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Carcholce:
Lol. Maybe science is actually a mombojumbo with refined and sophisticated languages by the discerning minds and for the discerning minds. True?

Nope. Science is just how we describe the universe around us, no mumbo-jumbo involved. It is when you start trying to make into some kind of metaphysical or mystical conception that it transforms into mumbo-jumbo. For instance, the universe expanding and the rate of expansion is objective and is not attributable to any individuals subjective perspective, attempting to make it so is mumbo-jumbo.

Dtruthspeaker:
Satan must always come to destroy. Your conclusion is not just nonsensical, but your report is also a Lie!

We know Truths and we know what is normal and what is abnormal and that Great Powers move to cause these abnormals to happen.

So, Satan as usual, you are just here to see that God is not glorified.

LoLz! I am not like you that requires fables and dumbass analogies to make a point. When you are ready come meet me lemme show you my bank statement. Bwahahahahaha!

Recently I needed a huge sum of money to pay for something and one day someone called me and said they were sending me the money I needed. I had not call to tell this person my needs at all. Therefore there is no god.

My conclusion is just as nonsense as OP's conclusion. You cannot make conclusions about an unseen/"unseeable" god just because of a fortunate event.

LoLz! It's always fun to see someone turn science into some mumbojumbo speak.

AntiChristian:
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 40 – 41 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

In the book of Exodus 20 verse 13, God ordered:
"Thou shall not KILL"

It is preposterous to believe that God who asked us not to kill would decide to give us salvation only if we kill Jesus.

*If everyone wants to keep God's commandment and the supposed executioners of Jesus also decided not to kill, who would kill Jesus? Would Jesus then commit suicide in a bid to save people from their sins?

*Why must God be so pleased when some group of people disobey him by killing someone so he would be able to save and grant us salvation, not even anyone but his supposed only begotten son?

*Since God is powerful, loving, and merciful, why not just have compassion on us without a bloody sacrifice?
*No one has done Christians much good as Judas. If there was no Judas, Jesus would not be arrested, if not arrested, he would not be crucified, if not crucified, Christians would not have salvation (in their illusion), why then do Christians not name their children Judas?

Finally, we read in Matthew 12:31:
"Wherefore I (Jesus) say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the holy ghost shall not be forgiven unto men"

Now, If Jesus a supposed perfect master died for the sins of humanity but it does not cover any sin against the holy spirit, then the sacrifice of Jesus is not perfect.

* How could Jesus a supposed perfect master carry out an imperfect sacrifice masterminded by a perfect creator?

*Jesus is said to be the lamb of God, he was said to have sacrificed himself on the cross around age 33, what do you call a 33-year-old lamb?Make no mistake, Jesus was sent only to the people of Israel, he didn't die for the sins of humanity and he never even died. God willing, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God is coming back.

Buy "Truth For The Truth Seekers" on Amazon

Now if only you would see the flaws in your own religious stories.

JASONjnr:
Lol.....

There's a difference between judging and attacking...

Moreso, I wasn't attacking you ..I only dared you to go out to the core North and walk around the streets telling them that there's no Allah and let's see if truly you're a good atheist. And i made that clear because you atheists always find away to bring Christianity into your arguments. All I want is for you guys to always stay away from Christianity and be fighting other religions...Christianity is not your problem.

Also, there's nothing like "intelligentcy"....Infact, just go back to school...You're a mess and beyond correction.

What gave you the impression that a "good atheist" needs to go about telling people their god doesn't exist?

Plot hole!

Honchoslim16:
There's nothing African about Africans and Africa.
We live in a society not built by our own kind...that's why we worship other people gods and speak others language.


Can Africa still find its back to its roots?

I think it's too late for that because we never developed ourselves into the trust of global development unlike other thriving cultures like those of the Indians or the Chinese. The best we can do is manage a hybridisation that is heavily tilted to western influence.

HisSplendor:
Nothing special.

Be inquisitive and open minded enough to explore all worlds.

What worlds? And explore how?

Dtruthspeaker:
Shut that rubbish we all see and know how anti-Godism is being broadcasted and screamed into the souls of people and stupid people are buying that shyt.

Give 5 examples.

HisSplendor:
You don't need to believe anything.

All you need to do is to employ the right tools in researching the information.

Scientists didn't believe the world is a sphere until they got the right tools to verify the claim. Did their unbelief stop the world from being a sphere?

Using logic to undertake spiritual research is like using the naked eye to find microbes in the air.

Great. So tell me what the right tools are since you say belief is not required.

OLAADEGBU:
Evolution is a Lie!

LMFAO!

Mary Schweitzer accepts evolution and that the earth is billions of years old.

