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Steep:
is murder subjective?

Murder already means unsanctioned killing, you have already passed judegement to say it is wrong. It is like asking if wrong is wrong.

Steep:
So, of a judge sentence a murderer to death it means murder is subjective?

No it means killing is subjective. Murder is a legal term to describe unsanctioned killing.

PoliteActivist:
That's your right. The difference is that in the case of Christians they brought an alternative and people can SEE for themselves that the alternative is better. They see Christians clean and well-dressed when going to worship while native worshippers look unwashed with all sorts of smelly old food and stuff.

Why do you need a god to be clean and well dressed?

Westerhoffe:
You're the dumbo here!
What does the Q stand for if not Queer?

And what does Queer mean?

LGBTQ is against moral standard!!
You can't brainwash me to accept that disgusting immorality.
Good day.

LMAO! You are a real dumbarse. You have all the Internet at your fingertips and you couldn't look up what Queer means. You just relied on your blatant bigotry.

Queer is an umbrella term for people who are not heterosexual or are not cisgender, has nothing do with bestiality.

Stop being a stupid bigot.

jmoore:
Those clowns and atheists have a big gap in their soul. They are only living in denial. Always roaming about in the religious section.

LoLz. Why does it pain you so much though. Bwahahahahaha!

PoliteActivist:
Yet the same Christianity went to Rome and told them that Zeus who helped them conquer the world doesn't exist that the only true power was Christ. They did same in Africa - told them all their gods were powerless. In the end they were proven totally right!

And we go 1 step further and tell you your god doesn't exist as well. Equation balance. LoLz.

McStoic:
Yes...That which the soul bears witness to by the instrument of the scriptures and the word of God is undeniable.

I have had dreams relative to that. I believe it strongly. And any athesis that days otherwise is denying him/herself. Cos even you knows you are more than just a like of flesh. When you knows that you are a spirit being. Go figure

LoLz. Look at the meaning of soon and quickly and tell me how it corresponds with 1990years.

KnownUnknown:
The notion that the god of the Hebrews was against slavery of scaring the Hebrews from slavery is a well worn lie. Apart from the fact that it is the same god “saving” them from the predicament he placed them in, the idea that this god is against slavery is ridiculous. The people who created him weren’t against slavery afterall.
After he saves them from Egypt this is his first instructions:
Passover Restrictions

43 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover meal:

“No foreigner may eat it. 44 Any slave you have bought may eat it after you have circumcised him, 45 but a temporary resident or a hired worker may not eat it.

The dude is more concerned about the Passover mass murder meal than anything else. He is more concerned about the slave’s foreskin than his freedom or dignity.

Many of them become discombobulated once they begin to come up to this part of the Bible. Look at Steep struggling to justify slavery in the name of his God. Disgusting.

Steep:
Israelities could buy slaves from outside Israel which was a form of God's judgment for their wicked ways.
Just as a judge can take a murderers life even though take one's life is objectively wrong.

Can you hear yourself? Now it is on to justifying slavery in the name of your god. Pathetic.

It still makes it INCREDIBLY SUBJECTIVE, you did nothing but make that abundantly clear.

Westerhoffe:
What's natural in bleeping a goat, dog, snake, horse, monkey, babies, anus? You damn silly confused perverts!!

If you were born a hybrid, man and goat, would you be classified a human?

Will you even be here to talk to me?

Are you a dumbo? What has LGBTQ got to do with bleeping a goat, dog, snake, horse, monkey, babies?

Westerhoffe:
Abomination is abomination.
Same sex relationship is immoral.
Condemn what is immoral and stop blaming GOD for your immoralities.

If you read your Bible properly, you will not be stupid enough to fall prey to those false priests, prophets and pastors.

GOD has already warned the world enough about them. But you ignoring GOD'S warning is why you fall prey to them.

Matthew 7 (KJV)
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¹⁵ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
¹⁶ Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
¹⁷ Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
¹⁸ A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
¹⁹ Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
²⁰ Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


Matthew 24 (KJV)
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⁴ And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
⁵ For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

…
¹¹ And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
¹² And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.


So don't be silly.

It is silly people like you who believe natural occurrences are some kid of divine retribution. Meanwhile the same silly people like you are committing all manner of atrocities under the guise of religion.

vdestro:
Only stupid people make unreasonable demands.

What is unreasonable about this demand?

FRANCISTOWN:
You know say na wine sef them dey use for communion. The blood of Jesus na wine

Bwahahahahaha! This guy dey bust my brain o! LMFAO!

budaatum:
I been good. Sun's out so even better. You?

Pretty good thanks.

kingslj:
your creator, infact the universe you live have guiding principles. The fact remains you are born and will someday die...
Karma is sometimes quick

the scientific explanation you gave above.... can scientist create thunder and lighting think about it

What do you mean by create thunder and lightning, you think someone is sitting in the clouds creating them?

Westerhoffe:


I just always love it when GOD decides to stop cases of human madness… it always look natural for the wise to understand while the fools call it, "Natural Phenomenon"!

Look at that!

No fuel, no matches/lighters needed!

Just a lightning and everything goes extinct!!!


GOD is passing a message to the world that abomination is abomination, and perversion, perversion. No matter how much you try to paint it white, it's still what it is.

