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Dtruthspeaker:
EXCEPT TRUE LOVERS OF GOD, NO ONE OR HOUSEHOLD HAS IT, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.

"Shouts, shouts of joy
And victory resound in the tents
Of the righteous of the Lord
Shouts of joy
And victory resound in the tents
Of the righteous of the Lord

The Lord's right hand
Has done mighty things for us
The Lord's right hand
Is lifted high
The Lord's right hand
Has done mighty things for us

The Lord's right hand reigns on high
The Lord's right hand reigns on high

Shouts of joy
And victory resound in the tent of the righteous of The Lord!

LoLz. So for one thing how come the richest person in the world is not a "TRUE LOVERS OF GOD"?

Quite right PastorM!

Deborah98:
please don't get me wrong I'm trying to paint a picture here. It's just an assumption just to get your attention and thoughts on what we've been discussing so far. I'm not condemning you neither am I saying you are all mentioned no,but let's be realistic what if that scenario should play out at the end? God believers as you put aren't good people,we have unbelievers who are good too the only thing I'm concerned is that we should do the right thing and try to be at peace with ourselves religion aside.

Of course I agree we should live together in peace but you are adding this other thing you are saying we should be concerned about. I am telling you I see no reason to be concerned with it unless you have evidence to the contrary.

Dtruthspeaker:
Ah Many! Joy! Unspeakable Joy, Unending Peace, even during plagues, we are unaffected, we can not be bothered (He is our Peace when Trouble Blows, Jehovah Sees, Jehovah Knows, Rest, Plenty Rest. (We do not work like headless chickens and yet we obtain full reward of the day), Success in everything (work, business, engagements), Sweet Marriage, Daily favours, whatever our hands touch prosper, the plans of our enemies both known and unknown are always crushed, (no weapon fashioned against us ever prospers ) and no matter what move we make that we later thought was a bad move, O, how they turn to become the very best move ever (All things worketh out for good Exactly as God Said)

Oya, go and find these things in the market and buy it, if you can.

And atheists don't have these things is what you are saying? LoLz

Nothingserious:
You said atheism isn’t like religion with creeds and liturgy. But I showed you below how organized a religion atheism is.


But they have associations, groups, classes, clubs, and even a register of the brights where coordinated brain-washing activities are done to teach you what to say during arguments.

You spend so much time reading up books and materials and listening to audios and videos on the latest about theism and defeaters to theism.
You rehearse your points and become evangelical in your approaches.

What more religion is more organized and credal and liturgical than that?

Myriads of definitions of atheism isn’t bad but just shows confusion of what each atheist thinks is atheism. They don’t know what they believe in and why they are atheists. That’s too bad.

Still not answering the questions. Are they too hard for you?

Great2017:
Very soon, you will tell me that breathing in air, urinating and pooing are not free.

Nevertheless, the Gift of God is free as long as you are not the one that paid the price to the giver.

Anything that requires an exchange is not free. I don't exchange anything for breathing air. If I had to install a special equipment to breathe then air is not free. You say some holy spirit MUST come into me, it means the gift is actually an exchange. If I told you to come get a free bottle of coke then when you got here I told you you MUST give me your shoes, will that bottle of coke still be considered free by you?

Deborah98:
so what will it profit you to gain the whole world and lose your soul. Okay think of this,if at the end I find out that God doesn't exist but I lived a good,holy, pleasing and acceptable life on Earth I have nothing to lose whereas you lived a bad, rugged and dirty life and then finds out that He is what then will be your fate answer . An igbo adage says,ome mma na-emere onwe ya meaning you're not necessarily doing good for others but to yourself as well.

I will gladly gain the whole world for an imaginary soul or do you have evidence of this soul thing you can share here?

What makes you think I am living a bad, rugged and dirty life? You think only god believers are good people?

Valar Morghulis. Rest in peace.

Great2017:
You have to make yourself a dwelling place for the Spirit of God.

Then it is not free.

Deborah98:
No one is making you to live in fear. Your conscience is obviously pricking you,you can't tell me you don't get nervous and uncoordinated when you do the unthinkable and unimaginable. Even a small child gets scared when he or she does something wrong hence their sudden withdrawal from you when they feel you've noticed their mess. That's how it is with God. He has laid down principles and orders which once violated leaves us troubled. We're always at peace when we do that which is right remove religion first,that which the society applauds now liking it to doing that which pleases God as well. You have nothing except peace within you.

