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Steep:
You only rubbished your point of view, in reality we all know rape is wrong universally which means there is God, atheism cannot allow for this.

Yet your bible accepted rape. The rubbish here is from you.

Steep:
that is you, don't run away from what you implied.

LMAO! You won't answer because it rubbishes your position on so called objective morality. Bwahahahahaha!

Steep:
The slaves where not taken to be oppressed, by the way why do you have prisoners of war then?
Go ahead answer

Come and be my slave, I promise I won't oppress you. LoLz.

POW are not slaves, they are to be given back once the war ends. When the Bible says buy slaves it says those slaves are slaves forever.

Steep:
you mean atheists accept rape, yeap rape is neither good or bad it depends on society or individual preferences... lordreed

LoLz. Don't deflect, if rape is objectively wrong why does the Bible accept some forms of rape. When you can point to where I said atheists accept rape you have a point meanwhile answer my question,.

Steep:
The Israelities were commanded not to oppress the stranger Ms among them meaning they don't take slaves forcefully, and in those days slavery was different it was a way of getting workers etc



Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

LoLz. Except the ones they took during war. I dunno how you can delude yourself that buying slaves or taking slaves after battle is not an acceptance of the practice of slavery.

Kobojunkie:
Is there a better prayer than the one recommended by God Himself?

I say the Lord's prayer whenever I want to pray, just as Jesus Christ said. And after that, I ask all I want to ask without worry.

Sounds nice. Doesn't seem to have a lot of baggage tbh.

Steep:
that was an error on my part , rather objective morality, objective morality does not depend on society or individual preference. For example rape is wrong regardless of whether society accept it or not, regardless of individual preference or not. It is wrong because it degrades because people are made in God's image.

So why did the Bible accept certain types of rape if rape is simply an objectively unacceptable thing?

Steep:
So in your world view rape can be good right?

No, in your world it might though.

Steep:
The bible never accepted slavery, but however the bible takes a different approach. This approach was gradual holistic, God's plan is to change the heart of men true his love and forgiveness this he achieved through Jesus.

LMAO! Buy your slaves from other nations is not an acceptance of slavery. Bwahahahahaha!

Steep:
yes that is what you implied, you said morality is subjective and you used north Korea as an example,

morality is objective because there is God, objective morality exist that is why you could say rape is wrong, murder is wrong racism is wrong, that is why you know North Korea is wrong for abusing humans on and on.
If morality is subjective then you cannot say anything is right or wrong since it all depends on individuals or society.

I didn't imply it, I stated it clearly. All morality is subjective.

Morality based on your god is also subjective because if the god changes his mind then the morality also changes.

I certainly can say something is right or wrong, what carries weight is the reasoning behind my saying so and people are free to agree or disagree. I dunno why you think things happen otherwise.

FxMasterz:
Please research about the topic. Slavery does not count as universal morality.

What is universal morality?

Kobojunkie:
Of course not.

As for prayers, I say the Lord's prayer when I pray.

That's the only kind of prayer you say?

Kobojunkie:


I don't do any of what the religious folks do which they term worship and devotion. Worship for me simply means being a law-abiding citizen of the Kingdom of God .I.e. living my life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ 24/7 -- a way of life really.

If by devotion, you mean prayer, then that is also part of the lifestyle. I talk to God whenever I feel like it and I do so where no one can see or hear me.

Do you attend any gatherings of people of similar persuasion?

FxMasterz:
If you don't accept that a God exists, there's no point discussing who's the true God.

Universal morality is not based on religion, culture or traditions. I believe you're pretending not to understand. What has the subject to do with multiplicity of gods or religions or the lack of ir? Humans generally know certain things are right or wrong without recourse to any written law. That's what we're talking about.

The same universal morality that accepted slavery at some point then said slavery was bad at another?

Steep:
you are only speaking from your world view as an atheist.
In your world view society determines what is right and wrong.

