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KnownUnknown:
Lol, what would you say if or when she drags her pastor and his silly opinions into your marriage?

No way José. I've made it clear I am not doing more than attending church on Sunday. Do your 21day prayer and fasting and your all night and your special programs but leave me out of that shit.

jaephoenix:
Same argument my theist wife gives me. She posits since I'm atheist the devil doesn't bother me, I can't see ghosts and I don't have misfortunes.
I asked her this. You have nightmares, you're afraid of going out by 3am and you see demons. So why isn't your god protecting you but my devil is protecting me?

LoLz. Same here. There's always some demon or witch to fear all the while loudly proclaiming how their god has all the might but ordinary dream has them shaking like a wind blown leaf.

Workch:
There's no evidence for warm holes, you like science fictions

LoLz. You are like the people who thought blackholes were science fiction because no evidence had yet been found. We are talking about possibilities based on scientific theories and here you are shutting your mind to it.

I get the feeling you really closed your mind off even more since you say you dropped atheism. I think that is unfortunate but then if that's how you wanna look at things that's up to you. All I'll do is present the ideas.

Workch:
it's impossible to do that because the matter will even shatter into weightless pieces before attaining that speed. There is also no energy to do it

LoLz. The wormhole doesn't require you to accelerate to lightspeed!

Workch:
there's a mathematical proof that it's not possible for the light problem just same as the one you showed me for the existence of wormholes.

There's no single probability that the light problem ca be solved. Not 1

LoLz. How is it not? How is transversing billions of light years in an instant not an overcoming of the lightspeed problem?

Workch:
nope, I am saying that they might exisy
But there's no evidence that they do for now

There's a probability for it

Good. Then it is a possibility to overcome the light speed problem.

Workch:
I didn't say wormholes cannot exist, I am that there no evidence that they do.

There's only mathematical proof, blackholes aslo had mathematical proofs before their existence had evidence.

Do you know the difference between no evidence and cannot exist?

So? Are you saying definitely that they don't exist because we have no evidence right now?

Workch:
I can't take someone who thinks evidence for warm holes exist seriously

LMAO! Did you become some how more close minded?

Workch:
I am telling you that these things are impossible, they are as impossible as putting two matter in exact same space.

LoLz. Read this again:

Those 3 things are limitations we don't know now how to overcome, innovative techniques might be developed in the future to overcome them, simple.

Workch:
from your logic, you mean that everything is possible including a human entering and living inside a a thick wall?

Seriously, there are always going to be some things that will never be possible. There's no way you are going to ever share a space with another matter, you either leave the matter in its space or replace the space the matter left.

Where did I say that or imply that? You mentioned 3 specific things and instead of staying on topic you move to something else, later you'll say I moved the goalposts. LoLz.

Those 3 things are limitations we don't know now how to overcome, innovative techniques might be developed in the future to overcome them, simple.

Workch:
Are you saying that it's possible for us to do an infinite amount of work or use infinite amount of energy?

Or for us to see beyond space-time?

Nope, I am saying we don't know how to do them doesn't mean there isn't a way to overcome the limitations. For example one possible way to overcome the FTL problem would be to be to fold space or create wormholes. There maybe a myriad of possibilities we don't know at the moment.

Workch:
It's the sad reality, no one will ever be able to know if God exist or not because it's scientifically impossible

Some few things are impossible in life and science, examples are

1. Attaining absolute zero temperate.
2. An object with mass traveling at the speed of light
3. Look back in time to see what happened before big bang.

No 3 is why we can never know if God exist or not, in science, there's nothing like "before big bang" because time doesn't exist before big ban hence we cannot decipher anything in that realm. There's no mathematical prove to do that, it's simple impossible. Light also didn't exist before big bang, so we cannot see anything within the singularity.

No 2 requires that we create an infinite amount of energy to move such object. It's not possible, the universe doesn't have that amount of energy. The energy in the universe is quantifiable and conserved.


No1 The reason has to do with the amount of work necessary to remove heat from a substance, which increases substantially the colder you try to go. To reach zero kelvins, you would require an infinite amount of work.


