Now this is a proper argument from ignorance, we don't know how life stated therefore mind is not connected to matter. This is totally fallacious, mind has been almost conclusively shown to be inextricably tied to matter even if we don't know how life started.
Also not knowing how life started from dead matter doesn't mean we we can't see how life continues to propagate from dead matter. You don't eat living matter for instance, you eat dead matter and it aids in your survival and ability to replicate so to claim that our ignorance of the beginning of life precludes us from noting that life is natural process is very much fallacious.
That mind as an emergent property of matter clearly shows how dead matter can have properties that the individual matter particles do not. I previously made example from the property of water we call wetness which is not a property of the individual molecules of water but of the interactions of the molecules of water themselves, giving rise to a property that the individuals don't have. Same with life and mind, there are many interactions that take place to give rise to life and mind so there isn't any place to isolate life or mind. To be clear it is not every interaction in the body that gives rise to life and mind and we do not know at exactly what threshold those interactions combine to activate those functions but we have a pretty good idea. For instance we know that if there is loss of blood to the brain for certain periods you'll either get a damaged brain/damaged person or death. All of these thoroughly indicate that there is no separating of life and mind from the physical.
@DeepSight response to DP3: The Chicken & Egg Problem
This point is kinda funny, it is similar to claiming that a house has to be built instantaneously whole or else you can't build a house. One only has to look at how a house is built to see that the work in progress is way different from the finished outcome. You are basically saying to me that the foundations and skeletal framework that will support the finished outcome cannot come before the building is finished.
The things that provide the basis for our more advanced intellectual concepts by necessity started as very primitive concepts. Our written history is a literal documentation of our progress from the primitive to the sophisticated. Saying that evolution would limit us to primitive concepts seems to me to suggest that you completely miss the point even as you are looking at it. Evolution moved us from primitive form to our present day form and you seem to think we should have stuck with the primitive concepts we started with. Are you not seeing that you are contradicting yourself or else you'd also be asking why didn't we stay with our primitive forms. Just as our bodies evolved our thoughts and concepts also evolved.
@DeepSight response to DP2: Evolutionary imperatives
I am not sure why you think evolution has no explanation of the origin of consciousness. There are many scientific papers detailing the answer to that but the summary of it is what I have been harping on already, it is an emergent property which means there was a build up to this current state of consciousness we see in humans.
We can see this build up in other animals that do not yet have our level of consciousness. Take the dolphin, apes and dogs for example. Apes and dolphins express more of what we think of as consciousness than dogs do. An ape can recognise itself in a mirror but a dog can't, this is because their brains have obviously developed in different ways so that while they are both mammals and capable of even understanding human language to a certain extent, their levels of consciousness is quite different.
I have before invited you to present evidence that mind is separate from the physical body, you are yet to present any.
@DeepSight, below is my response to your 1st point of discussion: Discussion Point One (DP1): "The Person"
The impression I get is that you are intent on treating my submissions as though I am a strict materialist, this is a strawman you are responding to in effect and means you are missing my points and arguing something else.
Recall that I said man is both the mental and physical aspects of his being so how then do you say things like "identity of a human person is not to be found in his body" as though I said man is only his body?
As for the seat of consciousness, there is no such thing since mind is an emergent property. It is like someone trying to isolate the wetness of water, that is an incoherent task that can never be achieved. Wetness is an emergent property of water that arises due to its physical nature. Mind is similar, there is no particular thing called mind so there is no seat for it. Mind arises by physical things functioning yet itself is not physical.
Identity is another non-physical aspect. It is a mental construct we use as placeholders for things. Take the ship of Theseus, it is changed part by part yet it is still the ship of Theseus because the identity is separate from the physical aspects of the ship and that identity is held in a non-physical "realm" so that even when all the parts have changed it is still the ship of Theseus. Let's relate that to a human being. If all your limbs and organs (except your brain cos that will be problematic) get replaced successively such that you eventually have a new body your identity will remain somewhat intact because you will still refer to yourself as you. I say somewhat because you will most likely acknowledge the change and use qualifiers like "new" or "improved" so new you or improved you. This is because your identity is non-physical and that part has not been touched. This is can be seen in trans people. They may change their bodies but their identity construct remain intact. In fact most of them make the changes because their identity construct and their biological bodies are in conflict and they resolve it by making the change.
The world is beginning to fight back the COVID-19 domination and deprivation of medical rights of global citizens. The protest of the vaccine mandate and the conditioning of the human race on the surface of the earth to the dictates of an emergent global oligarchy has moved from mass action to intellectual disputes and stretching to legal battle with world leaders. World citizens are moving the struggle away from domestic political and legal structures within countries dominated by government, the COVID vaccine dictators, to international institutions.
