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anu3:
And when He comes, it's going to be quick and sudden. The rapture is still not immediately (2 Thessalonians Chap. 2, as the antichrist will come first (don't mind all what some pastors say; also see Matt. 24). But one can die ANYTIME (no guarantee) after which is judgment.

Hence, whether Rapture or death, still the same effect: judgement onto either eternal life or eternal death in hell. That's why Jesus said one must always Ready.

Heb.9.27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Rev.22.11 - He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."

Rev.22.12 - "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

Matt.24.44 - Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. (Death or Rapture, no one knows...)


Take care.

If 2000years is quickly then I wonder what slowly would be like. LMAO!

Open till someone falls off.

Nice. I hope I am able to do this for my children some day.

Why travel with that amount of cash on you in this day and age.

PastorM o! LMFAO!

So you think this action was better than the actions of those security guards in the other story?

LMAO. Religious people are so fond of black and white thinking and forget there are degrees. If Bonny continues touching the leg his punishment would be much greater than than if he began to plead for his wrongdoing. Not everything is down to do or don't do.

Why does a god care what you genuflect in front of?

anu3:
Yes, Jesus said He's the ONLY way to eternal life in God.
John.14.5 - Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, and HOW can we know the way?"

John.14.6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father EXCEPT through Me.

The idea that we all serve THE SAME God is from FALSE men and great speakers around or on the media, NOT from God. There are many gods: Money, possessions, humans, pleasures, Ego, pastors, bible knowledge, miracles, celebrities, positions, etc. Now, many of us just put Bible, Church and other religious whitewash to make it look like we All are really serving the same God.

For He said:

Matt.6.24 - "No one can serve TWO MASTERS; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You CANNOT serve God and mammon.

However, just one word to the Atheists: do you really think your Life, everything you see around are all Coincidence, right? Or you believe science covers it all. Well, the brain behind science is still highly GIFTED MEN, gifted by God (like you, they don't know it's from God). And that's why Science, psychology, etc., are TERRIBLY limited. Or let them try to create Life without using Human contents. Or END Death, so that they try not Dying themselves. They can't even save the least animals, let alone Humans.

Nothing doing... Only God, the Creator can do that. He's made himself known through His Son Jesus. But we may choose to DISBELIEF HIM.

Nonetheless, I must warn you (if you don't mind), Jesus is coming back for judgment, no longer for mercy. He's giving the world time to Repent and obey Him to escape the damnation of eternal hellfire because of Sin.

John.16.8 - And when He (the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John.16.9 - of sin, because they DO NOT BELIEVE in Me (Jesus);

Peace...

Jesus has been coming back for almost 2000years now, his journey isn't over yet? LoL

hupernikao:
I thought they said atheist are full of knowledge,

Where did you get this assertion from?

PastorM:
Can you imagine the testimony? You will tell millions, "I once was lost but now I am found. Praise da Lawd"

Don't tempt me to start a church, na private jet go be my target o! LMFAO!

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Bluewitch:



Chatinent

LordReed

Budaatum

Pettyprincess

Nwaamaikpe

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Bishopkingsley:
LordReed I did prove God exists with the data collected from science

https://www.nairaland.com/6819891/science-discovered-god-which-shows

The evidence is already been proven and there is no way you guys can run from it because it your own people who actually discovered the forces exist and those forces they discovered is exactly what Bible is saying

Now
When someone dies and come back to life which other evidence do you need from him when he already shown you he is back to life

By just the fact that he is back to life that should only be the evidence that you need because you already know it not a random thing to come back to life after few days

So once you see him back to life that should only be the evidence you are seeking for but if you are saying you want some other prove after he is back to life then let be truthful you are not been reasonable

So only coming back to life is what we need to guarantee he is the father of truth because such a person what ever they say after they are back to life should be taken as the truth

Now on the two Scenarios you and I know that is the best summary of how the things going to play out

One
Let assume there is no ultimate God and he does not exist ....

Two
Let assume there is one ultimate God and he exists


Question
LordReed I ask you again if one of this two scenarios play out at the end

Who do you think is going to weep and be in a terrible state?


From this scenario above now am begging to see why God put Psalm 14:1 ►

Because it obvious this scenario shows those who believe are really wise at heart

You didn't prove god, you conjectured god from a single data point. If you think that is how science works then you are very much mistaken.