I don't believe in your god and still have peace. What then?

XXXXTENTACION:
Just finished listening to the song "Dear God" by American rapper Dax..
and am wondering why do we have to live our lives in fear of being thrown into hell fire... Why don't we live life and do the best we can...
Why do i need to be scared of my creator...
why would a loving father kill his children and throw them into fire ...
This whole religion stuff does not seem to make sense...

Absolutely no reason I can see. Why should I be afraid of living? If I make a mistake hopefully it's not bad enough to kill me and I can learn from it.

Dtruthspeaker:
WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD BOTH THE ONES MONEY CAN BUY AND THE ONES MONEY CAN NEVER ACQUIRE, PLUS THE OTHER GOODS WHICH PEOPLE WANT.

PSALM 23 IS OUR SONG.

What do you have that money cannot buy?

Great2017:
You don't buy the gift of God

So I don't have to give my life to Christ?

TAGM:
It will be foolish for you to believe that everything that exists must be visible. Some of the greatest forces on earth are invisible to the natural eyes or wrapped up in molecules widely spaced.

We aren't even talking about a mental imaginary here, we're talking about One whose birth was supernatural, who died and rose adain and was seen of many before ascending to heaven.

Animals can be excused on their ignorance about the existence of a divine Being, but not mortal men who are formed in the image of such a Being whose workings, power and glory isn't hidden even in this present dispensation?

How else would you explain the miracels? The life transformations? The prophetic turn out and manifestation of events?

Atheism is one of dumbest disposition any man can align with.

What evidence can you present for the existence of this divine being?

What miracles? Can they be verified to be miracles?

What life transformations?

What does prophetic turn out and manifestation of events mean? And why is it relevant to this discussion?

What you think about atheism is irrelevant. What we want is for you to provide evidence for your claims, no story.

Great2017:
The gift of God is free. Yes, it is absolutely free.

Is it the mighty and wonderful things that is free? Wait, I don't have to give my life or how is it free?

TAGM:
Oga leave religion and secure a relationship with Christ who died for you.

You can't have a real relationship with a mental imaginary construct, that's not a relationship.

nans24:
Before I begin, I am not a pastor or a preacher and I don't attend any church. I am just a sinner who continuously makes mistakes and tries his best to make changes and quit bad habits that are discouraged in the Bible.

I have personally observed that alot of you are not really atheists as you call yourselves. Most of you do believe and know that there is a God, A creator of Heaven and Earth, but you find it difficult worshipping a God who turns his face away while chaos and destruction envelopes that which He has created.

Some of you are in deep pain as a result of loved ones lost in death, individuals who in one way or the other expressed kindness and love towards you by their actions.

Some of you have gone through or witnessed tragic and traumatic experiences that still haunts you and makes you wonder why a so called "loving" God would sit back, fold his hands and do nothing.

Some of you successfully got out of a brainwashing cult claiming to possess truth and then in your quest for real truth, got consumed and trapped in an endless loop of existential crisis and decided to give up completely on that quest.

Some of you are just sick and tired of the suffering, injustice and deceit that goes on in this world, with the wicked and heartless prospering, Wolves clothed in the garments of sheep leading and so called worshippers of God with no single iota of love for their fellow man displaying their false sense of godly devotion.

If you can relate to all that I have mentioned above the message below is meant for you:

1. Its okay to be angry at God. You are not the first neither are you going to be the last to feel this way. Individuals who lived in much more tougher and barbaric times have questioned God, some even accusing him of deliberately deceiving them and making them an object of scorn and mockery. God did not kill or get mad angry at those individuals. In fact, He is much more closer to those who are broken hearted.

2. Death is not the end. You have a spirit within you. The wicked can destroy and have your weak body. Unforeseen occurrence can take hold of your body. But your spirit is the special property of God. Your loved ones who are dead have ran their race and they are resting. There is nothing in this world. They are not missing out on anything special. All is vanity.

3. It's okay to lose faith in God. A man boldly called down fire from heaven but then ran like a coward to a deserted mountain when a woman threatened to kill him. Another man who raised the dead, asked God why He has forsaken him as he bleed on a stick he was nailed on. You are not RoboCop or Superman. It's okay to lose faith in God. God knows what we are. He reads our heart and always has a way of drawing those that are His back to him.