Somebody shout Alleluia!!!

Ah yes the god overlooked all those churches where the priests and pastors are raping children and other congregants but decided to smite where people love one another and give consent to be in same sex relationships. I guess your god loves rapists and pedophiles.

LMFAO.

I had had been seeing Pat Robertson on TV since I was a kid preaching Jesus is coming soon. Now he is dead and Jesus is not yet here. How is soon synonymous with the entirety of a person's lifetime with no end in sight?

b3llo:
Why is the argument always between Christians and Atheist Is Christianity the only religion in the world? Why is there less argument and comparison between Atheism and Islam?

Because there are less openly exmuslim atheists.

FRANCISTOWN:
I'll take the first phrase from 13 "If I speak In tongue"

Lemme tell you how speaking in tongues came about.

When Jesus turned water to wine, the wine was so good that they got drunk and started speaking incomprehensible language.

Even on the day of pentecost, the apostles were drunk in wine and the people who were there confirmed it, but the bible lied that they were filled with the holy ghost.

Speaking in tongues comes from drinking of wine.

LordReed already said shayo go plenty for heaven, that river of life wey god wan create. Jesus go help boys turn am to wine, e go be parte after parte.
Heaven go sweet die

LMAO! By Andromeda e bi like say you don spy heaven come back. Bwahahahahaha!

budaatum:
Forgive me not saying greetings my Lord. You on my mind and in my heart always.

My dear buda just seeing you here is enough to gladden my heart for I know someone is about to receive some spit, mud and bath in the pool of Siloam. LoLz.

How have you been?

Steep:
Yes God did! However, not directly.

Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.



Leviticus 25:42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.

God told israel they should not deal on slave trade.
Remember both the stranger and the fellow Israelites should be treated the same.

Israelites bought slaves from slave traders to relieve the slaves.

Are you turning to lies or are you just plain ignorant.

Leviticus 25:42
Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves.
Leviticus 25:44
“‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
Leviticus 25:46
You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life,

Very plainly it says it is the Israelites that are not to be sold as slaves while slaves from other nations are to be viewed as property FOR LIFE.

If morality is subjective then everybody is right. You cannot tell anyone that he or she is wrong .
We can only dialogue is there is an objective standard.

Morality is indeed subjective and everyone has the right to choose but if you want to live amongst people then you must acknowledge other people's right to choose too. May be for people like you who want to dictate your god and religious views to other people dialog would seem weird. What is there to dialog when you just tell people what is moral and if they don’t agree with you call them devils. LoLz.

Steep:
You are not making any sense
This doesn't make sense! Exception does not imply subjectivity.

That's exactly what it means. It is you who can't glean sense.

Steep:
You have just shot yourself on your foot! So in modern times prisoners could be taken but refuse to the fact that war captives were actually taken in ancient times?

Huh? This statement makes no sense.

Unelected with no official position or duties but wants to dictate. Na wa for waya.

Steep:
It's the other way round, because morality is objective God works to bring people out of sin.
If morality is subjective then everyone is right and should stay the way they are.

that is because you don't know what objective morality or subjective morality is.

Actually is you who doesn't know what you are talking about. Once you introduce any form exception whether its for era or society you have made it subjective. If it was objective as you say then there'd be nothing like oh it was that time, they couldn't do otherwise. Why couldn't the god tell them stop slavery now, the same god that told them don't eat shell fish but you want us to believe the god couldn't say STOP SLAVERY NOW.

Because morality is subjective we all should be in dialog to find out what is best for us individually and collectively, not imposing dumbarse nonsense from centuries ago in the name of religion or some god.

Steep:
Why not just live them alone why taking them as prisoners?

What do you mean leave them alone? Leave them to continue fighting?

FRANCISTOWN:
I guess they are not motivated by the amount.. I'll make it ₦70k

You could make it 1 billion and they still won't take it. Why would take a bet you know you'll lose.

Steep:
Why take prisoners of war at all?

Do you think all combantants should be killed?

Steep:
companies two completely different cultures and scenarios.
In ancient times wars are often from generation to generations, the wars that the fathers could not win would be continued by the children.

slavery was part of literally every human society sometimes buying slaves an mean saving them from harsh condition eg famine, people do sell themselves into slavery as a survival strategy

From what commanded the israleities on how to treat the strangers, it means slaves in Israel were better treated.

LMAO! Why does it matter what era it is if the morality of it is as you say objective? What bearing does the difference in society have to play in it?

What you aren't getting is you are making it clear that the morality you calling objective is actually subjective. Bwahahahaahaha!

Steep:
whether they are given back or not is not the issue, people do take prisoners of war.
You seem to think the ancient times where like this modern time. Giving back soldiers back to a nation that have sworn to destroy you from generation to generation is not the smartest thing to do

Yet it is being done but if it was people like you POWs would either be killed or be slaves forever. The famous US senator and presidential candidate John McCain was a POW during the Vietnam War. If it was up to you and your god he would have rotted in a Vietnamese gulag because giving him back to the US would not have been smart.

Can you listen to yourself? You are trying to preach a morally superior position that only reveals itself to be so inferior even brutalists think it's dumb.