And I tell you once again that there are more than 2 scenarios since you cannot provide any evidence of the afterlife, you are merely speculating and far as speculationsgo we definitelycan speculate a lot more than 2 scenarios. When you can produce evidence of an afterlife lemme know.

Bishopkingsley:
You guys are so funny after I have proved scientifically how God is real

The next step you guys came up with is I should authenticate post death experience

Well the truth is even after I do this you won't still believe you will still device and find out another hard mystery for me to unlock before you can believe any thing

And I bet you there are countless mysteries un answered on earth

So God already knows this your method just like I know them


LordReed nothing is going to satisfy you even if I die and come back to life you won't still believe my saying

You and I only have to abide by those two scenarios and we have to use that as the yard stick when making our decisions

You didn't prove god scientifically. How can you when you don't have any data to do so?

If you are going to be making claims then have your evidence at hand, I am not going to believe simply because you said so. When you die and resurrect after 1 week come back and show me the evidence plus the evidence you brought from the afterlife.

I don't abide by those 2 scenarios because they aren't the only possibilities if we are going by religious views.

PastorM:
He's gradually coming over

It is good to have hope. LoLz

Dtruthspeaker:
Although, you got.
TO THE END OF THE ROAD
and there's no way to go O.

It's so natural
to,
To belong to God,
I belong to oooo Him.

NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

One more thing!

COPY, COPY
IS NOT GOOD O,
FIND YOUR OWN O.
USE YOUR HEAD O
SHEY, SHEY, SHEY
SHAAME!

Gbagaun, SHAME! Gbagaun, SHAME! Gbagaun SHAME!

Bwahahahahaha! OMFD! You copied Boyz II Men then went on to condemn me for copying! You are so freaking hypocritical it's hilarious. LMFAO!

peggywebbs:
Another side of @LordReed interesting. I like this exchange.

Well like I have said on here several times, I don't oppose religion, I oppose bad ideas and faulty conclusions. Also at the end of the day the truth is religion is not in the blood, we are still all human beings no matter what religion you belong to.

triplechoice:
Doctors get traumatized I know. But is there any evidence strong enough in the story to suggest he was traumatized to the extent you claim? Non I can see.

There's nothing strong enough in the story that could have triggered that kind of reaction. If there was ,he himself would have let us know. He his a doctor and you keep ignoring this fact . It seems you're focused more on trying to diagonize the mental state of someone who is in a position to know better than you. He made us know he shouldn't be having that kind of experience at all.Nothing warrants it according to him.

He couldn't have been doing drugs and as I already mentioned he is already desensitized to that kind of experience.. When he got home ,he was about to sleep off without giving it much thought until his attention was captured by the noise at the window. If he was really disturbed, he would have remained awake after coming home. That is the normal reaction for anyone disturbed by anything.

For doctors who commit suicide do you have any proof that it is their personal encounters with their patients that lead to it. It could be anything outside of their practice.

BTW Nigerian doctors are not known to commit suicide as their foreign counterparts.

I previously mentioned what he did to ensure he was still in the right frame of mind and even corroborate it with Randi's but you just skipped that.That is the major thing to consider in the story. It rules out hallucination.

As for scientist being handicapped to investigate due to inadequte data, where would it come from, if the same people who are to investigate it are the same persons making it difficult for others to come out and share their experiences. They are the ones who by their training would label you as insane or hallucinating if you try to speak out.

Well , whatever you think, no point in dragging this further because I know your own worldview would not make certain things acceptable to you. That, sorry to say ,is the barrier.

But think about this, what can be wrong in it if someday in the future we get to know that there is a part of the human being which is not currently perceptible to the naked average human eye or captured by any known scientific instrumentation that can survive after death. Would that knowledge disturb you in anyway?

If it would not ,why can't we keep an open mind and try to investigate ourselves. We all can be scientist especially if we know how to apply the scientific method of inquiry.

. I myself from a long time ago, ,have been investigating some of these phenomenon . Honestly, I have gathered enough data myself that has kept me open-minded But I have learnt to ignore anything based on believe.. I don't bother myself with those.

See here:

duketunde:
She was a Yoruba Christian. She was praying, holding my hands, saying that I should not let her die, that she still has little children at home. She then started behaving abnormally, talking irrationally and screaming, also convulsing intermittently.
At this point, I called a senior who came in, assessed her and told me privately that she won't make it. He told me to continue masterly activity which I did.