If you believe 24/7 creation is really the only interpretation possible and ignore tons of evidence that the earth is billions of years old and that life was a simple construct that got way more complex over time, that’s fine—we may be wrong about the science (I don’t think we are, but as a scientist I have to leave that minute possibility open). I think that parents need to tell their kids that there are a lot of REASONS scientists say what they do, and virtually NONE of those reasons are to disprove God’s existence. That doesn’t enter in. I’ve had lots of students come into my office in tears over the years, saying, “I don’t understand…” The thing is, if you go with the scientific evidence and it turns out to be wrong, I don’t think God is going to punish you for that; God made us curious people. I believe we should step back a little bit and consider other views equally—anything less is doing God and your child a disservice.

https://biologos.org/articles/not-so-dry-bones-an-interview-with-mary-schweitzer

HisSplendor:
They've left here. That's why they're called dead. The body is a very temporal house we live in. Everything here is an illusion.

I have no reason to believe that.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is atheism not also forcing and conditioning you with the same social pressure?

You are just a follow-follow, following the noisemakers!

So when your living becomes more miserable than before, remember, you killed yourrelf and atheism placed the stone over your dying soul.

Who is socially pressurising you to be an atheist?

OLAADEGBU:
THE SIKORSKY HELICOPTER WAS MODELLED AFTER THE DRAGONFLY..

The wings of the dragonfly cannot be folded back on its body. In addition, the way in which the muscles for flight are used in the motion of the wings differs from the rest of insects. Because of these properties, evolutionists claim that dragonflies are "primitive insects."

Sikorsky helicopters were designed in imitation of the flawless design and maneuver ability of a dragonfly.

In contrast, the flight system of these so-called "primitive insects" is nothing less than a wonder of design. The world's leading helicopter manufacturer, Sikorsky, finished the design of one of their helicopters by taking the dragonfly as a model.6 IBM, which assisted Sikorsky in this project, started by putting a model of a dragonfly in a computer (IBM 3081). Two thousand special renderings were done on computer in the light of the manoeuvres of the dragonfly in air. Therefore, Sikorsky’s model for transporting personnel and artillery was built upon examples derived from dragonflies.

INTELLIGENCE CREATED THE DRAGONFLY.

ONLY GOD, THE BEST DESIGNER!

Source

So flawless they ditched this particular design. LMAO!

OLAADEGBU:
THE WHOLE WORLD IS COVERED WITH FOSSILS AND REMAINS FROM A WORLD-WIDE FLOOD!

Fossils require water to BECOME fossils. The whole earth has fossils, and some areas are covered so thick with fossils that it was clearly not random floods here and there, but one BIG catastrophic flood.

Look at how many fossilized fish we have, and remains of all different kinds of animals washed together. We see what was remains of violent catastrophic flood.

We have giant fossilized clams UNOPENED on mountain tops. MOUNTAIN TOPS! Those mountains were created during the Earth's upheaval. Also, clams open when they die. They didn't even have a chance to open up! From this, we know those mountains were formed at the time of the flood, NOT gradually over millions of years.

We have polystyrate tree fossils. Those are whole fossilized trees going upwards through sediment rock which evolution scientists will tell you had to be laid down over millions of years. One tree going upward through these layers disproves millions of years. We have these particular fossils all over the globe.

Lastly, we have mammoth mummified remains covering the Siberian permafrost pointing to a quick post-flood death. After the flood, the Earth would have cooled down significantly, and ice and dust storms are theorized to have pushed the mammoths to extinction along with many other animals we find mummified in ice. Mammoths were not snow dwellers as tv shows and movies portray. They ate plants that didn't even grow in a cold climate. They weren't made to live in that environment either. They actually lived in a warm, tropical environment. Clearly, mammoths and other mummified animals found in Siberia were POST-flood, but still wanted to address this to clear up confusion on why they are significant to the flood.

Source

And the fossils are not in the same strata nor are they of the same age. Wonderful nonsense. LMAO!

OLAADEGBU:
THE AMAZING BOWERBIRDS OF NEW GUINEA...

Named after the bowers (huts) they build to attract mates, this species of bird has an eye for the ladies AND for design. These bowers are constructed of sticks, stood umbrella fashion around a center support pole. They are usually built on green moss right on the ground. Most bowers are around two and one-half feet tall and six feet in diameter. They are so well built by the birds that they are waterproof. One construction is complete, the birds set out to decorate the inside of the home and front yard with anything it can find... Dead bugs, leaves,butterfly wings, and even trash.The same-colored items are always stacked together, and decorations are moved and replaced daily. All in hopes of catching the eye of a mate It reminds us that as our designer, God with His sense of beauty, created us with a sense of what is beautiful and we share this with other parts of creation. Just look at the world around us!

Source

Such a wonderful designer!

OLAADEGBU:
Lee Strobel, Former Atheist

Source

LoLz! Nothing about atheism says you need to believe any of this rubbish. Bwahahahahaha!

HisSplendor:
The only reason you see this as reality is that the land of the dead is a land of no return. It is also a land belonging to the unseen realm.
However, when you listen to the words of dieing old men, or those who have had a near death experience, you'll be instructed.

When I can hear or see dead people relate their experience then I will have cause to think so.

HISSCRIBE1995:
Well received .

What evidence are you talking about ?