Accordingly, Dr. Reiner Fuellmich is leading a group of over 1,000 lawyers, including over 10,000 medical experts, to commence legal proceedings against the Centre for Disease Control (CDC), World Health Organization (WHO) and the Davos Group, accusing them of crimes against humanity.
They are challenging the simulation of the PCR test to propagate COVID-19 pandemic and threaten the safety of world population. The medical experts and legal practitioners argue that the faulty PCR test and the directive on doctors to identify any comorbidity death as a Covid death is fraud. The medical experts declared that “the PCR test was never designed to detect pathogens and is 100% faulty at 35 cycles.”
According to the group, “all the PCR tests overseen by the CDC are set at 37 to 45 cycles. The CDC admits that any tests over 28 cycles are not admissible for a positive reliable result. This alone invalidates over 90% of the alleged covid cases “infections” tracked by the use of this faulty test.”
Dr. Fuellmich and his group also argued that the flawed tests and fraudulent death certificates, the “experimental” vaccine itself is in violation of Article 32 of the Geneva Convention.
They maintained: “Under Article 32 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV, “mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment of a protected person” are prohibited.”
They highlighted: “according to Article 147, conducting biological experiments on protected persons is a grave breach of the Convention.
“The “experimental” vaccine is in violation of all 10 of the Nuremberg Codes which carry the death penalty for those who seek to violate these International Laws.”
According to the group, the “vaccine” fails to meet the following five requirements to be considered a vaccine and is by definition a medical “experiment” and trial:
Provides immunity to the virus This is a “leaky” gene therapy that does not provide immunity to Covid and claims to reduce symptoms yet double-vaccinated are now 60% of the patients requiring ER or ICU with covid infections.
Protects recipients from getting the virus This gene-therapy does not provide immunity and double-vaccinated can still catch and spread the virus.
Reduces deaths from the virus infection This gene-therapy does not reduce deaths from the infection. Double-Vaccinated infected with Covid have also died.
Reduces circulation of the virus This gene-therapy still permits the spread of the virus as it offers zero immunity to the virus.
Reduces transmission of the virus This gene-therapy still permits the transmission of the virus as it offers zero immunity to the virus.
They maintained that the following violations of the Nuremberg Code are as follows:
Nuremberg Code #1: Voluntary Consent is Essential
No person should be forced to take a medical experiment without informed consent.
The group noted that many media, political and non-medical persons are telling people to take the shot. They offer no information as to the adverse effects or dangers of this gene-therapy. “All you hear from them is – “safe and effective” and “benefits outweigh the risks.”
The group protested that countries are using lockdowns, duress, and threats to force people to take the vaccine or be prohibited to participate in free society under the mandate of a Vaccine Passport or Green Pass. They added that during the Nuremberg trials, even the media was prosecuted and members were put to death for lying to the public, along with many of the doctors and Nazis found guilty of Crimes Against Humanity.
Nuremberg Code #2: Yield fruitful results unprocurable by other means
The group stated that the gene-therapy does not meet the criteria of a vaccine and does not offer immunity to the virus.
According to them, there are other medical treatments that yield fruitful results against Covid such as Ivermectin, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Zinc and boosted immune systems for flu and colds.
Nuremberg Code #3: Base experiments on results of animal experimentation and natural history of disease
The group stated that this gene therapy skipped animal testing and went straight to human trials.
The group highlighted that in mRNA research that Pfizer used – a candidate study on mRNA with rhesus macaques monkeys using BNT162b2 mRNA and in that study all the monkeys developed pulmonary inflammation but the researchers considered the risk low as these were young healthy monkeys from the age of 2-4.
They experts noted that Israel has used Pfizer and the International Court of Law has accepted a claim for 80% of the recipients having pulmonary inflammation from being injected with this gene-therapy. Despite this alarming development Pfizer proceeded to develop their mRNA for Covid without animal testing, the medical experts argued.
Other violation the 1,000 lawyers and 10,000 medical experts listed include:
Nuremberg Code #4: Avoid all unnecessary suffering and injury
They noted that since the rollout of the experiment and listed under the CDC VAERS reporting system, over 4,000 deaths and 50,000 vaccine injuries have been reported in America. They added that in the EU over 7,000 deaths and 365,000 vaccine injuries have been reported. This is a grievous violation of this code, they protested.
Nuremberg Code #5: No experiment to be conducted if there’s reason to think injury or death will occur
They asserted that based on fact-based medical data, this gene-therapy is causing death and injury. According to them, past research on mRNA also shows several risks that have been ignored for this current trial gene-experiment.