4. You have free will. You are free to do whatever you like, believe in whatever you want to believe in and partake in whatever that pleases or gives you delight. But as you go on doing all of that, remember that actions have equal and opposite reactions. Every action has consequences and you will be judged/rewarded based on your actions whether you accept it or not.

5. What you see is not what God sees. His thoughts, ways and actions are unimaginably higher. Humbly accept that you cannot understand EVERYTHING about Him and what He permits to occur. You have to spend eternity with Him and be able to stand in His presence in order for that to happen and a time will indeed come when that will happen.

6. The Bible is a useless and stupid book for deluded people. Yes, that is exactly how God has made it to look like in the eyes of men. However, To those who continuously and unrelentingly continue to search for him in their heart, He gives His spirit of knowledge and understanding. You are always free to ask for that spirit if you wish.

7. You are an imperfect human. God does not expect perfection from that which is imperfect. No man is good. What God expects is you fighting/battling with sin rather than giving up to it. When you fall, get up and continue to battle.

Have a nice day.

1. Why does your god want broken people? So that they can be slaves like Paul said? Then he should have just created slaves shouldn't he?

2. I would love to see by what evidence you came to know that death is not the end and that there is something called spirit.

3. If it is OK to loose faith in this your god then why are you bothered that we don't have faith in this your god?

4. I am comfortable knowing that my actions have consequences which is why I don't behave anyhow. Why should I be bothered that someone is going to judge my life? I am already doing what is within my power to live a good life. What exactly is this judgement, reward and punishment going to entail? By what standard is this going to take place and how do you know all of this?

5. Again how do you know all this?

6. Why does your god want stupid people? I don't understand. Your god made people with brains that can assimilate great amounts of information and process it into extremely wonderful outputs but instead he wants stupid people? Why didn't he just make stupid people then?

7. What is sin?

Bankowner:
Are you a parent yet? Wait until you have two or more children and then you’ll understand the concept of loving all your children equally viz a viz being partial to one.

I have children and I would never appear to them to love one over the other. Why would I want to destroy their self esteem in that manner?

Great2017:
Sorry, the Power of God is not for funfair and pecuniary gain.

Nevertheless, God's power is readily available to His Sons.

If you make yourself available, you will not only see what you have requested for but mighty and wonderful things.

Shalom.

Like what? Getting money to buy private jet or is it being a celebrity that people see on the TV and billboards?

2braithe:
It is our business because they are polluting the mind of our children.
When you learn about gay acts,that is when a voice inside your head will tell you "I think I'm gay" and that's it!

When did a gay person come to your house to entice you or your children?

I learned about gay acts and I am still not gay or even remotely enticed by it, are you enticed by it?

What I find strange is people claiming if someone learns about something they'll be enticed by it. There are many things you've learnt that you are not enticed by why do you think it is not the same for other people or you think you're somehow special?

chukwunweikeemi:
I don't understand homosexuality.I can't comprehend how a man can be sexually attracted to a fellow man.It just beats my imagination.Just as if the earth were to start rotating from east to west instead of the other way round.If some people were created this way as some claim,then at least we would have seen one or two cases in animals too.But,no,it does not exist in animals.The He goat (male goat) follows the She goat(female goat) around,the rooster (male chicken) goes for the hen (female chicken) .the lion ( male lion) goes for the lioness(female lion) ,a man ( male human) also goes for a woman (female human) and not a fellow man.Those who act contrary to this order are deliberating going against the natural order.Their actions are evil and someday God the Lawgiver will destroy these sexual perverts same way he destroyed those sodomites who wanted to force themselves on the Angels who went to deliver Lot and his family from the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah prior to the destruction of same cities with fire and brimstone from heaven..The whole story is in Genesis 19 .Pray to God ,read ,learn and depart from your wicked ways you sodomites.,lest you incur the wrath of God the Most High.
"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." (Psalm 9:17).

Homosexuality has been found in almost all animals. Read about homosexuality in penguins for example.

2braithe:
There used to be a time when ladies were always decently dressed and they cover their bodies well,it was termed normal

When was this time? Before or after your colonial masters taught you their own version of decent dressing?

Elock1:
people think that the number of wrap they can consume amounts to being a big boy...