Humans will never know if God exist or not. It's as simple as that. This is specifically why I don't know if a god exist or not. I don't believe or disbelieve it

This is why science does even attempt to disprove or prove God. It's impossible, it's not what science or any person can do. Any scientist trying to do it will do it with his personal funds and not research funds.


jaephoenix KnownUnknown LordReed

I agree that we don't know how to do any of these 3 things but I don't agree that they are impossible. Our current limited knowledge of those subjects does not preclude the possibility of knowing them in the future. Same with the god question, that we have never seen a god or gods doesn't mean one couldn't exist or existed.

Trollronaldo:
you have been the person rigmaroling and running away from the point

My conversation with you is done. LoLz.

Workch:
lol 😂

The only time I see atheist runway from debates it's when an agnostic is there.

LoLz! Good for you!

lymelyte:
inorder words,they are both the prisoner and prison guard

Solid analogy and sadly true.

jaephoenix:
What are the flaws in atheism

Get ready for a rollercoaster rigmarole. LoLz.

Trollronaldo:
Seriously, you can't tell if you don't know the exact tone.

I jusy want you to see that you are seriously portraying those attributes a typical theist will portray if an argument is straining him so much

You are free to think so. LoLz.

Trollronaldo:
we are not fighting.

WIth your previous response one would think we were.

Workch:
nope, I don't. It's why I left atheism. I lost

I Just want to know the truth

Like I said good for you. Do that and stop trying to make people identify the way you like.

Workch:
LordReed, you guys should tell your militant to stop harrasing me with unintelligent replies 😂😂😂

I thought you like to win arguments? LMFAO!

Ensquare:
don't start what you will be unable to finish

I should be saying that to you.

Trollronaldo:
So you reason like a typical theist after all, just from another angle

LoLz! Right. Go on then our conversation is done.

Workch:
I know, you are now sounding a like theist who says "how I give my tithe is not your business"

LoLz! Dude, I don't give a shit what you feel about me. I don't interfere with how people want to identify themselves and I expect same from others with how I choose to identify myself. It's not your business to police people's identity.

Workch:
the atheist in it is wrong.
It means that you are rejecting it without first disproving it.

Just leave it at agnostic else, na fallacy my guy.

LoLz! You do you bro but you don't get to decide how I identify myself capise?

Workch:
Trust me, you don't usually shy away from an argument you know that you can win.

You know that you cannot win the deistic argument and you have realized that. With time, you Wil accept Agnosticism. It's a matter of time before you know.

Agnosticism is the best approach for someone who's considering all possibilities.

LoLz. I already told you I am an agnostic atheist did you forget?

LoLz @ cannot win the deistic argument. What exactly is there to win or loose? You make me laugh. Bwahahahahaha!

Workch:
I know you are smart, sincerely.
I know you will think about this topic carefully after this.


It's not easy to accept that one is wrong, it wasnt easy for me as well to accept that my atheistic ideas were wrong. It took time, no be one day thing

Good for you! LoLz.

Workch:
Lol, LordReed my guy.

There's nothing wrong in being wrong. Think about it.

That guy properly followed you everywhere you were running to in thr argument. You know that he will nail you patapata if you engage in the deism debate.

LoLz. Like I said in my last response to you, you have quite a bit to learn about me.

Workch:
The thing is,

Deism and atheism are superior to religious theism.

Deism and atheism falls flat in the face of Agnosticism.

Agnosticism will use each of them against each other to edge both.

LoLz! You think I care what you think is the superior position? Dude you have some things to learn about me.

Workch:
Why do think theists that are fighting cognitive dissonance avoid religious discussions with atheists?

😂

Right. Anybody who doesn't want to discuss with you has cognitive dissonance. LMFAO!

Trollronaldo:
Before we proceed, what's your issue exactly, so I can address it properly.

Now my argument is, Atheism is equally as fallacious as deism because deism is not required to provide evidence for their claims, atheist can disprove it before rejecting it. It's how science works.


What issue do you have with that argument exactly?

This is the 3rd time you asked this question go look at my previous answer it hasn't changed.

Workch:
I see you portraying cognitive dissonance now.

If not then why running from a deistic argument if it's not superior to yours?

What part of I AM NOT INTERESTED is giving you a problem to understand?

Workch:
I have gone through the thread, I think you have been shifting the goalpost a lot.

When he answers this, you leave it and create another one.

Try to exhaust his points, when he addresses one, agree with it before moving to another.

Huh? You have to be kidding me. I should address deist claptrap I am not interested in? Guy, go address that if you wish, I am not interested. LoLz.