They highlighted that a 2002 study on SARS-CoV-1 spike proteins showed they cause inflammation, immunopathology, blood clots, and impede Angiotensin 2 expression. This experiment forces the body to produce this spike-protein inheriting all these risks, the experts noted.
Nuremberg Code #6: Risk should never exceed the benefit
The experts asserted that Covid-19 has a 98-99% recovery rate. The vaccine injuries, deaths and adverse side-effects of mRNA gene-therapy far exceed this risk, they declared. They noted that the use of “leaky” vaccines was banned for agriculture use by the US and EU due to the Marek Chicken study that shows ‘hot-viruses’ and variants emerge… making the disease even more deadly. “Yet, this has been ignored for human use by the CDC knowing fully the risk of new deadlier variants emerge from leaky vaccinations.
“The CDC is fully aware that the use of leaky vaccines facilitates the emergence of hot (deadlier)strains. Yet they’ve ignored this when it comes to human,” they protested.
Nuremberg Code #7: Preparation must be made against even remote possibility of injury, disability, or death
The experts emphasized that there were no preparations made. This gene therapy skipped animal trials.
“The pharmaceutical companies’ own Phase 3 human clinical trials will not conclude until 2022 /2023. These vaccines were approved under an Emergency Use only act and forced on a misinformed public. They are NOT FDA-approved,” the group declared.
Nuremberg Code #8: Experiment must be conducted by scientifically qualified Persons
The experts further asserted: “politicians, media and actors claiming that this is a safe and effective vaccine are not qualified. “Propaganda is not medical science. Many retail outlets such as Walmart and drive-through vaccine centers are not qualified to administer experimental medical gene-therapies to the uninformed public.”
Nuremberg Code #9: Anyone must have the freedom to bring the experiment to an end at any time
The experts protested that despite the outcry of over 85,000 doctors, nurses, virologists, and epidemiologists – the experiment is not being ended.
“They argued: “in fact, there are currently many attempts to change laws in order to force vaccine compliance. This includes mandatory and forced vaccinations. Experimental ‘update’ shots are planned for every 6 months without any recourse to the growing number of deaths and injuries already caused by this experiment. These ‘update’ shots will be administered without any clinical trials.”
They were, however, optimistic that the new Nuremberg Trial will put an end to this crime against humanity.
Nuremberg Code #10: The scientist must bring the experiment to an end at any time if there’s probable cause of it resulting in injury or death
The experts argued that “it is clear in the statistical reporting data that this experiment is resulting in death and injury yet all the politicians, drug companies and so-called experts are not making any attempt to stop this gene-therapy experiment from inflicting harm on a misinformed public.”
The group urged citizens to hold their politicians, media, doctors and nurses accountable, insisting that “if they are complicit in this crime against humanity, they too are subject to the laws set forth in the Geneva Convention and Nuremberg Code and can be tried, found guilty and put to death.”
They maintained that legal proceedings are moving forward, adding, evidence has been collected and a large growing body of experts are sounding the alarm.
They pointed out that crimes against humanity affect us all. “They are a crime against you, your children, your parents, your grandparents, your community and your country and your future,” the lawyers and medics declared
kokomilala: @LordReed,] she NEVER said that in her audio. I mean this was someone in darkness before, who met Christ and talks about her past in an ecclesiastical manner to reach souls who may want to take that part.
kokomilala: I've got five of her confession audio recordings. See, if you belong to Jesus ,you'll be convinced by what she's saying. The truth- which the devil doesn't want people to see -is that he's leading billions to hell ,with distractions in the form of vanities, perverted women,and a deliberate attempt to blind people to the raw truth of God's Word. Just like it was in the days of Noah, the apocalypse, starting with the rapture, will catch many people unawares.
So why is she now denying she said some those things?
Lagos - The founder of Rapture Proclaimer Evangelical Church of God, Evangelist Funmilayo Adebayo, popularly called Mummy G.O, has said most of the videos about her on social media have been doctored. The Evangelist made this disclosure in an interview published by BBC Pidgin on Sunday, January 9.
She added that those behind the videos trending on social media have been after her for over eight years, adding that they once sent gunmen after her.
Her words: “All those videos are edited. Even Lucifer, if he’s made a pastor today, will he ever say all those things attributed to me talk less of someone called a holiness preacher?
"So, most of those things attributed to me were never said by me. The people behind the trend have been at it for over eight years. Sometimes they make use of magazines. When that didn’t work, they sent gunmen after me.” She alleged that some clerics are after her because their members are pulling out of their churches upon hearing her message.
