:
Bubbling and boiling with particles in an empty space. It is not talking about “nothing”.
He defined nothing as
No time
No particles
No radiations.
No entities.
No matter

Listen again at the 8:00 mark, he says we find nothing is complicated because it is a bubbling, boiling brew of virtual particles so an absolute void does not or cannot exist.

Maynmaynmayn:
Nothing— No-thing, it doesn’t contain a thing, what is a thing.
The term thing came from the Old English þing, meaning “entity”, “being”, “body”, or “matter”.

But it is also a bubbling, boiling brew so it is something but also nothing.

Maynmaynmayn:
Yes, i never said otherwise. He defined Nothing as.
No time
No particles
No radiations.
No entities.
No matter
Space is within Nothing, it is from this Nothing that space emerges.

Nothing is something which also nothing. Got it.

Maynmaynmayn:
That’s what he said in 10:36.
Lordreed I respect you here, i want us to have a discuss not an argument.

All mythologies point to this “No-thing”, even Science has pointed to it.

Listen to him from the 8:00 mark. He says "...empty space is a bubbling, boiling, brew of virtual particles...".

Maynmaynmayn:
What krauss is saying is only a tip of the iceberg.
No space
No time
No particles
No radiations.
No entities.
No matter
No-Thing.

That's not what he said though.

Maynmaynmayn:
The vacuum fluctuations are appearing and going back to nothing, they arise from nothing and will go back to nothing. That’s why I brought up the concept of zero.
Our idea of zero comes from india which has further origin.

Those vacuum fluctuations are the potentials within nothingness.

Listen to Krauss here, start from 7:30:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46sKeycH3bE

budaatum:
Intuition? As in, not know what he's talking about and is just making it up and whinging it?

I wonder why he'd do that instead of consider what those who actually know what they are talking about because they have spent time studying literature on the topic and considered it.

He did introduce Sunyata, but he also once Intuited that he was sitting on his buda in Budapest. Lol.

LoL.

Maynmaynmayn:
I think it is the definition of “nothing” that is the problem.
Nothing has alot of potential in it. Potential has energy.

“ The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system cannot change. The zero-energy universe hypothesis states that the amount of energy in the universe minus the amount of gravity is exactly zero. In this kind of universe, matter could be created from nothing through a vacuum fluctuation, assuming such a zero-energy universe already is nothing. Such a universe would need to be flat, a state which does not contradict current observations that the universe is flat with a 0.5% margin of error.”

What you might be failing to realise is the nothing cannot persist even for a second because of the vacuum fluctuations.

budaatum:
Funny, isn't it, my Lord.

I think he's trying to use intuition. If everything is contained in something then space and time are also contained in something which he is calling nothing. While ignoring those vacuum fluctuations which persist even in the absence of space and time.

Maynmaynmayn:
In space we have 3d
In spacetime we have 4d with the time.

The space I’m talking about is where quantum fluatutates and both it and space are within Nothing.

How can they be within nothing? You are saying here's something and calling it nothing. Nothing cannot exist because there's always something. If there is always something how can there be nothing.

You should go find some of Lawrence Krauss' videos on the subject so you can get a better idea.

Maynmaynmayn:
I said space not spacetime.
Even space is within Nothing.

Space-time is SPACE and TIME so the space you are talking about is included in space-time.