That means if society says rape is good it means it is good.
If society says slavery is right slavery is right So those that fought against slavery were morally bankrupt simply because society considers slavery morally right according to atheist world vie

Wrong. That's what you are saying. You wrote it very clearly if your god says something is good then it is good.

You asked for the basis of my morality and I gave it, it has nothing to do with what society says.

Your so called objective morality DOESN'T exist since all morality is subjective. In your case you think your morality is based on what your god says which is in itself subjective.

Kobojunkie:
none .

You don't practice any form of worship and devotion?

Steep:
Know you do not know what you are saying honestly?
A theif steals does not mean stealing is good, that North Korean say people don't have right to life does not make it good.

You said right to life is universal and I just gave you a place where right to life doesn't apply so how is it universal. It's you who does understand what she is saying.

Steep:
Do you know what the meaning of universal mean.
Right to life for example is universal, so when you try to or take the life of another person then you lose your right to life.
So self difference is not subjective.

I know the meaning but you do not. Right to life is not universal. Go to North Korea you'll know that right to life is not universal.

What the heck is self difference?

Kobojunkie:
Well, I am not of the religion of Christianity nor do I subscribe to their many meaningless soundbites.

So how do you describe your practice? When filling out forms with a field for Religion what do you put down on it?

Odebayo4010:
This sacrifice was made for sports and it's called “for the love of the game”, if the same is done for God it will be called “craziness and mental slavery”.
Some of us will be crazy and mentally enslaved to God forever 💕

You've never heard of winter sports?

OLAADEGBU:
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— with Dan Lietha - Cartoonist/Illustrator.

At last one thing we can agree on.

They won't take your challenge. Puts them too much in the spotlight.

Super story.

Maynmann:
I don’t even understand by what she means by “objective morality”.
This same woman said killing babies is not bad ITSELF, it’s bad because humans didn’t create it, and because his deity created it killing babies is right, this theists are amazing.

Shooting themselves in the foot. SMH.

FRANCISTOWN:
No wonder these people really want to go to heaven badly.
I think there is something they are not telling us. Shayo go plenty for heaven die. We go just dey drink drink drink quality wine.

Chai! Flesh and blood has not revealed that up there to you.🤣🤣🤣

Bwahahahahaha! By Andromeda you are on to something! LMFAO!

Steep thinks her so called objective morality is a gotcha against atheists. No buddy your so called objective morality doesn't exist, talk more of being superior to something an atheist can come up with. Even some god believers are morally superior to their god since they would not condone issues their god supposedly has no problems with, eg slavery, rape, genocide, etc. How are you advocating for a moral basis you have already superceded. Laughable.

Changed his to her, seems Steep is female.

Steep:
There needs to be one higher than the universal to create laws that is universal.
Murderer can be killed and it will be right.
Juggle justice is wrong because innocent people can become victims.

You are using a word that doesn't mean what you are using it for. All humans have blood, that is a universal statement because there exists no exception to it. You on the other hand are making statements and calling them universal and then trying to retroactively introduce exceptions to them. Get it through your head any rule that has exceptions is not universal. And in the case of moral rule no such universal rules exist, one will always find exceptions which is why moral rules are for and by thinking beings.

FRANCISTOWN:
He's on sedatives, he can't be bothered 🤣

He's on some heaveny blaze. LMAO. Jesus turned water into the best wine, they know how to boogie in heaven. Bwahahahahaha!

Steep:
It is universally wrong to kill babies because you didn't create them.

If there is an exception then it is not universal.

Valar Morghulis. RIP.

Steep:
Lord Reed has ran away

You don't sleep where you come from?

Steep:
A baby is innocent, however I know where you are driving at, that God ordered the killing of innocent babies, in which case you are assuming God exist. If God exist then it is right for him to take back his property if and whenever he pleases because as God he owns all things.
Atheism has no objective basis for right and wrong.

Think of it this way, a father remove his innocent children from a corrupt and evil environment to be with him.

So it is not universally wrong to kill innocent babies according to you.