She finally died after few hours she was brought in. I certified her dead in her file, disconnected all life support, and went to my house to sleep around 3am when the call got less busy. I was weak and sad.

You can see he was quite psychologically affected by the event. He was about to sleep at 3am, meaning he was partially sleep deprived and tired. These conditions could have compounded to make him susceptible.

For Nigerian doctors and suicide see here: https://healthwise.punchng.com/suicide-a-silent-scourge-among-nigerian-doctors/

Scientists don't make those kinds of pronouncements about people without evidence. You can check scientific investigations into NDEs, you won't find that kind of language.

I do have an open mind to the possibility that a soul or whatever exists but I don't see the supporting evidence.

Dtruthspeaker:
NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

Dtruthspeaker:
NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

I put my mouth for song:
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
Mr. Follow Follow, make you open eye
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
Mr. Follow Follow, make you open sense
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
I put my mouth for song:
"Zombie o, Zombie"
Yeye rolling!
"Zombie o, Zombie"
Yeye rolling!

kingxsamz:
I asked that clown why don't we see miracles of amputated limbs growing and he said such miracles have been preserved for the afterlife that it's only in heaven that amputees can get their missing body parts back. I asked him to show me a single verse in the bible that supports his claim, he started shouting "No Road", saying he has won the argument. Omo. A whole lawyer o.

LMFAO! OMFD! Laugh wan tear my belle o!

PastorM:
I grew up in Cele - an aladura church

Chei! Really?! Wow, I would have guessed Anglican or Methodist, lol.

Bishopkingsley:
The scenario is only between those who say God exists and those who say he does not exist




By saying this your have now extended the discussion to another level

But no problem let come into it now we have found out that there is only one living God you can ask those who you call forefathers they will equally tell you the same thing



This sample falls under the both of us lose nothing scenario



I don't need to show you because I already told you what if there is only two scenarios possible

One
A situation where there is no God


Two
A situation where there is God

Now if want a reliable method
It easy you can search through out other religion only one man Jesus has claimed to have died and came back to life


No other person has ever done that or claim to have done that, this act alone shows you that Jesus is indeed reliable you can put your trust in him because he has died and he came back

There is not only 2 scenarios since you can't tell me how to authenticate the supposedly post death experience.

Bishopkingsley:
Well we trust him who created all things

Beside there is a level your reach in God he will come and show himself to you

Now even besides that let me ask you a question

LordReed let us assume that there is no God now when you and I die then if there is no God none of us lost any thing you and I did not lose any thing because there will be no reward for any one who believed in God and there will be no reward for those who did not believe


Now the next question

LordReed now on this next scenario let us assume that there is a living God then you and I who do you think is going to receive a terrible punishment you can Cleary see you are the one who will pay a great price for refusing to believe him

So LordReed is it not better for you to be on the safe side and believe in him so that if this two situations eventually happens you won't lose on any of them

Ok let us add some more scenarios. What if you die and find out the true god was all the gods of your forefathers that you discarded? What if when you die the true god is a god you never heard of? What if when you die there is no true god but everybody goes to their own version of heaven? We can sit here and imagine all manner of scenarios but until you can show me a reliable method of knowing what is true after you die, you are in no better position than I am.

triplechoice:
I don't want to accept that a medical doctor whose training has already desensitized him to those kind of incidents would be so traumatized to the extent you explained.

It doesn't follow at all. .I think you're seeing the doctor as every other average person out there and using it to judge his
reaction. Doctors have the special training to make them not to overreact to those kind of situation.

Go though the story again and see that he wasn't as much disturbed as you want anyone to believe.

The incident does not match your interpretation of his reaction. If he was so disturbed as you claim, he wouldn't have had the presence of mind to do other things to ensure he wasn't dreaming .What he did by opening his fridge to get a bottle of coke wasn't instinctive but a deliberate way of ensuring one is still "here" whenever you think you're hallucinating .That is a very significant part of the story which you're not paying much attention to and it is the evidence he was not just "seeing things" It completely removes any idea of hallucination from the story.

James Randi does the same by looking at his wristwatch intermittently to be sure that all thats happening around him whenever he is having one of his debunking sessions is still the normal world. Go an check out some of his videos to confirm.