Can you provide evidence for the non existence of God ?

Evidence that indicates that your god exists unequivocally.

Which god? Identify the god.

HisSplendor:
While I can draw a parrallel, you may not be able to do the same.

That dead people have no experience in the afterlife isn't a statement of fact. That's hypothetical.

The mistake you make is thinking that the universe is made up of only the logical realm. The logical realm is insignificant in the scheme of things. While the unseen realm is the Real Realm. The logical realm is just an illusion.

No you can't. You are trying desperately but you are not succeeding.

LoLz! It's not hypothetical there is no evidence of that.

The only realm I know is reality and in this reality dead people are dead.

Exmilitant:
It was pleasant having this mature Convo with you.

I am Catholic Christian who hope to spend eternity with Christ Almighty someday.

Yeah it was nice.

Wish you all the best.

Exmilitant:
Got it. You don't at anytime brood over the dead, What awaits us on the other side?

Not anymore since I stopped believing that the dead are not simply dead.

Davidtalo1:
That's also true. Now that you've mentioned it I've been doing some thinking though on how one's forced and conditioned to believe what others are believing because it's common to do so.
Could it be out of social pressure?

Not so much as social pressure as social conditioning. The family and society you are born into shapes a lot about what you tend to believe, for instance I was born to an active believer in Christianity in a predominantly Christian society while someone in India could be born at the same time and date as me to active belivers in Hinduism, thus I became a Christian while that person became a Hindu. It is very unlikely that I initially would have become a Hindu since nothing in my environment would have exposed me to that belief system meanwhile my parents and the society presented Christian as true and others as false so I operated under that impression for most my life until I took a hard look at it. That is the other thing society does to help maintain belief, it tends to try to stifle critical inquisition into belief systems it holds dear even to it's own detriment.

Exmilitant:
please do. But I am wondering what you mean by, "best life now."

In a nutshell it is doing my best to be good to myself and others.

Exmilitant:
those were questions I asked before I settled for the answers proffered by religion.

Personally, I must confessed that I look forward to a better life in another plane.

Well good for you then. I am going to try to live my best life now.

JASONjnr:
It's always their hatred for Christianity....


I've always wanted to dare an atheist...A true one..To go to the North, near a mosque and proclaim his disbelieve openly there....Tell the people that there's no God or Allah...

Just try it....I'd love to see something...

Seun, I dare you particularly...

Modify

Lol...See All of them quoting me and wailing as usual...

Point is, they're scared of getting killed....

But I want the people that knows how to cut neck to send you to go meet their Allah with lots of virgins, so you'd believe that there is a life after here....

By then, you must have been rotting in hell...

Of course we don't want to be killed, do you?

Exmilitant:
I didn't say I wasn't satisfied. I am comfortable with the promises of God in the Bible that a paradisaic condition awaits all good men after death.

But you did when you said this: what next after, houses, money in the bank, wives/girlfriends in short, after achieving all that money can get what next? Is this life all there is? This is a mark of dissatisfaction, after living a full life you are still looking for more. What is a hope for paradisaic condition awaiting you if not your desire for more. Live your life now instead of waiting for another.

Exmilitant:
I am not talking to you as a needy at least the street paid and is paying handsomely but what next after, houses, money in the bank, wives/girlfriends in short, after achieving all that money can get what next? Is this life all there is?
Since there is no satisfying answers from acclaimed experts and scientists, I concluded that religion's answer appears sooting.

That's what I am saying why are you bothered about after? Why do you seem to want to live forever? Can't you see that you are already expressing boredom with life, I mean you are saying after living a full life you still want more. That seems like greed if you ask me. Why can't you be satisfied with your single lifetime?

HisSplendor:
I think the problem here is that you're unable to draw a parralell between the story and the argument.

As I've said before, the journey they took symbolizes death. That's as far as the story goes. Are we limited to just the story even when reality offers more incidences?

Actually the problem is you can't draw the parallels you seem to want to draw between reality and the story. Dead people as far as we can tell have no experience they can relay despite the vast number of people who have died. An estimate I saw says about 110billion people have died yet not a single confirmable experience of any sort of afterlife, it is beyond logical to think there is one. If you want to believe there is an afterlife you are certainly welcome but don't imagine you really have a logical basis for that belief cos you don't, no matter how hard you try to shoehorn hypothetical stories.

Exmilitant:
At least the hope. The faith. The conviction that there is some respite, some light at the end of the tunnel can serve for now.

Hope is good but I think it is only useful for the living, the dead are dead. It is good to hope that things turn out better but I think it is useless to postpone your hope to after death. Pursue your life as vigorously as you can, death comes for us all.

Davidtalo1:
Good evening folks, this is directed to atheists here. What made you to stop believing in God or what are the circumstances that led to that?
I'll tell mine later in the thread but for now I'm eager to hear from you guys. Thanks

I did an objective comparison between reality and my beliefs, I realised that if I wasn't already biased to believe a specific set of beliefs, I would have no real reason to believe.