“I’ve been receiving some strange calls saying ‘Evangelist Funmilayo you are affecting us. Many of our members hear your message and they pull out of our church. If you don’t stop, we will kill you’. “I thought it was just a threat until we started seeing gunmen chasing us while driving, coming to our church to threaten us and so on. At times, when I’m inside a banking hall, they take my picture and forward it to me, saying if they wanted to have me killed, they would have done so. They say they will disgrace me if I don’t stop. When they saw that I didn’t stop, they decided to make use of social media trends.”
Wait so she's saying she's not the one who said she used to traffic cocaine with flying carpet? LMFAO!
PoliteActivist: Oh, they don't have to discover. There exist powders that if you breathe in a tiny portion you'd shortly be dead! I'm inclined to believe the only "supernatural" is the natural we don't yet understand or are incapable of understanding
Indeed, our history is full of us slowly realising that it was our ignorance that we called spirits and gods.
Adjovi: I don't do tantrums. If you feel I live in a face me I face you good.
Why did you fly off the handle about were I lived then? Stop pretending, your lies are easy to see through. You can't provide any corroboration for your fairytales because they are nothing but your fevered imaginations. Every lizard and rat running across your doorstep is a demon because you have drank the koolaid of spiritual mumbo jumbo.
PoliteActivist: And that's how you know there is trickery involved no matter how supernatural it looks. That's how magicians have always been able to perform their incredible tricks. Then they throw in some useless jazz artifacts and incantations. Any time you see something that can't be OPENLY demonstrated and is shrouded in secrecy, and requires "special conditions", be sure there is trickery involved.
I won't be surprised that some of them have discovered natural nerve agents and toxins that they are protecting with spiritual mumbo jumbo because the only effects they seem to be able to reproduce consistently is either death or some illness.
HardMirror: the problem is, they think we are not in Nigeria. They think all these places they are mentioning are alien to us
Don't mind the dolt. Talking as if Ebute Metta is in the sky or something. I used to pass by that famous yoruba actor's house almost everyday coming from Oyingbo and someone wants to bamboozle me about Ebute Metta. Nonsense and ingredients.
Adjovi: Lol you don dey vex already. Na me dey live for face me I face you abi. No wahala carry your wahala and go since you want to be immature. Bye bye
LMFAO! Fucktaŕd wants to start pretending to ride a high horse. You are a lily livered yellow belly crawdaddy. You made a claim and when challenged to back your claim you fold like the spineless wet noddle you are. GTFOH mehn.
Adjovi: Mtchwww and you say u dey ebutemetta. Omo get inside area. Iffa slap your eyeball. Dem dey call person wey dey stay ebutemetta and person wey dey live for inside estate they talk. Goan sit-down one place jare. I live at Simpson Street close to Evans square
You are a dunce. Is LSDPC Estate not in Ebute Metta? Is it my fault that that you live in face me I slap you? What is on Simpson Street? Simpson Street that I was always going to either cut hair or buy stuff from a supermarket there? Don't be an unwashed smelly pant.
Adjovi: Magic trick amongst rival gangs that where killing eachother and counting scores . Come ebutemetta you go see film. If you like talk say next time I see such make I dey video am I no fit do video because I no get jazz make stray bullet no go hit me or make them go fling louvers for my neck make my enemy go die or collect everlasting scar because I wan prove something to an atheist alaye if u like believe if u like don't that's your own problem. Stop trying to tell us we are liars because you didn't see what we saw. We are not stupid and no be only you get sense. We know what we saw ok.
I lived in Ebute Metta for years, there was nothing like film or any supernatural mumbo jumbo. Abeg dey lie small small.
SpiritLifeNG: The world is not ready... So many phenomenal activities will take place this year and beyond.. Supernatural and astronomical events .. Alas! One of which aliens will reveal themselves globally in the atmosphere for everyone to see ..Its been happening, but what is coming is bigger , it's gonna be extraordinary as almost every inhabitant of the earth will see this huge invasion into our atmoshperic system occur at once..
The Vision
BEFORE THE LORD'S DAY
As revealed to me In the early hours of the morning .. Day3 of my waiting on the LORD.
I saw Men waiting steadfastly for the Lords day to approach. Men of prayer amidst the storms, battles and reproach of life. As they waited, Behold the sky and the clouds were darkened and stormy. The clouds tore open and a mighty Angel descended from above in shining light. The angel was sent to fight the Darkness that was released to plague the earth and its inhabitants. The darkness on the earth was in form of a being, that looked like an angel , but of a dark nature. The angel of the LORD from above struck this dark being and triumphed over it. The angel turned and said to us faithfuls that were waiting on the Lord's day, " I will come again ". And He vanished into thin air.
