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jesusjnr2020:
How did you know they didn't have the story? Did you see them yourself?

That's not the question before us. You have never seen any of the manuscripts either so we are in the same boat. We are both looking at what has been presented to us as fact, the older manuscripts of the book of John do not have a particular story, the later ones do. My explanation is the story was an addition. What is your explanation?

jesusjnr2020:
So you weren't there when it happened, yet you easily believed what those so-called Christian scholars said was a fact, yet you're accusing me of doing the same thing you're guilty of. Isn't that hypocrisy or are you saying there aren't Christian scholars who attest to the contrary?

Perhaps facts now mean anything Christian scholars say that discredits what the Bible or Gospels say, not that which supports it, because you never believe anything else they said is a fact, except that the story of the adulterous woman was not in the original manuscript. Or is there anything else?

LoLz. Just explain why the older manuscripts didn't have the story.

Steep:
you are going round in circles again. When you go through school you start from the first level right? After finishing the whole level do you still repeat the process again? Or you can as well ask why not walk into the university and collect a BSc certificate from the beginning instead of going through thus whole process.

The Sons of God are going through a process, once the process is complete, everything would be changed.

LoLz! The process of billions of people enduring suffering over the course of thousands of years? Is that the process you are referring to?

Dtruthspeaker:
This is not true. Every thing living in this world is based on land

Therefore the atheists base is on the ground of Natural Rights to say rubbish.

How can the the thing living in water be based on land? LoLz.

Lighthouse50:
Amputee finger bla bla bla.. I only said miracles are real and done by true christians (saints).

LoLz. What I wrote is still there and you can't even quote it accurately? I only asked you questions so I dunno what you think I said.

Steep:
It means things would be different.

Then it doesn't matter, the god could have done all that at the beginning.

triplechoice:
But we are talking of the possibility of AI's evolving on their own to confirm if life happened by chance from matter.

When we get involved directly in the process, what can we say then? chance or deliberate creation of something?

And no matter what you say about a simulated time, AI's becoming sentient can only happen in real time.

Well I didn't specify that it must evolve on its own.

No, AI becoming sentient won't happen in real time because it's own subjective time is variable. It can be speed up , slowed down, halted, made to match real time or any permutation thereof. You can see it in season 4 when the Bernard host runs millions of simulations with a real time equivalent of thousands of years within a few years.

triplechoice:
You talk here as if you're sure of how AI evolution would happen.

If AI evolution will not follow biological evolution ,then what gives you the certainty that it would happen the way you think?

I don't know what path or conditions will bring it about but I am certain it won't follow biological evolution simply because it is not biological. You seem to want to insist that it must be exactly like a biological organism when it clearly isn't.

Steep:
yes They can make a choice but not choices like before. In the new creation the order of things would be different.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

"not choices like before" what does this mean?

stanvesco:
Wiring would be out of it for now.


Imagine placing it In hostel and attempting to charge students a little fee per usage? You understand the direction I am going??

2000 for a fair usage would sell very fast in naija. I want to key in early enough bfor the market becomes saturated.

Yeah this scenario would be far better, you can easily manage it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Any where God kept them to be.

And where is that?

DeepSight:
Beautiful.
Lordreed.... pls I hope what he said about cats talking is not lost on you....

I really don't see what it has to do with it honestly. AI evolution will not follow biological evolution especially in time scale.

triplechoice:
But it's the story teller that has created the much faster subjective time in the show .

Evolution in AI's should happen independently if not, we are creating something and no longer observing it evolve on their own.

Ehh, how does making something evolve mean it didn't evolve?

I told you right now we can increase simulation time in our current day computers, it's not merely a storytelling device.

DeepSight:
Oh... You use the phrase "real time". . . .
Didnt you once question me about this

Yeah to distinguish between the time within the simulations as the one humans experience.

I can't recall if I did.

Lighthouse50:
I never said that. You did

Said what?

Steep:
I asked "which choice", instead of playing hide and seek why don't you answer it.

LoLz. you are the one playing hide and seek. You asked:

Steep:
make a choice about what?

Does this look like you asked, "which choice"?

And still you haven't answered the simple question, will these transformed have the ability make a choice in the heaven?

Dtruthspeaker:
Who told you He does not have such people in the first place?

And now He is doing a different thing. Promotion and demotion things which ever apply

Where are such people?

triplechoice:
Yea. I know about the show and also understand what in the sciences that has inspired it.

It's hoped that in the future AI's may suddenly become sentient or develop their own form of consciousness that would make it possible for an independent existence of their own.

My response to such vision is that it won't see the light of day. It can only happen when cats suddenly start to talk .

What happened in that show can never happen in real life because consciousness evolves ,not at once ,but with time.

It would be a negation of one of the principles of evolution if AI's suddenly become sentient as we saw in Westworld.

The best we can hope for in real life would be AI's that would replicate human behaviour so perfectly well that we may struggle to see any difference between them and a real human being.

Those futuristic AI's, when they become possible, will never be sentient no matter the level of technology used in their production.

But the show made it somewhat clear that the subjective time of the AI can be much faster than real time. Even with our present day computers we can cause simulations to run at much more than real time. Meaning their evolution won't be as constrained by real time as ours was.