The image that stood at window of the doctor said something that matches what transpired at the emergency unit . This shows that the two events are strongly linked. What appears to be an image from hallucinating is strongly connected to a real event that just happened.

Just like my friend's, they smell something and the confirmation of why they have the smell , is what happens after. Even though their's doesn't happen exactly in the same sequence as that of the doctor, we can still see a connection .

In your own case of hearing your father's voice, theirs no such link to an external event happening before or after.

What do you normally observe before and after you hear the voice of your late father? I already asked this question before but you didn't answer.

If yours doesn't connect with something that others can verify, then it is all in your head. That is hallucination and it is what I mean
by your experience having "no basis in reality"

Dogs that can sniff out drugs concealed in traveling bags are able to do so, due to the special ability they have. Not every dog has this ability.

And just like those sniffer dog,, I strongly believe, based on some of the things I have personally experienced in the past, some people are gifted with the special ability to see things that others can't perceive.

In addition, there is always something that act as triggers for these people to see. If science can identify what triggers this ability, I am sure we would be having a better explanation in the future for some of these things some people are quick to dismiss as hallucination.

But the problem now, is that those in the main body of science are just not interested in investigating any of this phenomenon hence
most people are confused and not knowing what to make of it all . Some people even deny that they have these experiences due to ridicule or that no one would believe them.

Fortunately for me , I have met with people who are willing to share their experiences with me So I am home with them. Nothing surprises me If you're the kind of person who critized this sort of experiences, no body tells you anything. Even if your wife has the ability she won't open up to you once she knows you would never believe her. That is it . one just need to keep an open mind in order to be aware of things happening around you.

Doctors still get traumatised, they have some of the highest suicide rates of any profession.

I don't notice anything unusual before or after. I am usually involved in one task or activity or the other, could be reading, could be playing, could even be during a conversation. Also my dad would be nowhere in the vicinity and most times he wasn't even in the house.

Hallucinations are triggered by various things like lack of sleep, stress, drugs, trauma, etc. The doctor could have been affected by a combination of stress, lack of sleep and trauma.

I don't think it's that science isn't interesting in studying it rather the sample sizes are so small it's hard to develop reliable methodologies for a proper study. I mean how many people have you encountered with these abilities you mentioned?

BTW I don't criticise people for claiming they have abilities but if the person requires me to believe them then they need to back it up with evidence.

Bishopkingsley:
The life force gave an instruction to us and we failed to obey the instruction

You can clearly see where I said us....

Now our eternal life only starts when Jesus comes physically and destroys all enemies

So it not yet time

Bwahahahahaha! Sounds like 419 to me. Things you supposedly won't see until after your death is like someone selling you a pedestrian bridge or a flyover. LoLz

PastorM:
And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

This was after he been called out.

Dtruthspeaker:
Everyone knows, (except of course (evils like you) when talking to plants has turned from the usual to madness!

NO ROAD!

LoL! OMFD! The excuses.

Bishopkingsley:
The life force gave an instruction to us and we failed to obey the instruction because we failed to obey the life force that is why we were cut down which resulted to death

But that same life force gave us a new commandment and only those who keep the new instruction will live again in a beautiful place

And the rest will live again in terrible state

Yet none of you has lived to 200years so how am I supposed to believe you?

Dtruthspeaker:
CHANGE OF POST! FIGHT FAIR OR STAY SILENT OR FORFEIT THE CONTEST! THOSE ARE THE RULES.

Of course, atheists NEVER FIGHT FAIR AND LEGALLY!

LMFAO! We already know you will claim special privileges in the name of your god. Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
Nothing unusual for till the end of the world people would keep talking to things,

"make dis car start O",

"make dis biro no kon fail for dis exam O"

"Make dis number go o".

But you said it is madness. LMFAO!

PastorM:
Because she was still his sister!

So leaving out unfavourable details is not deception?

Dtruthspeaker:
See you people?

CHANGE OF POST! We were talking about creation vs. creation and not Creator vs. creation.

No Road!

Dtruthspeaker:
See you people?

CHANGE OF POST! We were talking about creation vs. creation and not Creator vs. creation.

Of course, atheists NEVER FIGHT FAIR AND LEGALLY!

No Road!

You with your special pleading are the one fighting fair? LMFAO!