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Hismasterpiece:
Christianity has claims as does atheism if those of Christianity are said to be fairy tales what stops us from seeing atheism as the same?

What claims does atheism make?

triplechoice:
Many people live their lives oblivious of the law of gravity . Does it exempt them from its effect? No

So it is my friend. The people you mentioned may be using the law of karma unconsciously the reason they're getting results. Everyone one of us is doing so already.

But it helps to do it consciously so you don't think your live is controlled by luck .knowing that whatever you sow you must surely reap and don't give up midway when things are not going your way

Most successful people you see today went through many tough times before the achieved success. They never gave up. They were certain of success and they achieved it in the end.

You can get whatever you want from life. That's what the law of karma says. Know this and make changes. Nothing can stop you.

It seems you never bothered to go through the link to read those laws. Its your choice to do so or not

Have you seen anybody not obey the law of gravity?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are talking about Chain Retribution whereas this thread is about the fact and presence of Retribution.

You made a claim, I have shown you several instances where your claim doesn't hold through and the only thing you do is call it a different name. Again who did John the Baptist behead for him to lose his own head for? Who murdered Pilate for murdering Jesus? Who did Stephen murder by stoning to deserve death by stoning? Your claim clearly holds no water and you're merely generalising from some events. I doubt retribution occurs to up to 50% of perpetrators of any sort of wrong doing. Retribution cannot therefore be a natural law.

MaxInDHouse:
Reading is a hobby but people choose what to read after discovering that not all the authors are sane. Before i became one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES i was a Muslim and i strongly believe that only Islam is the truth. But when i began chatting with people of all sorts i realized that the knowledge Islam offered is incomplete so i decided to widen out.
Today i still choose what to read but if you think there's something useful than what the JWs have why not speak with me and convince me that you're smarter? In that way i'll feel challenged again to try the source of your own knowledge.
Jehovah's Witnesses taught us to speak with all kinds of people so as to be certain that we have the best of the best regarding wisdom.

So instead of asking people to read all sorts of books why not pick one, study diligently and use the knowledge you find in there? People will notice that you're really intelligent and they will try to find out the source of your intelligence.

That's what wisdom is all about not just reading all information.

Remember that information is like food and there are poisonous stuffs out there, the same is applicable to information. So it's when people see how good looking and healthy you are that they'll love to place themselves on your kind of diet. The same is applicable to information!

Lemme ask you do you know any JWs that have attended university?

Dtruthspeaker:
When you say you did not see it, then you must either be blind or you Lie. And by writing here, you prove you are not blind, so it is only Lying which remains.

Some time ago, we read the story of the boy who killed his father and his other brother killed him. (Retribution)

The other story was the one who killed mother and the community killed him. (Retribution)

Now, https://www.nairaland.com/6822869/man-electrocuted-while-vandalizing-electricity#107106508

And here is what seers have said








https://www.nairaland.com/6674437/she-caught-act-examination-malpractice#104199916

And other Seers!

This is where your claim comes in, you claim this is a natural law so how come it does hold true for all those I mentioned? Besides who did the father kill before his son killed him? Who did the mother kill before her son killed her?

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not claim, I said, WE SAW!

You saw, I didn't see which is why I am pointing out to you.

MaxInDHouse:
They're wicked people!
Instead of accepting what they find in life they want to establish their own thoughts even when they know they already have an expiring date. So due to their selfish cravings they want God to support whatever they choose to do and after calling on God for their greedy ambitions they concluded that there's no God as He never yielded to their selfish cravings.
Well let them come and delete God from the brains of those who appreciates what God has done, after all nobody is forcing God into their brains so they can't force God out of the brains of believers.
All these articles they're raising are like their weapons to attack believers but no weapon formed against the faith of true believers will work, rather they will be frustrated when they discover that true believers are a hundred times smarter than them! Isaiah 54:17

Is that why you don't read anything that is not JJW approved so that your god doesn't get deleted from your brain?

Ever8090:
I think the Bible in its nature is kind to have described those who do not believe in God as fools.
I ones battled with such foolishness in my head until I decided to use my brain, not even digging at any length to know but I myself was the proof I was looking for.
My ability to deny his existence alone is a proof of his existence.
I took a look at my body parts and their various functions, perfectly positioned, so perfectly that to even imagined it to be a random occurrence is foolishness of the highest form.

I fist of all considered the foot I stands on, it's extended front and brief back for balance,..my mouth with tooth perfectly positioned, the front ones are sharp fit for cutting while the inner ones are flat to chew and those chewing tooth are positioned close to the passage where the food will easily move into a place where materials will be extracted for the body usage then the "anus" passage if perfectly positioned to remove the waste to empty space for new food.

I looked at my eyes created for me to see with,..ears to hear, hands with fingers to handle things and my waist is another amazing design because without the waist flexibility and the joint at the kneels, it wouldn't have been possible to lay down or sit-down.