We began to spread the word , "the Lord will come again, the Lord will come", but people were not listening as we beckoned on them to wait in prayer with us.. And then a beast on four legs came and swept us off our feet. We knelt down under the rain( storms and battles of life) and we never ceased to pray.
And then the clouds opened again, we were expecting the Lord but it wasn't the Lord this time , but another form of darkness visited the earth to deceive many. As the clouds opened in a circle format, there came out of it , a huge space ship .On the body of this spaceship was attached many spherical crafts like UFOs .
The crafts were visibly suspended in the sky, they hovered and flew around the earth and everyone on earth saw it. It was an alien invasion . While being confused, i woke up from that vision and it was 7:30am in the morning, and the Lord ministered to me, that it is the duty of the faithfuls to tarry , to keep watch inspite of the darkness that will plague the earth.The church will be unwavered , tho many that are not rooted will be deceived and the love of many will wax cold for the things of God, but HE IS ON THE WAY! THO HE MAY TARRY , YET, HE WILL COME SAVE US FROM THE DARKNESS AS WE KEEP WATCH AND PRAY !
petra1: You already got your answer . But if its knowledge you're seeking . Understanding of the bible is by combination of relative verses . If you're so particular about a single verse that contains your question phrase by phrase ,word for word. You may kindly show us since you're so particular about it. I didn't use the phrase. It's only you that came up with it. And we have helped you enough to show you relative verses.
Ok so you admit there was no where in the OT that the god promised that animal sacrifice would be substituted by his own son?
petra1: Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel . . .
Isaiah made us to understand it will be cut by some of God
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus was God made flesh made it clear he was the son of God predicted
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
When you combine all with Hebrew. You have a cristal answer
Hebrews 9:11-22 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
The question again: When did GOD promised in the Old Testament HE will send HIS own son to be crucified and His blood will replace the blood of goats and bulls for atonement of sins?
Rephrased: when was the promise made that a substitute for animal sacrifice in the person of the god's own son would be sent?
You haven't answered the question so I have bolded the parts of the question that would help you provide an answer.
petra1: Events in Mathew is old Testament. New testament began after christ died resurrected.
Ok let's say you are technically correct, however you still haven't answered the question. The question again, When did GOD promised in the Old Testament HE will send HIS own son to be crucified and His blood will replace the blood of goats and bulls for atonement of sins?
Rephrased: when was the promise made that a substitute for animal sacrifice in the person of the god's own son would be sent?
The world was not created in 7days as many people believe but was created for millions of years but the Bible narrated it one day at a time.
One day he made the heavens, skies and then on a different day(not the next day) he created another thing.
Now the Bible says a day in heaven is like a thousand years on earth so perhaps there was a very very long period between when GOD created the beasts in the ocean and when he finally made man on the last day of creation which is the day 6 of creation.
So what if there was like 500 years heavenly calender between the day GOD created these beasts and the day he decided to create man?
So these scientists are somewhat accurate in their calculation of the years these beasts existed.
I hope this makes sense.
So for a thousand years plants were growing without sunlight?
Image123: SMH, now you agree on the results/outcome right? Your question seems to be on the input. Your outcomes are same like i consistently stated. You both don't believe in God just because you don't see what you want to see.
How is the outcome the same if I am an atheist and they were not? LoL. Na wa for comparison.
Image123: Like Proverbs says, the backslider is filled with his own ways. It's same for the two of you. Despite still having steady miracles like the pillar of cloud and fire and manna, your colleagues said they cannot find Moses, so they backslid. When they saw Moses, they still asked for something else to see. Same way you keep asking for something to see and more questions to be answered. Do you think that all people who have seen or see miracles are believers? Matthew 7v21 to 23 should guide you further.
You are funny. How you can compare someone who has not seen the supposed miracles of the god to people who supposedly have is such a stretch that Mister Fantastic would be jealous.
In effect you are saying I who have not seen are the same same with people who have seen but wanted more. Like how is the comparison close to the same. SMH LoL.
Image123: You said yourself that just because the Israelites couldn't see what they wanted to see, they turned against God. Brother, that is your exact story. You turned against God because you couldn't see what you wanted to see. An atheist, an idolater, a backslider are all same sinners and on the same route in God's sight and of course our sight.
How is seeing Moses comparable to all the other things they did see? Like the disparity is so huge your arms have to be paining you for the reaching you are doing. LoL
Christianity Etc › Re: This Boy Was Dead For 20 Minutes - What He Saw Will Blow Your Mind by LordReed(m): 11:38am On Jan 10, 2022*. Modified: 12:00pm On Jan 10, 2022
She should go to the man's house if she wants to see her children, she's making it seem like they were kidnapped.