OLAADEGBU:
If you can't explain it in your own words then it's not worth it wasting my time chasing shadows down rabbit holes.

LoLz. Oh now you want someone to explain it. Remember how you tell me to not be lazy and read, right back at ya. Bwahahahahaha!

stanvesco:
Hey bro....
How do people access this ?


For example if I place one in my street. Will it be possible to share amongst 100flats in the same streets?? Wit different passwords?



Can you also attest to the 50-250mbps that the claim?
I am seriously seeking for the business part of this now.


Thank you

Yes you can share it but 100 people might be too much. You'd either deploy a mesh type wifi or have them use fixed outdoor access points or wire it directly to them.

myspace:
Unreliable internet has always been an issue for me in Lagos. The best Internet Service Providers use Fibre Optics but have very limited coverage areas. So when I heard Starlink would be rolling out their Low Orbit internet service in Africa, It Immediately piqued my Interest.

I made a preorder for the service in May of 2021 with a refundable deposit of $99. I did this due to the projected rollout of the service by the end of 2021. I did not get any update from Starlink until early december of 2022. I was told to pay up a balance of $501 so my exquipment would be shipped.

8 days after making full payment, my Starlink Equipment was delivered to me by DHL. It is a plug and play device that is easy to install by following very simple steps on the manual. I mounted the dish on my compound, at a postion with good sky visibility and the device connected to an available Satellite within a few minutes.

My Internet experience is now the best I have ever had it, here in Nigeria.

Total cost of Equipment $600
Monthly Subscription for Unlimited Internet $43


God Bless Elon Musk
God Bless SpaceX/Starlink
God Bless Nigeria



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orUl06DfAjw

Nice! I was contemplating but the uncertainty meant tying up money I could use for something else. Now that I know they are delivering gonna arrange for it.

OLAADEGBU:
How did they resolve the issue?

Really? You can't read it for yourself?

Steep:
you are being disingenuous, which "particular choice" I asked? You said any choice. This is an ambiguous answer.

Lolz quote where you asked which "particular choice".

Lighthouse50:
Faith is one thing that struggles to defeat the flesh coupled with this decayed generation. Even when the world was still easy, peter told Christ to help his faith.

The story doesn't even say Jesus restored an amputees limb so I dunno how you reasoning this thing.

OLAADEGBU:
Soft Tissue Discovered In "50 Million" Year Old Lizard...

In 2011, soft tissue was recovered from a lizard in the Green River Formation which dates to 50 to 70 million years old on the evolution timescale. Scientists don't even call it a fossil because it's soft tissue.

How could soft tissue exist if this animal lived "50-70 million years ago" according to evolutionists?

The answer is, it couldn't. This sample along with many others, casts serious doubt on the possibility of millions of years of evolution. Not to mention, the lizard appears to be a lizard that we have around today. No evolution seems to have occurred in "50-70 million years"!

https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/bones/more-soft-tissue-in-old-fossils/

Source

They even quoted from the source that resolved the issue
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2011.0135
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41315061

Steep:
Nobody can make a choice about everything, for example you don't choose who your parents will be neither your colour or height. Nobody makes absolute choice. The power of absolute choice only lies with God and he determines what and what we make choice from.

Stop being obtuse, we are talking about making any sort of choice and you are talking as if I asked if they can choose to be rainbow unicorns. Simple question can they make any sort of choice, you are dancing around it.

Steep:
make a choice about what?

About anything.

Steep:
They would be grateful to God they made the right choice in the first place. Important choice to be with God is only made once. That is why those in hell would remain there forever even though they want a second chance.

According to you the angels were already in the heaven when they made the choice so the location or the nature is irrelevant. You didn't answer the question, can these transformed people make a choice?

So these transformed people in heaven can't make a choice?

Steep:
No,everyone must make a choice.
God gives everyone the freedom to make this important choice.
The angels were given this opportunity some rebelled against God others chose to continue with God, those ones that rebelled became devils while those that remained are called elect angels.

Steep:
those who go to heaven are already transformed. There is no assaulting or any other type of sin.

So why didn't the god just create such people in the first place?

PoliteActivist:
Quite embarrassing, watching an intelligent guy make a fool of himself!
Perfectly illustrates my thesis - things are not always what they seem. I may not even be in the same continent with the guy!
Well, YOU'VE LEARNT YOUR LESSON. Next time you'll be more circumspect!
Bye bye!

LMFAO!

PoliteActivist:
I'm amused people don't know they have signature ways of writing. It is like trying to disguise your voice

traihit:
You should leave these guys alone. Like I said in a similar thread, most Christians including me, don't have time for people like this anymore.

Let them keep living their own reality. If they accept, fine. If not, they're on their own.

He's worried that miracles might be true. He wouldn't want to bring himself to accept that. He has to bring up logical arguments to support his view. Then he comes to Nairaland to prove that his point had been correct all along.

I don't serve God to prove a point to anyone. I no longer serve God to avoid going to hell. I serve God because he fulfils the yearnings of my heart. I serve God because I find completeness in him. You can't convince someone into these experiences, you can only pray they experience it.

LoLz. The Bible literally enjoins the opposite but that's the thing about religion, you can make up any story you like and call it divinely sanctioned.