Honestly, this is the few I can metion which I believe it is enough to pull out those who still do not believe that the human body is a good designed work by a designer.

There are several creator gods why do you think your evidence applies to the Jewish creator god but not your indigenous creator god?

Hismasterpiece:
If i don't want to know it then why should i ask for it?

To prove that your god is real. Elijah didn't need a fire but he asked for one anyway to prove his god was real. So go ahead, prove your is real.

SouthMustBeFree:
Well sometimes ago during my early Christian years, I had encounter with heaven, hell and Jesus. It all happened at the judgement throne. It is a story for another day because it was terrifying, you can't see such and not believe there is God. But then of course what I have said might not be enough evidence to prove God existence to you but it is to me.

Said that, maybe I should point to you something I believe is much a proof. The things you see, the humans, the waters, the cloud with pillars, the weather etc all points to God existence. If not, then what is the force behind them? Do you think all things we see today came to existence all by themselves?

You had a dream? Anyone can dream doesn't make it real. As an atheist I dreamt of Jesus and I love that dream because Jesus showed me the way in it. Still doesn't make Jesus real.

Dtruthspeaker:
We are talking about the phenomenon of Retribution which all men have seen and not about the how evil men did evil to other people.

You claimed that murderers get murdered so did those I mentioned murder? Who murdered Pilate for murdering Jesus?

AntiChristian:
You are correct in a way that it's an update but it's special only to men of understanding as said in Qu'ran 3:90-91.

If it was written by men, then why don't your men gather and write theirs to gain followers like it?

That is what every religious holy book is so your Qur'an is not any more special than the bible or the Hindu Vedas which is much older then your religion and yet survives till this day.

Dtruthspeaker:
Right! I do believe that they are not right in the excesses (circle of rebirth things) but I believe that they do confirm Retribution. Nature's "Just Is".



And herein lies the difference in what I say, when I speak, THE QUESTION IS WHAT HAVE WE SEEN AND EXPERIENCE IN RELATION TO THIS PHENOMENON OF 'JUST IS"?

Every reasonable sensitive person has all seen that we indeed got good rewards for our good deeds and evil rewards for our evil deeds eg a philandering man always marries a philandering wife, a thief will always have his own things stolen (that is why we see them spend big on security), a cheat, will be cheated upon.

Retribution even takes place here on earth, AS WE HAVE SEEN.



And this is where the Bible Prevails for it shows us how to get "Just is" and how just is arrives. And I do confirm the Truth of this.

So others have to fuel their hopes and dreams and expectations and WISHES.



See, you almost wanted to say that evil people escape judgement but Thank God, The Truth entered into you such that you had to confess that in Truth evil people do get their evil judgement which you choose to call "bad luck"!

So case closed, you confirm the Truth of our position.

According to the Bible who did John the Baptist behead in other for him to suffer losing his own? Who did Stephen stone to death to suffer same fate? Who did James kill?

LilMissFavvy:
Daft slow*poke, yes I still stand on my argument that most atheists belong in fraternities/cults, and that picture you shared means nothing because any atheist who is interested in that organization would simply claim the needful to gain entry. You wax in immense stu*pidity, otherwise you should go to crime section and read about them, and see if such a rule exists, cultism that teens are being swallowed up by, you think anyone asks teens if they are theist before being forcefully initiated. Who told You being theist is a prerequisite? You stay in religion section arguing foolishly, instead of checking out real life events. A secondary School in the west was recently shut down because of these groups. Continue to wax in your stupidityy, as for me I have better things to do with my time, so I'm done.

I can see your stupidity is yielding compound interest. I showed you evidence by Masons themselves saying atheists cannot be presented to the Masonic lodges and you are here arguing from your shit filled arse of a mouth that I am wrong. Show the evidence and stop whining like a bitch on heat.

LilMissFavvy:
You are a complete nonen*tity and your brain definitely is deadd. So if an atheist simply says yes I am theist, I believe in God/deity, does that mean he is speaking the truth? No, he isn't theist. He simply accepts what he is not, and is thereafter exposed to whatever is in the group after joining, he is stocked, no going back., joining such a group means he has paid allegiance to whatever deity or God behind the group. Now get lost, if you are a true atheist who doesn't belong anywhere, I see no reason why my comment should be biting you.

Hope you aren't dumb enough to be ignorant on why they insist on one being theist, do I need to also spell that out

You're a stupid person. You claimed that I was wrong about fraternities not allowing atheists, now you are arguing that atheists can just fake it, aren't you stupid destroying your own argument. It seems your brain is firmly lodged up your rectum.

When are you going to close that arsehole you call a mouth and show us evidence that most atheist are in a cult.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course he followed the protocols but in his heart he wasn't one of us! 1John 2:19

Bwahahahaha! Ok I will follow the protocols too. Leave heart matter for your god. LMAO!