And with weed being common, they intake will increase

That's the big boy I meant, not in terms of cash payment

Oh OK I see what you mean.

Nothingserious:
But they have associations, groups, classes, clubs, and even a register of the brights where coordinated brain-washing activities are done to teach you what to say during arguments.

You spend so much time reading up books and materials and listening to audios and videos on the latest about theism and defeaters to theism.
You rehearse your points and become evangelical in your approaches.

What more religion is more organized and credal and liturgical than that?

The questions again:
What does true definition of atheism mean?

Why would a myriad of reasons for no belief be a bad thing?

Your post doesn't address either question.

Elock1:
obviously you didn't get my point

Educate me.

Elock1:

I Dont support the legalization of cannabis
The Nigerian youth will be completely doomed

The issue is since the government doesn't provide jobs, weed seems to be the only cheap gateway to catch some fun

Then imagine plus lack of Education, they will just consume overdose thinking it's a sign of being a big boy.


If Nigeria must legalize it, they have to create a distraction like jobs and also create massive awareness programmes

Imagine if weed dy legalize, tout for Nigeria go dy more brutal {because e Don turn to common commodity for all man}

Weed is already cheap, legalisation would make it even cheaper so how can it be the sign of being a big boy?

Nothingserious:
Lack of belief in a God is a personal choice.
You choose to say you lack belief.
I don’t think many atheists think same way.

You choose to say you lack belief. The theists chooses to think the evidences are sufficient enough for basic belief. That implies that there is a possibility that even if the evidences are proven beyond reasonable doubt, you could still choose to not belief. That’s not a valid definition.

Who needs to validate the definition?

And would you mind showing us the rational for your lack of belief? What should a God evidence look like?

If you think lack of belief is not a valid definition of atheism why do you need my rationale?

Evidence for a proposition should always exclude any other possibility thus evidence for a god should indicate the only possibility of its occurance to be from a god.

Who are you to decide what is sufficient and what is not sufficient? You don’t have that right cos you don’t have any God template you are reading from that guides you on what a God should be like and all that.

Good! Just like I ask you who are you to declare that the definition I gave is not valid.

Nothingserious:
But they have associations, groups, classes, clubs, and even a register of the brights where coordinated brain-washing activities are done to teach you what to say during arguments.

You spend so much time reading up books and materials and listening to audios and videos on the latest about theism and defeaters to theism.
You rehearse your points and become evangelical in your approaches.

What more religion is more organized and credal and liturgical than that?

Lol

You didn't answer the questions.

hupernikao:
Like I told you, i don't have to be arguing this with you. The impression of "full of knowledge" is all over the untrained psychologist calling themselves atheist all over nairaland. It's not an assumption, it's a fact that hardly will you see an atheist here who doesn't feel he is operating at higher knowledge. Sadly enough, it's just a disorder or self adoration. It has a cure.

Ok so you are conjecturing it not like someone actually said it.

hupernikao:
No need flogging this, it's not a contest, your colleagues will soon disappoint you on this. It's not always far before a randy atheist voice same utterance.

Mention me if they do.

Dtruthspeaker:
First, it is His Property and not yours so you have no say in the matter.

Secondly, it is His Right to Apprehend or pursue the thief at any time, He Pleases, because There is No Time Bar or Law Bar to Crime.

Thus, at anytime A Home Owner can decides to arrest and prosecute a thief, without any limitation whatsoever, He Can So Exercise His Right!

Thus,
"A thief escapes everyday and it only takes One Day for him to be caught!"

One Day Only and that is all.

So is the Day of Wrath and Judgement. All God needs is ONE DAY.

LMFAO! It's always hilarious to see your wonky defences of your god concepts are.

Dtruthspeaker:
Same way Lie Mohammed said no evidence of killing until, The Truth Rose Up One Day and Publicly Called him a Liar.

Believe or not to believe, it is yours to choose but "A thief escapes everyday and it only takes One Day for him to be caught!"

One Day Only and that is all.

So is the Day of Wrath and Judgement. All God needs is ONE DAY.

Any homeowner that allows a thief to be burglarising his house for 2000years when he has the power to apprehend and incarcerate the thief is stupid. So I highly doubt your story. But by the grace of Andromeda we shall be here till we die to see your one day. LMFAO!