Hismasterpiece:
why would i want to know your address?

You don't need to want to know it.

MaxInDHouse:
You're a real clown!
GB members don't have children because they served throughout their lives as full time evangelizers and that's what qualifies them to be elected into the body!

So the guy that left the GB fulfilled that condition and became a GB member but yet you said he wasn't a JW. LMFAO!

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know that we humans see people's faces but God sees the heart, that man could have died as a member of the GB but will not see God's kingdom that's why God exposed him as not even worthy of being with us!
Judas Iscariot supposed to be a member of the first century GB but because God knew Judas is not worthy of such a position he left the group and committed suicide.
That's what is called protocol membership that totally differs from conscientious membership.
You can't be part of our group because you don't even believe in group setting. Is that not why you keep calling us a CULT?
Well the man followed all our protocols but God knows he is not one of us!

So make me a GB member first let the god be doing his own thing. LMFAO!

kingxsamz:
I think you should take your time and tell us where you got that ridiculous generalization you made about 98% of atheists being in one fraternity or the other. We await your response.

He has drank the kool aid of misinformation that conflates atheist with cultist.

MaxInDHouse:
He didn't believe in the best performing group otherwise he would have presented a better performing group to justify his leaving!

You don't believe in any group action so you can't even be in our midst!

Yet he was a member of the GB. Come and make me a GB member since nonJW can be members of your GB.

LilMissFavvy:
@ Lordreed
You are the ignoramus, a very foo*lish one at that. What does it take an atheist to say yes that he believes in a deity and he gets accepted into such group? How many people using the religious book to swear oath in the court of law, speak the truth? The picture you shared is complete nonsense because many atheists are there. How they got there is what you should go and dig out.

You're a confirmed dumbass. If an atheist has to declare he believes in a god in other to join a group is it not because the group doesn't accept atheists in the first place. This is how we know you don't reason properly. Shit for brains.

Show us evidence that most atheists are in a cult. You can't because you are just talking out of your distended arse.

MaxInDHouse:
If he doesn't speak then why are His worshipers moving towards the same line of thought?
It's the atheist mentality that's disturbing you, people do speak through people, i don't need to hear directly from Buhari when i can see his law enforcement agents acting on what he said!

And it is your lack of understanding of English that is worrying you. How can you fail to understand that I am not contending that your god supposedly speaks through people but that rather he never says anything that is accurate. I mean dictionaries exist for Andromeda's sake, if you didn't understand the meaning of the word 'definitively', all you had to do was look it up, you are on the bloody internet after all.

JideJordan:
If I remember correctly, I asked you to point me to a place where I said I was"anti-God". You have not given me an answer.

I told you not to waste your time on people trying to invalidate your experience, it's not worth it.

LilMissFavvy:
Maybe he had reasons for rejecting you, all you typed is false because atheists can belong. However, your comment has proven that as an atheist, you actually searched for power/ where to belong. Maybe you should tell us which group finally accepted you, after the two you mentioned wasn't feasible, no offense meant

Here is some evidence that masons don't accept atheists. If you have contrary evidence I would like to see it.

Your comment proves you are an ignorant numbskull who has trouble understanding English.

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever remains or can speak of the best performing group is a JW not people you're seeing. A member of the GB happens to be there because he believes in the best performing group and that's what is keeping over 8.7 millions together till today.
So any of us who stops believing in the best performing group is not a JW forget about whatever position such a person holds formerly!

So the JW GB member that left didn't believe but was elected into the GB. Maybe you guys should elect me into the GB. LMFAO!

MaxInDHouse:
You're the one deceiving yourself because the book says He always pass information to people through some people, so it means you can't hear Him but you'll ever continue to see His worshipers in action because He is controlling their movement!

Is that you don't understand English? I said your god doesn't speak definitively, I didn't say anything about speaking through people.

Workch:
same person.

I’m very sure about it.
Take your time and follow. Especially when he start losing arguments.

The style, everything and they are always almost on the same thread.

I used to have that impression but when you look at the time difference, gaps between posts and the manner of expression you'll see that it is likely not the same person but they are in close proximity to one another and share similar views probably by osmosis, likely because Dtruthspeaker is the older of the 2 and/or has more influence in the relationship, his views are much more dominant..

Hismasterpiece:
You didn't answer my question

That is the evidence I just gave you. Ask your god to tell you my address, if your god is real he would be able to tell you, if he is not real you won't know that information just by prayer to the god alone.

Workch:
Jidejordan, also avoid this moniker.

Dtruthspeaker = truespeak

I think they are brothers, relatives or close friends not the same person.

MaxInDHouse:
Excellent!

So how do you know that all the GB members are not fake JWs?

Hismasterpiece:
What evidence

You cannot ask your god to tell you something you don't know or otherwise cannot find out for yourself. If your god exists then he should be able to tell you my home address.